Saturday, February 4, 2012

Going the Extra Mile in Research - So You Can Enjoy the Superbowl



Joe Krohn found an interesting post denouncing Objective Justification and linked it on his blog.

http://heartoftn.net/users/gary27/Objectiv.htm

I usually Google new names, to see what comes up.

In this case, the author was Gary Ray Branscome.

The first thing I noticed was a new post on Herman Otten's blog that was not quite anti-OJ but could be read that way.

http://christiannewsmo.blogspot.com/2012/02/justification-by-faith-alone-material.html

I am always uneasy with affirmations that lack negative statements. Every clear confession needs the negative side to avoid ambiguity. "Error loves ambiguities." Mormons believe in the Trinity, they say, but they do not denounce three separate persons because they are not Trinitarian.

Herman Otten's Christian News is a UOJ shop, although he waffles toward justification by faith at times. Like Rolf Preus, he will always come down on the UOJ side when pressed.

That is why I found the Branscome post so oddly out of place when I just read an anti-UOJ post from the same author.

So I looked again, Google-searching the name.

Here is Gary posting against infant baptism:

http://heartoftn.net/users/gary27/caseagin.htm

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Going the Extra Mile in Research - So You Can Enjo...":

The UOJists who falsely accuse me of heresy when I contend for Justification by Faith Alone have blamed you, Pastor Jackson, for poisoning me against their doctrine of UOJ. But it was long before we met that the problems with UOJ were brought to my attention. I was speaking to a Baptist about works righteousness being a part of making a decision for Christ. He laughed and said that it was 'us' Lutherans who teach works righteous through faith since 'we' teach the world is forgiven before faith and we just need to make a decsion to believe it. Wha...wh...? I started to study after that.

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Going the Extra Mile in Research - So You Can Enjo...":

As you know I was accused of being a heretic myself, and to be shunned and avoided.

It is really insulting for me to say I was poisoned; it means, I have no mind of my own and could not discern things for myself.

LPC

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GJ - Lito and Brett, they have nothing left but insults and logical fallacies.

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http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=4190&cpage=3#comment-281918

Author: Lito Cruz
Comment:
<a href="#comment-281793" rel="nofollow">@John Standley #32 </a>

John,

Did you see what I mean? The condescension?

Read Dr. Kilcrease  at

<a href="#comment-281905" rel="nofollow">@Dr. Jack Kilcrease #36 </a>

Kilcrease brands Team JBFA as <i>Most of his followers tend to be people who are not very well versed in theology</i>. We are Galileans, we are unlearned that is why we are fooled.

Despite the fact that we have offered and given reasonable doubt on their famous UOJ verse, Romans 4:25 we are ignorant in theology, right. We can not read and we do not exercise critical thinking 101.

You open every commentary on this, the only interpretation that slightly support their contention about Romans 4:25 is Everett Harrison's commentary on Romans, see Expositor's Bible Commentary, Vol 10. There he speaks about accomplishment, but in the end of his long exposition he offers a caveat, he says, of course, the justification mentioned there in that verse is justification through faith.

Just for your info, I have 4 degrees, 1 degree is in Religious Studies (specialising in Biblical Languages, 2-4 years in Classical/Koine Greek,1 year Biblical Hebrew), it is a degree between a Bachelor and a Master's degree(http://www.latrobe.edu.au/). My prof was G H R Horsley who authored a multivolume set found here http://books.google.com.au/books/about/New_documents_illustrating_early_Christi.html?id=28YyARfAsesC&amp;redir_esc=y

Over here, we do not parade our academic accomplishments, it is bad form. We only do it for ethical reasons because if we are a doctor and we don't say it, we are misrepresenting ourselves specially when we are in a career situation.

John, the mark of a person who has no argument is to insult you.

LPC

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GJ - Ach, Lito - do not fall for his anti-Jacobs rant. Academic qualifications often get in the way of discernment. Poor Jack was trained by ELCA and next by the Jesuits at Marquette, the little school where Notre Dame graduates go to do their student teaching.

Kilcrease is annoyed by people running circles around his pet opinion. Academic theologians like to start some new fad or flog some dog-eared theory. Going back and forth gives them visibility. One man, with far better credentials than anything on Kilcrease's light resume, argued that Jesus founded a mushroom cult. As the impressed book seller told me, "Look! He has 400 footnotes!"

My unscientific study of justification-by-faith stalwarts yields this conclusion - almost all of them are laity.


7 comments:

Brett Meyer said...

The UOJists who falsely accuse me of heresy when I contend for Justification by Faith Alone have blamed you, Pastor Jackson, for poisoning me against their doctrine of UOJ. But it was long before we met that the problems with UOJ were brought to my attention. I was speaking to a Baptist about works righteousness being a part of making a decision for Christ. He laughed and said that it was 'us' Lutherans who teach works righteous through faith since 'we' teach the world is forgiven before faith and we just need to make a decsion to believe it. Wha...wh...? I started to study after that.

LPC said...

As you know I was accused of being a heretic myself, and to be shunned and avoided.

It is really insulting for me to say I was poisoned; it means, I have no mind of my own and could not discern things for myself.

LPC

Jim Pierce said...

You two are absolutely hilarious! Both of you have been over at BJS beating your little drums that OJ is a heretical teaching, one which teaches a false gospel, and in the process of shouting that have made everyone defending OJ a heretic. Not to mention that Dr. Jackson has said to me personally via email that Walther and Pieper preached a false gospel and were heretics.

You guys are killing me!

Gregory L. Jackson said...

But Jim, you are. You do not agree with the Scriptures. You argue against the Book of Concord. Your peritus is an ELCA-Jesuit trained part-time teacherer of Roman Catholics.

Walther admitted he was a false teacher. He pledged total obedience to the syphilitic adulterer Martin Stephan, but accused him of false teaching a few months later. QED, Walther and all the unemployed ministers were false teachers too.

Jim Pierce said...

And there you go...

Brett Meyer said...

Mr. Pierce, my comment was prompted by the apparent Baptist beliefs the anti-UOJ author has. It coincided with the flurry of charges on the BJS thread that Pastor Jackson poisoned the Justification well for Lito Cruz and myself. Just commenting on the disgust the Baptists have for the Lutheran Synods that have jettisoned Scripture and the Book of Concord regarding Christ's doctrine of Justification. I wasn't complaining about being called a heretic by the UOJists.

LPC said...

Jim,

You are a zealous soldier of LC-MS, but without knowledge.

You criticise Errors of Missouri but you have never read it.

You criticise Walther A. Maier but you have never read him.

You pledge allegiance to LC-MS Magisterium.

Ok Jim, I won't change your opinion with the facts.

LPC