Monday, July 4, 2011

With Robert Schuller Kicked Off the Board,
His Church Growth Parish Bankrupt,
Will Larry Olson Repent and Become a Lutheran?

The supernatural glow comes from Enthusiasm.
Additional candidates for contrition are - Kelm, Valleskey, Bivens,
VP Huebner, Hartman, Radloff, Hagedorn, Ash, Glende, Ski, Doebler,
Patterson, Jeff Davis, Pope John the Malefactor.


Even though the Crystal Cathedral board is dominated by paid staff, those same people finally voted founder Robert Schuller out.

I doubt whether they will extend the Left Foot of Fellowship, called the Jackboot of Love in WELS. Although Schuller is down with Universalism, just like WELS, his church works hard at being relaxed about doctrinal issues. They do not kick people out for doubting that Hottentots are born forgiven of all their sin.



But the Changers have admit now that they have been following a blind guide. Schuller really founded the Church Growth Movement and McGavran at Fuller Seminary used Garden Grove (nearby) as proof of his concepts.

Garden Grove was first at dropping the denominational name, long before CrossWalk, CrossRoads, Pilgrim Community Church, and The CORE.

Garden Grove promoted anti-confessionalism so that everyone (except the Dutch Reformed) would feel at home.

Garden Grove, so close to Disneyland, made the services entertaining and light. Celebrity visitors--no matter what they believed or didn't--were featured.



Garden Grove pioneered the plagiarism of the occult. By identifying with Norman Vincent Peale, who stole his famous book from an occultist, Schuller made copy and paste originality popular, long before Paul Calvin Kelm went bald and myopic. In fact, Kelm and Valleskey and Bivens and Stadler picked up their CG ideas from Schuller and Fuller. So did Joel Gerlach.

Cornerstone (aka Church and Change) charges huge fees for fund-raising. Thanks Holy Word, Austin.



This may come as a shock to WELS and Missouri leaders, but they have followed the same downhill path as Garden Grove Community Church, training at Fuller and Willow Creek together, mouthing the same slogans. Best of all, the Syn Conference fragments have been united in getting rid of any layman or pastor who questioned their CG wisdom.

If I charged ten cents for everyone who danced on my grave, I would be buying up Schuller's debt and turning his beehive into a class mausoleum.

Schuller Originated the Occult-Based
Church Growth Movement,
But His Church Tossed Him Off the Board
From 2011

"Dad, if you are tossed, am I next?"



GARDEN GROVE – The Rev. Robert H. Schuller, who started his ministry in an Orange drive-in theater more than five decades ago, has been voted off the board of Crystal Cathedral Ministries, which has been torn apart by debt and familial disharmony for the last several years.




The church has not released information about the board meeting where Schuller, 84, was ousted, but his son Robert A. Schuller, who was himself forced out of the cathedral by his sisters and brothers-in-law three years ago, confirmed it Sunday.

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"Dad, I have a news bulletin for you at the bottom of this post."



Robert A. Schuller left the ministry in 2007 after a bitter feud within the family. He says his father, Crystal Cathedral founder Robert H. Schuller (left), being removed from the board is just one more step toward the church's demise.
FILE PHOTO, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
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He said his father wanted to enlarge the board, which was not received well by the others.
"A majority of that board consists of paid employees of the church and that's a serious conflict of interest," Robert A. Schuller said.

None of the board members or church officials could be reached for comment Sunday.
Schuller said his mother, a board member, voted against it, but was in the minority.
"It's a very sad day and unfortunately, I know how that feels," the younger Schuller said.
The church's financial travails, including a significant drop in donations and dwindling membership, culminated in its filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The church still owes about $7.5 million to unsecured creditors, many of whom are vendors for the cathedral's "Glory of Christmas" pageant. According to a reorganization plan filed by church last month, they have an offer from Irvine developer, Greenlaw Partners LLC, to buy the core buildings for $46 million.

Under the proposal, the church would have a 15-year leaseback agreement with the developer and the option to buy the properties back for $30 million in four years. In exchange the developer will be able to build hundreds of apartment units in a portion of the 30-acre campus.

