Margaret Sanger, KKK, and Thrivent Sing from the Same Page of the Hymnal

This is most likely a fake, but it illustrates the fact of Sanger being invited to speak to the KKK. And she did speak to an appreciative audience.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Margaret Sanger, KKK, and Thrivent Sing from the S...":

A local WELS church had a "Let The Children Come" drive a few years ago. The pressure to use donation methods that capitalized on Thrivent's matching funds was enormous. They should have named the drive, "Let The Children Who We Haven't Killed With Our Donations Come"

That's just Planned Parenthood. Thrivent is using WELS money to support abortions for clergy in the ELCA and mass murder through Lutheran World Relief - a United Nations supporting organization.

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Looking for Vernon Harley Papers

DK has left a new comment on your post ""We Condemn You for Your Numbers, Now Judge Us for...":

Anon 8:03

Hi, good point. Sad but true. If only we could beat the C&Cers with spell-check. I'm sadly convinced that the WELS is doomed without fearless action: That is NOT to say that the many conservative Confessional pastors and churches in the WELS are doomed.

We are going to have to rely on the rural WELS segment to step up and Just Say No to Enthusiasm.

Professor: In your footnotes for chapter five of TSW, you mention some essays by a Pastor Vernon Harley that are well written and worth reading, but I can't find them anywhere. I'd like to have some LCMS writing to present to my my pastor in our discussion of UOJ. (It helps if I can give in-synod sources) Would it be too much trouble to post these, maybe in your required reading section?

Also, I was wondering if you had any further thought on the Maier essay that I brought up.

thanks for your work,

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GJ - I had the hard-copies for a long time. Eventually I lost track of them due to lack of interest in the UOJ topic among Lutherans in general. That started changing two years ago.

PM - if you are reading this, send me new copies. I will have to locate them again.
Secondly, they have to be rendered into MS Word so I can post them. But I will get that done.

DK keeps me busy, folks.

It is not our job to judge success, only to apply the Word, regardless of the unwritten rules of the game. I was told that I startled people in WELS by walking up to them and challenging them face-to-face. I did not adhere to their memorized talking point excuses, such as:
"Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater." (I replied - "I don't wash babies in sewage.")

Of course, they demand that everyone tell them their error in private, but that is only so the false teachers can get even through whispering campaigns, meddling in another's divine call, etc. But that is not enough for them either. They will denounce someone in public, as long as they can get away with it. And they often do.

We should tremble at His Word, not at the feet of synod officials.

"We Condemn You for Your Numbers, Now Judge Us for Ours"

Is coffee a Means of Grace? Should women lead worship?
Ask Randy Hunter, WELS, a fave of FIC.

After 30+ years of Church Growth in WELS, Missouri, and the ELS, shouldn't we start turning the tables on the Shrinkers?

I am not sure who tickled Ron Roth into Church Growth, or who recruited Valleskey and Bivens into studying at Fuller Cemetery, where Christian doctrine dies. I do know that Kent Hunter and Waldo Werning were the chief salesmen of Church Growth in WELS during the 1980s. Floyd Luther Stolzenburg was trained by Hunter before he graciously pretended to be a WELS expert (without joining WELS).

Hunter and Werning were praised by Valleskey in his Church Growth notes. The canceled Wisconsin Lutheran College program was going to feature Hunter and Werning.

I have read their books. It takes a strong man to read their works without bursting into laughter. Weakling that I am, I hooted until tears rolled from my eyes and blurred my vision. I did not have Church Growth eyes.

Hunter (DMin, Fuller) and Werning (Fuller alumnus) both emphasize that people need to get out their graph paper and look at the congregation's numbers. If the numbers are down, they are doing something wrong.

So let's apply that to the fruit of their labors, for which they charge a pretty penny indeed. Their numbers are down across the land. They have wrecked Missouri and WELS, with the ELS trying to catch up with their influence.

The CORE - Let's get out the graph paper and Excel software for The CORE. Big numbers (money blown) and small results. The CORE is a hobby for the Shrinkers of Fox Valley, Wisconsin.

Rock And Roll in Round Rock, Texas - After all that money spent, Rock And Roll has one web page (a map), recently dismissed rocker/entertainers, and perhaps 30 in attendance.

