WELS Feminists - Church and Change

WELS church lady has left a new comment on your post "Together - Hydra":

Endorsement or polite lip-serve announcement? SP Schroeder does NOT approve of Church and Change. He has made that VERY clear in his correspondences to various C&C leaders and followers.(Correct me if I am wrong!) If The SP did indeed provide any of his own commentary in regards to the Women's Conference, such as encouraging ladies to join, that would move my concerns to a higher scale. He had to thank all of the districts for there conventions. In other words, the Women's Conference may have been a line-item in the Thank You List.(Perhaps)

The Women's Ministry does have male oversight. Richard Gurgel and David Kehl! Yes, if one considers Church and Change listers positive leaders for these ladies. I was looking over the C&C website and found a link to the Leadership Network. I must have missed this in the past. Click on 'leadership' and the link is listed. I couldn't believe it! On Intrepid Lutherans I discussed the basics of Leadership Network under the post titled, "Sectarian Worship Part 3."(to much to type here) I thought all along that C&C was borrowing from Lead Net. Two and two equals four.

In Christ,
from WELS church lady

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GJ - Dear Church Lady. You should be SP or at least a DP. If the men are going to act like women, then the women will have to act like men. (That motto was taken from a church reform movement.)

The WELS Hydra, which no one will admit exists, has been built carefully over the years. The parallels with the Nazarene sect show that the same influences have carefully trained the WELS suckers to buy the program, spend the money, and act the fool.

I believe it is hopeless in WELS, Missouri, and the Little Sect. There is leadership - all bad.



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wildcard (http://wildcard.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "WELS Feminists - Church and Change":

I believe it is hopeless in WELS, Missouri, and the Little Sect. There is leadership - all bad.

The leaders are the real problem. Even with an epiphany they will never admit to themselves how bad they really are.

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GJ - I remember telling DP Robert Mueller what church members said about Florida WELS - "The only way we could tell it was Lutheran was by the sign on the outside." That made him angry - at me. They took care of that - removing Lutheran from the sign. The CORE removed Lutheran and Church - a brief moment of honesty.

One Eponymous Archon (https://me.yahoo.com/oneeponymousarchon) has left a new comment on your post "WELS Feminists - Church and Change":

Apostasy, like fish-stink, starts at the head. I think the WELS prez is basically a good man and a confessional Lutheran. But most of the other leaders are rank heretics of the worst order. For what they have done to their own church body may they rot away from the inside and dogs lick their blood!

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GJ - I am waiting to see if Intrepids get promoted from the SP email, or Ichabod!

Kelm gets promoted to another lux job and goes on a speaking tour.

Someone Has His Pull-Ups in a Knot

Andrew has left a new comment on your post "WELS and Other Lutherans:The Differences Explained...":

Dear Greg,

I do not doubt your intellect one bit, but could you please get a real domain like a man? Who uses blogs other than preteen girls talking about boys they like. Grow up and pay for a domain.

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GJ - Dude, get real. Seriously. I have a domain and eleven or more blogs.

Grow up and stop sending anonymous messages where the ID is erased or broken. You are totally hiding something.

I have never read a preteen girl blog, but apparently you have read many. Most of my news reading is from blogs and similar sites. Try something written by adults for adults.

Everyone is laughing at you - for sure.

Stan Olson Received Siefkes Award - Resist the Beginnings, Part 88

Stan Olson is the point-man for the ELCA gay adventure.
He also endorsed Reformed-ELCA communion services.

I recall working with Patsy Leppien on the research for What's Going On Among the Lutherans? I wanted the title to be What's Going Wrong Among the Lutherans, which was more precise and yielded a pronounceable acronym: Wag-Watl.

She did plenty of patient research, turning up odd bits of information, such as the origins of the ALC's support for Lutherans Concerned.

Jim Siefkes was an ALC leader in radicalism, although the ALC had the reputation for being conservative. He was apparently the son or relative of an ALC leader in the past, so he was protected from criticism.

Siefkes got Lutherans Concerned going, so they give a prize in his honor.

One might call it the Righteous Straight award, suggesting that there may be a few good heterosexuals out there.

Stan Olson, former Luther Seminary professor and ALC district president, earned one of the Siefkes awards.

The ALC pastors always bought Lenski, much more often than the liberal LCA pastors. Most of us never heard of Lenski. WELS and Missouri pastors are the most likely buyers of Lenski.

Olson earned a PhD at Yale in New Testament, under some very conservative scholars - Nils Dahl and Abraham Malherbe. I wonder what Lenski, Dahl, and Malherbe would say about their guy.

This could be Jim Siefkes' father.

LCMS Just Voted Overwhelmingly To Work with ELCA

Missouri surrendered to ELCA's armored division.

ELCA NEWS SERVICE
July 20, 2010

ELCA Sierra Pacific Synod to Receive Seven Pastors
By 'Rite of Reception'

ELCA News:

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CHICAGO (ELCA) -- The Sierra Pacific Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) is celebrating a "Rite of Reception" service for seven pastors on July 25 at St. Marks Lutheran Church, San Francisco.

"The service is being offered in the spirit of reconciliation and hope for the future of this church," said the Rev. Mark W. Holmerud, bishop of the ELCA Sierra Pacific Synod, Oakland, Calif., which serves Northern California and Northern Nevada.

In April the ELCA Church Council authorized a rite proposed by the ELCA Conference of Bishops designed to receive pastors from Extraordinary Lutheran Ministries (ELM) onto the ELCA's roster of ordained ministers. To be used by the ELCA's 65 synod bishops in the next two years, the rite serves as a means of reception that embraces the ELCA's desire for reconciliation with ELM pastors serving ELCA congregations who wish to be recognized fully as ordained ministers in the denomination.

A key piece of the approved rite was that it "must be recognizable by fellow members of the Lutheran World Federation and among the ELCA's full-communion partners as containing signs consistent with ordination into the whole Church, in accordance with Lutheran Confessions, history and practice," according to information provided to council members.

ELM is an organization that credentials qualified candidates of all sexual orientations and gender identities for ordained ministry.

"These seven pastors (and one other pastor who will be brought onto the roster at a later date) have been offering exemplary ministry in congregations, nursing homes, to the people of the streets, and to youth in the East Bay," said Holmerud, despite the fact that the pastors were barred from official church rosters because they were not in compliance with ELCA ministry policies.

Ministry policies were changed by the council in April in response to the actions of the 2009 ELCA Churchwide Assembly, which directed that changes be made to make it possible for qualified candidates living in publicly accountable, lifelong, monogamous, same-gender relationships to serve as ELCA clergy and other professional church workers.

"Their reception onto the roster of this church is a way of acknowledging and celebrating the significance of their lives and ministries, and, we pray, will be a sign of Christ's blessings and presence through the ministry of the Sierra Pacific Synod and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America as we serve together in the future," Holmerud said.

Those to be received by the synod on July 25 are the Rev. Paul R. Brenner, the Rev. Jeff R. Johnson, the Rev. Craig M. Minich, the Rev. Dawn M. Roginski, the Rev. Megan M. Rohrer and the Rev. Sharon S. Stalkfleet.

In addition, Holmerud said the Rev. Ross D. Merkel's restoration to the roster will be celebrated during the worship service. The Rev. Steven P. Sabin, also restored to the roster, will celebrate the 25th anniversary of his ordination in late August with his congregation.

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Information about the ELCA Sierra Pacific Synod is at http://www.spsELCA.org/ on the Web.