Wednesday, June 9, 2010

Norman Teigen on the LCMS-ELS


Martin Chemnitz agreed with B. Teigen, but Jack Preus was the biographer of the Second Martin.



Norman Teigen has left a new comment on your post "Preus-Otten-McCain-Barry":


Thank you for re-distributing this link. I think that the report is probably pretty accurate.

I was glad to see that the Preus-ELS connection was mentioned. There is no doubt that the ELS suspension of fellowship with Missouri in 1955 was engineered by the Preus brothers. The Preus brothers were brighter than any of the others in the ELS.

It was painful to my father and my uncle that the Preus brothers did what they did and then went to Missouri. It was opportunism at every turn.

The Jim Adams account of Preus and the ELS should be considered as completely reliable.

Of course, my father and my uncle were supportive of Jack Preus and his internal Missouri battles.

My uncle passed away in 1970. My father and Robert were reasonably close to the end.

Jack rejected my Dad's analysis of Chemnitz. Jack torpedoed the idea that CPH would publish his book. I think that it might be fairly safely put forth that Jack was in the tradition of Missouri receptionism when he passed away.

CPH in recent years would have published my Dad's book (I think that this is true) but we survivors decided to make the book freely available through LOGIA.

Robert Preus, the record will show, was responsive to my father's work on the Chemnitz question. Robert got beyond receptionism.

Robert was described by Bohlmann as a church politician. Who wasn't? I have always felt that the treatment of Robert Preus by the Missouri Synod was one of the saddest things to have occurred in that era.

Now, the Preus family continues to be prolific. Some might suggest that the Preus family gene pool has gone into decline. Old Governor Jake and then Jack and Robert were pretty strong guys.

I don't know the family but some think that the family isn't as bright as it had been in earlier times. These assessments are based on 'Luther Quest' posts.

Thanks again, for this post. I hope that the discussion of who owns the history of the church continues.

Norman Teigen
ELS layman

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GJ - Receptionism is derived from Enthusiasm. To say, "We do not know when it is the Body and Blood of Christ" is an admission of Biblical apostasy and studied ignorance.

'Tis funny that the UOJ Enthusiasts know exactly when the entire unbelieving world was forgiven, at the death of Christ, or at His resurrection. Come to think of it, they have not figured that out. Continuing my thought, they think they know the Moment of Absolution, but they do not know the Word consecrates.

No wonder Lutherdom has fallen into such disarray.

People howl about how unfair it is that I discuss doctrinal issues out in the open, as if that is harmful. But they have no trouble ruining the careers of people through their covert actions, their shameful behavior, and their words hidden away.

I tried to explain to another high school alumnus that WELS pushed me out of the ministry for telling the truth while the same officials supported an abusive ex-pastor getting back into the ministry. WELS and the ELS worked together on that. But according to Gaylin Schmeling,* it "hurts the face of the church" to keep abusive clergy out of the ministry by addressing the Biblical issues.

That is why no one will hear WELS or the ELS admit that Holy Mother Synod has ever made a mistake, published false doctrine, moved around adulterous pastors, or promoted false teachers to positions of greater authority.

*Sem prez, The Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie, richly endowed by Marvin Schwan, who left his wife and married the wife of one of his subordinates, ending two marriages. There is no absolution more certain than one paved with gold, eh?



Lutheran Books Selling


I haven't heard from Church and Money Changers.


I listed the Lutheran books, so people can write at

gregjackson1948@qwest.net.

When I get done with the Lutheran books, I will list my fabulous collection of history and literature.

I have a lot of English and Medieval history. Literature includes classics from all over, from Chaucer to Dorothy Parker, some great novels and short stories.