Sunday, August 18, 2013

What Is Really Going on at the CORE?
You Will Never Learn from the Videos


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Your Cathedral Has Real Possibilities - For the Papists.
The McCain Circle Can Sinuflect to Rome This Way

"Listen to me, Mark, and all this will be yours.
Mark - the papists stole our cathedral."


Renovation of Crystal Cathedral praised as Christ-centered :: Catholic News Agency (CNA):

.- Under the motto “from Crystal to Christocentric,” southern California's famous Crystal Cathedral is undergoing a renovation that the local bishop calls “a thorough Christological transformation.”

The world's great cathedrals “are designed to bring the light of God to people’s daily life; the cathedral is a place that draws, welcomes, calls, and sends forth at the same time,” said Bishop Kevin W. Vann of the Diocese of Orange.
“This is the goal of the Christ Cathedral: being at the same time a place for the exercise of the spiritual and corporal works of mercy,” he remarked Aug. 2 at the Napa Institute Conference – the theme of which was “Building a Catholic Culture.”

The Orange diocese purchased the 3,000-seat Crystal Cathedral in February of 2012 from the Protestant church which founded it. The architectural landmark is made from over 10,000 panes of glass, and its interior must be renovated to make it suitable for Catholic worship.

“Building a cathedral is a challenge and an opportunity,” Bishop Vann said, who went on to explain that  a cathedral must express the unity of the local Church and the centrality of the ministry of the bishop, especially in his role in the sanctification of his people.

Bishop Vann said that numerous aspects of the current building, including its central location in Orange, its easy access by public transportation, and a vast space to foster community, contribute to accomplish the goal of making the cathedral the very center of the spiritual life of the local Church.

Tim Busch, co-chair of the financial committee assured that “we will redesign the main building to comply with our Catholic liturgical tradition and needs. It will be a demanding challenge, but one we are seriously committed to.”

Since being acquired by Orange diocese, the building has been re-named Christ Cathedral.
Cindy Bobruk, executive director of the Orange Catholic Foundation, said that it will be “a cathedral that becomes a beacon of Catholic culture, Catholic education,  and evangelization.”

The future cathedral contains the fourth largest church organ in the world, valued at $25 million. It is due to be dismantled and shipped to Italy for renovation, and then re-installed.

The Crystal Cathedral campus consists of seven building on 34 acres, and will have room for several permanent fixtures, including a school, space for cultural events, and place for prayer and Eucharistic Adoration. 
It will house the diocesan chancery, which will be established on the property by October.

The oldest building on the campus, known as the “Arboretum,” was the first to be renovated. It was brought to conformity with current safety and building standards. The renovation, which included a new air conditioning system, was completed in 150 days.

The campus was purchased for $57.5 million under Bishop Vann's predecessor, Bishop Tod Brown. The purchase was made after Crystal Cathedral had filed for bankruptcy in Oct., 2010 when some of its creditors sued for payment.

The Orange diocese is the tenth most populous in the U.S., home to some 1.2 million Catholics.

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Twelfth Sunday after Trinity. Mark 7:31-37.
Healing of the Deaf Mute.

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The Twelfth Sunday after Trinity. 2013


Pastor Gregory L. Jackson


Bethany Lutheran Church, 10 AM Central Time


The Hymn #462               I Love Thy Kingdom             4:21
The Confession of Sins
The Absolution
The Introit p. 16
The Gloria Patri
The Kyrie p. 17
The Gloria in Excelsis
The Salutation and Collect p. 19
The Epistle and Gradual       
The Gospel              
Glory be to Thee, O Lord!
Praise be to Thee, O Christ!
The Nicene Creed             p. 22
The Sermon Hymn #123                O God Our Help            4:3 

Faith in Jesus Christ

The Communion Hymn # 304 An Awful Mystery            4:6 
The Preface p. 24
The Sanctus p. 26
The Lord's Prayer p. 27
The Words of Institution
The Agnus Dei p. 28
The Nunc Dimittis p. 29
The Benediction p. 31
The Hymn #  376     Rock of Ages                                   4:47

KJV 2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

KJV Mark 7:31 And again, departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, he came unto the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis. 32 And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech; and they beseech him to put his hand upon him. 33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue; 34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened. 35 And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain. 36 And he charged them that they should tell no man: but the more he charged them, so much the more a great deal they published it; 37 And were beyond measure astonished, saying, He hath done all things well: he maketh both the deaf to hear, and the dumb to speak.

