Sunday, December 2, 2012

How about LCMS, WELS, and ELS Clergy Who Have Become Lutheran?


Christian News will sell you a  book full of lies about Luther.
Herman Otten graduated from Concordia, St. Louis.

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Concordia Seminary--St. Louis doctrinal student seeks input from former Evangelicals who have turned into Confessional Lutherans. I'm guessing that people from a Reformed church might also count as Evangelicals even though Calvinists don't like mainstream Evangelical theology or practice. Doesn't hurt to check:

Attention All Former Evangelicals
http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=24953

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GJ - Here is a short DMin paper for youse guys - District Presidents who are or who have turned Lutheran.

I heard the LCMS has one Lutheran DP. WELS has none. 

Intrepid Lutherans Are Mild



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IL was rather mild when Pr. Rydecki was kicked out. Frankly, the mildness is due to the fact that they are not so convinced that UOJ is false doctrine.

Nobody gives credit to Dr. Greg, yet it was here at Ichabod I first heard the rattling of the cage known as UOJ. Where did I first hear of UOJ being possibly wrong? It was at Ichabod. Using again the Scripture and the Confessions, and a bit of honesty, it can not be denied that the UOJ passages used to support UOJ are not based on exegesis, but based in eisegesis by none NT experts. Pieper being one of them.

Nobody gives credit to Ichabod and those that do, still remain anonymous. What is that but politics?

John 12:43
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

LPC

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GJ - Three laymen got me started on the topic of UOJ, years ago, and a group of laity have participated in research about justification. Many key findings have come from these laity.

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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Intrepid Lutherans Are Mild":

LPC -

You stated:

>>>>> ......Nobody gives credit to Ichabod and those that do, still remain anonymous...... <<<<<<<<

Horrors! Apparently, you didn't think about me when you made that statement! But, I'll forgive you anyway........

Nathan M. Bickel

www.thechristianmessage.org
www.moralmatters.org

First Sunday in Advent, 2012



The First Sunday in Advent, 2012

Pastor Gregory L. Jackson


Bethany Lutheran Church, 10 AM Central Time


The Hymn # 245     God Loved the World  4:6
The Confession of Sins
The Absolution
The Introit p. 16
The Gloria Patri
The Kyrie p. 17
The Gloria in Excelsis
The Salutation and Collect p. 19
The Epistle and Gradual      
The Gospel             
Glory be to Thee, O Lord!
Praise be to Thee, O Christ!
The Nicene Creed p. 22
The Sermon Hymn # 290            We Have A Sure            4:89

The Night Is Far Spent

The Hymn # 305:1-6           Soul Adorn Thyself            4.23
The Preface p. 24
The Sanctus p. 26
The Lord's Prayer p. 27
The Words of Institution
The Agnus Dei p. 28
The Nunc Dimittis p. 29
The Benediction p. 31
The Hymn # 657            Beautiful Savior            4:24

KJV Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering [lewdness] and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

KJV Matthew 21:1 And when they drew nigh unto Jerusalem, and were come to Bethphage, unto the mount of Olives, then sent Jesus two disciples, 2 Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me. 3 And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them. 4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, 5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass. 6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them, 7 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. 8 And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way. 9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

First Sunday in Advent - The Collects of Veit Dietrich

Lord God, heavenly Father, we thank Thee, we bless and praise Thee forever, that Thou didst send Thy Son to rule over us poor sinners, who for our transgressions did justly deserve to remain in the bondage of sin and Satan, and didst give us in Him a meek and righteous King, who by His death became our Savior from sin and eternal death: We beseech Thee so to enlighten, govern and direct us by Thy Holy Spirit, that we may ever remain faithful to this righteous King and Savior, and not, after the manner of the world, be offended with His humble form and despised word, but, firmly believing in Him, obtain eternal salvation; through the same, Thy beloved Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Ghost, one true God, world without end. Amen.

The Night Is Far Spent

KJV Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we  [GJ – first] believed.

I remember people wondering how long things could go on like this, over 20 years ago. Now it looks like a golden age in comparison. Paul faced the same kind of tumult and confusion.

