April of 2009

Class of 1989, The Sausage Factory

Original Post

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Fifty WELS Pastors Still Think Highly of Luther":

Is it acceptable to leave a post with the name anonymous if you are simply embarrassed to be reading this web page? I feel the tone of this page is similar to the feeling of juicy gossip; "It feels good to talk about people and pretend to be able to read their hearts and know their faith from across the internet."

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GJ - It is appropriate for WELS apostates to communicate their sanctimonious concern anonymously. In fact, most of their work is done through making snide and slanderous remarks behind the backs of their fellow-pastors, their very own classmates: "brain-damaged, senile," etc.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Sanctimonious Comment Department":

Memo
From:Gregory (The Pot) Jackson
To: WELS Pastors (The Kettle)

Message: I can't believe how black you are.

I remember when you were a colloquy "student" at WLS in 1988/1989. You walked around like you were God's gift to WELS. Have you found a church body that is small enough for your intolerence, yet big enough for your ego?

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GJ - Typical Sausage Factory stuff. I wonder why people are not lining up four-abreast to join this group.

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Eltothe Izzeye Eleltothe Izzo has left a new comment on your post "Sanctimonious Comments Department":

O.K. I've identified myself. You can easily figure out who I am if you have a WELS Yearbook and a basic knowledge of hip hop nomenclature.

First, to define a term: Tolerate -- Put up with something even if you don't like it (I tolerate smokers in public places, but I don't like the smell of their smoke).

What would I tolerate? (I can't force anyone else to tolerate these things, but I tolerate them.) I tolerate Lutheran ministers who worship in a contemporary style. I actually prefer a blended style of worship, but I tolerate contemporary style.

What don't I tolerate? I don't tolerate false teaching of any kind. I don't tolerate the watering down of true teaching of any kind. However, I don't see WELS pastors who use contemporary styles of worshp as necessarily compromising doctrine. If I saw evidence of this happening. I would speak out against it.

It seems like so many who post here (and I've only been visiting since yesterday and won't be back after Sunday) find pastors using contemporary styles in worship and then start looking for false doctrine. Every variance in wording is seen as heresy when there just plain isn't any heresy there.

O.K. I've said my piece and I won't be posting again because I find this a monumental waste of time and energy when there are souls beyond our care who are dying and we are doing nothing but arguing about style.

Oh, and there's this: "The future is yours. At least until the moon darkens, the sun no longer gives it's light, the trumpets sound and Christ returns to judge the quick and the dead. Not much of a future but it's yours while the prince of this world feeds his church with the carrion of false doctrine." That sounds more like Spurgeon or some other "Babtist" than it sounds like the writings of a Lutheran.

Eltothe Izzeye Eleltothe Izzo's audience

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Jeru the Damaja has left a new comment on your post "Sanctimonious Comments Department":

In case anyone cares at this point, the person posting above is Pastor Joel Lillo of Trinity (Appleton, WI).

Since he won't be posting again, I figured his sole post should be cited.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "April of 2009":

Attributed to Pastor Lillo, Oh, and there's this: "The future is yours. At least until the moon darkens, the sun no longer gives it's light, the trumpets sound and Christ returns to judge the quick and the dead. Not much of a future but it's yours while the prince of this world feeds his church with the carrion of false doctrine." That sounds more like Spurgeon or some other "Babtist" than it sounds like the writings of a Lutheran.

Since he's quoting my statement I thought I provide the Scripture to show it's not what Pastor Lillo thought it sounded like:

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

I still stand by that statement. More than can be said for most of the apostates who dare to write down their confessions.

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GJ - Tis funny how Lillo is always dropping one last stinkbomb before parting, his absolutely last post ever. His last blog ever (several times ago, too).

How Times Have Changed - 1998

What is this woman saying? Post a comment.

District Convention News, 1998

Northern Wisconsin

Joel Lillo

World missions: We heard from Richard Russow from Albania and Pieter Reid from Indonesia. Both had been forced to leave their work because of civil unrest. These missionaries remind us that the work of carrying God's Word to the world can be dangerous, but rewarding.

Merger: By a near unanimous vote, the delegates approved the merger of the Northern Wisconsin District Institutional Ministries with the institutional ministries of Madison Institutional Ministries, Inc. and Wisconsin Lutheran Institutional Ministry, Inc.

Called worker shortage: Delegates were urged to communicate more actively the need for young men and women to prepare for the privilege of full-time work in the public ministry.

Convention paper: Wayne Mueller, administrator of the Board for Parish Services, presented "What Do We Mean, Jesus Is the Lord of the Church?"

Too Evil To Pass Up

The Church is Immaculate and Indefectible

April 22nd, 2010

After each campaign of attacks against her, the Church always emerges stronger and more splendorous than before

Msgr. João Scognamiglio Clá Dias, EP

The barrage of reports which, in recent weeks, has attempted to stain the Catholic Church, using the abuses of children committed by a portion of Catholic priests as a pretext, has reached an inconceivable climax.

Bent on fanning the flames, various agencies of social communication have delved into the past, in search of new allegations involving the Vicar of Christ on Earth, Pope Benedict XVI, in which, however, they have roundly failed.

That there are disordered and unworthy priests, no one can deny; that horrible abuses have been committed, and certainly even in a number greater than recorded, must be acknowledged.

But to use the very grave, yet isolated offences (sic) of a minority of clerics to tarnish priests at large, is an injustice. And to employ this as a guise to attempt to overthrow the Church is diabolical.

However, the more the Church is infiltrated by the libertarian, relativistic and neo-pagan spirit of our age, the more it may be feared that crimes of paedophilia will occur. From this stems the need to implant a rigorous selection system in seminaries, so that only those who do not have a propensity to conspire with the world, but who want to teach the practice of Catholic doctrine in all its purity and to serve as an example may be admitted as candidates to the priesthood.

The present publicity campaign against the Church undermines a truth of which history provides an unequivocal testimony: it was the Catholic Church that freed the world from immorality, and it is because the world is rejecting the Church that it has once again sunk into the mire from which it was rescued.

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GJ - Brushing aside his ill-chosen words, I have to point out some of the biggest errors in this infallibly written post.