CrossWalk in Phoenix - still not a member of WELS. Have they had a service of Holy Communion yet? Believe it or not, the spineless clergy of that district were recently discussing CrossWalk's lack of communion services. The next version of CG will have people not mentioning God for fear of offending the unchurched.

If Jeff Gunn has been so blessed by his Emerging Church Growth principles, why is looking for another job?

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post ""We Condemn You for Your Numbers, Now Judge Us for...":

The evil coalition in WELS is much bigger than anyone suspects. How many have been trained and sent forth since David Valleskey started slavering about the Fuller rot? They are almost everywhere in the synod.

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GJ - The clergy had two opportunities to oppose Valleskey's doctrine, before he unloaded in his hideous book. When he gave his Figs From Thistles paper at the Ohio Conference, the 20+ pastors could have condemned him. The four of us who critiqued his doctrine were driven out of WELS.

The next chance came when Valleskey published his deceitful, dishonest paper in the Quarterly. Of course, the toothless faculty could have condemned it. That would have been a surprise. The clergy as a whole could have pilloried it. Dead silence. I published a review of the paper and the ELS(!) had a hissy fit over my review, not over Valleskey's false doctrine. Orvick endorsed Valleskey with a paper given to the ELS pastors, who rolled over and played dead. So pardon me if a wry smile crosses my face when the ELS pastors talk about being Confessional.

"The evil that men do lives after them." Shakespeare

Grace and the Enthusiasts

Absolved without the Means,

Absolved without the Means,

What a glorious feeling,

Enthusiastic genes!

DK has left a new comment on your post "Garland of Roses - From WELS CG Supporter":

Hi Professor!
Maybe this is the wrong place to ask this but... I was reading the Art. IV in 'Apology' this afternoon and was struck how 'initial grace' sounds so much like what UOJers claim.

"In order not to by-pass Christ altogether, our opponents require a knowledge of the history about Christ and claim that he merited for us a certain disposition or, as they call it, "initial grace", which they understand as a disposition inclining us to love God more easily. It is clear, however, what they ascribe to this disposition, for they imagine that the acts of the will before the disposition and those after it are of the same type. They imagine that the will can love God, but that this disposition stimulates it to do so more freely."
Apology of the Augsburg Confession, Tappert p 109, paragraph 17, Augsburg Press.

I know it's not a direct parallel to UOJ but I would be curious to know what you think of this--and if you can shed any light on the history behind this comment. It seems applicable to the UOJ discussion in some way.

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GJ - Reading the Apology now? That is a good sign. I would love to see the UOJ Stormtroopers explain their pet theory from the Apology.

All Enthusiasts have this in common - they draw their insights apart from the Word of God. They depend on human wisdom, human tradition, dreams and visions. The doctrine of Purgatory is drawn from Plato, the Apocrypha (which does not support it anyway), and various dreams people had.

The Apology was written to defend the Diet of Augsburg's Confession, 1530, so it was directed at Roman Catholics. Luther's Galatians Commentary is very good in dealing with all the Roman Catholic arguments about grace.

Rome taught then and still teaches that God gives people grace to accept grace. This merited disposition is very complicated to unravel and explain. In short, it is grace before the Means of Grace.

You have hit upon an important similarity with Universal Objective Justification. The Pietist Knapp and his followers (Walther, Pieper, J. P. Meyer, Papenfuss) agree that the entire world has received grace before and apart from the Means of Grace. Everyone is absolved. Everyone in Hell is a guilt-free saint.

UOJ Stormtroopers cannot make sense of their theory, because they still use the old Lutheran categories after emptying them of any meaning. Everyone is absolved, but everyone is a sinner. All people in the world are "justified," but they need to believe they are already justified. Confession means learning they were already forgiven, before they confessed their sin. UOJ reminds me of the hash the junior high cafeteria used to serve us. No one knew what was in the hash, and no one could tell. We all agreed it was unpalatable, as UOJ is.

Exodus Film

Someone sent me this clip. Has anyone seen the film? Comments?

I have no problems with the historical details of the Bible, unlike my brethren and cistern at Fuller Seminary.

The Genesis Flood and the Exodus did take place, so I expect to see evidence. However, I do not need proof to know that God's Word is inerrant, infallible, and...efficacious.

Their Guru McGavran - Planned Parenthood Promoter

I put together a panoply of witnesses to apostasy. McGavran's picture is the black and white, bearded, on the left. The rest are all faves of WELS Church and Changers.