Luther’s commentary on Galatians 4:17 following reads like an essay on the Lutheran Church today. Those comments are completely in harmony with this Romans passage.

Paul was given a unique mission from God, to preach the Gospel revealed by the risen Christ Himself. Paul had no doubts about the Gospel and he also had a special background in his own study of the Old Testament. He knew how wrong he was in the past, about that content. Christ revealed to Paul what the Old Testament (as we call it) really meant.

It was parallel to the road to Emmaus experience, recorded in Luke. His eyes were opened.

Thus Paul knew the answer to the salvation of the world, and he knew it from the Son of God. And yet, wherever he went, this Gospel was persecuted and he was blamed for all the problems that erupted.

Worst of all, many became convinced that the false teachers were really doing what they promised, helping everyone toward salvation and improving the church.

Paul was blamed for those splits, too.

And how could he NOT be blamed for causing riots. He had a record of being arrested, beaten, and escaping a city in a basket lowered from a window. He saw a great crisis, literally a judgment, and preached about it.

But still people slumbered. That is a universal metaphor used to described a lack of interest in actual events. When we sleep our bodies enter a paralysis, and our minds drift away. Reality no longer exists. But we have to wake up and take care of our normal duties.

Most people awaken slowly and they have trouble grasping the reality left behind in sleep. People trip over pets, lose their glasses, and gasp at the image in the mirror. Waking up in a new place can create a surge of anxiety. “Where am I and how did I get here?”

Wakefulness symbolizes seeing things as they are. The time of evil is an era of darkness. As bad as things might be, salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.

Salvation means the final consummation for us, when we are moved from this earth to eternal life. We do not know the exact future, and Paul did not either. All those prophets who predict the future place themselves above Christ, who said, the Son does not know, only the Father.

The working of the Antichrist began in the Apostolic Age, but God allowed human history to continue. That we have had life 2000 years after Christ is a testimony to God’s grace alone. It is His letting (2 Thessalonians 2). When He stops allowing us to continue, history will come to an end.

All believers will inherit eternal life because of their sins being forgiven through faith. For many then and even more (in numbers) today – that has meant death through martyrdom.

Those who teach material blessings through the Gospel avoid the cross entirely. They cannot harmonize the two, so they reject the cross in favor of luxuries and ease. Luther argued that the cross is proof of sound doctrine – not a refutation of it. Chytraeus said the same thing. The Gospel always produces opposition, especially in the visible church.

Ministers are made to feel guilty when there is opposition - 
  • You said something wrong – or in the wrong way – or too boldly.
  • Your children are loud in church and yet you are a minister. That must be your fault.
  • Why does your wife dress so well (or so frugally)? Both are considered faults by those who oppose the Word.
Luther commented on one excellent minister whose members never let him forget that he was always clearing his throat.

Thus today the biggest fraud is the favorite of the synodical leaders, because they are also frauds. They know their false doctrine and deceptions have earned them luxury vacations at the finest resorts, all kinds of tax-free gifts, and the greatest honors from those who know them least. After imposing their false doctrine on a congregation and splitting it from the divinely called pastor, they point their crooked fingers and cackle, “Look at him. He divided the congregation. We must chase him away as a wolf among sheep.” And they do, rejoicing in their so-called orthodoxy.

12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

In John’s Gospel and in Paul, darkness represents evil, falsehood, and sin. In contrast, light symbolizes truth, righteousness, and purity. I did a study of this long ago and was struck by this symbolism in two authors. John and Paul truly own this distinction in the New Testament. However, other authors also use the terms to some extent.

Luther made this observation about Creation by the Word in Genesis 1. Light was created by the Word before all the stars. How can light exist before the source of light, the sun and stars?

That is God’s way. He created light. He is truth. Jesus, the creating Word said, “I am the Light of the World.”

What do all the false teachers say? They are light. In the Masonic Lodge religion, the Worshipful Master is called the light. Not Christ, but an elected human being – like a District President or a bishop.

