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| Romans 4:24 is never mentioned by these Scripture illiterates. One OJist made it read, from his perspective - "If we believe we are already forgiven" - a honest response to a dishonest dogma. |
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| Everyone can see how Romans 5:1-2 restates the content of Romans 4, a chapter built on Genesis 15:6. Therefore, the subsequent verses in chapter 5 are also Justification by Faith. |
LutherQuest (sic)
"Hermann Sasse was one of many Lutherans who thought that Missouri's understanding of justification was erroneous. Deniers of objective justification will tirelessly point to statements such as that of Chemnitz's disciple and champion of the Book of Concord at Wittenberg, Polycarp Leyser, who stated: "Although the treasury of the expiation of sins has been obtained for them and has been offered in the Gospel, it has never been conferred upon them because of their unbelief, neither has it ever been received by them, because they lack faith, the only means to receive the forgiveness of sins."
This is an orthodox Lutheran statement. Although it is directed against Huber's doctrine of universal election, it is not in any way inconsistent with objective/subjective justification terminology. Leyser is saying, in effect:
Although reconciliation and justification (the treasury of the forgiveness of sins) has been obtained for them (through the cross and resurrection) and presented in the Gospel (the Word of God as means of grace), it has not been conferred or received by them because faith is needed to receive justification.
That's pretty much a definition of objective and subjective justification."
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GJ - No Leyser is not regurgitating an OJ that never existed until Pietism, many years later.
Here is the basis for every expression of Objective Justification, Universal Objective Justification, General Justification, and Justification of the World.
What word is in common here? - Justification, a judicial proclamation.
Every flavor of OJ is the same - God has proclaimed the entire world free of sin, absolved, regardless of faith or the Word or the Spirit at work in the Gospel.
Only a dodo would claim that universal forgiveness and salvation are the Gospel, or that an editor of the Book of Concord taught OJ.
S.S. would have us believe that Leyser was an OJ advocate who crushed Samuel Huber the crypto-Calvinist OJ advocate. They should have been pals, like Cascione and McCain and Otten and Scaer.
Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
