Saturday, March 23, 2013

Higher Education Meltdown Reaching Seminaries Too

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The Pentagon has stopped funding or subsidizing the continuing education of their troops due to the 2013 Sequester. An even more important bit of news is the US Congress is trying to make colleges and universities stop committing fraud of the US taxpayer. How so? Often when a student transfers, one school does not accept the credits of another school, even when the first school is accredited and disburses federal student aid and grants, such as Pell Grants. Either the first school is committing fraud by not keeping to the necessary standards, or the second school is committing fraud by making the student take the course twice for frivolous reasons. Legislators not that non-transfer of credits is one reason the average full-time student is taking in excess of 5 years now to obtain a 4-year degrees, and 3 years to obtain a 2-year Associates degree! Graduate schools are also lengthening student stays in order to pad their bills, and students are over a barrel so they either sign on for more federal loans, or abandon the quest for a degree. The latter happens all too often, politicians note, and one can't blame the student most of the time, since the effort and money poured out by the students who drop out used to be sufficient to obtain the degrees only a generation ago. In 2012 Democrats proposed legislation requiring schools to accept transfer credits or else face sanctions, but the lobbyists for colleges intervened so the bill remains dormant. Also, Obama has a separate effort meant to penalize schools that raise prices faster than inflation:

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Stopping the clock: Colleges under fire over transfer credits that don't count:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/22/17403973-stopping-the-clock-colleges-under-fire-over-transfer-credits-that-dont-count?lite

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Making college affordable: five ways that states, schools are trying to help

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Education/2012/0719/Making-college-affordable-five-ways-that-states-schools-are-trying-to-help/Streamline-transfers-from-community-colleges

House Democrats introduced the Transferring Credits for College Completion Act of 2012 this week to try to broaden that approach. The bill would make transfer information more transparent and require that all public institutions that receive federal aid allow students to count an associate’s degree as the first two years of a related four-year degree in the same state.

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Military halts popular tuition assistance to save money

http://www.thestate.com/2013/03/14/2674837/military-halts-popular-tuition.html

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GJ - As shown on earlier posts, seminary education takes much longer than needed. An accredited MDiv should be much shorter in length, by national standards. The seminaries make the stay longer to absorb much tuition money and keep more synod drones employed.

I think LCMS has the only accredited MDivs, but those are worthless outside of the sect. Someone with $100,000 to spend on an MDiv should go to Yale or another school where the degree will lead to an executive position.

As many know, graduating from a SynCon seminary has little to do with obtaining a call or even staying in the ministry. The hire and fire mentality starts at the top with the DPs.

Missouri will fail a guy in his vicarage, prevent him from repeating that year, and exclude him from finishing the degree. Besides that, the vicarage year is simply invented, not required for the degree (by national standards) and costly in terms of wages lost.