Saturday, May 18, 2019

Calvinist Update for LutherQuest (sic)

 Peter Leithart, PhD, seems to be a favorite of LutherQuest (sic).
Peter grew up at St. Paul Lutheran and Reformed Church, Columbus, Ohio. That was its original name - a union church Lutheran/Calvinist. St. Paul became the anchor of Church Growth in WELS/Columbus, with CG expert Floyd Luther Stolzenburg promoting Fuller's Calvinist dogma and hiding from his own past.


In a post on the First Things blog today, Peter Leithart declares the “End of Protestantism.” It’s not at all clear, however, that he understands what he wants to end. He begins with a sociological observation about contemporary English non-conformists and uses that to leverage the definition of “Protestant,” which he proceeds to use as a foil to justify his refashioning of Protestantism.

More at this link, for those who like Calvinism as much as LQ does.



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I was thinking about 1 Timothy 3:16 today and ran across this from Peter Leithart's blog:

"What is the Spirit’s role in justification—the justification of Jesus and of sinners?

"In Protestant theology, the Spirit is typically on the “subjective” side of justification. By awakening faith, the Spirit enables sinners to receive the justifying verdict of the Father who imputes the righteousness of the Son to the ungodly.

"But 1 Timothy 3:16 suggests a different role for the Spirit. Paul says that Jesus was “justified in the Spirit,” a reference to the resurrection. The Spirit’s role in justification is not to awaken a subjective disposition in Jesus. In 1 Timothy, the Spirit is the agent to accomplish justification, and He accomplishes that by being the agent of the resurrection of Jesus.

"Paul elsewhere highlights the Spirit’s role in the resurrection of Jesus. In Romans 1:1–4, Jesus is declared Son of God with power by the resurrection according to the Spirit of holiness. That links the work of the Spirit to the resurrection. Romans 8:11 speaks of the Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead, and this One gives life through the Spirit who indwells. If we are raised through the Spirit, then it seems that the Spirit is also the one who raised Jesus.

"The Spirit is the enlivening breath of the Father. As the Father formed the world through the hovering Spirit, so the Father forms a new Adam and a new world by sending the Spirit to raise the incarnate Son. If the Father raises Jesus by the Spirit, and the resurrection is also Jesus’ justification, then the Spirit is the one by whom the Father justifies Jesus, by whom the Father reverses both the verdict of guilt and the sentence of death.

"It may seem odd to attribute this sort of judicial/legal activity to the Spirit. The Spirit seems to be on the “participation” side of biblical theology, rather than the “forensic” side. But the New Testament regularly describes the Spirit’s work in forensic terms. The Spirit is paraklete, the advocate for the defense, the one who comes alongside to secure our acquittal, the one who justifies by being our advocate (John 14:16). The Spirit bears witness, a legal concept (Acts 5:32). The Spirit convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). In keeping with this portrait of the Spirit’s work, the Spirit performs a forensic act when He justifies the Son.

"The Spirit’s role is not merely on the subjective side of justification. Justification happens in the resurrection of Jesus, when the Spirit takes the side of the crucified to vindicate Him in resurrection. Justification happens in the life of an individual when the Paraklete comes alongside to be our advocate against the enemies of Sin and Death, justifying us by bringing us to new life. The Spirit doesn’t merely allow us to receive what is otherwise accomplished. He accomplishes justification."

Friday, May 17, 2019

Luther's Sermon on the Foundational Sin. John 16:5-15.
Cantate Sunday

Jesus washes the disciples' feet,  by Norma Boeckler.


CANTATE - FOURTH SUNDAY AFTER EASTER




Text: John 16:5 -15. But now I go unto him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have spoken these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth: It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I go, I will send him unto you. And he, when he is come, will convict the world in respect of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they believe not on me; of righteousness, because I go to the Father, and ye behold me no more; of judgment, because the prince of this world hath been judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, shall come, he shall guide you into all the truth; for he shall not speak from himself; but what things soever he shall hear, these shall he speak; and he shall declare unto you the things that are to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall take of mine, and shall declare it unto you. All things whatsoever the Father hath are mine; therefore said I, that he taketh of mine, and shall declare it unto you.



1. The meaning of this Gospel lesson we have also often heard elsewhere; the only trouble is, the words have not generally been understood to have the meaning of things with which we are familiar. Therefore we will explain it a little, in order that one may see that the same teaching is contained in these words, that is found in all the other Gospel lessons. It is a fine Gospel, but it also requires fine students. We will omit the first part and consider what the Lord says, that the Holy Spirit is to convict the world in respect of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment, and will see what the meaning of all this is.

2. In the first place, we see here that the world is accused of blindness and ignorance. All those who are without the Holy Spirit, however wise they may be in matters pertaining to the things of this world, are, before God, fools and blind. They do not like to hear this; and when they are told that their doings are of no account before God, it displeases them and makes them angry, because they insist that they are in possession of reason and the natural light, which God created in them. But what does this matter to us? There are the Scriptures and the Word of God plain and clear, that the Holy Spirit is to come to ‘convict the world, because it does not know what sin, righteousness and judgment are. Thus it is determined, there it stands; let be angry who will, Christ does not care.