KJV John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the Light of the World: he that followeth Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Paul here is admonishing his followers to get rid of all the works of darkness, the sins that drag them away from the Gospel, the false doctrine that surrounds them.

False doctrine is the opposite of the cross. It promises the very things that our Old Adam craves. And yet it is never satisfying, so Old Adam wants more and better. Paganism was a sex cult, so that was attractive by itself. The Roman Empire was bi-sexual from the top down, which meant they might conceive children but they really preferred their own gender. See Romans 1 for a portrait of our age and theirs. The first 15 Roman emperors were all bi-sexual, and many were monsters, even in the eyes of their peers. Each ruler had his Reggie Love companion and more besides. Tiberius and Joel Hochmuth – same behavior, only without the Internet.

and let us put on the armour of light.

We are and will remain sinners, always vulnerable to temptation of all kinds. And yet there is a powerful armor against all darkness – the Gospel, which is the armor of light. The truth of forgiveness means that when we fail, when we fall, we still find forgiveness in Christ, which is constantly offered us in the Word.

Luther called the Word the ultimate weapon against Satan. The Word identifies Satan’s work and also defeats it. The Gospel shields us against Satan’s attacks and comforts us with the true, genuine comfort of God’s grace and love.

My wife ran into one of those cloaked nasty emails I often get from “conservative” Lutheran pastors. It made her a bit upset, because we know this person. I said, “No, it is a commendation. The barbs and sneers and fake good wishes are all a way of saying – the Word torments us for promoting UOJ.”

Although most people think of fleshly sin when the term sin is mentioned, our biggest weaknesses come from our emotions. I had a grandmother lose her cherries grandchild during an online class. She felt helpless and worthless and could not focus on anything. She was going to drop out and fail the class. It is a natural feeling to say, “Here is one more cause of pain. I will drop that cause and it will feel better.” I gave her Angel Joy as a PDF, to read and share with her family. In the long run, finishing a class is not the biggest thing, but it helped her focus on faith and Christian grieving. She finished the class.
The Gospel is the only medicine for grieving, and it is powerful. Nothing is universal is scope – except loss and grieving.

The Gospel is the armor of light, because God’s truth heals while Satan’s deceptions destroy.

NIV Romans 13:13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. [NIV so WELS can understand it.]

Because of the cross, the temptation is always there to give up the Gospel in favor of darkness. Or, in the case of people who use the Gospel as a pillow to sleep on – to excuse returning to the old ways through an appeal to God’s grace.

It does not matter what everyone says, what everyone does. Here are clear pathways that lead to destruction. I know a prime example, with great talent and intelligence. He could handle every substance he abused, he said. Now he is an admitted slave to them and pays the price in every possible way.

Notice that not everything is straight out of Hollyword. Strife and jealousy are included, because they are examples of coveting – evil desire and the temptation to create harm and manufacture trouble, due to jealousy.

Everyone has a jealous streak. Even babies. When we referred to babies in the hospital, our innocent little Erin got jealous of them. I had to say, “But YOU are the baby of this hospital.” She wanted to be Number One Baby. Later, she did not like the term and wanted to be The Big Girl. I remember an engineer who mentioned how lovely these petite ladies from India were. His beautiful wife’s eyes were glowing green, and he never noticed at the moment. I was sure he had to pay back the loan on his wife’s patience later.

Jealousy is an emotion until we act upon to lower someone, hoping to make ourselves better by lowering them. (Men and women speak different languages, so the engineer’s compliment was not disparaging his wife in any way. But she felt the sting. Such things keep conversations going.)


14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

This is an admonition to use our baptismal grace against all the wiles of Satan.

We have many friends who love sacred music, the great classics of the hymnal especially. I was taking a break from moving, since it was going to be a long, long day (24 hours in all). One recent hymn kept going through my head – “Invited, Lord.”

Invited, Lord, by boundless grace,
I stand a guest before Thy face;
As Host Thou spreadst no common food:
Here is Thy body and Thy blood.

I was thinking about how hard we were searching for something in Bella Vista, which would have trapped us in one sense, far from new opportunities.