1. Rome has never recovered its splendor. The Reformation gored the beast of the papacy, and the monster remains mortally wounded.
2. The Church of Rome has been notorious in its scandals, which lately have been world-wide for the last few decades, but under-reported.
3. Before and after the Reformation, the popes have often been known for their disgusting behavior, greed, and corruption. "Borgia pope" is considered the gold standard of immorality and corruption.
4. The papacy has always had a problem with homosexuality. Luther said the people worshiped the cardinals as gods if they were satisfied with a woman.
5. Very few of the priests have been pedophiles, interested in pre-adolescent children. Most of them have been homosexuals and a minority of them have been involved in heterosexual scandals. See #4.
6. This prelate repeats ELS Sem Prez Gaylin Schmeling's warning that dealing with scandals "hurts the face of the church." That is why the scandals will continue. Luther said - When bad is good and good is bad, nothing can be done.

Problems with Infallibility and Holy Mother Church - Indefectibility

This is the best version of the Book of Concord.

Long ago and far away, a pope resisted the first attempts to impose infallibility on his office. The reason was - crafty clergy wanted to bind him to the previous decision of another pope. He refused infallibility.

Later, the misnamed Pope Pius IX took on the mantle of infallibility and even tried to cure people miraculously.

WELS, Missouri, and the Little Sect on the Prairie are in a bind they created for themselves. They have adopted an attitude of infallibility.

Furthermore, they have sided with the Enthusiasts in several major areas of thought.

One is Universal Objective Justification, which came from Halle Pietist George C. Knapp.

The other is another natural consequence of Enthusiasm - the Church Growth Movement.

Mequonites, Betha-knees, and Missiourians think they can tame the Calvinism of CGM, but they cannot even grasp what Calvinism is. They prove that every time they open their yaps.

They confuse inside-the-sem talking points with actual doctrinal studies. Their talking points always conclude, "And that is why we are the greatest, the best, and the purest. And we always have been, too."

They prove their belief in their own infallibility because, like Rome, they point to their man-made church body as the assurance of salvation. They do not trust the Gospel in the Means of Grace for a nano-second. When two different denominations have to use Satanic billboards and Satanic sex education to get people's attention, they have already surrendered to the basest form of marketing. What's next - a picture with an arm around Katy Perry or a Playmate?

Calvinism is Enthusiasm, and Pietism is re-warmed Calvinism.

The Church of Rome also teaches it is immaculate and indefectible. You will catch the irony if you read the first few paragraphs.

The Church of Rome never errs, thanks to the Holy Spirit, but the Scriptures are rather vague and difficult to follow.

Does that sound familiar? It is WELS doctrine. The Wisconsin Sect cannot err, but there are many g-r-e-y areas of Scripture (stretch out grey for the genu-wine WELS affect). Because the Scriptures are so grey, WELS pastors need to interpret them for the lowly laity. And, because the Scriptures are so grey, WELS can change doctrine as often as the Florida coast changes oil.

Not one WELS leader has admitted the doctrinal errors taught the last decades (not to mention UOJ). Ditto Missouri and the ELS.

Every so often, some Shrinker wakes up from the Night Before and posts a comment, asking, "And do you think you are perfect? Have you ever made a mistake?"

All I contribute is an effort to point people to the efficacious Word, the best theologians, and the Confessions.

The satire and polemics are extras I throw in for entertainment. Chemnitz has hilarious asides in Examination, but the Shrinkers would never know that.

I do not have to insist I am perfect, because I prefer the perfect, clear, effective Word to the bedlam of Enthusiastic rah-rah.

The laity express Christian doctrine far better than the MDivs and DMins, because the members do not have to remember contradictory talking points from seminary. When the laity have questions, their abusive clergy yell, "I am the expert. Do not question me!"

I do not know why Lutheran pastors are joining Rome. Lutherans are already more popish than the pope. Lutheran cover-ups of scandals have been far more effective than Rome's too. Why leave a winning team?

Luther Rocks

Joe Krohn (LutherRocks).

Extra Nos:

LutherRocks said...

Lito,

You make a great testimony regarding this that is hard to argue against.

Before I ran across Ichabod almost two years ago I never heard of UOJ. As I have studied this it doesn't serve scripture well by interchanging justification with atonement. And the more UOJ is defended, the more discombobulated it gets and I don't believe this is good for the body of Christ. (For example the WELS pastor Buchholz' paper) The Gospel is simple as Jesus meant it to be; so simple a child like faith is saving faith. Now if you understand when a proponent of UOJ speaks of UOJ he means the atonement I can live with that as long as that's what he means; although it is not prudent use of the English language. To me, and it always has been, Christ died for the sins of the world and makes it possible for salvation but this is only received through faith; hence cometh justification, righteousness and sanctification. I cringe when I read point #1 under Justification in 'This We Believe' in the WELS.

"1. We believe that God has justified all sinners, that is, he has declared them righteous for the sake of Christ. This is the central message of Scripture upon which the very existence of the church depends. It is a message relevant to people of all times and places, of all races and social levels, for "the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men" (Romans 5:18). All need forgiveness of sins before God, and Scripture proclaims that all have been justified, for "the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men" (Romans 5:18).

To me what is said contradicts scripture as the passage says at the end of the point...yes it is one act of righteousness and it is justification but it says it brings life; it makes it available; it does not justify before faith. It has become my opinion that the way WELS uses Romans 5 it is taking it out of context. In the very first verse of Romans 5 Paul says therefore since we have been justified by faith so it is already in context. He is talking to believers already. I think it would go far to throw out this term 'UOJ' and do some re-writes.

Now does all this UOJ contribute towards CGM? I don't know. I suppose that is fodder for another blog post. I do know that we constantly fight against our sinful flesh and the enthusiasm that we can partake in our own salvation and that of others. This is most certainly not true.

Peace,
Joe

8:17 AM

Pietism Rollbacks

I have noticed that the people escaping ELCA are looking for an older version of the same denomination, perhaps going back to the LCA of 1987 or the ALC version a little earlier.

Here is a hoot for everyone. Some come-outters want to send their future pastors to ELCA seminaries, even though they are leaving ELCA.

One of the earlier groups, during the Terror (1987 merger), voted on sending the candidates to Fuller Seminary!

The come-outters will have women's ordination, it seems, an ideal place for Herman Otten's sister, Marie Meyer to preach.