3. It is much to be deplored that the world is convicted, not only because of its sin and want of righteousness, not being able to judge rightly, but that it does not acknowledge nor see this, to say nothing of its endeavor to alter the matter. Oh, how completely the praise of all comes to naught, who, while they endeavor to make other people pious, know not themselves what sin is! Let us take, for example, at the present day, all the schools of learning and the learned men and see whether they can tell us what that one little word “sin” is? For who has ever heard that not to believe in Christ is sin? They say, it is sin if one speaks, desires or does something against God’s will and commandment. But how does that correspond with this saying of Christ: It is sin because they do not believe on me? Therefore, they are easily convicted of the fact that they know not what sin is; and if they be ever so learned, they will not be able to explain this text.

4. In like manner, they are not able to know what “righteousness” is. For who has ever heard that a man should become pious and just because Christ ascended to heaven or goes to the Father and we see him no ,more?

There we must say, a fool has thus spoken and not a wise man. For they say, righteousness is a virtue, which teaches man what he owes others.

This is true, but the trouble is, they do not understand their own words, such blind fools they are. Therefore, one needs not be surprised that they rage so much against the Gospel and persecute the Christians. How could they do otherwise? They know no better.

5. Neither do they know what “judgment” or right is, that is, a right judgment, a correct good opinion and sense, or whatever you may call it.

For they say: Right is that which is written in books, how one is to know and distinguish things, to quiet and end quarrels. But how does Christ define it? He says: “It is right, that the world is to be judged.” Who understands such speech, and where will it go in or out, and how does it correspond with reason? Let ut see whether we can explain it so that it may be understood.

6. In the first place one must know that the Word of God does not speak only of the outward existence and appearances, but it takes hold of the heart and the depths of the soul. Accordingly it does not judge man as to his outward appearance and action, but according to the depths of his conscience. Now, everyone will experience in himself, if he wishes to acknowledge it, however pious he may be (even though he were a Carthusian or as holy as any one on earth), that in his heart he would rather do the contrary, and otherwise than what he is outwardly compelled to do.

Thus, if I were left to myself, a monk, who walks about in poverty and chastity, as they pride themselves, but were made to confess how I feel in my heart, I must say: That which I do, I would rather not do. If there were no hell and I would not feel the disgrace, I would leave my office have the misfortune, and run off. For I have no desire from the heart to do it, but am compelled thereto, and must do it in spite of hell, punishment or disgrace.

It is not possible that I should do it from choice and gladly. Such everyone who is without grace finds in his own heart. The same you will find continually in other matters. I am never from my heart kind and friendly to my enemy, for this is impossible to nature; and though I act otherwise, in my heart I think thus: If it were not for the punishment, I would have my way and not remain without revenge. Thus, I still go about before the world, and do not as I would like and feel inclined to do, for fear of punishment or disgrace. Likewise if you go through all the commandments, from the first to the last, you will find that there is no one who keeps God’s commandments from the bottom of his heart.

7. Now, against this evil God found a remedy and determined to send Christ, his Son, into this world, that he should shed his blood and die, in order to make satisfaction for sin and take it away, and that the Holy Spirit then should enter the hearts of such people, who go about with the works of the Law, being unwilling and forced to it, and make them willing, in order that without force and with joyous heart they keep God’s commandments. Otherwise there might be no means of removing the misery; for neither human reason and power, nor even an angel could rescue us from it. Thus, God has done away with the sins of all men who believe on the Christ, so that henceforth it is impossible for one to remain in sin who has this Savior, who has taken all sins upon himself and blotted them out.

8. Inasmuch as Christ has now come and commanded to preach that everything we may do, however great and beautiful it may appear, is sin, because we do nothing that is good with pleasure and willingly, and that for this reason he has stepped forward and has taken away all sin, in order that we may receive the Holy Spirit, through whom we obtain love and pleasure to do what God wants us to do, in order that we do not attempt to come before God through our own works, but through Christ and his merits, therefore it cannot be called any longer sin committed against the Law, for the Law did nothing to assist us in becoming pious, since we are not able to do anything good.

9. What sort of sin then remains upon earth? No other than that one does not receive this Savior and refuses to accept him who has taken away sin.

For if he were present, there would be no sin, since he, as I have said, brings the Holy Spirit with him, who kindles the heart and makes it willing to do good. Therefore, the world is no longer punished and condemned on account of other sins, because Christ blots them all out; only this remains sin in the New Testament, that one will not acknowledge nor receive him.

Therefore he likewise says in this Gospel: “When the Holy Spirit is come, he will convict the world in respect of sin, because they believe not on me.”