No common food kept going through my head, because the Real Presence is overlooked, distorted, and rejected by so many. It is one more example of God’s boundless grace.

Advent One

Quotations for the Epistle,

Romans 13:11-14


The night is far spent, and the day is at hand. "By the word 'night' we are to understand all doctrines apart from the Gospel. For there is no other saving doctrine; all else is night and darkness."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 15f. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.

"For the Holy Spirit aids us, fortifying our hope and enabling us not to fear nor to flee from the disasters of the world; but to stand firm even unto death, and to overcome all evil; so that evil must flee from us and cease its attacks. Remember, it is hope in the power of the Holy Spirit, not in human weakness, that must do all this through the medium of the Gospel."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 63. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.

"Hence, you see, the ecclesiastical traditions that flatly forbid the eating of meat are contrary to the Gospel."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 27. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.

"It is our duty to allow the body all necessary food, whether wine, meat, eggs or anything else; whether the time be Friday, Sunday, in Lent or after the feast of Easter; regardless of all orders, traditions and vows, and of the Pope. No prohibition contrary to God's command can avail, though made by the angels even."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 26. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.

"The other class is represented by the blind saints who imagine the kingdom of God and his righteousness are dependent upon the particular meat and drink, clothing and couch, of their own choice...Upon this subject Paul says (1 Corinthians 8:8): 'Food will not commend us to God; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse; nor, if we eat, are we the better.'"
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 25f. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14; 1 Corinthians 8:8.

"We are to place our whole confidence in God, and in Him alone, being very careful not to devote any portion of it to the mother of God or any saint and so set up an idol in our hearts." Sermons of
Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p.54. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.

"Using a convenient term, he calls Christ a 'minister,' as he calls all preachers and apostles ministers. 'What then is Apollos? and what is Paul? Ministers through whom ye believed.'" 1 Corinthians 3:5.
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 57. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14; 1 Corinthians 3:5.

"Paul in Romans 12:7-8 devotes the office of the ministry to two things, doctrine and exhortation. The doctrinal part consists in preaching truths not generally known; in instructing and enlightening the people. Exhortation is inciting and urging to duties already well understood. Necessarily both obligations claim the attention of the minister, and hence Paul takes up both."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 9. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14; Romans 12:7-8.

"But, being deceived by the devil, we forsake the light of day and seek to find truth among philosophers and heathen totally ignorant of such matters. In permitting ourselves to be blinded by human doctrines, we return to the night. Whatsoever is not the Gospel day surely cannot be light. Otherwise Paul, and in fact all Scripture, would not urge that day upon us and pronounce everything else night."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 17. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.

"Other books may have power to slay us, indeed, but no book except the holy Scriptures has power to comfort us. No other bears the title here given by Paul--book of comfort--one that can support the soul in all tribulations, helping it not to despair but to maintain hope. For thereby the soul apprehends God's Word and, learning His gracious will, cleaves to it, continuing steadfast in life and death."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholaus Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 43. First Sunday in Advent, Romans 13:11-14.

Intrepid Lutherans - Hated by the WELS Coven of Pharisees (COP)

"Follow the money, boys."


Intrepid Lutherans:

We can only say, Church and Continuity was an enormous success, especially given that it was our first Conference – and we simply could not have pulled it off without the generous support of our donors, to whom we offer special thanks. As a result of this success, a second Conference is certainly in the works, which our readers can expect to hear about shortly after the turn of the New Year.

