Monday, December 9, 2013

Second ALPB Meltdown over Walther

Someone questioned Walther, Braaten, and Jenson!?
http://www.alpb.org/forum/index.php?topic=5300.105

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Re: Walther
« Reply #106 on: Today at 09:38:42 PM »
Good  grief! What foolishness. let's hear some other people on this forum speak of Dr Braaten and Dr Jenson. or do we let foolishness have the last word?

Calm yourself. Or if you wish, Google "Braaten" "Jenson" "apostasy". You will find entries going back to 2007 for a blog called ichabod-something or other, written by someone named Gregory Jackson, who may be the same as GregoryLJackson. Otherwise, you won't find those three words together except in an entry for a book Braaten and Jenson wrote that mentions apostasy. In other words, Pr. Jackson has a long-running single-handed animosity toward those two theologians. He has expressed himself long, vigorously, and frequently, but may not have made many converts. Let him alone.

Peace,
Michael


I am hardly alone in questioning the fidelity of Braaten and Jenson, but they are clearly in the style of this little discussion group.


I have some good information from a dissertation on Walther and the Synodical Conference. It can be found here -


http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2013/12/dr-cruz-discovers-dissertation-walther.html


The dissertation clearly explains how the Synodical Conference has fallen for relying on the work of Walther and making an idol out of every word he ever put into print. Some moan today that the Great Walther is not published completely in English.


Hoenecke, who was far better in theology, tended to look down on Walther as a religious journalist, according to Fuerbringer.


The people who want to call themselves confessional Lutherans never confess the doctrine of Luther at all.


The motley assembly of confessions, sects, and cults on this group blog should admit that they have one thing in common, the unifying creed of the Synodical Conference and ELCA - universal absolution without faith.


I dare not say Unitarianism or Universalism. Those bonded brothers are honest about their unbeliefs. Here - not.


Dr. Cruz Discovers a Dissertation - Walther Was Not the Ultimate Theologian

As Zion on the Mississippi points out, the ladies' "confession of adultery with Stephan"
was bogus, and the clergy admitted later they knew about their bishop's promiscuity.


Dr. Lito Cruz, an essential part of Team Ichabod, has been sending me material about Walther tonight. The research brings up matters that others have discussed (in hushed tones) in the past.

Here is the link to the dissertation:

http://uir.unisa.ac.za/bitstream/handle/10500/1608/thesis.pdf?sequence=1

Below are some comments from Dr. Cruz -

I was looking at Walther's teaching on Church and Ministry. I stumbled on this thesis 

The author of this thesis is pro-Walther yet I find it strange he did not cast suspicion on Walther's theological method.

It must be Waltherolatry.

LPC


According to A. Pieper, dissertation, p 46...

Not only did Walther use terms that were readily misunderstood by others, but another cause for 
his naevi [faults], according to his student August Pieper, was that Walther depended too heavily on the secondary sources of theology, i.e., Luther and the lesser fathers. In spite of all his  emphasis on Scripture, there can be no denying this. Although Walther was a great, and a very talented leader, he was a poor, even an inferior exegete. He had only an average knowledge of the original biblical languages. Frequently he would cite dozens of Bible passages merely because  Luther and the dogmaticians had done so. Yet these passages did not prove what they were supposed to prove. Although very eager to express himself on matters, he failed to recognize that his position was based on translations and not on the original text. Thus, he could say something as if it were doctrinally true, but without a firm scriptural basis. Over all, the knowledge of Scripture that Walther had was more an intimate acquaintance with Luther’s Bible and knowledge of certain passages rather than knowledge of the whole line of thought of a biblical book and of the original text.