10. As if he wished to say: Had they believed on me, everything would already have been forgiven them, whatever sin they might have committed, for I know that they by nature cannot do otherwise. But because they will not receive me, neither believe that I can help them, this it is that will condemn them. Therefore, God will at the final judgment pass a sentence like this on them: Behold, thou wast in sin and couldst not free thyself from it, still I did not on this account wish to condemn thee, for I sent my only begotten Son to thee and intended to give thee a Savior, in order that he might take the sin from thee. Him thou didst not receive. Therefore, on this account alone, thou wilt be condemned, because thou hast not Christ.

11. This sentence, then, is given for the honor and glory of the high grace, which God has given us in Christ the Lord. What reason would have ever been so wise as to discover that this was done for man’s sake? Reason is not able to rise higher in its thoughts than to say: I have sinned in deeds done. I must make good by doing other deeds. I must blot out and pay for the sin, in order that I may thus obtain a gracious God. If reason comes so far, it has reached its climax. Still it is nothing but foolishness and blindness.

12. But God speaks thus: If thou wilt be rid of sin, thou must do other works wherewith to pay the price. But with all the works which thou dost, thou canst do nothing but sin, even with the works wherewith thou thinkest to reconcile me and to do penance for thy sins. How wilt thou then, thou fool, blot out sin with sin? For even in the works which thou considerest the best and which thou canst do, thou sinnest if thou dost not do them willingly and from the heart. For if thou didst not fear punishment, thou wouldst rather not do them at all. Thus thou dost no more than that thou seekest to blot out little sins by doing greater ones; or else to commit such great ones that thou mayest lay aside others.

13. Wherefore, it is ever great blindness that a man does not see what sin is, nor know what good works are, but accepts sin for good works. When the Holy Spirit comes, he convicts the people and says: The works which thou hast done, as well as those which thou art still doing, are nothing but sin; therefore, it is all in vain that thou dost attempt to make satisfaction for thy sin according to thy ability. Then they feel compelled to say: Behold, this I did not know. Then says he: For this purpose I am here, in order to tell thee this. If thou hadst known it, it would not have been necessary for me to come and make it known. What wilt thou do now in order to be helped? This thou must do: Believe on the Savior, the Lord Christ, that he has taken away thy sin. If thou believest this, he is thine and thy sins will disappear; if not, then thou wilt never get rid of sin, but wilt always fall into it deeper and deeper.

14. Thus, with this passage everything has been completely overthrown that has hitherto been preached about penance and satisfaction for sin, and all else that has been practiced and urged. For this reason there have been founded many orders and masses, and on this account we have become priests and monks and have run to and fro in order best in the world, which the world considers pious and holy, to get rid of sin. Therefore, it also follows: Whatever is that is nothing but mere sin and a damnable thing.

Thus we have considered one part of this Gospel.

15. The second thought then follows: “The Holy Spirit will convict the world in respect to righteousness, because I go to the Father,” says Christ, “and ye behold me no more.” Rigtheousness means piety and a good and honorable life before God. What is this now? It is, says Christ, “because I go to the Father.” We have often said about the resurrection of Christ that it came to pass not for his sake, but for our sakes, in order that we may apply it to ourselves as a blessing which is our own. For this reason he is risen from the dead and has ascended to heaven, that he might begin a spiritual kingdom, in which he reigns in us through righteousness and truth.

Therefore, he sits above; he does not rest and sleep, does not play with himself, but, as Paul says, Ephesians 1:22, has his work here upon the earth, governing the consciences and the souls of men with the Gospel.

16. Wherever Christ is now preached and acknowledged, there he reigns in us, from the right hand of his Father, and is himself here below in the hearts of men. There he reigns with might, power and dominion over you and all your enemies, and guards you from sin, death, devil and hell. Thus is his resurrection and ascension our comfort, life, blessing, righteousness and everything in one. This is what the Lord means when he speaks of righteousness, that the people thereby should become pious and righteous, that he ascends to heaven to the Father and we see him no more. This the world does not know, therefore the Holy Spirit must come and convict the world of it.

17. How does this come to pass? Just as we have heard. Am I to become pious, it will not be enough for me to perform outwardly good works, but I must do them from the bottom of my heart, gladly and willingly, so that I may be free from the fear of sin, death and the devil; be joyous, and with a good conscience, and all confidence stand before him and know how I stand with him. This no work, no creature can give unto me, but Christ alone, who has ascended into heaven — there, where one cannot see him, but must believe that he sits yonder and wishes to help one. Such a faith makes me acceptable unto God; Christ gives me the Holy Spirit into my heart, who makes me willing and happy in the doing of every good work.

In this manner I become righteous, and in no other; for the works themselves make me more and more unwilling, the longer I occupy myself with them.

18. But the longer one is engaged in this work, the more willing it makes one’s heart; for wherever there is such knowledge, there the Holy Spirit cannot be wanting. When he comes, he makes the heart willing, joyful and happy, so that one may be free and willingly do what is pleasing to God, with joyous courage, and suffer whatever there is to suffer, yea, and even die willingly. And in proportion as this knowledge is clear and great, in that proportion the willingness and joy will also be great. Thus the commandment of God is fulfilled and everything done that one is to do, and thus thou art righteous. Who would ever have thought that this would be righteousness and that thus it should be. This question we have hitherto often heard about and considered, and although the words here be different, yet the sense and meaning are the same.