Twelfth Sunday After Trinity

Almighty and everlasting God, who hast created all things: We thank Thee that Thou hast given us sound bodies, and hast graciously preserved our tongues and other members from the power of the adversary: We beseech Thee, grant us Thy grace, that we may rightly use our ears and tongues; help us to hear Thy word diligently and devoutly, and with our tongues so to praise and magnify Thy grace, that no one shall be offended by our words, but that all may be edified thereby, through Thy beloved Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Ghost, one true God, world without end. Amen.



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Faith in Jesus Christ – Works Follow

KJV Mark 7:31 And again, departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, he came unto the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis. 32 And they bring unto him one that was deaf, and had an impediment in his speech; and they beseech him to put his hand upon him.

This is a simple Gospel miracle, but like all the Scriptural texts, it is full of lessons for us, especially since all parts of the Bible are linked to each other. They teach the same truth with complete consistency.

First there is the example of faith. Those who believed in Christ, heard about His power, or even witnessed His miracles, brought their friend to Jesus.

 

This shows both faith and love. They trusted in the power and compassion of Christ, so in love they wanted to have their friend benefit from a healing miracle.

This is one aspect of faith in Christ, that there is no difference between that living faith and the action taken. They cannot give their faith to this man, but they can bring him into the presence of Christ.

When Luther preached about this, he mentioned the fantastic myth that people could donate their good works to someone to save that person. That is still being taught today in Roman Catholicism. The basis for indulgences is the claim that the pope has the keys to all the merits of the saints. He can dispense some time off Purgatory, unleashing some of those merits (and his own). Or, someone can donate all his merits in a great sacrifice. I believe that is considered a good work in itself, so the tank would not be empty in terms of eventual forgiveness.

As silly as Medieval customs and dogmas can seem, other notions sprout up in the absence of faith in the Means of Grace. Those concepts are always rooted in works rather than God’s grace. And they must be, because departing from God’s grace will inevitably lead to man’s trust in himself, in his works.

People now stress how sorry they are, as if depth of sorrow can make up for a sin. Or they say, “I will make it up to you.” Luther has written, “No sin is so great that it cannot be forgiven. No merit is so great that it can remove a single small sin.” Apart from trust in Christ as our Savior, forgiveness is not possible.

We cannot give faith to someone, and we cannot force faith on another person. Both ideas come from trust in ourselves. But we do know that faith comes from hearing the preached Word, Romans 10. Therefore, we can make the Word available and think in terms of the Word of God’s grace at all times.

In our families we can teach and practice the Gospel, knowing the Gospel will always have an effect.

33 And he took him aside from the multitude, and put his fingers into his ears, and he spit, and touched his tongue;

The rationalists pounce on this verse and make it a magic act. They show no understanding of the context or human nature. This man could not hear, although that is usually not a 100% loss. Blindness is similar. If he could hear a little, crowd noise would be very distracting. So would the interest and gestures of others who did not know him.

When Jesus took him aside, it allowed this to happen in relative quiet. The physical gestures (touching the ears, spitting, touching the tongue) were for the deaf man, to understand that his ears and tongue would be healed.

We know that Jesus did not need to touch anyone to heal that person. In fact, the centurion confessed his complete trust in the Word of Christ. “Simply say the Word and he will be healed.”

The rationalists always mock the signs God gives us because of our weakness. Why does God need water for baptism and bread and wine for communion? I wonder how many of these skeptics have diplomas hanging in their offices and awards hanging on the walls. They do not need them. They have the awards – why a physical sign?