Also p. 47-

According to the author


Walther built his theology more heavily on the writings of Luther and his faithful followers than even Walther would admit. This is evident from his entire way of doing theology. This characteristic appears in all his doctrinal books, papers, and essays. “His dogmatics textbook consists entirely of material taken over from others.” The method that Walther used was understandable at a time in which there was searching for true Lutheranism, and it also fully corresponded with Walther’s  spiritual development. Another reason that is frequently cited for his use of this format is that he realized how inadequate his knowledge of Scripture and doctrine really was in comparison with Luther and Chemnitz, Gerhard and Calov, thus in all modesty he was afraid of going astray in even the smallest point of doctrine.49 
Walther was a great leader and the Lutheran Church benefited much from his leadership, still no matter how justified Walther’s method of citing Luther and the Lutheran dogmaticians might have been in the beginning, it was wrong both in principle and in practice. The problem was that unlike Luther, who stressed the Bible and the study of the Bible, Walther’s positions neither rested directly on Scripture nor did they lead one directly into it. Instead he strongly stressed, to the extreme, the importance of Luther and the Lutheran Confessions and the Lutheran fathers, and certainly much more than he cited God’s Word. Utilizing this format Walther led people to think that the matter under discussion or being presented had been established sufficiently by the quotations from Luther and the fathers; therefore it was unnecessary to study Scripture. This format actually hampered people in their use and study of the Bible. And eventually, it has come to the point where the citation theologians not only quote Luther and the old fathers but now they have also included Walther and others as proof of the doctrinal stand. As pastors, theologians, and theological students took up the study of doctrinal maters in subsequent years the subject of study was not as much a study of the Bible as it was a study of old synodical reports and conference and  convention essays. And now quotations from these, not the Bible, are frequently used to support doctrinal positions.50 

In other words, LutherQuest (sic) and the ALPB Online Forum suffer from a debilitating flaw - 

Instead of accepting the limitations of CFW Walther, BA, Pietist, they make him out to be the greatest theologian of all time.

Therefore, anyone who questions the Great Walther, as he is named on a statue in Missouri, is by definition a rogue, a maggot, and a leper.


Myth versus Fact about CFW Walther

Forster's vast research reveals the true nature of the
Saxon migration that became the LCMS.
He was trained in the Missouri Synod and earned a PhD
as a historian. 


When I tried to point out the vanity of promoting the CFW Walther myth on ALPB Online's forum, I was savagely attacked in the most bizarre fashion. The ELCA journalist Charles Austin and the apostate LCMS District President ganged up with some Walther disciples to launch a series of personal attacks, which I found amusing.

I fed their rage by answering them appropriately. They made such fools of themselves that the entire thread was erased and started over again. The Austin/Benke tag-team retreated for the second round.

This is a glimpse of what the group posted when I published some facts about Walther in the erased thread:
1. I had no right posting on the discussion board until I had proved all of my credentials, including where I was trained, where I was ordained, who ordained me, whether I went to Notre Dame or not, and whether I taught in higher education.
2. I was trashing Walther.
3. I had no right posting about Walther because I was not LCMS.
4. I made fun of Notre Dame graduates (not true).
5. I belonged to more than one synod, although they failed to mention Al Barry (four synods), Robert Preus (three synods), and Rolf Preus (LCMS twice, ELS, rejected by Canada's synod, Rolf Synod once but  abandoned by the Rolf Synod pastors). The Rolf thread on ALPB has 22 pages already.
6. Did I study urban ministry under Mark Jeske? Did I know about the Jeremiah Project?
7. Did I read Arabic script? One dysfunctional pastor said I had the pillars of Islam wrong on some details. He used a post on a rarely used blog from seven years ago.
8. The same people could not find biographical details about me, though those details are published all over the Net.
9. Not to be outdone, the "moderator" Peter Speckard blocked one of my new comments and later asked,
http://www.alpb.org/forum/index.php?topic=5300.msg324081;topicseen#msg324081

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Re: Walther
« Reply #64 on: Yesterday at 06:40:57 PM »
How (and why) do so many of you know the historical details being shared in this thread? It one thing to be an historian, but something else entirely to go celebrity stalking in the church triumphant.

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Allow me to briefly compare the Walther myth to the reality.

1. Myth - Walther was an orthodox Lutheran who sought to bring true Lutheran doctrine to America, which was awash in Pietism, revivalism, and all kinds of doctrine error.
Fact - Walther's academic training was limited to a bachelor's degree in a rationalistic university. He placed himself under the leadership of one severe Pietistic guru and also joined a Pietistic Bible study group. When the first guru died, he and his cell group placed themselves under Martin Stephan, a Pietist with a Pietistic congregation that was allowed to have cell groups at the church's location.

2. Myth - Walther was a leader of the Saxons.
Fact - Stephan was the person who brought the large group over the America. Walther took over gradually after organizing the riot that deposed Stephan. Without Stephan there would have been no pilgrimage to America.