The American Lutheran church bodies all came from Pietism - Missouri, WELS, ELS, LCA, ALC, and earlier versions.

If they do not reject and repudiate Pietism, they will always go return to the Universalism and apostasy that Pietism breeds.

Rollback Pietism means the "No gay pastors" rule, at least "No out of the closet gays" quickly becomes Neo-Pietism. The Lavender Mafia Neo-Pietists condemn anyone who resists ordaining a man/woman after a sex change operation. The Neo-Pietists are just as sanctimonious as the Pietists - they just change the orientation of the Law.

The success of the Church Shrinkage Movement in WELS/Missouri/ELS has come from its affinity to Holy Mother Synod. The Pietists of the Syn Conference recognized themselves in the Pietistic law of Fuller and Willow Creek:
1. God wants His church to grow.
2. We must have cell groups to grow.
3. Anyone who questions this is a reprobate sinner, a lazy miserable cad who deserves to be kicked out.

Have the Syn Conference leaders had a problem with Fuller? No, not at all. They look down their noses at ELCA, for public consumption, but gallop over to joint projects, joint ministry, joint evangelism, and joint worship with ELCA. Pietism loves Pietists. ELCA is Pietism, Class of 2010. WELS is Pietism, Class of 1850.

What Must Be Repudiated?
To avoid the Slough of Pietism, Lutherans must denounce and repudiate Enthusiasm, its crafts and assaults, its temptations and pitfalls.

Enthusiasm separates the work of the Holy Spirit from the Word. The essence of Pietism is the cell group, the lay-led Bible study, prayer, care, koinonia, or affinity group. Lie down with Pietists, get up with Enthusiasm.

Why Does a Real Education Burn Up the WELS Shrinkers?

The University of Notre Dame

Yale University's Sterling Library

I was wondering why the Shrinkers rage against my education. I remembered several episodes, which are typical of WELS pastors. The laity should know that the seminary does have any academic requirements or final tests. In 1987 they did not issue grades, but apparently kept secret grades. The reason, they explained, was that anyone could graduate in the old days.

When people dared to question the feminist creed in the dreadful WELS hymnal, the defense was, "I am an expert in Greek, and this is what the Greek means." Since few laity have ever studied Greek, that was the equivalent of - "Do you dare arouse the wrath of the Great and Terrible Oz?"

Few WELS pastors are more than adequate in Greek, although it is commendable that they are expected to know more than the average seminary dolt in America. The actual reason for the feminist creeds in the WELS hymnal is the passion of James Tiefel for apostasy. The creeds were adopted from a unionistic, Left-wing commission full of non-Lutheran mainliners of questionable doctrine and sexual orientation. WELS did not have to - WELS wanted to, itched to, panted and slavered to adopt the feminist language. The pastors fell in line because they are expected to do so. They are afraid of sticking out, even if the WELS heresiarch Ted Hartwig was the guy who defended the feminist creeds to the hoi polloi.

Back to the subject - WELS expertise and other laughable claims. Some WELS pastors are genuine scholars in various topics. If you want to find them, get a piece of string and start out at the far end, as far as possible from the headquarters, where the liberals are densest. I hesitate to blacken any reputations by saying something good about a pastor and naming him. I know they are out there.

Most WELS pastors are not expected to know much beyond WELS canonical law, which includes their claim of superb education. I mentioned one episode, above, which I witnessed, my jaw slack in horror at the arrogance and stupidity of the pastor. Browbeating does not prove expertise.

One of the WELS Shrinkers recently yelled at a lawyer, "I have eight years of higher education in theology," or words to that effect. I do not have a videotape, and if I did, the Appleton Dumpling Gang Circuit would say it was Photoshopped.

A lawyer has a superior education, compared to a WELS pastor, because a lawyer is in school just as long and must pass the bar exam. Moreover, a lawyer worth his salt has studied argumentation and logic. The use of rhetoric is directly related to our Western heritage of democracy, literature, and law. One cannot separate those academic fields very easily because they go back to the golden age of Athens, about 2400 years ago.

Many WELS pastors list seminary as "graduate school" on their web biographies. Really? Try to teach at a university on an unaccredited MDiv (Mequon) or even with one from an accredited institution. When Sparky Brenner tried to earn a PhD at a state university, they were so impressed with his education that they made him take a remedial year first.

There are more reasons why WELS pastors go nuts over talk about a real theological education. The Shrinker leaders have DMins from a hodge-podge of Schwaermer schools: Larry Olson, Fuller!; Paul Calvin Kelm, Our Lady of Sorrows; Steve Witte, Gordon Conwell; John Parlow, Denver; Rich Krause, Ohio Consortium of Dying Liberal Theological Schools - mentor Larry Olson, DMin.

The DMins call themselves "Dr." and refer to their degrees as doctorates. A DMin consists of a few courses and a paper, so no one considers it a doctorate. The degree name was made up to earn money for seminaries in promoting continuing education. It was a successful marketing ploy.

I was fortunate to study under a number of world-famous theologians and Biblical scholars, in addition to studies at Ft. Wayne and Mequon. I also attended many theological events, where I heard such Protestant leaders as Billy Graham, Paul Y. Cho, D. James Kennedy, Pat Robertson, and Jack Hayford. The fact remains - I have a unique perspective on the American religious scene, one a bit broader and deeper than going to a WELS parochial school, enduring years of hazing, and graduating with a degree in Reformed theology from Mequon.

Most of my work at Notre Dame was in comparative dogmatics. I just checked - Church and Change still cannot spell comparative correctly. We studied the differences between the main Christian confessions, which led to Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant.

I have noticed that opposition from Shrinkers consists of anonymous snarkiness and unsupported accusations. That is why their arguments crumble so quickly. If they had to argue their case in court without evidence, a judge would gavel them into silence. No wonder they love to post and blog anonymousely.

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wildcard (http://wildcard.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Why Does a Real Education Burn Up the WELS Shrinke...":

Education threatens to expose them as fakes, phonies, and frauds.

Studying at Mequon.
The student who did this is a Changer in the ELS now.

Layman Endorses Time of Grace, But Maybe Not

John has left a new comment on your post "Another Baby Step for a Man, One Giant Leap for Mi...":


The CPH website says this: "Pastor Mark Jeske brings the Word of God to viewers through his outreach media ministry Time of Grace."