I told online students they would get a jpg in their email for graduation. Some took me seriously and became upset. They wanted a real diploma, not a picture. But what does that matter?

The Old Testament is full of actual signs of God’s work, from the rainbow after the Flood to the manna (bread of life) from heaven. These signs are connected so much to daily life that we should be reminded constantly of God’s grace. We wash and satisfy our thirst for water. We celebrate the birth of children. We bake and eat bread. We drink wine.

To show that God cares for each and every individual, Jesus displayed His special compassion on this man, taking care to heal him in a peaceful and understanding way.

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34 And looking up to heaven, he sighed, and saith unto him, Ephphatha, that is, Be opened. 35 And straightway his ears were opened, and the string of his tongue was loosed, and he spake plain.

Sighing showed the man that this healing was coming from God. This does not show that his speech was due to no hearing. He had both a hearing disability and a physical speech disability.

He really needed his mouth to speak and his ears to hear. This is an important reminder of how Christianity grows among us. It is a mouth religion, as Luther once said. Although some might be converted by the written Word of God, the chief form of giving the Gospel to others is through speaking it.

When church executive types wonder how they can reach various groups of people, I ask myself if any of them step outside their palatial offices. I walk around our neighborhood each day. Our peaceful area has Mexicans, whites, Blacks, Asians, and all religions and age groups. It is assumed in the South that strangers are friendly anywhere they meet, so it is not a sin to start a conversation with anyone. With three legs, Sassy starts a lot of conversations. Now people call out her name and she runs up to them. Ironically, one man is hard of hearing, so he calls her Sadie, and she wiggles up to him with great warmth and love.

Luther:

11. He addresses here particularly two organs of the body, the ear and the tongue; for you know the Kingdom of Christ is founded upon the Word, which cannot be apprehended or understood except by these two organs, the ear and the tongue, and he rules in the hearts of men alone by the Word and by faith. The ears apprehend the Word, the heart believes it; the tongue, however, speaks or confesses that which the heart believes. Hence, barring the tongue and ears, there is no perceptible difference between the Kingdom of Christ and that of the world.

12. For in regard to the outward life a Christian has duties like an unbeliever; he tills the ground, works his fields, and plows just like others, and he undertakes no peculiar work or deed, either in eating, drinking, working, sleeping, or anything else. But these two organs of the body make a difference between a Christian and an unbeliever; a Christian speaks and hears differently; he has a tongue which praises the grace of God and preaches Christ the Lord as being the only Savior, etc. This the world does not do; it speaks of avarice and other vices, preaches and praises its own glory.

13. In like manner the ears of both differ. A Christian’s ears have the same Word which the tongue preaches, and the heart believes; but the world prefers to hear one speak of her wisdom, understanding, honor and glory.

The ears and tongues of Christians are thus different from the ears and tongues of the world, or of unbelievers, caring nought for silver or gold, but only for that which is said of Christ, and how to speak and preach Christ.

Hospitality is the way Christianity was introduced to the world. People took Christ with them when they were invited to the homes of others. They shared Christ through the Word. When they were welcomed, their hosts were welcoming Christ. When they were persecuted, people were persecuting Christ, not them.
What Lutherans have stopped teaching is simple – the Word in its manifestations conveys Christ to people. When they are in the presence of Christ, there is always an effect.

  • Sometimes they are agitated until they study the Word enough to have faith.
  • They may be confused about an issue and find resolution for that problem.
  • Many reject the Word with a host of excuses, but they are rejecting Christ.

Heretics like Rob Bell pare Jesus down to “Love” and try to promote that as the real Christian faith. Many have done that before. But Jesus taught people to believe in Him and remain faithful to the Word.

Popular heretics like Bell seem to be teaching – forget the tree, just have plenty of apples. That seems new and exciting to some, so they flock to hear more.

What the Word brings us is Christ Himself – He is present and active in teaching us what He did then and continues to do now. He is active in teaching us to trust in Him rather than ourselves.