In 2008, two years after he received his father's gold medallion, a symbol of the church's leadership, Robert A. Schuller quit as senior pastor and his sister, Sheila Schuller Coleman, took control of the ministry. The younger Schuller says his departure was spurred by a vote on July 9, 2008 by the board. That vote, too, shot down Robert A. Schuller's proposal to bring in new board members and end conflict of interest issues, he said.

Robert H. Schuller has been at odds with his daughters over how they have chosen to run the church. The cathedral recently switched over from a traditional worship format to a Gospel-style choir – much to the chagrin of many long-time members. Coleman also required choir members to sign a covenant acknowledging Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and the belief that marriage should be between a man and a woman.

The older Schuller publicly lashed out at the contract saying everyone is welcome in the church. Phillip Johnson, the architect who constructed the cathedral's iconic glass sanctuary, was an openly gay man.
At the time, Schuller's daughter, Carol Schuller Milner, said her father's time in a leadership role was over and that her sister, Coleman, was in control. She said her father was having a tough time relinquishing control of a church he had built from the ground up.

Dory Bauler, a member of the cathedral since 1972, said she was shocked and saddened to hear about Schuller's removal from the church board.

Bauler said she and her husband met Schuller when he came to Philadelphia in the 1960s, when he was still preaching from the drive-in theater.

"Both Bob and Arvella Schuller were so sincere," she said.

Robert A. Schuller said the issue is no longer about his father being able to relinquish control. The question, he says, is who is running the church?

"Anyone with a brain knows it takes income and expenses to get a balanced sheet," he said. "You cannot run a church by slashing and burning."

He said his mother, although still on the board, will not go to the board meetings.

"It's absolutely horrible what has happened to the church," he said. "I know that my father is disappointed, but he is detached. I have also emotionally disconnected from that place a long time ago."

He called his father's dismissal from the board "one more step in (the church's) demise."

Bauler says she believes entrusting the ministry to his children who had no experience with running a church is the mistake the older Schuller made, which led to his ministry's downfall, Bauler said.

"The children were not qualified to run it, they've abused it," she said. "We, as members, are heartbroken."

"Dad, buck up. Mom voted to keep you on the board. But I didn't. Payback is fun."

Welcome Back, Joel - I Know You Are Reading This.
Appleton Lights Up All the Time,
Not Just from Glende



WELS Garth said...
Hey everyone,

Recently I made the decision not to visit Greg Jackson's Ichabod site anymore. It's been about four months since I actively visited the site. (I had a little relapse, but it went away with a topical treatment). I can't tell you how good it's made me feel. I think that the thing that clinched it for me was the incessant blather about the UOJ "controversy." I would encourage all of you to do the same. Trust me, you will not be missing anything in your day and you will be feeling a whole lot better.
--Joel Lillo

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GJ - Glende and Cascione are doing everyone a favor, reminding people why the Synodical Conference has fallen into ruin. They are unionists who think quoting Lutheran theologians a sin. They love Calvinism without admitting it, so they filter it through their precious UOJ. But UOJ is not a controversy - that is why they keep going on about it, instead of addressing doctrinal issues.

This is my favorite part of their hypocrisy. They want the laity to stand there trembling because they actually have MDivs from their little seminaries. That is one more degree than CFW Walther earned, but not a doctorate like Luther or Chemnitz. I could name a few more from the orthodox era, but I do not want to shrink their little egos any more than I have to.

If they actually made it out of Greek 101 (with a pony and tons of turtoriing), they must be right about UOJ. So they tell their members.

Both places are really nostalgia sites.

Do you miss the physical, emotional, and sexual abuse that Stephan, Walther, Marbach, and Vehse began? Does your life seem hollow without daily doses of nastiness uninformed by study? Visit Glende's and Cascione's. They will satisfy.

Justification by Faith Earns Excommunication in WELS



Sunday, July 3, 2011

A Dichotomy of Justification

From the WELS website concerning Justification:  "We believe that God has justified all sinners, that is, he has declared them righteous for the sake of Christ. This is the central message of Scripture upon which the very existence of the church depends. It is a message relevant to people of all times and places, of all races and social levels, for "the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men" (Romans 5:18). All need forgiveness of sins before God, and Scripture proclaims that all have been justified, for "the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men" (Romans 5:18)."