Donald McGavran, Understanding Church Growth
"The other good and urgent things to do, far from contradicting this thesis, reinforce it. The many tasks that lie at hand should be done - there can be no two opinions about that. Preaching good sermons, teaching illiterates to read, working at planned parenthood or the world's food supply, administering churches skillfully, applying Christianity to all of life, using mass media, and hundreds of other activities are not sinful. They are good. Some are urgent." Page 32

Here is the link.

The original Shrinkers were quite taken with Planned Parenthood. They named one of their early training films "Planned Parenthood for Churches." They did for Protestantism what Planned Parenthood did for the family.

McGavran was a minister of the far Left Disciples of Christ. He was more conservative than their wackiest people (Jim Jones of Jonestown, a Marxist) but he was not uncomfortable with mainline apostasy. He worked with the National Council of Churches and World Council of Churches.

He developed his ideas at an obscure school but really had his greatest impact when he moved to Fuller Seminary, after they repudiated inerrancy under the influence of the founder's son, who studied under the Marxist Karl Barth in Switzerland. (See Karl Barth and Radical Politics, by Hunsinger)

McGavran was no theologian. His PhD was in sociology and his methods were statistical.

Garland of Roses - From WELS CG Supporter

I have been watching Feedjit at the bottom of my blog. I plugged it in long ago, when someone said no one was reading Ichabod, that I was writing my own comments!

Funny, whenever I get a really nasty anonymous comment, often using the word "ass," someone is on from Garland, Texas.

Sunday, this person wrote anonymously, "All the pastors I know agree you are an ass." And Garland Texas showed up on the blog map at the same time as the comment arrived. That suggested the individual was a WELS pastor, fond of Church and Change. Nothing spawned a really vile comment faster than my scholarly observations about the Chicaneries.

Sunday I Googled Garland WELS and found a congregation there - Divine Peace. It is only three hours away from Holy Word in Austin.

The WELS pastor is John Hering, whose 1989 class at the Sausage Factory was saturated with Church Growth. Hering was in world missions, which meant the Shrinkers approved his doctrine. He is now chair of evangelism in his district, more proof of Shrinker certification. His web page talks about being blessed by numbers.

"Truly the Lord has blessed Divine Peace where there are now 181 souls and 143 communicants. Come and grow with us during these exciting times."

Look at this church history, which includes most of the Shrinkers in WELS, including Kelm and Bivens. Dom Perignon Patterson came from this congregation and Hering served it.

"In the meantime, 16 more gentlemen over the next two years would receive the divine call to serve as Senior Pastor: Forrest Bivens-June 1991, Dennis Kliest-August 1991, Greg Otterstatter-September 1991, Mark Wessel-November 1991, Curtis Franzmann-December 1991, Pastor Pope-January 1992, Paul Kelm-February 1992, Alan Eckert-April 1992, Peter Kruschel-May 1992, Alan Schroeter-August 1992, Larry Zahn-September 1992, Samuel Clemons, October 1992, James Pope-December 1992, Vilas Glaeske-February 1993, Ted Lambert-April 1993, Paul Janke April 1993. Finally, in spring of 1993, Calvary decided to extend the Senior Pastor position to Pastor Vieths and to call again a Seminary candidate to serve as the Associate Pastor."


"1992 was also another busy year for sons of the congregation active in ministry. Donald Patterson, son of Calvary members Bill and Jerry Patterson, received his first call into the ministry to Holy Word Lutheran Church in Austin Texas, while Scott Bertram, son of members David and Nita Bertram was called to serve as evangelist at Risen Savior Lutheran Church in Austin, Texas."


"Already in late 1998, things began to return to normal for Calvary’s leadership. Pastor John Hering, missionary to Japan, accepted the call to serve Divine Peace and arrived in November of 1998. In early 1999, Pastor William Gabb accepted the call to serve Atonement Lutheran Church. However, after many months of assisting other congregations, the Lord of the Church decided it was time for Calvary’s staff to reconsider its work at Calvary. In the spring of the year, all the Calvary staff who were also recognized as 'heads of household' received calls to serve elsewhere."