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 Quotations


"Nowhere in the bible is any man constituted or declared righteous without faith, before faith; all asservations and argumentations to the contrary nothwithstanding." 
Lenski, Romans, p. 382? 
Rick Nicholas Curia, The Significant History of the Doctrine of Objective or Universal Justification, Alpine, California: California Pastoral Conference, WELS. January 24-25, 1983. p. 86.

"For neither you nor I could ever know anything of Christ, or believe on Him, and obtain Him for our Lord, unless it were offered to us and granted to our hearts by the Holy Ghost through the preaching of the Gospel. The work is done and accomplished; for Christ has acquired and gained the treasure for us by His suffering, death, resurrection, etc. But if the work remained concealed so that no one knew of it, then it would be in vain and lost. That this treasure, therefore, might not lie buried, but be appropriated and enjoyed, God has caused the Word to go forth and be proclaimed, in which He gives the Holy Ghost to bring this treasure home and appropriate it to us. Therefore sanctifying is nothing else than bringing us to Christ to receive this good, to which could not attain ourselves."
The Large Catechism, The Creed, Article III, #38, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 689.   

"But outside of this Christian Church, where the Gospel is not, there is no forgiveness, as also there can be no holiness [sanctification]. Therefore all who seek and wish to merit holiness [sanctification], not through the Gospel and forgiveness of sin, but by their works, have expelled and severed themselves [from this Church]."
The Large Catechism, The Creed, Article III, #56, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 693.          

"The second argument is that 'God desires all men to be saved' (1 Timothy 2:4), and He gave His Son for us men and created man for eternal life. Likewise: All things exist for man, and he himself exists for God that he may enjoy Him, etc. These points and others like them can be refuted as easily as the first one. For these verses must always be understood as pertaining to the elect only, as the apostle says in 2 Timothy 2:10 'everything for the sake of the elect.' For in an absolute sense Christ did not die for all, because He says: 'This is My blood which is poured out for you' and 'for many'--He does not say: for all--'for the forgiveness of sins.' (Mark 14:24; Matthew 26:28) Martin Luther, Luther's Works, 25 p. 375. 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Timothy 2:4; Mark 14:24; Matthew 26:28      

"In like manner Moses must precede and teach people to feel their sins in order that grace may be sweet and welcome to them. Therefore all is in vain, however friendly and lovely Christ may be pictured, if man is not first humbled by a knowledge of himself and he possesses no longing for Christ, as Mary's Song says, 'The hungry he hath filled with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away,' Luke 1:53."
Martin Luther, Sermons of Martin Luther, ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, II, p. 149. Matthew 15:21-28; Luke 1:53     

"The apostle says 'our,' 'our sins;' not his own sin, not the sins of unbelievers. Purification is not for, and cannot profit, him who does not believe. Nor did Christ effect the cleansing by our free-will, our reason or power, our works, our contrition or repentance, these all being worthless in the sight of God; he effects it by himself. And how? By taking our sins upon himself on the holy cross, as Isaiah 53:6 tells us." Martin Luther, Sermons of Martin Luther, ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VI, p. 180. Hebrews 1:1-12; Hebrews 1:3;     

"Christ is speaking here not of the word of the law, but of the Gospel, which is a discourse about Christ, who died for our sins, etc. For God did not wish to impart Christ to the world in any other way; he had to embody him in the Word and thus distributed him, and present him to everybody; otherwise Christ would have existed for himself alone and remained unknown to us; he would have thus died for himself. But since the Word places before us Christ, it thus places us before Him who has triumphed over death, sin, and Satan. Therefore, he who grasps and retains Christ, has thus also eternal deliverance from death. Consequently it is a Word of life, and it is true, that whoever keeps the Word shall never see death." Martin Luther, Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, II, p. 177. John 8:46-59. 

"To this incline your ears, and be persuaded that God speaks through men and forgives you your sins; this, of course, requires faith." Martin Luther, Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed. John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983 II, p. 200. "If I do not believe it, I will not receive its benefits; but that neither renders it false nor proves that anything is lacking in Christ." Martin Luther, Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, II, p. 258. Mark 16:1-8.         