Of course, it will be asked, What has attracted our readership? What had attracted interest in attending our Conference in 2012? The answer: our content – substantive and compelling, and sometimes controversial. Over the past thirty months the following twenty posts have been the most popular:

Page TitlePage ViewsDateAuthorCommentsObservations
1.Dear Pastors Jeske and Ski: You are clearly in the wrong483002/15/11Intrepid Lutherans13Juicy controversy – everybody was interested, relatively few had the courage to comment.
2.Fraternal Dialogue on the Topic of "Objective Justification"368109/26/11Mr. Douglas Lindee54Rev. Webber (ELS) recommended “Fraternal Dialogue” on the topic, so we opened it with a position and a series of questions to debate, and attempted to keep the ensuing “dialogue” civil and centered on Scripture and the Confessions.
3.The NNIV, the WELS Translation Evaluation Committee, and the Perspicuity of the Scriptures354907/28/11Mr. Douglas Lindee71The catch-phrase, “There is no perfect translation,” ultimately devolves into a denial of Scripture's clarity and an affirmation of the Roman position that the literate Christian still needs a “Priest” to explain it to him. The sufficiency and authority of Scripture being one of the planks of the Protestant Reformation, this will never happen among Protestant Christians. Not directly. Translators now take on this role in the Protestant world, under the translation ideology of Dynamic Equivalency.
4.Change or Die – Update319402/24/11Intrepid Lutherans13The “juicy controversy” continues, as does both interest in the controversy and reluctance to become involved.
5.Why I No Longer Attend My [WELS] Church314802/06/11Intrepid Lutherans26Cross-post from Mr. Ric Techlin's blog, Light from Light, publicly revealing difficulties he was having in his congregation, namely, the refusal of his congregation to address his concerns regarding error in doctrine and practice that was being promoted in his congregation. A handful of local pastors volunteered to work with Mr. Techlin, his congregation and district to resolve these difficulties...
6.The WEB: A viable English Bible translation?274609/19/11Rev. Paul Rydecki94Discussion over an unsuitable version of the Bible degenerates into a melee over Universalism, and this version's mistranslation of certain sections which support it.
7.Emmaus Conference – Recap260705/10/11Rev. Paul Rydecki17Were some people excitedly thinking that perhaps this event represented the reunion of Missouri and Wisconsin?
8.Suspended from the WELS – Why?252710/09/12Rev. Paul Rydecki0More “juicy controversy...”
9.The whole flock won't survive 'jumping the shark'244802/02/12Mr. Brian Heyer42Thoughtless and ridiculous last-ditch efforts to “save the congregation” by abusing the term evangelism are transparently pathetic acts of desperation, make the congregation a laughing stock in the community and bring shame upon the name of Christ. The methods of the Church Growth Movement are not methods, they are antics, and kill the church by trivializing Scriptures' teachings. Shame on Lutheran congregations who do such things!
10.NNIV – the new standard for WELS?232507/15/11Mr. Douglas Lindee62Yup, it sure looks that way...
11.Thoughts on Gender-Neutral Language in the NIV 2011231009/15/11Intrepid Lutherans9Intrepid Lutherans aren't the only ones in WELS concerned that whitewashing gender differences in the Bible, by way of imposing a feminist ideology of translation over the entire text, will lead not only to doctrinal error, but to a culture of thought among supposedly “conservative” Christians that is at war against the Nature of God itself and incompatible with His message to Man.
12.The Silence Is Broken: An Appleton Update226905/08/11Rev. Paul Lidtke17An update on Mr. Techlin's difficulties, from one of the pastors personally involved in his defense. After formally objecting to what he was concerned were unscriptural practices and teachings in his congregation – and asking to be corrected where he might be in error– Mr. Techlin was simply removed from fellowship: no discussion with him over the issues he raised was entertained, no brotherly attempt was made to work with him through these issues, no example of Christian humility was displayed by his “brothers” which might have suggested they were themselves open to correction. Instead, without Mr. Techlin's or his family's knowledge, the congregation scheduled a meeting, and without even offering him the opportunity to defend himself, voted to remove him and members of his family from fellowship. To his surprise, he received a “Certified Letter” in the mail informing him of the congregation's action