One cannot argue, at all with that statement.

Time of Grace is truly "his" ministry, as evidenced by the fact that he fails/refuses to inform viewers/listeners on how to learn more from their local WELS/ELS congregation/pastor. They are directed only to him and Time of Grace.

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John has left a new comment on your post "Another Baby Step for a Man, One Giant Leap for Mi...":

I'll stick with my TREASURY OF DAILY PRAYER, and PORTALS OF PRAYER for my personal/family devotions, thank you.

Thy Strong Word Is in Production

By Norma Boeckler

My editor is cheerfully getting Thy Strong Word ready for Lulu.

Mentor Kujath used to say at NPH. No, he shouted, "Everyone needs an editor. I don't care who you are!"

He was right.

This will bump the other waiting books into the Lulu website, too: Liberalism and Jesus Priceless Treasure.

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Garrett has left a new comment on your post "Thy Strong Word Is in Production":

I would love to see UOJ discussed on Intrepid Lutherans. Yet I've seen some of the opposite of Brett Meyer.

Fact: There is a lot of fingers-in-ears syndrome concerning justification in WELS: some refuse to call it UOJ, some demand it be called UOJ, and some have never heard it called "universal objective".

But among each of those three groups there are pastors/teachers that teach the false doctrine, and there are pastors/teachers that teach the truth.

It was little surprise to see the poll on Intrepid Lutherans reveal concern over a "deeply divided" synod.


...and before I forget: Huzzah! for the coming of Thy Strong Word to Lulu.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Thy Strong Word Is in Production":

UOJ is still all the rage and will continue to be so until Christ returns.

It would be interesting to see if Intrepid Lutherans care to address the doctrine of UOJ on their (W)ELS blog site. It would be a worthwhile effort while the book is in progress. UOJ is (W)ELS' central doctrine and the very foundation of their religion. So far there may be disunity in regards to the teaching of the pure Word and rightly administering the Sacraments but there is full and complete unity around the false gospel of UOJ.

The Two Funniest Comments Ever Posted on Ichabod

ONE

Unsigned, from Anonymouse:

"You are a gutless coward."

Everyone laughed at him.

TWO

This just in:

bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Another Baby Step for a Man, One Giant Leap for Mi...":

Relax. Jeske's just going to the CPH bookstore to tell them why they should leave the LCMS to join the WELS.

Another Baby Step for a Man, One Giant Leap for Missouri

Jeske denies basic Biblical doctrine in the video on this page.

Christian Television Host and Author to Appear in St. Louis-Based Bookstore

Meet the Author: Pastor Mark Jeske for a Time of Grace in the Concordia Publishing House Bookstore on June 25

06.23.2010 – St. Louis, MO—Work, laundry, dishes, and children often leave little to no time for devotions. Many find themselves wondering how they’ve gone so long without personal time with Jesus. To help, Concordia Publishing House has released Time of Grace by Pastor Mark Jeske.

Time of Grace is filled with “Bible studies for busy people” in the hope that these short meditations will soothe the soul, give encouragement, and provide hope for tomorrow. The dominant theme of each devotion is grace—the amazing promise of Scripture that God chooses to love unlovely people.

This new resource makes it easy to start or end the day right with devotions that are relevant, timely, and applicable. Note lines are provided for the reader to write thoughts and reflect on what was read.

Friday, June 25th, enjoy a thought-provoking devotional and a book signing with Pastor Mark Jeske. The event takes place at 2:00 pm in the Concordia Publishing House bookstore (3558 S. Jefferson Ave. St. Louis, MO 63118). Take an afternoon break and start your weekend off right with God’s Word.

Pastor Mark Jeske has served as the senior pastor at St. Marcus Lutheran Church, in Milwaukee since 1980. He has written a Bible commentary (General Epistles, People’s Bible Commentary) and more than a dozen daily devotional booklets. Pastor Jeske is also an accomplished instrumentalist, historian, teacher, cultural enthusiast and media outreach leader.

Time of Grace is also a 30-minute Bible study that delivers straight answers about the concerns of daily life, based on the Gospel. Watch Time of Grace on KDNL ABC Channel 30, Sundays at 7:30 am CST.

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Mark shows how Schwaermerisch he is, a real Enthusiast.
Just as he avoids the odious word Lutheran,
he also avoids the Means of Grace,
and hints at Pietism's UOJ.
"Jesus is what makes the Gospel happen." - Pastor Mark Jeske.
"Error loves ambiguity."- Professor Charles P. Krauth.

The Syn Conference Is Too Gutless To Say This about Fuller Seminary

Something is terribly wrong with this photo.
Can you see it?
Conservative Lutherans cannot see what is wrong
with Church Growth and its eructations.

Evangelicalism Now Reaping What It Has Sown

Published June 23rd, 2010 by Ken Silva in American "Christianity",
Contemplative Spirituality, Emergence Christianity, Emerging Church, False Brethren, False Prophets

I remember a few years ago a brother pastor rightly pointing out that evangelicalism never really renounced its humanism, which is why the horrid Church Growth Movement vomited out of Fuller Theological Cesspool Seminary could take root.

Now in this new article I explain how contemplative spirituality, which is but a romanticized version of Roman Catholic mysticism, was used by the wolves in the Emerging Church to now capture the mainstream of nearly spiritually comatose evangelcialism.

Sadly, this contemplative fad going on within pretending to be Protestant evanjellyfish is a spiritual version of snake handling.

It takes a closer look to reveal the ugliness.
Just like Church Growth.
Am I being abrasive? Am I being undiplomatic?
All I did was turn the warped photo upside down,
for a closer look.
Some call this research.
Maybe a haiku.

Can the Babtists Say This about Holy Baptism?

Stop quoting Luther.
Quote Leonard Sweet.

Living with Luther

"There is no greater comfort on earth than baptism. For it is through baptism that we come under the judgment of grace and mercy, which does not condemn our sins but drives them out by many trials.

"For this reason no one should be terrified if he feels evil lust or love, nor should he despair even if he falls. Rather he should remember his baptism, and comfort himself joyfully with the fact that God has there pledged Himself to slay his sin for him and not to count it a cause for condemnation, if only he does not say Yes to sin or remain in it. Moreover these wild thoughts and appetites, and even a fall into sin, should not be regarded as an occasion for despair. Regard them rather as an admonition from God that we should call upon God's mercy and exercise ourselves in striving against sin, that we should even welcome death in order that we may be rid of sin."