19. In the third place, the Holy Spirit is to convict the world in respect of judgment , that is that the world does not know what right is. For who has ever heard the definition of this right to be, because the prince of this world hath been judged? The prince of the world, to be sure is the devil, which one may readily see in his government.

20. If now I have learned to know what sin is and am free from it, and have obtained righteousness, so that now I stand in a new character and life and have become another man — have now the Lord Christ and know that something else than our works is required to get rid of sin — if these have come to pass in me, it then follows that I may have a correct judgment, having learned to judge differently before God. For, according to such understanding, I know how to discuss, conclude and judge of all things in heaven and upon earth, and to pass correct judgment; and when I have passed such a judgment, I can live accordingly. This no one else can do.

21. The world, in its holiness, maintains that righteousness means to perform good works wherewith to do penance for sin and reconcile God.

This has been taught in all the schools of learning. Such teachers think it is right and well done if only they can accomplish good works. But now comes the Holy Spirit and says: Not so. You err and are mistaken. Your judgment is wrong. Therefore there must be another judgment. You should judge thus: Everything that your reason concludes, is erroneous and false, and you are a fool and a simpleton.

22. Reason may do other things; for instance, know how to judge in worldly and human matters and affairs, how to build cities and houses, how to govern well, and the like. In such matters one may easily be able to judge and decide more wisely than another. Of this, however, we do not speak here, but of judgment in the significance of what is right or wrong before God. Here the Holy Spirit concludes thus: Every judgment of reason is false and worth nothing. Everything that is born of man and is not born from above, must be rooted out and crucified, so that no one may boast of it and depend upon it. Again, whatever the world considers as wisdom, that which it votes as wisely and intelligently devised and accomplished, is foolishness before God. In short, whatever the world does, is useless and cursed, unless it proceeds from Christ, the Lord, and is of his Word and Spirit, as he teaches us. If it does not proceed from him, it is surely mere blindness and there is no good in it.

23. Therefore everything that the world considers good is debased.

Everything is evil because it does not proceed from the Word and the Spirit, but from the old Adam, who is nothing more than a blind fool and sinner. And why? Should not your wisdom and reason be foolishness and count for nothing, since the most exalted one, who has all the power and wisdom of this world in the highest degree, is condemned? For, without doubt, there is no one in the world so wise, shrewd and rational as the devil, and no one is able to make a more pious appearance. And all wisdom and holiness that do not proceed from God, as well as the most beautiful things in the world, are found in their highest degree in the devil. Since he is a prince and the ruler of the world, the wisdom and righteousness of the world must proceed from him; here he reigns with all his power. Therefore, Christ says: Since the same prince of the world is condemned, with all that he has and can do, the world is ever blind because it considers that to be good which has been condemned already, namely his wisdom and piety.

24. We must, therefore, pass a correct judgment, such as Christ passes, if we are to guard against everything that the world considers and declares precious in order that it may appear before God prudent, wise and pious. If people who have not the Word and Spirit of Christ, desire to teach and govern, everything is already condemned; for in this way one accomplishes no more than to make the old Adam stronger and to establish him in his opinion that his works, his piety and prudence are to avail before God.

Thereby one must work himself deeper and deeper into the devil’s kingdom.

25. But now, since the prince of this world and the Holy Spirit, the kingdom of Christ and the kingdom of the devil, are directly opposed to one another, and the Holy Spirit is not willing that anyone should parade his own deeds and praise himself on account of them, the holy cross must soon follow. The world will not consent to be reprimanded for its blindness. Therefore one must willingly submit and suffer persecution. If we have the right kind of faith in our hearts, we must also open our mouths and confess righteousness and make known sin. Likewise we must condemn and punish the doings of this world and make it known that everything it undertakes, is damned. For this we must be considered heretics, and must pass through the fire. They say: This is against the holy councils and the canon of the holy father, the pope. Then you are to answer: How can I help it? Here it stands — the text does not say the Holy Spirit is to convict them and say their doctrine is error, blindness and the government of the devil. This, of course, they will not endure, but would have us call them gracious noblemen. Therefore, one must here risk his neck.

26. These are the three parts we have in this Gospel lesson: Sin is unbelief; righteousness is faith; the judgment is the holy cross. Therefore give heed and learn to consider everything that is without the Spirit as nothing and as condemned, and afterwards be prepared for the holy cross that thou must suffer on account of it. Now follows in the Gospel further: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all the truth.”

27. These words ought to be understood in all their simplicity, as if the Lord were to say: “These three parts which I have now related, you cannot yet fully understand, even though I were to explain them unto you. I would have to say much about them in order to explain them more fully, to make plain how things shall be, and you still stick too deep in your coarse, carnal reason to be able to comprehend it. Therefore, I will forbear now. When the Holy Spirit comes, he will enlighten your hearts, so that you will understand it, and will call to your remembrance all things, I tell you of it now, in order that you may think about it. Thus, we give these words in their simple meaning. It is as if I conversed with some one and said: I would yet have many things to say, but they are too difficult for you. You cannot yet comprehend and grasp them.