Monday - sent to Ichabod:

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS Church and Change Hilarity Continues":

"Adam Mueller (son of Wayne) will turn your church around for you. CG has had 30 years to build up WELS, but has 30 years of shrinkage to show for it. Phone Adam collect. His websty link is Gunn's sect in Laveen (Phoenix), Arizona. Joe Krohn graduated from CrossWalk, Laveen, upgrading his status to RockMeister at The Church From Scratch in Round Rock, Texas. RockBlogger quit his blog and heard the gong on the Gong Show.

Jeff Gunn will build your church from Scratch. That is what people fear - Old Scratch in charge of another CG money pit. If Gunn knows so much about this, why did he look for a job at Wisconsin Lutheran College (Brigadoon WELS)? A better topic would be "How A Failing Non-WELS Congregation Can Take Over a College Board of Directors." Jeff is too modest."

You mix just enough truth with the lies. You're like your own analogy of mercury and gold. You are a fool and an ass. God has withdrawn His spirit from you just as He did from Israel. How appropriate the title of this blog.

Someone started a fake Ichabod blog and quit it, twice. Joe Krohn and Tim Felt-Needs were mirthful that I implied they wrote the fake Ichabod blog. They promoted it and got on as followers. I suspected a third person. Krohn lives not so far from Garland, so he may be buddies with Hering. I know he is friends with Patterson. Krohn graduated from the Jeff Gunn's CrossWalk (faux-WELS) Entertainment Center in Phoenix. Krohn and Felt-Needs never had that know-it-all scorn that infects the graduates of GA at Mequon, so I did not really think they wrote the fake blog.

Last night (Monday) I posted comments intended to provoke more from Garland. I was not disappointed. Here are comments from Tuesday (December 1, 2009):

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "More Puerile Behavior":

What a crybaby. GJ, you really show your colors in a post like this. Put your big boy "Independant Lutheran" depends on. Do you really expect any kind of semblance on this blog?

"They are superb at destroying relationships."

There's some irony for you. Once again you have gone out of your to behave as an ass.

And also on Tuesday:

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Foundation Grant Allows For Needed Installation":

Now you see why I call you an ass. Don't you hurt yourself when you stoop this low? You cancel out what wisdom might be mixed in with the lies.

I cannot prove Hering is writing those comments anonymously, but there is a clear pattern of similar remarks being sent from Garland. Perhaps Pastor Hering would like to disavow anything coming from his location. I might believe the disclaimer if it came on church letterhead.

At least Dom Perignon Patterson signs his emails. I kelmed his message to me, from Gmail:

Donald Patterson kududon@gmail.com to bethanylutheranworship@gmail.com date Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM subject don't be a fool mailed-by gmail.com

hide details 12/10/08

Hey,  Greg,

I am not a part of Church and Change Leadership.  I went to one conference a few years ago and had my own reservations.  Also, Robert Timmerman does not serve as a church council pres at our church.  You are lying on your blog.

Don

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GJ - Timmerman was the council president. Does that make me a liar? Patterson was at the Church and Change conference last month! He is not part of their leadership?

He has his own reservations? Sure - he made reservations at the hotel. Patterson will make a fine Doctrinal Pussycat or Synodical Pope. He is more deliberately ambiguous than DP Robert Mueller was.

More Puerile Behavior

The Shrinkers do identify theft too.


WELS Church Lady wrote me to say she did not send the comment posted about Mary Lou College's Gaydar dish.

She suspected a college student. As people know from the front page editorial in WLC's The Thword, the students at both schools tend to be weepy and whiny, easily hurt and offended. They really need your support and affirmations, so mail them some Miley Cyrus and Adam Lambert videos to watch, to boost their spirits.

I question that they have really forgiven their opponents, as they claim, because gracious losers would not feel compelled to take on another person's identity on a blog. Deceit is so subtly taught at those two colleges. WLC even tried to hire Gunn as a second chaplain, to provide even more contemptuous worship when the students are not interested in it anyway. Gunn pretends to be Lutheran, one more deception from the Chicaneries. WELS pretends to discipline Gunn. "What a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."

Someone posted on Bailing Water, using my name. I do not mind anonymous comments at all. Many people do need to protect their identities, knowing what the Chicaneries are like. However, stealing someone's identify is really low.