(The Holy and Blessed Sacrament of Baptism, 1519, Luther's Works, Vol.35, page 34,35)

Posted by Rev. Fr. Spencer at 7:28 AM

Kelmed from The Gadfly

It Could Get This Bad: Rap Motion at Southern Babtist Convention

Why does this ham switch to Black lingo for his rap motion?

A Black comic said this, some years ago. "You white people want to dress like us, walk like us, talk like us, dance like us, and rap like us. Everybody wants to be Black until the police arrive."

WELS Contrition Reeks of UOJ: Appleton Blogger, Gay Video Stars, Al Just, Ed Werner, Fred Adrian, Etc.

Add a few jabs to every heart-felt apology,
just to show the brethren you never meant it.
They will appreciate what you really meant. Wink.

For those outside the Wisconsin cult - "brethren" means fellow pastors.

The Appleton WELS pastor--who started and stopped his anonymous blog in one day--is another good example of WELS contrition.

I am glad he has not erased his posts on vomit and toilets. Notice his typical WELSian eye-pokes, where he blames me for his own miserable posts. Yes, I held a gun to his head and forced him to reveal the blackness of his vindictive soul. The problem with that scenario is - I do not know who he is.

UOJ teaches them they are already forgiven. That gives WELS pastors leverage in alcoholism and adultery. Sig Becker was appalled at their behavior when he joined, even though he backed the Kokomo Statements himself.

Here is the formula for a WELS apology, which is nothing like a real apology:
1. Express sorrow and make a long face.
2. Deceitfully explain it was all an accident or someone else's fault.
3. Blame someone if at all possible and express forgiveness for that dastardly individual for causing the sin.

The MLC gay video stars used the same formula, because WELS trains for conformity.
A. They did not know they were copying a gay video!
B. They blamed me, although I made it clear I posted it for a disgusted WELS layman.
C. They were taking it down on their own. (They posted it on Facebook and put it back on YouTube.)
D. They were willing to forgive me for objecting to their video sodomy.

WELS teacher Al Just blamed his dead wife for turning over and over on a steak knife in bed. No one ever said WELS guys were good liars. Bad lies are OK in WELS - they just do not survive a court trial. The president of DMLC helped defend Just, but the jury found Al guilty. Because Al never confessed in public, many WELS workers still claim he was innocent. They all have the status of guilt-free saints, so that makes sense...if someone is permanently three sheets to the wind.

When DP Ed Werner was arrested, it was because a confirmation girl mouthed off to him and he slapped her. DP Free's son told me that whopper and added, "At least I hope that is the reason."

DP John Seifert put Fred Adrian back into a divine call, imitating the doctrinal and moral discipline of DP Robert Mueller - less than zero. (Check with Deputy Doug Englebrecht for additional tips, such as pretending to meet with clergy and laity but sending a letter instead.)

One WELS member wrote about the drama queen blog from Appleton:

Unbelievable. They all end (all, being probably the same guy) with some sort of claim like "having their conscience pricked because they're acting like Jackson," and with a confession of some sort of pious enlightenment allowing them to rise above the sin of others by quitting their endeavor. The fact is, they are not motivated by love -- love for God, for God's word, and concern for the souls of men -- but from bitterness. Perhaps their consciences rightly are pricked as a result. They don't know what righteous indignation is, since their weak theology won't permit them to be indignant over error. Good riddance.

The Appleton WELS pastors all know who their drama queen blogger is. He posts from a Mac OS X, and I am sure he brags about who he is.

Joe Krohn and Tim Felt-needs knew who he was, long ago. I called him Anonymouse because he was frightened about using his own name and always sent extremely nasty posts. I figure he has an addiction problem because many comments in the past have been completely jumbled up. Anonymouse used to rage when I posted his worst comments with all the corrections noted.

The drama queen blogger chose to use the Anonymouse name I gave him at the beginning, often using mouse graphics for fun.

Various readers noticed how venomous he was when I criticized Church and Change, but especially when I wrote posts about Appleton.

Here are old Anonymouse comments:

It is amazing for someone who is no longer WELS and who is so doctrinally correct, that the direction to "mark and avoid" has been swapped for "mark and antagonize." The latter attitude in the heart is sinful spite. You talk about others whining and venting. Look in the mirror, dear Ichabod. The WELS is far from pure (no visible church body or congregation is) and will always be so ... but the Gospel is proclaimed in Word and Sacrament. As I recall those are the marks of the Church (big C) and believers are gathered there. I don't think that WELS is a place of either white-washed tombs or a body of folks that serve the devil below (as Brett likes to chide.)
Back to whistling while I work. This blog would be funny if it wasn't (sic) so sad. I'm praying for both Mr. and Mrs. Ichabod's needs this morning. Peace in Christ.


Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post ""Judge Us By Our Results" - WELS Church and Change...":

No wonder Mrs. Icky has a heart problem. It is filled with hatred much like the Ichabod faithless.

Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post "Popcorn Cathedral of Rock Ready To Go Live":

“PROCLAIM HIS WORD and leave the rest up to the Holy Spirit. You don't need to help Him.”
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I have heard this from WELS pastors for years while they side-step the question of “to whom?” The statement calls for disambiguation.

WELS pastors enjoy proclaiming his word over and over to fellow WELS members, children of members, the choir, etc. Generally speaking they are not talking about sharing the Word with the unchurched, non-members, etc. Without clarification the listener must infer or guess at what the pastor is saying or intending to say.

Along come pastors like Ski who strive to reach out to the unchurched in need of the Word. Anything he does is threatening because it makes the typical pastor look lazy by rehashing sermons to existing members.

What to do about it? The coup de grace results in attacks on Ski stating that he is not proclaiming the Word in the one and only acceptable way – like fellow pastors preaching to the choir.

No wonder WELS members feel confused!

Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post "Measuring WELS by the Numbers":

Same old, same old from you, GJ. What I think is so interesting is that you always talk about faithfulness to the Word, but I never EVER hear you share the gospel on Ichabod. You've replaced the good works of catholicism that you learned at Notre Dame with the "good work" of being faithful to the Word. A real Lutheran would always tie in faithfulness to God's Word with the gospel of Christ that Word contains. Your own words condemn you.

Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post "Massive Cuts in WELS, But Safari Don Patterson and...":

So numbers do make a difference when you want them to make a difference

Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post "The Four Horsemen of St. Marcus":

GJ, have the men in white jackets come for you yet? Keep posting your terribly ridiculous pictures, and they'll be knocking on your door sooner than you think!

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GJ - I do get a few anonymous outpatients sending comments. Thanks for the encouragement.

Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post "More WELS By the Numbers":

Who appointed GJ to be the conscience of the WELS? He hasn't been a member of the synod for over a decade. He publishes his site simply because he has an axe to grind.

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GJ - Who required Mouse to read this blog daily? Who held him at gunpoint and made him comment daily? Perhaps VP Don Patterson needs a minion to do his work for him. Kudu Don Patterson's only communication was limited to name-calling (You are a fool and a liar) and denying his safari guy was still a congregational president.

Who taught Mouse mind-reading? I know the Church and Chicaneries specialize in long-distance diagnosis of everyone who is onto them. Corky wrote his essay (posted on the left) because "he was brain-damaged." The former seminary president was against amalgamation because "he was senile." And so forth. Who is the first to say, "That's not loving"? Answer - the Church and Chicaneries.

Anonymouse has left a new comment on your post "Church and Change Day at Martin Luther College":

Don't you feel this is misleading to copy the MLC Evangelism Day speakers list, label it as Church and Change Day at MLC, and post it with this sign? "Get rid of all bitterness" Eph 4:31

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GJ - You are right. I should have labeled it - Crypto-Babtist Day.

What happened to "mark and avoid," or "beware of false prophets," and false doctrine being like gangrene or cancer?

Anonymouse has left another clueless comment on your post "Conversation with a Layman":

Poor guy. You're the last person I would ever ask advice from. I bet that really feeds your ego when someone who doesn't know you calls, seeking your "wisdom."

Anonymouse, revealing his Church and Chicanery education, has left a new comment on your post "Anonymouse Yells "Coward" Again":

Nice one, ya putz. As always you never addressed my charge about the sacraments. Instead you just parrot more of your own garbage. I looked at the viewer stats mostly in single digits. You call that reaching the world? Certainly you could do more in your community if you made half the effort you do now.

You are no more a Lutheran than those you run down and are just as guilty. You don't administer the sacraments because you can't and won't.

Anonymouse has left another clueless comment on your post "Rev. Kristen Administers the Means of Grace":

For someone who claims to be such a staunch Lutheran, your Ascension 'communion' service was a joke. You call that administering the sacrament? How do you do a baptism?

You may not agree with how some people are conducting church, but at least they can administer the sacraments. You should be ashamed of your behavior and hiding in your little box. Get out in the world. Start your own church instead of hiding your light.

I have posted on this subject before and I'm sure you will in cowardly fashion delete this as you have the others because you know that I am right and you have no defense. But you still have to read this and maybe some day it will sink in. Your arrogance will do you in.

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From a signed email:

Good evening Pastor,

What a beautiful Ascension Service! Thank you! It was very interesting the way you used the four Gospels and showed how they are each separate books but yet all mesh together. I really enjoyed everything.

Grumps Asks about Shrinkers Working

UOJ Stormtroopers need to rest up to do more planning.


grumpy has left a new comment on your post "Shrinkers Against Working Hard":

Here's a question...how many of your pastors show up for work days when your church has a clean-up, do some yard work, paint, etc. work day?

Some have said that their pastor's are usually busy with their families on those days, while members who also have families and work full time come almost every time there is a call.

When at prep school (MLS), freshmen and sophmore were required to shovel the walks and driveways of the professors. Sometimes these professors had children (teenagers) who had their walks shoveled by their dorm living classmates.

Is there a tendency for called workers to consider themselves exempt from the lowly grubby work of the church?

I have seen cases both ways (won't say which seems to be the more COMMON way), I was curious as to how other churches perceive this.

Grumps

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GJ - The Sausage Factory paid students to mow the lawns of the professors. Same deal - the professors had plenty of kids to do that.

By the way - this comes from someone on the Sausage board - no school is safe from the money crisis. Mequon is sitting on some mighty fine residential property, which was once a farm of some 165 acres. Mequon is a wealthy suburb and the seminary is out of money, more or less.

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grumpy has left a new comment on your post "Grumps Asks about Shrinkers Working":

Just an addendum Dr. Jackson...no pay was made to MLS preppies...it was just one more tradition...

I had no qualms about it when it was for an eldery professor without resident able bodied children.

For some others...well....

Grumps

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GJ - The tradition reminds me of dwarf tossing. Who thought up free work for the profs? The students?

Shrinkers Sermonize on Their Pietism

PETA endorsement


Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "What the Shrinkers Hate, Part II":

The enthusiasm of the (W)ELS would not have grown such deep and wide spread roots if they hadn't rejected the efficacy of Christ's Word.

From a UOJ/Pietistic [BM - my opinion] sermon given by a WELS Pastor on June 6, 2010 "I can go from door to door throughout the Seattle area telling everyone I meet about Jesus but it wouldn’t do even a fraction of the good that you are able to do by sharing your faith with your family and friends."

Sermon
http://www.htlc-wa.org/ministryinc/filedownload.aspx?master_sec_id=140004986&sec_id=140004986&libfolder=140047070&filename=Microsoft Word - 060610 Sermon.pdf

Sermon Website location
http://www.htlc-wa.org/site/cpage.asp?sec_id=140004986&cpage_id=140014787&secure=&dlyear=0&dlcat=0

Want another example?

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GJ - Sure.