How the Bible speaks of the declaration of righteousness:  Romans 4:18-24 "18 Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”[d] 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” 23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead."

Even Jesus makes a differentiation between the righteous and the unrighteous (dead in their sin sinners):  Matthew 9: 12-13 "12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Luther Rocks -- On Preus' Justification and Rome




Sunday, July 3, 2011


Wash, Rinse, Repeat...The Righteousness of Faith

There was a pastor recently who told me that like the composer who got the 'a' note stuck in his head and could hear nothing else thus stunting his composition abilities; that theology can be this way.  I suppose he is right and I know I will need to eventually let all of this go and stop hammering it repeatedly.  Justification, however is the article by which the church stands or falls.  It is the heart of the Gospel and there is a war going on for the Church's souls.

I have been reading Robert Preus' Justification and Rome.  It has been a blessing and comfort  for me.  The thrust of the book is directed at the wayward Lutherans of the ELCA who have been posturing and aligning themselves since the mid 90's for what I am sure will be a reunion with the Roman Catholic Church.  (See the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification)

The byproduct of Preus' warning to ELCA and all Lutherans for that matter was a nuts and bolts return to the study of Justification Reformation style.  There is no hint of any far out claims of being justified and forgiven before faith or birth.  His book is supported by many quotes from the texts (such as the Book of Concord) of Reformation writers such as Luther, Melancthon and Chemnitz to later faithful Lutheran fathers such as Calov, Quenstedt and Hollaz.

It is interesting to note that Preus called out Hollaz (also spelled Hollatz) as the last of of the great Lutheran dogmaticians while also labeling him a pietist since he was influenced by the prevalence of it during this era. (17th and 18th centuries)

The reformers (namely Chemnitz) defined the work of the Holy Ghost bringing someone to faith in four movements or steps.  The first being knowledge; a thinking or meditation on the promises of God concerning salvation.  Secondly assent; whereas the person (by the work of the Spirit) concludes with persuasion that the universal promises of the Gospel are meant for him and that he is included in it. (Rom. 4:23-24)  Third; that the sinner realizes his sin; that the movement of his heart and will wants and seeks forgiveness and the blessings that justification provides henceforth in the Gospel.  And lastly; Trust.  The confidence in the Grace of God offered in the Gospel.

The later Lutheran teachers with Hollaz at the forefront reduced the four movements to three excluding the third step; repentance and the remission of sins.  Why would they do this?  Because Pietism had infiltrated pure Scriptural teaching...from that old serpent of old.  It is here that the church fathers skewed and the odd doctrine of objective justification was born; that all men were already forgiven...and now you just need to believe it.

But this is not how the Bible speaks.  And since the Bible does not speak this way, neither does the Book of Concord.

From the Book of Concord; The Solid Declaration of the Formula of Concord; III The Righteousness of Faith:

" (4)...for He has redeemed, justified, and saved us from our sins as God and man, through His complete obedience; that therefore the righteousness of faith is the forgiveness of sins, reconciliation with God, and our adoption as God's children only on account of the obedience of Christ, which through faith alone (emphasis mine), out of pure grace, is imputed for righteousness to all true believers, and on account of it they are absolved from all their unrighteousness (emphasis mine)."  All are unrighteous prior to faith!

In more detail:

"9] Concerning the righteousness of faith before God we believe, teach, and confess unanimously, in accordance with the comprehensive summary of our faith and confession presented above, that poor sinful man is justified before God, that is, absolved and declared free and exempt from all his sins, and from the sentence of well-deserved condemnation, and adopted into sonship and heirship of eternal life, without any merit or worth of our own, also without any preceding, present, or any subsequent works, out of pure grace, because of the sole merit, complete obedience, bitter suffering, death, and resurrection of our Lord Christ alone, whose obedience is reckoned to us for righteousness.

10] These treasures are offered us by the Holy Ghost in the promise of the holy Gospel; and faith alone is the only means by which we lay hold upon, accept, and apply, and appropriate them to ourselves.