28. But our doctors and highly learned men have made use of these words in a frivolous way and said that it was necessary to have something more than the Gospel and the Scriptures; therefore one ought also to hear what the councils and the popes decree. They endeavor to prove in this way that Christ says here: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now;” therefore, because he has not told them all things, it must follow that he told them to the councils, popes and bishops, who are now to teach them.

29. Now look at these fools, what they say. Christ says: “I have yet many things to say unto you.” What does “you” mean? To whom does he speak?

Without doubt, to the apostles. To these he says: “I have yet many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he shall guide you into all truth.” Therefore, if Christ is not to lie, his Word must have been fulfilled at the time that the Holy Spirit came. The Holy Spirit must have said everything to them and accomplished everything that the Lord here refers to, and, of course, he led them into all the truth. How, then, do we get the idea that Christ should not have said everything, but should have kept much back, which the councils were to teach and to determine? With this idea his words do not at all harmonize. Christ gives to understand that soon the Holy Spirit would tell and explain to them all things, and that afterwards the apostles should carry out everything, and through them should be made known to the world what they have learned from the Holy Spirit. But, according to the councils and popes,’ it depends on what they say, teach and command, even to the end of the world.

30. Moreover, Christ says further: “He shall guide you into all the truth.”

Here we conclude: If what the councils teach be the truth, that one is to wear the tonsure and the cap and live a life of celibacy, then the apostles never came to the truth, since none of them ever entered a cloister, nor kept any of those foolish laws. Thus, Christ must indeed have betrayed us in this, that he said the Holy Spirit should guide us into all the truth, when in reality he wished to teach how we were to become priests ‘and monks and not to eat meat on certain days, and like foolish things.

31. Without doubt it is “truth” before God when one lives an upright and sincere life. But if we now look at our ecclesiasts, pope, bishops, priests and monks, we see nothing but carnival masks, who give themselves the outward appearance of being pious, but in their hearts they are villains.

What popes, bishops, and orders have ever led us into this truth, which should spring from within — out of the heart? In everything they are concerned about the outward appearance of things, in order that they may make a display before the eyes of the people.

32. Thus they have perverted this text masterfully in order to strengthen their lies; and yet we are to call them gracious lords! To hear such things is exasperating and it should grieve our hearts that we are to suffer such great outrage — should see how shamefully the people act against the precious Word of God and that they make the Holy Spirit a liar. Should not this single passage be powerful enough against the pope and the councils, even if we had no other in the Scriptures?

33. Thirdly, Christ says: “You cannot bear them now.” Here we ask: My dear, should it have been too hard for the apostles to understand or to obey such laws as abstaining from meat, and the like? They had been accustomed in the law of Moses to observe many such outward ceremonies, and had been educated therein all their life, so that it would have been child’s play for them. Moreover, they understood this better than we do. Is it such a difficult matter — that a monk must wear a black or gray cap, the pope three crowns, a bishop a pointed hat, or the manner of dedicating churches and altars and baptizing bells — are these so difficult as to make it necessary that the Holy Spirit should come from heaven to teach such things? If it is not acting the fool enough that one jests with these noble words, then I do not know how one may be a worse fool.

34. Therefore, beware of these liars and understand the words rightly, thus:

Christ wishes to speak of the inward, actual character, not of outward jugglery. He wishes to make the heart, before the eyes of God, pious and righteous in order that it, in the first place, acknowledge its sin, and in the second place, that it acknowledge him to be the one who forgives sin and suffers himself to be sacrificed upon the cross. This is that “truth” which the apostles were not yet able to hear and understand. But those outward things make no one righteous, lead no one to the truth. They make only hypocrites and a show, by which the people are deceived.

35. Thus, we have the true meaning of this passage, from which we see how fools who seek from it to bolster up their jugglery, place themselves in opposition to it and build upon the sand. There is scarcely a passage that is more strongly opposed to them than this one. We have briefly explained this Gospel lesson in order that we may see how it teaches just that which we have always preached.

Are the Luther-Queasies Able To Read?



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"GJ - posts meme of Darth Vader, switches topic to Church Growth, calls his opponents "poopie-heads," and declares victory." There is no church growth without justification....the passive obedience, atonement and resurrection of Christ which IS our justification. How ironic to discuss "church growth." The only way the church can grow is with the justification Christ has earned for sinful mankind at the cross. And with Mr. Jackson's scheme, no one has it...without faith....and without justification no one can have faith. Sad Sad story.
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http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2019/05/here-is-exercise-for-objective.html

Here is the link, also above, for Mequon graduates.

No wonder they misrepresent the Bible and Luther - they have no reading comprehension skills at all.

Stormtrooper 2, a senior member, only repeats what the other person got wrong and then uses that misfire as a platform to explain his sadness.