against him. Not so much as a phone call from a “concerned brother” or even from his pastor. Just certified mail. Furthermore, this letter made no mention of any doctrinal error to which he obstinately clung, regarding which the congregation collectively determined “further admonition would be of no avail.” To this day, Mr. Techlin has no idea what his error may have been, as no admonition has ever been attempted, certainly none by a “genuine brother” who was himself open to correction. Moreover, this congregation's action was openly defended by their Bishop, and formally approved by a committee he personally appointed to review Mr. Techlin's appeal, which found that “[his] congregation had Scriptural reasons for removing [him] from membership and, in doing so, acted in the spirit of Christian love.” Mr. Techlin's is not the only recent example of similar processes used to remove “undesirables” from WELS, but his is very well-documented and betrays what seems to not only be acceptable practice but one which Christian congregations are apparently not above employing.
13."Walking Together Sunday" - The Sermon225509/25/10Rev. Paul Rydecki58Walking together under Law, cooperating in evangelistic efforts because we are commanded to do so. From a commenter on this post: “The unfortunate thing about the 'Walking Together Sunday' sermon, and the entire event, is that Evangelism is the only emphasis. Yet, our 'walking together' is predicated on our standing together. Despite this, there was no emphasis given to our full agreement in all matters of doctrine and practice, nor any mention of our Confessions or Confessional Unity. No explanation or celebration of our 'togetherness' as fundamental to our walking in this togetherness. The clear and sole emphasis was the command of Evangelism followed by an appeal for money. This is entirely the wrong emphasis, in my opinion, leading to the wrong notion that our working rather than our confessing is the essence of our togetherness.”
14.Issues with the NIV 2011: "The saints" are no more219708/15/11Rev. Paul Rydecki12Another example of Biblical and Ecclesiastical language being stripped from the Christian lexicon by liberal feminist and sectarian translators...
15.What Part of the Word "Wrong" Don't We All Seem to Understand These Days?!218012/10/10Rev. Steven Spencer47Is someone who, or something which, is wrong, merely suffering from a misunderstanding? A fantastic series of thoughtful comments follows from this post.
16.Ambivalent217606/27/12Rev. Steven Spencer47Does no one care about the threat of doctrinal error and sectarian practice? One might pardon the laity for not being informed, but what do we make of the silence and inaction of Lutheran clergy?
17.Law and Gospel: What do they teach? – Part 1216410/26/10Mr. Douglas Lindee79The message of Law and Gospel teaches the saving message of Justification, a message which is central to all of Lutheran doctrine and practice, “affirming that, through faith, men obtain remission of sins, and through faith in Christ are justified (AC:IV:1-3).” Thus, Christ is the object of faith: “In order for Justification to be taught correctly, in order for man to make Christ the sole object of his faith... the Law must be stripped from [the Gospel] entirely. That isn’t to say that the Law is not to be taught. On the contrary, in order to understand Justification properly, it is necessary that the message of the Law precede it. In other words, Justification cannot be preached properly unless Law is distinguished and kept separate from the Gospel, and the Gospel has no application unless it follows the message of the Law.”
18.Differences between Reformed and Lutheran Doctrines214204/13/11Mr. Douglas Lindee4The majority of hits on this post are from Reformed and Evangelical sources, as it has been passed around and discussed in a number of different forums.
19.The NIV 2011 and the Importance of Translation Ideology204908/02/11Mr. Douglas Lindee25Functional Arminianism is at the root of observing “The Great Commission” so slavishly as to labour under it as “The Great Law.” As a result, the adoption of translation ideologies like Dynamic Equivalency, which are derived directly from dangerously anti-Truth and thus also anti-Christian post-Modern philosophies, are observed as equally imperative.
20.C.F.W. Walther: Filching from sectarian worship resources equals "soul murder"201703/23/11Mr. Douglas Lindee26Practice and doctrine are not independent of one another. This post saw wide circulation and commentary on the internet, and opened the eyes of many people to the connection doctrine has with practice. They are not independent. They impact each other.


