Thursday, July 12, 2018

SpenerQuest Proves the OJ and SJ of Luther by Citing F. Pieper on the Subject


 Luther? No, let's talk about our little sect instead.



Steve Schmidt (Sschmidt)
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Luther, St.L XX:925: "That blind, mad spirit does not know that meritum Christiand distributio meriti are two distinct things; so he mixes them up. Christ once for all merited and purchased for us remission of sins on the cross; but he distributes the same, wherever He is, at all hours and all places, as Luke writes, ch. 24:46 f.: 'Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer and rise from the dead the third day [there you have his merit] and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name [there you have His merit's distribution].' Therefore we say that in the Lord's Supper is forgiveness of sins, not because of the eating, or that Christ there merits or purchases remission of sins, but because of the word, whereby He distributes this purchased remission among us and says: 'This is My body, which is given for you.' Here you hear that we eat the body as given for us; and while eating it, we hear and believe this; so then forgiveness of sins is there distributed, which was purchased, however, on the Cross."
(F. Pieper, 3:375)

"In short, he who does not believe that by His substitutional satisfaction Christ accomplished the complete reconciliation of all mankind (the objective reconciliation) has lost the thing a really justifying and saving faith believes in (its object); for him, accordingly, the Christian Church is no more the congregation of believers, but an association of the supplementers of the merit of Christ."
(F. Pieper, 3:405)

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GJ - Anyone starting with F. Pieper or his brother August Pieper will end up "proving" OJ and SJ all over the place.

CFW Walther made sure his successor was a man he chose himself, and he rigged the votes accordingly. See L. Fuerbringer on the selection of F. Pieper.

Thus Jay Webber proves his case with Rambach the Pietist and Quistorp, an even more obscure Pietist.

But Luther always treated the Atonement this way. Christ is all forgiveness. But of course.

The folly of the rationalistic Pietists, then and now, is their merging of Justification by Faith with the Atonement - creating (in their tiny brains)

  1. The Justification of the World, 
  2. God absolving the sins of the World
  3. General Justification 
  4. Objective Justification, and
  5. Universal Objective Justification.
The clearest proof of their error is their refusal to post any argument in favor of Luther's Biblical and the Book of Concord confessional stance - Justification by Faith. They cannot even say the words they dread so much.


Sassy Walks, Talks, and Balks


Some people, who have no trouble with false doctrine, are pained to read posts about Sassy, the Cyber-Pet. Yet there are those who do not have a dog but love to read about our three-legged wonder-dog. This post serves two purposes, to annoy the under-worked and poorly educated (from Mordor), and to please the fans of Sassy Sue.

We walked at 6 AM today, and I used the inclement weather (only 72) to do some weed trimming. Sassy often sits in the grass, in the middle of the garden, or on the driveway to supervise. I looked around for her and saw that she bulled her way through the front door, only partially shut.

We often see Pat and her husband John. We were too early for them today. Her favorites are Ranger Bob and his brother Mike, who fuss over her. "She is so spoiled," Bob says as he feeds her treats. She greets him like a long-lost owner, even though we see him several times a week. She barks loudly, her favorite way of greeting friends.

Sassy is an effective manager. She slows down behind me to explore her favorite places. Sometimes she wants to cross the street on her own. Then we have a dog-whisper talk. I hold her head gently and speak softly. "You have to ask to cross. You know that." If she pulls away, I talk longer. Afterwards, she jumps up to lick my hand, asking to be restored and reconciled. I tell her what a great dog she is, how much everyone loves her.

Sassy uses her paws for a lot of communication:

  1. A very light tap - Reminder of a task that needs to be done.
  2. A gentle paw scrape - Time to get that done. I tell Mrs. Ichabod to wait for the next stage when I close my eyes.
  3. Three very firm paw scrapes - Her patience with me is ended, and I get her arrogant German Shepherd look. I get her regular food - her crunchies.
  4. Waving the paw in the air - that turned into our mutual joke because I found it so funny. She used her claws to make noise on an antique table, then on a metal air filter. When I laughed about it, she did it with a big grin each time, now in the air because her filter machine and table are too far away. The paw is for treats. She does it to Bob in another room, too.
  5. Tapping us for her night-time routine. Sassy taps me, then Chris, for petting and talking. We tell her how much everyone loves her and how much we enjoy her. She grins and soaks it up for five minutes, then goes to sleep at the foot of the bed.
  6. Holding down our hands. If we are doing a good job petting her, Sassy uses her paws and legs to hold us in that position.
  7. The gentle knee-scrape at dawn. Sassy thinks that when Dawn, the rosy-fingered child of Morn, appears, she should be enjoying her walk. 
  8. Sassy also pouts for attention. She sits with her back towards us and looks toward us a bit, to see if we still love her. "Want some loveys?" She barks and moves up to get some petting, tummy rubs, ear massages, and pep talks.