  1. There is no Darth Vader meme. That is a Stormtrooper - dumb guys who cannot shoot straight - like the OJists.
  2. I challenged them to exegesis on 3 passages. They panicked and began shooting at random targets.
  3. OJ and Church Growth were heavily promoted at Ft. Wayne under Robert Preus. Both are aspects of Calvinism.
Two Stormtroopers from LQ struggled and got three out of three facts wrong.


But wait, there's  more. Stormtrooper 1 emerged from his studies to promote the teaching of Peter Leithart, a Calvinist from Columbus. "He was selected by the Association of Reformed Institutions of Higher Education to be one of the organization's 2010-2012 Lecturers.[4]"


He is a heretic within Calvinism.

So, rather than address the Scriptural issue of Justification by Faith, they act like little boys and invent stuff to mock. Too bad Lutherans can read their burlesque verbatim.

 This is a gentle reminder that many of the leaders from the past were not ignorant of the Biblical, Lutheran basics. Fuerbringer was Walther's nephew, but he emphasized constant study of Luther, Biblical study in Hebrew and Greek.

Hard To Convince the Spiritually Blind, Who Cannot Connect the Dots



LutherQueasies waved the white flag of surrender and abandoned their own thread again. They want to pick a fight about their beloved Universal Objective Justification, but all those experts on the Bible cannot muster a defense for UOJ in the ruling norm, the Scripture.

Their circumlocution for Justification by Faith is "denying UOJ." John Sparky Brenner takes the JBF evasion to a new level with "individual appropriation of forgiveness."

LCMS Pastor Steve Flo (CN writer) defines faith as "believing you are already forgiven," a frank but self-destructive explanation. Flo proved the basic error of UOJ two ways.

  • First of all, UOJ faith is not faith in Christ or faith in His atoning death, but belief in universal forgiveness without faith
  • Secondly, he was alarmed by my paraphrase of Romans 4:24, revealing - as I thought - that UOJists are so blind to the truth that they cannot see that truth, verbatim, in the Word of God.
The Scriptures are especially interesting in this respect; I have experienced that many times. That is especially true of the historic Gospel lesson for this Sunday, John 16:8ff. I will deal with that Sunday, in great detail.

Another example is the Canaanite woman - how Jesus treated her. The story, on its surface, is painful to read and study. However, once the integrated view of the Scriptures (used by Luther) is adopted, the miracle is not only beautifully clear but a great comfort to anyone in distress and asking God for help. It is one thing to have faith in the mercy of God when everything is going well, but when God seems to be silent at first and allows even more hardship piled on hardship, mockery for trusting in God (He must really hate you!). Long-suffering trust is challenged to the greatest degree. Matthew 15:22-28.

Another obvious trait of the UOJists - They are driven by a mad lust to destroy every expression of Justification by Faith. They shun and excommunicate those who teach their precious dogma, which they try in vain to portray as an improvement on the teaching of the Scriptures.

Look at Christian News - UOJ writers all: Walther, Walther, Walther, Pieper, Flo, Cascione, Montgomery, with a couple of rare exceptions for dead professors.

LutherQuest (sic) - More of the same, with Oh Jay Webber contributing links to his own website. They are confessional cowards who gather at the many shrines to Walther to toast his toxic wisdom. 

Steadfast (sic) Lutherans (sic) - This is an international and intersynodical gathering of Biblical illiterates. They stick together on behalf of their guru, Matt the Fatt, and lesser nobles.

 The senescent Steadfast editor Tim Rossow, with his familiar, erased all Justification by Faith answers to young Andy Preus, and called those faithful to the Bible "morons." Evidence of his hissy-fit was erased, of course, perhaps for revealing too much to us morons.

Thursday, May 16, 2019

Here Is an Exercise for the Objective Justification Sales Force

This is a Stormtrooper.

Update - LutherQuest (sic) actually did respond to this post -


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**Update**

GJ - posts meme of Darth Vader, switches topic to Church Growth, calls his opponents "poopie-heads," and declares victory.

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The Objective Justification Sales Force (ELCA-WELS-ELS-LCMS) wants to convince people they are legitimate. To do so, all they need to do is present a public Bible study on:

  • Genesis 15:6
  • Romans 4 (maybe include the bridge verses, Romans 5:1-2)
  • Galatians 3:6-7
They explode into "Mah daddy said this," and "Walther said that" and invoking the great names of Lutherdom, like Quistorp, a Pietist.

But we all know and commonly acknowledge that doctrine is derived from the Scriptures, not from 
  • the dogmatics books, 
  • the oh-so deep theological books, and 
  • convention resolutions.
So the Luther-Queasies throw up their cardboard defense of OJ with everything but the Scriptures.

We know their quia confessional subscription is a farce. How have these OJ disciples let Church Growth Calvinism run their sects for 50 years? Sadly, Robert Preus organized a Church Growth D.Min. program while he was selling OJ,  to bury WAM II politically - for teaching Justification by Faith. The Ft. Wayne Seminary faculty even voted for Church Growth principles (Marquart quote), so the Fort was a citadel, not to Lutheran doctrine, but to Calvinism. 

