Tuesday, October 28, 2008

Joe Krohn--Laveen Veteran, Rock and Roll Church Member--Converts with His Love



Weaned on a lemon, Joe's teeth are on edge.


Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Beyond Belief - Is Anyone Literate at Church and C...":

Greg,

I finally got to read your ‘brief’ bio. I should have read it before ever posting. It was a revelation.

I was correct in assuming that you harbor ill feelings toward WELS. I can’t say I blame you. Everyone who has ever been a serious worker in the church has their ‘war stories’. There was a good one in the Bible between Peter and Paul. The difference between them and you however is striking. How we deal with things in life is 1 percent what happens to us and 99 percent how we deal with it. That translates to ATTITUDE.

[GJ - Membership at Rock and Roll has endowed Joe Krohn with mystical, mind-reading powers. He even can discern motivation.]

This blog shows that you have a bad attitude about WELS. It shows that whatever happened, you have not moved on and shown forgiveness. You continue to spew hatred, slander, half truths and a toxicity that is un-Lutheran and un-Christian.

[GJ - Show us the way to a higher truth, a greater love, Joe.]

Whether you want to admit it or not, CTR and CrossWalk are Confessional Lutheran Churches. No where (sic) in the Bible does it say we have to have “Lutheran” in our name. We Baptize and we partake of Lord’s Supper the same way WELS always has and they are NOT ordinances like you are inferring about us. Our style of worship is a little different. There is no prescription in the Bible about style of worship. We still offer the forgiveness of sins; absolution; say the creeds and Lord’s Prayer every Sunday. How we choose to promote it is none of your business. You relinquished your right to complain about us when you quit WELS. (This is like not voting in an election and then complaining who got in to office.)

[GJ - This Fuddle-mentalist argument is not surprising from the Southern Babtist Central District of WELS. Published false doctrine can be publicly reproved and should be publicly admonished. Check the Large Catechism, 8th Commandment. WELS cannot claim to be Lutheran while promoting Church and Change Babtist conferences.]

How is it that you apply your dose of judgment on us because a few people attended a conference (for educational purposes) where there were speakers who were not of our faith and yet it was OK for you to attend and support (direct or indirect tuitions) a liberal ‘Lutheran’ college (for educational purposes); attend and support (direct or indirect tuitions) a divinity school that is part of a bigger school that is supported by global elitists and an agenda that answers to Rome (for educational purposes); attend and support (direct or indirect tuitions) Notre Dame; a Roman Catholic institution (for educational purposes); and now works for a non-denominational Christian institution that promotes the very doctrine that you accuse us of following. You say you are conservative, but somewhere along the line (maybe all the RC indoctrination) I think you got it mixed up with legalism. I would like to know how you ever got into a Lutheran parish in the first place with that kind of education.

[GJ - I would like to see the conferences and associations of Pastor Matt posted on his website. They used to be on his Church From Scratch website. And why does he hide his WELS education and ordination? Ashamed of the Sausage Factory?]

It is extreme attitudes such as yours that have stunted the growth of true Lutheranism.

[GJ - The Church Shrinkage Movement has had a negative effect on its own numbers, which are supposedly the measure of its worth. Spare us, Joe, from your true Lutheranism. As Schmauck said, the farther people get away from the Confessions, the more they claim they are the true Lutherans, as you just did.]

You sir, need to come down from your ivory tower and remove that Ponderosa Pine that grows up along The Rim that is stuck in your eye.

[GJ - I feel the warm glow of love from Rock and Roll Church, Joe. I only hope you are an usher, so your friendliness, wit, and compassion can make the Word effective. That is what your gurus in the Babtist church claim.]

Sincerely Yours,
Joe [Krohn, former CrossWalk Laveen member, current Rock and Roll Church member]

Hate going to church? Rock and Roll understands.

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Anonymous Supports Joe the Rocker

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Joe Krohn--Laveen Veteran, Rock and Roll Church Me...":

How telling that the Reverend Jackson (in my best Rush Limbaugh voice) failed to even come close to answering Joe's question about his affiliations. The Reverend Jackson (in my best Rush Limbaugh voice) refused to deny those affiliations because then he would be proven a hypocrite, as he himself says that an official denial proves that whatever is being denied is true. So the Reverend Jackson (in my best Rush Limbaugh voice) decided it best to gloss over the issue. And you say the WELS/LCMS/ELCA/ELS cover things up?

[GJ - It's all there in the bio, which is frequently read. For some reason, people who cannot spell or use good English are deeply offended by degrees from accredited schools.]

How telling that the Reverend Jackson (in my best Rush Limbaugh voice) failed to directly respond to the points Joe made. Instead, the Reverend Jackson (in my best Rush Limbaugh voice) continued his baseless bashing of Joe, Christ the Rock, Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, and WELS. The Reverend Jackson (in my best Rush Limbaugh voice) is no different than a politician who evades a question or point of debate because he knows he's wrong, but is too proud to admit it.

I nominate Joe to be considered the "Joe 'the' Plumber" of this putrid blog.

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GJ - I wonder if Joe is seconding Joe. It's hard to tell without a name. Lutherans without a confession often post without a name. I found out Joe's last name only by accident. What scares them?

At least they have Lutheran materials to read here, something entirely lacking at Church and Change, Rock and Roll Church, and their synod-within-a-synod.