"It is a faithful saying that Christ has accomplished everything, has removed sin and overcome every enemy, so that through Him we are lords over all things. But the treasure lies yet in one pile; it is not yet distributed nor invested. Consequently, if we are to possess it, the Holy Spirit must come and teach our hearts to believe and say: I, too, am one of those who are to have this treasure. When we feel that God has thus helped us and given the treasure to us, everything goes well, and it cannot be otherwise than that man's heart rejoices in God and lifts itself up, saying: Dear Father, if it is Thy will to show toward me such great love and faithfulness, which I cannot fully fathom, then will I also love Thee with all my heart and be joyful, and cheerfully do what pleases Thee. Thus, the heart does not now look at God with evil eyes, does not imagine He will cast us into hell, as it did before the HS came...." Martin Luther, Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, III, p. 279. John 14:23-31.         

"All who are born into the world of man and woman are sinful under God's anger and curse, condemned to death. For all are conceived and born in sin as Scripture testifies (Psalm 51:5): 'Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.'" Martin Luther, Sermons of Martin Luther, The House Postils, 3 vols., ed., Eugene Klug, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1996, II, p. 26. Luke 24:13-35; Psalm 51:5       

"The 'rod of His mouth' signifies the spoken Word or the Gospel, which proceeds from the mouth of all whose teaching is pure. It is not inefficacious; it bears fruit; it justifies the godly and destroys the ungodly." [Footnote F. Pieper, Dogmatics, Word of God has twofold effect. It illumines and blinds. I, p. 125.] Martin Luther, What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed. Ewald M. Plass St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, III, p. 1469. Isaiah 11:4      

"Christ did indeed suffer for the whole world; but how many are there who believe and cherish this fact? Therefore, although the work of redemption itself has been accomplished, it still cannot help and benefit a man unless he believes it and experiences its saving power in his heart." Martin Luther, What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, II, p. 705f.        

Reconcile This with UOJ - Universal Absolution without Faith



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11. Now this I say, that you may know how far the faith of others may be of use to us, and how your own faith can help you. Other people’s merits will help you to attain a merit of your own, and nothing more. And though all the angels, yea, the mercy of God itself, were ready to stand for you, it would avail you nothing, unless you cleave unto it with a faith of your own. But it may effect this, that it will assist you to obtain a faith of your own, which will help you. Furthermore, even if Christ did die for us, and pledged and gave his body and life, blood and flesh for us, and became our advocate; yet it would avail nothing, unless we believe in him. But he can assist us in this way, that he appears before the Father and says: “O Father, this have I done for mankind; do thou give them faith, in order that they may enjoy it.” This then, will help us, if we feel assured that his works and merit are our own. In the same manner one should also speak of the other saints, that no saint’s intercession and merit avail unless we ourselves believe. You observe this also in our lesson. There lies the poor man, unable either to speak or to hear. They who bring him to the Lord can speak and hear. But they cannot make him speak by their hearing and speaking, and even though they all had come near him and said: “We will speak and hear for you”; yet he would, in spite of this, have remained speechless and deaf continually, and would never have been able to speak.

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18. This we see in our text. These people approach the Lord in strong confidence, praying for the poor man, and their prayer is also heard. In the same manner, when baptism is performed we see this take place in the children’s faith. There are the infants, bare and naked in body and soul, having neither faith nor works. Then the Christian Church comes forward and prays, that God would pour faith into the child; not that our faith should help the child, but that it may obtain a faith of its own. If it has faith, then after that whatever it does is well done, whether it suckle its mother’s breast, or whether it soil itself, or whatever it may please to do. But if it does not obtain faith, our faith is of no value to the child.

19. Therefore my faith can help you in no way except that it may assist you to obtain a faith of your own. Hence, to sum up all, everything depends upon personal faith, as strong as it is, so much does it need the faith and prayer of other people in order to increase in strength. 