3. Myth - Walther taught Luther's doctrine.
Fact - Walther learned Halle's Easter absolution from Martin Stephan who studied at Halle. Walther taught this Easter absolution, contrary to Luther, all his life. Ironically - Stephan never graduated from the two universities he attended. His role as a Bohemian Pietist allowed him to serve a special congregation in spite of his lack of qualifications.

4. Myth - Walther never went along with Stephan being made bishop for life.
Fact - Walther signed the document pledging his obedience to Stephan, as all the clergy leaders did. Oddly, Walther listed himself as the pastor of the congregation where he had resigned his call. All this happened was after Stephan left his wife and family in Dresden (except one healthy son) - taking his female groupies along on the trip, including his main mistress Louise.

5. Myth - Walther and the clergy suddenly found out about Stephan's adultery.
Fact - Vehse and Marbach defended Stephan in court in Dresden, on the issues of serial adultery and financial mismanagement. The young ladies hanging around Stephan created questions on the ship (son's account) and lots of talk in St. Louis. Stephan avoided choice land in St. Louis over garbage property in Perryville, where he was less likely to be strung up along with his obedient clergy followers.

6. Myth - The riot was caused by a sudden, shocking discovery of the adultery of Stephan, after a moving sermon and a confession by one or two ladies. Louise later denied any confession.
Fact - Since the clergy knew all about the adultery, thanks to the court case, the walks at night with young women, and various other obvious signs of moral turpitude, the riot had to have another cause. Based on the research of others, I agree that the outbreak of syphilis among Stephan's girlfriends was the breaking point (potentially fatal for the leaders) and also an ideal opportunity for Walther.

7. Myth - No one can figure out how Stephan, known for his understanding and leadership of people, became so bizarre in his behavior and demands in America.
Fact - His children died from syphilitic symptoms after being institutionalized. His wife was also ill. Stephan complained of rashes, which are a sign of syphilis. His mental decline is consistent with the neurological phase of the disease, called "the great imitator." His trips to spas and his night walks were convenient ways to be with his various girlfriends. He even moved one into his house, like Karl Barth, and moved her back in when his long-suffering wife threw the girl out.

7. Myth - Walther handled the situation well.
Fact - Walther violated the Scriptures when he failed to confront the bishop about the adultery, passing up many opportunities. When Walther went down to Perryville, he used to opportunity to arrange support for the upcoming spontaneous riot and to steal the land the group gave to the bishop. He failed to meet with Stephan. Walther arranged the riot and only took his supporters along. No dissent was allowed.

8. Myth - Things got better after a rough but necessary action.
Fact - Walther and his crew stole a vast amount of gold from Stephan, a library of 1500 books, all personal possessions, and a total of 120 acres of land. The gold went a long way toward making the society solvent again. The land was divided among the winners. The books were handy for the new seminary (a theft copied later by Seminex, with howls of outrage from the grandchildren of the original thieves). Stephan was accused of stealing money from the group, so they piled slander on top of their crimes. As Luther noted, deception is always used as a cover for greed.

Zion on the Mississippi has almost all the information needed. The book has been around for about 50 years, so there is no excuse for the fairy tales broadcast by the LCMS.

The Stephan book, In Pursuit of Religious Freedom, makes it clear that Stephan left house arrest to pursue sexual freedom for himself in America. The group felt persecuted because Stephan was under a cloud for his corruption. They were sure the Gospel left Europe when they set sail, even though Walther himself was escaping arrest warrants for kidnapping his niece and nephew.

If the readers do not think the LCMS is as mean, vindictive, petty, and dishonest as Walther appears in the Stephan book, they should follow LutherQuest (sic) or ALPB for a few hours.

I found Servant of the Word, a gushing hagiography, to be useful in filling in details, including the Missouri fable about Stephan smuggling gold pieces in his hollow cane. Sure - while they were threatening his life, stripping him down to look for money, and forcing him to sleep outside for the night, the bishop was jingling away with his gold-filled cane.

I have bought the Fuerbringer books 2.5 times, giving them away to friends to read. Fuerbringer has interesting points about NOT KNOWING the early history from his Uncle CFW and the source of the jewel encrusted chalice stolen from Stephan and used by Walther as a trophy - for Holy Communion.

There is another book, CFW Walther, The American Luther. I read that long ago.