Shrinkers Against Working Hard

The cross in a cup of coffee is the perfect symbol for Church and Change in WELS.

bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "What the Shrinkers Hate, Part II":

Hi Dr. Jackson, You asked for links about the shrinkers making comments against canvassing and handing out fliers in the comments section. It's been a while since I had these conversations, so they are hard to find (if they even exist anymore online). But here's a good example from Bailing Water in 2007 (below). I just said that our pastor refused to do any evangelism citing money problems, but then he refused to hand out flyers or even have the members hand out flyers because it wasn't a recommended CG method, probably because going door to door isn't "cool." Anyway, one CG guy sneered that I should have just handed out leaflets rather than bother the pastor about doing evangelism, and another said I was fixated on it. I guess that's the CG way of saying anyone who wants to do evangelism the old-fashioned way has a psychiatric problem (or is lazy or cheap or whatever smear their Old Man can think of off the cuff):
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http://bailingwater.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-now.html

excerpts:

Anonymous aaid...
Your difficulties with talking about new approaches to ministry simply does not recognize that methods can change, while the Word we proclaim remains unchanged. (For example, door to door canvassing in outreach simply doesn't work anymore in many communtities. We can reach so many more today via the Internet and other media with Law and Gospel. But to even discuss such newer methods is evidence of the infiltration of false doctrine in our midst, according to you and your blog.)

Anonymous said...

Hey Bruce--

Just think of how much precious canvassing you could have done on your own with the time you spent jerking your pastor around by the pocketbook. Just imagine what it would be like if laypeople spent their time talking about the Savior with their friends and coworkers instead of griping about how the pastor isn't doing any evangelism.
November 12, 2007 5:35 PM

bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "What the Shrinkers Hate, Part II":

cont'd from previous post:

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UP said...
Also, I am not against a church advertising or canvassing, but I don't understand why you are so focused on those.
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Anonymous said...

Actually canvassing really doesn't work. Think about it--who canvasses? Annoying salespeople and Mormons. I don't want my church being associated with either of those groups. In my experience there's only one thing that really works: members talking to their friends and coworkers and neighbors about the good news. Everything else is a far, far second. Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't be so quick to pit church growth against canvassing. Canvassing was popularized by the church growthers.
November 11, 2007 10:04 PM
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Anonymous said...

Bruce Church has no idea what he's talking about!
November 11, 2007 10:21 PM
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Anonymous said...

"Funny. That´s what the last pastor said before we got rid of him--about this very issue. Our new pastor canvases in addition to other activities, and he`s doing well."

Pastor as lackey? That's a problem with the WELS doctrine of church and ministry. If I'm in the Madison area I will definitely avoid your congregation.
November 12, 2007 6:49 AM
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Anonymous said...

As someone who has been on Travel-Canvas-Witness trips from MLC, I agree that canvassing does not work. After leaving thousands of fliers and talking to hundreds of people in a week for some mission congregation, you know how many new people showed up for worship on Sunday? None. Ever. A lot of money and time went into sending us to "help" the pastors of these missions and not one new person ever set foot in the church because of it.

At the congregation of which I'm currently a member, they do not do canvassing but are growing. Many of the Lutheran churches in the area have chosen to act like Methodists, Baptists, and Pentecostals. New converts are not stupid and see through the shallowness. Many, especially young families, have joined our congregation BECAUSE they can hear the Gospel preached and receive the Sacrament of the Altar every Sunday in a high liturgical setting.
November 12, 2007 9:21 AM

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Shrinkers Against Working Hard":

One problem is the CG people only think of instant results, it seems. One commented on BW that he took a trip from MLC to hand out flyers on a mission trip somewhere, and on Sunday they got zero results. However, when I hand out a flyers (which I've done), I'm just trying to raise the visibility of the church in an area, knowing nothing may come of it for week, months and years. It's similar to having your cross lit on your church. It's not going to cause people to break down your church doors, but over the years it will bring some people in, though they may not even be conscious of that reason for coming there as opposed to somewhere else, or nowhere. At least they can't say I never saw your church until I looked it up in the Yellow Pages, and then plugged the address into my GPS and drove over.

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GJ - People will drive 50 miles or more for a real Lutheran church because there are so few around. The Gospel produces the fruit of the Spirit, according to God's will. The need for instant results will always cause people to seek fad solutions, just as steroids will build big muscles while making other things very small.

What the Shrinkers Hate, Part II

The Shrinkers despise any congregation doing well because of its traditional Lutheran message and worship.

Their loathing of real outreach is revealed in their mockery of congregations doing what they cannot, even though the others lack the funds greedily absorbed by the Church and Money Changers. How much loot does a congregation like Patterson's need? The parish is affluent and well established. Why it is being subsidized at the expense of others?

The alleged growthers hate their brother ministers. Ski announced that A-Town was finally going to have a church that made Jesus real and relevant. He moved in with the big bucks, almost next door to another WELS congregation, in spite of protests and hard feelings engendered by his arrogance.

They hate the Lutheran name, doing everything possible to get rid of it. That is not because the name is an adiaphoron. The hatred comes from the Fuller/Willow Creek dogma. They hate Lutheran doctrine and loathe Lutheran worship, so they reject the Lutheran name. One WELS pastor conceded, "I will use the liturgy, once a month, but I will go outside and puke afterwards."

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wildcard (http://wildcard.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "What the Shrinkers Hate, Part II":

WELS pastors who despise preaching and teaching like to blame membership shrinkage on the word Lutheran. It must be the word Lutheran because it certainly cannot be them. At least they will never own up to it.

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GJ - Pastors? The synod leaders got rid of Lutheran on the magazine title page (now reversed), the main hymnal title, Lutherans For Life, and as many missions as possible. Try to find Lutheran on Time of Grace.

Pope John the Malefactor Was Just Re-Elected: Little Sect on the Prairie - "Can't Teach and Can't Preach"

This pope is another world traveler.

From a reader:

"Pope John The Malefactor was just elected to a third 4 year term at President of the ELS."

Another reader expressed hopes that the Holy Father would be removed, adding, "We don't know what to do with him. He can't preach and he can't teach."

That is why the world is full of mini-popes.

"Apt to teach" is not a requirement in the ELS ministry, and definitely not at the Little School on the Prairie.

Some More ELCA People Will Be Fired Soon

ELCA Bishop Gary is just like the WELS DPs,
and he was re-elected too.
He had to start five rump congregations to replace
ones fleeing his tender mercies and gay agenda.

ELCA NEWS SERVICE
June 21, 2010

ELCA Leaders to Revise 2010 Churchwide Budget, to Create Restructuring Plan

CHICAGO (ELCA) -- Leaders of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) will prepare a revised 2010 budget and spending plan for consideration in August, and they will create a plan to restructure the churchwide organization in 2011 in response to continuing declines in income, said the Rev. M. Wyvetta Bullock, ELCA executive for administration, in a June 21 e-mail to churchwide staff.