"Resist the Beginnings" - Lenski/Pfotenhauer

Sassy's best friend at the drive-through window suggested Frosty Paws for her. I bought the pet iced milk, saw how it was made, and switched to Great Value ice cream packets. Sassy loved it from the start and we continued to serve GV as Frosty Paws.

Sassy made it clear that it was a daily night-time ritual, so we began an evening drama with her. She shows a certain amount of discomfort and murmurs a bit. We debate what the problem might be. Finally we discover it. "Frosty Paws? Does she want Frosty Paws?"



Sassy's response varies. Last night she smacked the bed with her paw and grinned, then looked out the door so I could find where the Frosty Paws were located. Once we discussed it with company in the living room. Sassy yelped from the bedroom, yes - she wanted it now.

Every so often, the product name makes her drop her head onto the bed - she is ready for it. We can get kisses and loveys from bringing the subject up. Once discussed, she is confident I will deliver one teaspoon for her. I sing various product songs as I carry it from the kitchen. Mrs. Ichabod always serves.

Frosty Paws, Frosty Paws, Gotta Have Some Frosty Paws
Guess who's here to scoop it and deliver?
You can have your Frosty Paws, get a lot of Frosty Paws.
Have some fun and get some loveys too.
Aw-woo-woo-woo.

 Resist the beginnings? We have had nothing but fun with this.

Catastrophic Losses Facing the Church Growth Lutherans of the LCMS-WELS-ELS

 The Three Blind Guides cannot teach Luther, cannot preach what Luther risked his life to restore, and subsequently - cannot get many to fill their shrinking seminaries. 

Luther did not emphasize a visible church instutition, unlike the hollow leaders of today. He focused on the preached Word, which was his most important task.

Today's leaders feather their nests with enormous salaries and benefits, plus free world travel and extras available only to them. How much does that cost the slaves rowing the ship? - none of your business.

 Questions? Concerns? I thought not.


Their number one goal is staying in office. They line up their hatchet men to handle the executions, so they remain above the fray.

They silence any coverage of their clergy-teacher crimes. If coverage were fair, they would be charged for living like kings while they let pastors and teachers starve. But they are God's instruments too. God uses them to punish the laity and clergy who tolerate and promote false doctrine.

The proofs are available each day. Every time these Emmaus heroes open their mouths, they yap about Justification without Faith - that is, when they are not filling their mouths with steaks, desserts, and libations with exotic names. Their repudiation of Luther is not an accident. They are moving at full speed toward 100% persecution of Justification by Faith, assisted by their numbskull seminary and college faculties.

The 500th Anniversary of the Reformation was a complete success. All they did was mock Luther with trinkets and a few cheap shots. "In spite of his shortcomings, Luther..." I think that came from WELS - but they are all alike. That would be a miracle, to call someone with Chytraeus' ability - and he is the forgotten one in Luther's circle.

 Time of Grace is the media voice for WELS-LCMS-ELS, and ELCA. Look at the bedfellows - Mike and Scott - so rad, so ELCA, so 21st century Rome.


Luther exalted marriage as God's creation, and often wrote about his wife and children. One would imagine from the LCMS-WELS-ELS messaging that they only teach for the 2%, so they will end up with the 2% alone - just like ELCA.






The present situation can be described in a few words. The apostate leaders - The Three Blind Guides - have simply dropped  The Means of  from The Means of Grace. Therefore, they chatter about grace but join the generic Protestants - Calvinists mostly - in denying the The Means of Grace while talking about grace. As Luther wrote, they talk about Jesus all day while tearing down the bridge to Jesus. Oh, they may even say "Word and Sacrament" but they deny its meaning. On a good day, they may remember the Holy Spirit - how noble - but they never teach that the Spirit never without the Word, the Word never without the Spirit. That is sound doctrine. (Hoenecke)


  1. The Spirit never without the Word - God never teaches or works apart from His Word. Using man's wisdom and marketing yields poporn and soda churches - with clowns for preachers, ushers for deacons, and customers for members. The Three Blind Guides continue to support gimmicks rather than the efficacy of the Word. 
  2. The Word never without the Spirit. This is difficult but necessary in this Age of Apostasy, to trust God's Word to accomplish His will, even when it means doctrinal splits, closing congregations, and growth from the most unlikely pastors and teachers.
  3. That is sound doctrine. (Hoenecke) One cannot claim to be a Biblical Christian while denying this simple summary of the Word's efficacy and power.
 He read Luther all the time - deal with it.