'via Blog this'

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GJ - "Intrepid" is a fine example of hyperbole. They were silent when their own member was excommunicated by Ski, Glende, and DP Deputy Doug.

They were silent when Rydecki was kicked out of WELS. The WELS COP wants to shut them down NOW!

I expect they will silence themselves for good and blame me. I was never any part of Intrepid Lutherans. I suggested, when asked, a blog for discussion.


Deserting the Gospel



Daryl Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Brett Meyer to the Intrepid Lutherans":

I've read this somewhere before. Let's see...ah yes, here it is:

Gal 1:6-10 (NIV) No Other Gospel:

(6) I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel-(7) which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. (8) But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! (9) As we have already said, so now I say again: if anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! (10) Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Luther's comments (Kregel):

...the false apostles had reported Paul to be an imperfect apostle, and a weak, erroneous teacher; therefore he called them here troublers of the Church, and overthrowers of the gospel of Christ. Thus they condemn each other. The false apostles condemn Paul, and Paul condemneth the false apostles. The like contending and condemning is always in the Church; especially when the doctrine of the gospel flourisheth; to wit, that wicked teachers do prosecute, condemn, and oppress the godly; and on the other side, that the godly do reprove and condemn the ungodly.

Another LCMW-WELS Hero Goes Lavender:
Rick Warren Uncertain if Homosexual Behavior is Sinful, Says ‘Gays’ Go to Heaven | Christian News Network





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Rick Warren Uncertain if Homosexual Behavior is Sinful, Says ‘Gays’ Go to Heaven