Bullock wrote that the churchwide organization's Administrative Team, the Cabinet of Executives, ELCA Church Council, the ELCA Conference of Bishops and other partners will work with the presiding bishop and staff on the restructuring plan.

In her message to staff, Bullock wrote that she wanted "to inform you of challenges we are facing related to the work of the churchwide organization as we move forward in mission with decreased financial resources. I also want to let you know how we plan to respond to those changes."

"As of the end of May, mission support income continues to decline," Bullock wrote. "You may recall that mission support represents approximately 80 percent of our churchwide organization's general operating budget." Mission support is income sent by congregations through synods to the churchwide organization.

"We anticipate preparing a revised 2010 budget and spending plan for action by the ELCA Church Council at its August meeting. The reduced budget plan will incorporate the underspending plan already implemented earlier this year," she wrote. The council will meet by conference call Aug. 4, she said.

"As we plan for 2011, given the depth of the changes necessary, we will be creating a plan to restructure the churchwide organization to align our work with anticipated income," Bullock wrote.

"Over the past 12-18 months we have faced significant changes in the churchwide organization. We are also mindful that challenges are being faced by synods, congregations, institutions, agencies and ecumenical partners. I continue to be thankful for your partnership and commitment to serve this church. Our prayers for one another and this church are needed as we walk together in the days ahead," she added.

She explained that the reasons for the income declines include a 30-year trend in declining revenues, the struggling U.S. economy and declines in congregational income due to the 2009 ELCA Churchwide Assembly's decisions on human sexuality.

Christina Jackson-Skelton, ELCA treasurer, said in an April 30 report that declines in mission support income in 56 of the ELCA's 65 synods, compared to the first quarter of 2009, "merits careful attention."

"The annual mission support budget for 2010 was reduced by $4.6 million or 7.7 percent from the amount received in 2009," Jackson-Skelton's report said. "The decline of 12.5 percent in the first quarter 2010 compared to the same period in 2009 exceeds the rate anticipated in the budget proposal and is unfavorable to budget by 3.5 percent."

Jackson-Skelton added that in 35 synods, mission support at the end of April was down by more than 10 percent compared to the same period in 2009.

The churchwide organization began its 2010 fiscal year with a current fund spending authorization of $69.3 million, including $55.1 million in mission support funds.

Balance the budget by recycling more?
I love the smell of compost in the morning.

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GJ - Unfortunately, ELCA is making everyone look wise, prosperous, and confessional.

WELS and Missouri should be saying, "This is where we will be in a few years."

I never expected a migration out of ELCA by entire congregations. Even less did I think bishops would leave. Too bad some of you did not lay bets with me. I would have bet a million that Ken Sauer would never leave, and he is a leader!

I need Scott Jungen's prophesy stone.

Bishop Gary is blowing up his district and getting re-elected to do more. See a pattern?

Deputy Doug Englebrecht was also re-elected.

This just in - Pope John the Malefactor was elected to another term. The Little Sect on the Prairie remains a wholly-owned subsidiary of Church and Change.

Scott Jungen Is a Prophet

"I love the smell of blown up blogs in the morning.
It smells like...victory."

Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "Brett Meyer Answers":

Wow! Did I call that or what? A blog down in a day. Is that a record? Gee, I was hoping to end up like Church Lady, Brett Meyer and bruce-church. Now my chance is gone.

Scott

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On June 21, 2010, less than 24 hours ago, Scott wrote:

Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "The Gnats Are Swarming Again: Shrinker Drama Queen...":

I think we have another sputterer here! I notice only 1 person has commented, and that person disagreed with him. He has no followers. It was about as lame as the MLC video. I don't think he's long for the blogosphere.

Keep up the good work Church Lady!

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GJ - Four blogs have been set up to rage against my poor, feeble effort. Four blogs are down hard. All of them have been UOJ and Church Growth.

My secret is using the Sword of the Spirit while they try the heel of their boots.

Ask the DPs To Observe Matthew 18 and the Eighth Commandment

rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Not Apt To Teach":

The Matthew 18 portion of the "8 and 18 switch" always works the first time around on naive and unsuspecting laity. The problem is that the apostate leaders keep using it, no matter what the circumstances. This prompted one member to jokingly refer to it as the favorite Bible chapter at our former congregation. Here is a seemingly strange coincidence. The circuit pastor recommended a face to face meeting with the pastor and a group of concerned members. The pastor refused to attend, just like Deputy Doug. An elder was there, who attempted to make an audio recording of the meeting. That almost set a lynch mob into motion. Fortunately, no blood was shed. Little did any of our members realize at that time that the improper application of Matthew 18 was synod wide and not relegated to just one congregation.

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GJ - The District Popes all pretend to be be quivery balls of Jello. They are good at feigning shock, timidity, confusion, forgetfulness to the point of senility. They are quite different behind closed doors. Nothing is too low for them to try. Meddle with the congregation? - their right. Demean the pastor? - no problem. Defend false doctrine? - well, it c-a-n be understood properly. Murder, adultery, and embezzlement? - where did you hear that.

Suddenly, the DP awakens from his bout with old age dementia, swallows a couple of Aricepts, and remembers everything wrong with the questioner - back to his conception. The porcine eyes fill with rage as he recounts every sin, real or imaginary, most of them committed against Holy Mother WELS (such as doubting GA). At the end, this Rev. DP asks, "What was your question again?"

WELS is an abusive sect. Get used to it. Those spared the abuse are the false teachers, unionists, murders, and adulterers. Unfortunately for the protected class, being sheltered is just a rocket down to the Inferno.

Brett Meyer Answers

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Nice To Meat You":

According to the fresh Anonymous blog post the individual is quiting. Giving up and is blaming Pastor Jackson for what he did, "His pattern is similar to that of the devil in this regard: He pokes, prods, and attacks until you lose all sanctified judgment and engage him." "I fell for it. I swore that I wouldn't but I did. It took less than a day. I was a fool for thinking otherwise. I couldn't sleep tonight, so I'm ending it."

I think it's a record, he started a parody blog and before Joe Krohn could become a follower he ended it. I did like the fact that he was using kitteh pictures in his posts.

You know who likes the kittehs Ski? ~ the ladies!