The Church and Change leaders excel at only one thing, and that is not Lutheran ministry. They are superb at destroying relationships. They will do anything to keep their opponents from reaching critical mass and tossing them out. WELS would be better off losing 1/3 of the pastors and most of the teachers. The entire school system could be sold to Missouri, Fuller, or ELCA. It is nothing more than a feeder system for Fuller, Willow Creek, Granger, Northpoint, Life Church, Mars Hill, and Leonard Sweet.com.

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TR has left a new comment on your post "More Puerile Behavior":

Greg,

As a WELS member, I have some issues with your comments. I will not stand and defend everything that MLC students do - they are students and sinners. However, their choice of college does not change their sinful Adams overnight. Are they held to a higher standard? Yes. Should they be?

You will find, if you looked, that the majority of students at the school are strong Christian leaders. They are doing their best to prepare themselves for the public ministry.

The problem, of course, is that there are some students who give a bad name to the others. You could categorize them by the sports they play, the high schools the attended, or even by their family name. Those students would be doing many of the same things at any other school. Would you use the statement of "the students at both schools tend to be weepy and whiny, easily hurt and offended" to say that all students at the University of Phoenix or the University of Notre Dame are also weepy and whiny - because of the actions of a few?

Your post on the "gaydar" is going too far. If you have ever spoken to President Mark Zarling, you would recognize a man who is a stalwart Lutheran, who has a genuine love of education, and who is actively working towards change at all levels of the school. His door is always open to talk with students about any problem they face. His door was open when the men who put the video online wanted to talk about what they should do.

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GJ - A stalwart Lutheran would not allow his school to be used as a backdrop for "Luther" flinging the Scriptures away to do battle with the Sprinter. A stalwart Lutheran would have the video removed from You Tube.

The excuses for "Party in the MLC" were so flimsy that they deserved the gaydar graphic. I asked one Lutheran if anyone could possibly miss the gaity of the original, "Party in the Fire Island Pines." He said, "Impossible." Needless to say, the MLC version was far worse in every respect, but the actors have "forgiven" those who objected. Tis funny how that forgiveness was expressed in a rather nasty, self-indulgent front page editorial in The Thword (WLC), which was weepy and whiny.

I do not blame all of MLC or all of WLC for the idiotic behavior of a few athletes. I do blame the student bodies for jumping on the bandwagon to defend the video by attacking anyone offended. Readership doubled overnight when I posted the video the first time. College students could not wait to post examples of their blind loyalty to friends, poor education in Lutheran doctrine.

I know there are good students and professors at both schools, but both schools are turning out classic mainline apostates nevertheless.

MLC's need to run their own Church and Change day (disguised as Missions Day) was another example of flinging poo in the face of WELS, especially with Paul Calvin Kelm as the elderly exemplar of apostasy - keynote speaker, no less.

The Religious Left and Thrivent Love Abortion

Here is one article on the religious Left supporting abortion.

As Brett Meyer pointed out, Thrivent gives matching money (from your policies) to Planned Parenthood, a major provider of abortions across America.

http://www.cogforlife.org/ppsupporters.htm

Thrivent gave first place to an essay from a Lutheran child who wrote that his retarded brother should have been aborted.

Nevertheless, Thrivent continues to be untouchable in Lutheran circles. When they were separate, AAL and LB used to compete to see who could give ELCA the most money. Both parts of Thrivent gave lavishly to ELCA-LCMS-WELS projects, joint evangelism and joint worship programs. Those were heady, frothy days under Mischke and Gurgle.

Here is another connection, although I cannot verify it at the moment. McGavran suggested congregations work with Planned Parenthood. McGavran, as most know, founded the Church Growth Movement. His incredibly dull book became the "Bible" for CG, and yet that "Bible" suggested jumping on the Planned Parenthood bandwagon.

Margaret Sanger, the Planned Parenthood pioneer, spoke before the KKK because they liked her ideas about getting rid of Black babies. Jesse Jackson used to be pro-life, because he was the illegitimate child of the next-door neighbor. Jesse changed his tune when he ran for president. One LCA pastor of a Black church said, "We may have more abortions than the average, but my members still know it is wrong." Thrivent does not know that much.

Margaret Sanger archives.

I served several churches that did not engage in Lutheran insurance commercialism to support their budget. They thought AAL and LB were tacky for demanding worship bulletin recognition for every pittance handed over. We survived without it.

PS - Not money, but the love of money is the root of all evil. KJV 1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.