The OJists are not ashamed to call their skunk patch LutherQuest when they hate the teaching of Martin Luther. So let's see them attempt Scripture-Quest for once.

Here is a good quotation from Luther to motivate them.



How long has WELS-LCMS-ELS been involved in Calvinistic Church Growth?

This published boast says that WELS came out in the open for Church Growth in 1977! Certainly things were brewing in WELS and LCMS years before that.


Booze Bible Study - The Final Frontier?

 Victory of the Lamb, WELS.

What To Do about Justification?
Throw Another Load of Quotations on the Net.


No one on LutherQuest (sic) is capable of addressing Romans 3 - 5 on Justification by Faith. I offered a free course in Greek exegesis of Romans 1 - 5. They could have taken that in the privacy of their homes or reviewed the saved videos in their offices - in lieu of playing Tetris while talking on the phone.


 CFW Walther is their Boba-Fett. If they admit he was a false teacher, felon, and scoundrel, they must dismiss the entire Synodical Conference mythology.



In short, because they know little Latin and less Greek, they call every passage about God's universal Atonement "OJ!" Oh Jay, did you see this one?!" They are like the Shrinkers who kept discovering new Church Growth principles - "Oh. Oh. I just found another Church Growth principle!"

  "Peace through friendly fire, Lord Buchholz. Soon the Synodical Conferernce will be united behind OJ and Church Growth. Our synods will be much smaller, but also much better." Lord Buchholz, "Are you sure, Aspirant Webber?"


 Any given quotation - ignored by the OJ salescritters -destroys their case. They ignore the sub-headings in the Apology, the content of Romans, even their own Justification by Faith publications.



Wednesday, May 15, 2019

Greek Lesson Mark 3:20ff - Who Is My Mother, My Brother?




Parser - tells us the I.D. of the word

Lenski's Mark Commentary - download as a PDF



ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΡΚΟΝ 3 1550 Stephanus New Testament (TR1550)



20 και συνερχεται παλιν οχλος ωστε μη δυνασθαι αυτους μητε αρτον φαγειν
21 και ακουσαντες οι παρ αυτου εξηλθον κρατησαι αυτον, ελεγον γαρ οτι εξεστη
22 και οι γραμματεις οι απο ιεροσολυμων καταβαντες ελεγον οτι βεελζεβουλ εχει και οτι εν τω αρχοντι των δαιμονιων εκβαλλει τα δαιμονια
23 και προσκαλεσαμενος αυτους, εν παραβολαις ελεγεν αυτοις πως δυναται σατανας σαταναν εκβαλλειν
24 και εαν βασιλεια εφ εαυτην μερισθη, ου δυναται σταθηναι η βασιλεια εκεινη
25 και εαν οικια εφ εαυτην μερισθη, ου δυναται σταθηναι η οικια εκεινη
26 και ει ο σατανας ανεστη εφ εαυτον και μεμερισται, ου δυναται σταθηναι αλλα τελος εχει
27 ου δυναται ουδεις τα σκευη του ισχυρου εισελθων εις την οικιαν αυτου διαρπασαι εαν μη πρωτον τον ισχυρον δηση και τοτε την οικιαν αυτου διαρπασει
28 αμην λεγω υμιν οτι παντα αφεθησεται τα αμαρτηματα τοις υιοις των ανθρωπων, και βλασφημιαι οσας αν βλασφημησωσιν
29 ος δ αν βλασφημηση εις το πνευμα το αγιον ουκ εχει αφεσιν εις τον αιωνα αλλ ενοχος εστιν αιωνιου κρισεως
30 οτι ελεγον πνευμα ακαθαρτον εχει
31 ερχονται ουν οι αδελφοι και η μητηρ αυτου και εξω εστωτες απεστειλαν προς αυτον φωνουντες αυτον
32 και εκαθητο οχλος περι αυτον ειπον δε αυτω ιδου η μητηρ σου και οι αδελφοι σου εξω ζητουσιν σε
33 και απεκριθη αυτοις λεγων τις εστιν η μητηρ μου η οι αδελφοι μου
34 και περιβλεψαμενος κυκλω τους περι αυτον καθημενους λεγει ιδε η μητηρ μου και οι αδελφοι μου
35 ος γαρ αν ποιηση το θελημα του θεου ουτος αδελφος μου και αδελφη μου και μητηρ εστιν

The Error of Modern Missouri - Toxins for Today's Rot into OJ and Church Growth


The Quest for the Historical Robert Preus


LutherQuest (sic) always retreats from a battle about Biblical doctrine, because - like the losers at the Battle of Pea Ridge - they have no ammunition.

Thus I was forced into the desert of Lutheran blogs. But soon I found an old eructation from Andrew Preus, son of Rolf, son of Robert, son of Jacob, Governor of Minnesota and insurance magnate.