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Oh my - how these sects avoid this topic.
They preach their own holiness instead.


GJ - The ELCA, LCMS, WELS, and ELS work together so well because they disbelieve the same things. There is a great show of rejecting other Lutheran groups, the very ones that routinely sit down to steal millions from the faithful, rejecting justification by faith.

Perhaps the LCMC and NALC will reclaim the efficacy of the Word in the Means of Grace, but nothing so far promotes optimism. They now adore the slightly less Leftist leaders (like Carl Braaten) who led ELCA into the wilderness via Bultmann, Tillich, and other phonies.

The sects above began with Stage Four Pietism, since all the groups were spawned by Halle University and the Zinzendorf style mission societies, where doctrinal differences were set aside for mutual cooperation. 

Pietism began with a return to the Bible, but quickly became rationalistic from its rejection of doctrinal fidelity. St. Paul never wrote to the Galatians, "Why can't we just get along?"

Cell groups, under various names, are promoted in Pietism as good, spiritual, and essential for the Church, but these toxic conventicles reject Word and Sacrament, clinging to any wacko dogma that comes along. The cell group leader is more like the guru of Hinduism, who can demand anything of his or her subordinates and expect unquestioning obedience.

Thus the Pietistic founder of the LCMS, Martin Stephan, demanded abject submission from all his pastoral disciples (Walther, et al), and expected sexual services from his young female groupies. It was all fun and games until the unmarried girls caught syphilis from His Holiness. Then the lying pastoral associates, who ignored the obvious adultery, had to make up a new deception and proclaim, "Two women confessed adultery! Off with his head!" To sustain this myth, the Missouri Synod and its confederates have lied ever since.


Kicked Out (Wink, Wink) - Welcomed Back with Apologies - A Few Years Later

From left to right: Rev. Dawn Roginski, Rev. Sharon Stalkfleet, Rev. Ross Merkel, Rev. Steve Sabin, Rev. Paul Brenner, Rev. Jeff Johnson. Not pictured: Rev. Craig Minich, Rev. Megan Rohrer. [GJ - These ministers were officially kicked out by ELCA, but remained in good standing until welcomed back.]

From left to right: Bp. Wilma Kucharek, Bp Marie Jerge, Bp Ann Svennungsen, Bp Jessica Crist -Chair of the Conference of Bishops, Bp Suzanne Dillahunt, Bp Shelly Wickstrom, Bp Elizabeth Eaton, Bp Tracie Bartholomew Bp Claire Burkat — with Wilma KucharekMarie Jerge,Ann SvennungsenJessica CristSzanne Dillahunt,Shelly WickstromElizabeth EatonTracie Bartholomewand Claire Burkat.

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Susan Johnson became the Canadian Presiding Bishop
of ELCIC, or ELCA North, a few years ago.
The Agenda has torn apart ELCIC too.
She began as a staffer for the Eastern Canada Synod, LCA,
which was organized as an orthodox-Pietist hybrid.


Writer for The Lutheran Magazine Says This about the 2013 ELCA Convention

The new Presiding Bishop of ELCA, Elizabeth Eaton,
hugged the man she replaced, Mark Hanson.


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Re: Elizabeth Eaton: "It Was A Call, Not An Election"
« Reply #61 on: Yesterday at 04:44:28 AM »
My glasses are clear.

No one, repeat no one at the Assembly made any angry noises about the decisions of 2009. Bishop-elect Erwin was present. And Presiding Bishop Hanson's leadership was continually and frequently applauded. 

Mr. Erdner needs to be reminded that absolutely nothing said or done during the Assembly in Pittsburgh changes any of the things that he has been howling about here for years, unless his real animus is some hatred of Presiding Bishop Hanson as a person.
We remain a denomination in which partnered gay and lesbian people can be pastors and bishop. We remain a denomination that is socially on the moderate to liberal side of issues. We remain a denomination where there is an assumed (and constitutionally mandated) connection between congregation, synod and national church. We remain a congregation where a moderate to liberal interpretation of scripture prevails over a conservative to fundamentalist interpretation. Although we have some newly-elected bishops, the majority of our bishops are those who have led their synods for the past four years or more.