11] This faith is a gift of God, by which we truly learn to know Christ, our Redeemer, in the Word of the Gospel, and trust in Him, that for the sake of His obedience alone we have the forgiveness of sins by grace, are regarded as godly and righteous by God the father, and are eternally saved.

12] Therefore it is considered and understood to be the same thing when Paul says that we are justified by faith, Rom. 3:28, or that faith is counted to us for righteousness, Rom. 4:5, and when he says that we are made righteous by the obedience of One, Rom. 5:19, or that by the righteousness of One justification of faith came to all men, Rom. 5:18.


13] For faith justifies, not for this cause and reason that it is so good a work and so fair a virtue, but because it lays hold of and accepts the merit of Christ in the promise of the holy Gospel; for this must be applied and appropriated to us by faith, if we are to be justified thereby.

14] Therefore the righteousness which is imputed to faith or to the believer out of pure grace is the obedience, suffering, and resurrection of Christ, since He has made satisfaction for us to the Law, and paid for [expiated] our sins.


15] For since Christ is not man alone, but God and man in one undivided person, He was as little subject to the Law, because He is the Lord of the Law, as He had to suffer and die as far as His person is concerned. For this reason, then, His obedience, not only in suffering and dying, but also in this, that He in our stead was voluntarily made under the Law, and fulfilled it by this obedience, is imputed to us for righteousness, so that, on account of this complete obedience, which He rendered His heavenly Father for us, by doing and suffering, in living and dying, God forgives our sins, regards us as godly and righteous, and eternally saves us.


16] This righteousness is offered us by the Holy Ghost through the Gospel and in the Sacraments, and is applied, appropriated, and received through faith, whence believers have reconciliation with God, forgiveness of sins, the grace of God, sonship, and heirship of eternal life.

17] Accordingly, the word justify here means to declare righteous and free from sins, and to absolve one from eternal punishment for the sake of Christ's righteousness, which is imputed by God to faith, Phil. 3:9. For this use and understanding of this word is common in the Holy Scriptures of the Old and the New Testament. Prov. 17:15: He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord. Is. 5:23: Woe unto them which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Rom. 8:33: Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth, that is, absolves from sins and acquits."

Justification comes through FAITH ALONE!

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GJ - I understand Preus wrote his last book to counter Romanizing trends at Concordia Seminary, Ft. Wayne.

One example was inviting Father Richard John Neuhaus to the seminary (David Scaer's idea) to give his talk on "Why I Become the Roman Catholic I Always Was." How absurd, to give a Seminex leader, a former ELCA pastor, a current Roman Catholic priest the chance to recruit more people into the Church of the Antichrist. According to Jim Heiser, who was there, about half the audience of LCMS pastors nodded in agreement as Neuhaus made his points.

Self-Absolution Through Grammar

Carl Vehse was an attorney who helped Walther in the kidnapping of two children.



bruce-church (http://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Back from the Dead, Carl Vehse Defends the Felonon...":

Carl Vehse uses some of the same thinking as Rev. Glende and St. Peters church does, in that whatever happens to the victim its his fault and he brought it on himself. Thus:

o They use the passive voice "he was disfellowshipped" rather than "we disfellowshipped Techlin."

o Walther didn't violate the confessional since there was no confessional. You see, it's only a confessional if Walther decides it's a confessional, not the person doing the confessing.

o There was no riot or robbery. That's all in Stephan's head. If there was a robbery, it was Stephan doing it. So it was entirely Stephan's idea to cross the river without his possessions. In the law however, it doesn't matter what Walther and the Perry Co residents intended. An assault occurs if the victim has some reasonable basis to feel threatened, and a robbery occurs if the victim has some reasonable basis to feel threatened into parting with his goods, which Stephan surely did.
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http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2011/06/back-from-dead-carl-vehse-defends.html

Only two people were kidnapped and not as the thread describes; there was no violating of the confessional, primarily because the pastor was not really a pastor; there was no riot; and any robbery was primarily done by Martin Stephan.

Pastor and church board disfellowship someone using passive voice:
http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2011/06/jon-techlin-wrote-on-light-from-light.html