Objective Justification and Rome


Young Andrew has an STM from Concordia Ft. Wayne, and an MDiv from St. Catharines, Ontario, eh? He was already an Objective Justification expert in seminary. At one point, Paul McCain jumped in to ban links to Ichabod, mentions of Ichabod, etc. Also, anyone teaching Justification by Faith was banned from posting comments on this precious blog.

Pr. Rossow thanks for stepping in and calling a halt to the commentary being offered here by Lito Cruz, PhD, I urge similar action be taken against any and all coming on here advocating for Greg Jackson’s errors. I believe that these errors are very much a public skandalon/offense to the Body of Christ and of particular danger to the laity who will only ultimately, potentially, end up being confused and left to doubt the orthodox doctrine their pastors and others have taught them.
I also do not believe it is fair for a seminarian to have to shoulder the burden of this public false teaching and responding to it.
I would therefore respectfully urge BJS to consider banning those who are here, very intentionally, to try to spread the false doctrine of Jackson, errors that are attacks on the very heart of the Gospel.
And as for Cruz’ gracious response to you, this is by no means the case. Somebody sent me the link to Jackson’s blog site where Jackson and Cruz excoriated you and the BJS site.
Cruz said this about you: “Rossow stepping in shows he is afraid of something. He seems to be embarrassed by my question.”
So, such is the deception of this group of errorists, and they crave attention.



Bonus - McCain could not deal with his plagiarism being exposed to the world, so his blog (linked in the Steadfast comments to prove the OJ case) was erased, without a Pauline apology. "And sinks beneath the waves with watery groan, unknelled, uncoffined, and unknown." Byron, Apostrophe to the Ocean.

Confirmation bias is rampant in the OJ Lodge of Free and Accepted Blockheads.

"Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses."

Young Andrew followed the example of Jack B. Simple Cascione and argued that his grandfather actually did teach OJ, a factoid never in doubt. Andy had the lecture notes to prove grandpa really did teach OJ!

Jack Kilcrease, OJ buddy with David Scaer and Jay Webber, dominated the comments section with the typical OJ line. He definitely knows as much as Joe Krohn, who fell back into OJ after seeing its errors.
Proverbs 26:11 (KJV)As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
The Steadfastly blind all want to say that Justification and Rome is pure Objective Justification, but many were alarmed at the publication - seeing that Robert departed OJdom and expressed that rejection in various ways.

Andy posed in this photo with his wife and his baby  - who was born forgiven, according the essay loved by Grandpa Robert Preus.

Notice that no one - from baby-faced Andy the Seminarian to ELCA online professor Jack Kilcrease - put up a Scriptural defense of OJ.

I cannot teach these people, who hatefully attack Lutherans I know, believers not even on the Steadfast blog. If a few got a comment in, they were called morons and erased.

So I will let the Holy Spirit soften their hardened hearts and open their blinded eyes.






Tuesday, May 14, 2019

Additional Moronic Statements from the Objective Justification Swamp

Romans 4:24 is never mentioned by these Scripture illiterates. One OJist made it read, from his perspective - "If we believe we are already forgiven" - a honest response to a dishonest dogma.


Everyone can see how Romans 5:1-2 restates the content of Romans 4, a chapter built on Genesis 15:6. Therefore, the subsequent verses in chapter 5 are also Justification by Faith.

LutherQuest (sic)
"Hermann Sasse was one of many Lutherans who thought that Missouri's understanding of justification was erroneous. Deniers of objective justification will tirelessly point to statements such as that of Chemnitz's disciple and champion of the Book of Concord at Wittenberg, Polycarp Leyser, who stated: 

"Although the treasury of the expiation of sins has been obtained for them and has been offered in the Gospel, it has never been conferred upon them because of their unbelief, neither has it ever been received by them, because they lack faith, the only means to receive the forgiveness of sins." 

This is an orthodox Lutheran statement. Although it is directed against Huber's doctrine of universal election, it is not in any way inconsistent with objective/subjective justification terminology. Leyser is saying, in effect: 

Although reconciliation and justification (the treasury of the forgiveness of sins) has been obtained for them (through the cross and resurrection) and presented in the Gospel (the Word of God as means of grace), it has not been conferred or received by them because faith is needed to receive justification. 

That's pretty much a definition of objective and subjective justification."


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GJ - 

GJ - No Leyser is not regurgitating an OJ that never existed until Pietism, many years later.

Here is the basis for every expression of Objective Justification, Universal Objective Justification, General Justification, and Justification of the World.

What word is in common here? - Justification, a judicial proclamation.

Every flavor of OJ is the same - God has proclaimed the entire world free of sin, absolved, regardless of faith or the Word or the Spirit at work in the Gospel.

Only a dodo would claim that universal forgiveness and salvation are the Gospel, or that an editor of the Book of Concord taught OJ.

S.S. would have us believe that Leyser was an OJ advocate who crushed Samuel Huber the crypto-Calvinist OJ advocate. They should have been pals, like Cascione and McCain and Otten and Scaer. 




Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.