So unless Mr. Erdner just abhors a man named Mark Hanson, everything he says he dislikes about the ELCA remains in place.



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Re: Elizabeth Eaton: "It Was A Call, Not An Election"
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Actually there are some in the "anti-CCM" crowd, as you put it, who would find it only interesting. If memory serves Dr Mark Menacher is married to an Episcopal Priest (or at least an Episcopalian). Dr Menacher is about as rabid "anti-CCM" as one can get. ;)
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For clarification, Mrs. Menacher is trained as a solicitor, which is the counterpart to barristers in the English legal system.  Her church of origin is the Church in Wales, which is Anglican.  Mrs. Menacher is a member of St. Luke's Lutheran Church in La Mesa, CA.  Whereas I have significant theological and ethical concerns about the grand deception perpetrated in Called to Common Mission (CCM), which are well documented, if I had some irrational aversion to "Anglicans," then I would be sleeping with the enemy, as it were.

That Elizabeth Eaton considers her election to be a call may not be all too questionable.  When she, however, assumes her place in the ELCA's ill-gotten "hysteric episcopate," she will boldly confess her allegiance to an ecclesial corporation which brings disgrace to Luther and to the Reformation wrought by his efforts.

As a reminder, Philip Melanchthon in 1539 wrote,

“This testimony is cited by one, so that it will be thought firstly what the church might be, and the spirit is separated from the carnal opinions, which imagine the church to be a state of bishops and bind it to the orderly succession of bishops, as the empires consist of the orderly succession of princes.  But the church maintains itself differently.  Actually, it is a union not bound to the orderly succession but to the Word of God.”(1)

Similarly, in 1541 Luther himself stated,

“In the church, the succession of bishops does not make a bishop, but the Lord alone is our bishop” (WA 53: 74).(2)

Perhaps all that "laying-on-of-hands" with the Episcopal Church helped lead the ELCA to the decisions made at its 2009 Corporationwide Assembly when the ELCA's institutional narcissism conformed itself to individual, sexual narcissism.

At any rate, Ms. Eaton has been elected or called by the same mechanism which has boldly disavowed the ELCA's adherence to Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions.  Unfortunately, the ELCA's abandonment of Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions starkly represents just another woeful manifestation of the bondage of the will, which may be the ELCA's only honest affiliation with Luther and Lutheran theology.

Mark Menacher

1.  Melanchthons Werke in Auswahl, ed. Robert Stupperich (Gütersloh: Gerd Mohn, 1951), 1: 330, 16-23

2.  WA = D. Martin Luthers Werke, Weimarer Ausgabe (WA), (Weimar: Herman Böhlaus Nachfolger) [WA = Weimar Edition of Dr. Martin Luther’s Works].

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GJ - I enjoy the myth-making at church conventions. They explain why so many bad things happen. The new ELCA myth is that Eaton was completely shocked that she became the new head of ELCA, replacing a man with two terms. Thus, "the Holy Spirit made this decision for us."

WELS plays this game, too, pretending not to be intensely political. However, one insider told  me that when Mark Schroeder was first elected, "Mark had all the votes before it started." By the way - everyone kept me in the dark, lest my opinions would spoil their chances. As it turns out, Schroeder has done everything Wayne Mueller would have ordered, if not more.

Eaton did not become bishop accidentally. There are unwritten rules in the ELCA too. Some things must be done. Others must be avoided at all costs.

Nine women bishops of ELCA.


All nine women bishops are pro-abortion feminists who support gay ordination/marriage as "a matter of justice." Did the male bishops pose together for a solidarity photo? No, but the female bishops did.

The ordination of women and the quota system have served as powerful tools to give the extreme Left exactly what they wanted in ELCA.

No one dares question the Leftward lurches in ELCA, just as no one questions the relentless WELS-LCMS quest to emulate ELCA.