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Controversy is stirring over recent comments made by Rick Warren, author of the best-selling book The Purpose-Driven Life and megachurch leader of Saddleback Church in California, who stated that homosexual behavior “might be” sinful, and that he believes homosexuals go to Heaven.
During an interview this week with theHuffington Post, Warren was asked by Marc Lamont Hill if having romantic feelings for a member of the same sex is a sin. Leading up to the question, Warren was explaining that he does not hate homosexuals, and that people should disagree politely on the subject of homosexuality.
“I have many, many gay friends, and have worked around the world with them in gay organizations to try to stop AIDS,” he said. “We’re doing ‘World AIDS Day’ this weekend at Saddleback Church. My wife and I have given millions of dollars to help people with HIV/AIDS and have worked with gay organizations on that.”
“What about the love part, though? I hear about the AIDS part,” asked Hill. “It’s not illegal to love somebody,” Warren replied.
“But you think it’s a sin,” Hill asserted. “No, it’s not a sin to love somebody,” Warren said.
“It might be a sin to have sex with them,” he added. “It might be.”
However, just moments prior, Hill aired a clip from an interview that Warren participated in on Piers Morgan this week, where Warren presented a slightly different answer. He began by responding to the question of whether or not a person can be born homosexual.
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“I think the jury is still out on that,” he said. “It wouldn’t bother me if there was a ‘gay gene’ found, because here’s what we know about life: I have all kinds of natural feelings in my life, and it doesn’t necessarily mean that I should act on every feeling. … I do not believe that attraction is a sin, but I do believe that some actions are sin.”
Warren stated during his interview with Hill that he believes sex outside of marriage is always sinful, however, and that he obtains his views from the Bible.
“I make no bones about it. I’m an evangelical pastor, so my source of authority is, what does the Bible say about it?” he said. “However, people will have other sources of authority.”
“Or, different readings of the Bible,” Hill injected.
“Or different readings — that’s very true,” Warren agreed.
Later during the interview, when Hill asked Warren if he believes homosexuals will go to Hell, he replied that they will not.
“No, not because they’re gay,” he said. “We go to Hell because we choose to reject the grace of God.”
When Hill asked what happens to a homosexual that accepts Jesus, Warren responded enthusiastically.
“He’s going to Heaven!” he declared. “Without a doubt.”
Warren is not the first evangelical to make the assertion, however. Earlier this year, megachurch author and speaker Joel Osteen similarly told popular talk show host Oprah that he also believes homosexuals are saved.
“Will a gay person be accepted into heaven, as you see it?,” Oprah asked Osteen. “I believe they will,” he replied.
Craig Gross of “XXXChurch” also made statements in July that he doesn’t think God would send homosexuals to Hell.
“Why do they (religious people) believe that the gay guy goes to Hell, but the fat preacher who builds some of the largest churches in the world makes it to Heaven?” Gross wrote in an online blog.
However, many Christians view statements such as these as compromise against the word of God.
“The concept of a ‘gay Christian’ is an oxymoron in light of numerous Scriptural instances wherein homosexual behavior is forbidden,” Alex Mason, policy analyst for the Family Policy Network, told Christian News Network. “One cannot live in a continual state of unrepentant sexual sin while calling themselves a Christian.”
“That’s not to say Christians can’t struggle with sin, including sexual sin,” he continued. “The Christian life as a constant struggle against sin, and just as some Christians struggle to defeat heterosexual lust, others may struggle to defeat homosexual lusts.”
Peter LaBarbera, the president of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, agreed. He stated that he was shocked at Rick Warren’s comments.
“You don’t want to give the impression that it’s fine and dandy to live the homosexual lifestyle and as long as I believe in Jesus, I can still go to Heaven,” he said. “It’s one thing to have attractions and [fight] that, [and another to embrace homosexual behavior].”
Mason, whose ministry operates the website HopeForHomosexuals.com, stated that Warren should have explained his beliefs further, so as not to jeopardize the eternity of valuable souls.
“Warren failed to define what it means to ‘accept Christ,’ leaving viewers with the notion that a person can simply express a ‘belief’ in Jesus’ existence without turning away from the sins He died to atone,” he lamented.
“When you accept Christ, your behavior changes,” LaBarbera said. “And the attitude is [people like Warren] don’t want to talk about changes. … We know that God changes homosexuals, so why isn’t Rick Warren saying that?”
LaBarbera also told Christian News Network that he thinks Warren is treading into very dangerous territory by insinuating that the issue of homosexual behavior is a grey area.
“What part of Romans 1 doesn’t Rick Warren understand? It’s so clear,” he said. “When you make statements like these, you end up losing the Biblical sense, and the Biblical sense is that this is an abomination.”
Mason agreed, and outlined that sin needs to be taken seriously by those who wear the name of Christ.
“Christians should not, for one moment, hesitate when asked about behaviors that Scripture clearly calls sinful,” he said. “It is impossible for anyone to legitimize or make holy what God Himself has called unholy.”
“The Apostle Paul did not hesitate to faithfully echo God’s standards in his letter to the Corinthians, wherein he included a long list of sins that will keep people from the kingdom of God, including the sin of homosexuality,” Mason continued, citing 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. “Modern preachers would do well to follow Paul’s example in condemning that which God has condemned, while also proclaiming that the only hope for sinners  – homosexual and heterosexual alike — is faith in Jesus Christ: ‘All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.’”
LaBarbera said that Warren should not only have called homosexual behavior sin, but should have gone deeper to the root issue.
“It’s also sinful to lust after another man,” LaBarbera said. “We can’t advocate sin as believers, and we have to think about how that the person that’s struggling with homosexuality is going to hear this.”
“There is no Biblical basis for his statements,” he added. “I think Rick Warren needs to retract that ['might be'] statement and clarify it. If he does not retract it, he has fallen into error.”
“Rick Warren has a heart for lost souls, but he seems fearful he’ll offend people he could otherwise lead to salvation by telling the truth about their sin. That may indicate an inadequate faith in God’s sovereignty, or a failure to fully believe God’s Word has the power to transform lives,” Mason concluded. “I pray he’ll find the courage to be just as determined to be the salt of the earth as he is to be a light to the world.”
Requests for comment were not returned by Saddleback Church.


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Warren is a hero to many "conservative" Lutherans because his congregation is large.
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Surely, Warren is off his rocker. That is no surprise And, need anything be said of Osteen, as well?

It is easy for them to say that a person is principally damned because they have [already] rejected the grace of God. But, is that as deep as they can (theologically think)? Can't they witness and understand the progression that is laid out in Romans 1:18-32? And, then a corollary Scripture is Galatians 5:19-21. Don't they understand that these lifestyle sins are the outright workings of rejecting the grace of God?

"Why Divine Revelation (Scripture) condemns homosexuality. Why homosexual activists become so upset when their lifestyle is called into question:"

http://www.thechristianmessage.org/2011/05/why-divine-revelation-scriptures.html


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