Thursday, September 9, 2010

Thank You, Most Avid Reader



Your daughter wrote. Thanks.


Now I know why that one particular light shows up on the map.

I write for the older, faithful members and for the younger ones trying to make sense out of being trapped in a zoo. The trouble is, so many are so used to corruption that they think of it as normal.

As someone wrote, the system has a zillion ways of using up one's energy so that nothing is done and everything is still a secret, a marriage of Stalinism with the Medieval Church.

I wrote a little vision/dream satire once, when I was in the LCA. I put it in the church newsletter, forgetting that copies went to a number of national church officials. It went like this - I dreamt that the officials suddenly began asking themselves, "What are we doing wrong? The whole synod is falling apart." So they did an every member visit without asking for funds (for once) and asked the membership what they were doing wrong.

A Black leader wrote to me and said he laughed his head off because it was so true. He wrote from the old J. P. Morgan mansion in NYC, LCA headquarters.

Needless to say, my humor was not appreciated by his colleagues. But, 32 years later, the bishop who used me for a tackle dummy has led a bunch out of ELCA, after he spent his career propping up the old apostasy.

I shared my opinions freely in the past, just as I do now. I have never been in a position of official influence because I am not prepared to sing soprano in the church choir. But whatever we do or say is influence.

My conference papers were not "accepted with thanks" as the repeat-after-me ones were, but they circulated all over WELS via the copier. Two of them were published in Liberalism.

Luther said, "We have to be willing to be punched in the mouth." The Shrinker bullies are more than happy to be the cross that we must bear. The worse they behave and gloat about it, the more they enter into God's judgment. If someone robs me because I have been too trusting, that is a judgment against him, not me. The same is true of the covetous, greedy, adulterous minister who drives me from a call. I learned one pastor has a thing for guys, if you catch my drift, even though he is married and has children. Two opponents were arrested for drunk driving, so insensible are they about potentially killing others with their autos, with their addictions. One made a big speech denouncing me to a whole conference, but made the mistake of propositioning the wrong member in a pastoral counseling session. Another one threatened to beat up the pastor who leaked a document to me, leading to his eventual downfall.

The cross means that God uses those situations to glorify His Name. I am in an ideal situation to write about the apostasy of WELS, the ELS, and the LCMS. The typical threats mean nothing to me. The continuing nastiness only motivates me to say more. I know that many feel sane because of what I share from others in the same situation.

In "Braveheart," the Scots were asked about how the English could establish peace with their northern neighbor. The response was not appreciated - "Knock on every door and apologize for the money you have stolen and the people you have raped."

That would be a good and essential start for the synod officials too.

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Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "Thank You, Most Avid Reader":

Ahh! Now I know why I feel sane again. Thanks!
Scott E. Jungen

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GJ - Just today someone sent an anonymous comment that was so typical of the Shrinkers. I was going to share details but that would have involved someone else in the slime attack, which I chose to avoid. The person sent his moment of hate over the way I make fun of WELS education, etc. It was a way of dismissing me and the other writer at the same time.

I witnessed John Lawrenz (Church and Change) do the same thing when he denounced a pastors' excellent paper because:
1. He named names, without them being there to defend themselves, precisely what Lawrenz was doing at that moment.
2. His parish was "dead," which by itself is an odd commentary on the Means of Grace and God's will. No pit band? No popcorn?
3. The evil Northern Conference of Michigan dared to question officials from The Love Shack. How horrible and unChristian!

The point of these rants is to render the victim stripped of any voice or authority, so that nothing can be accepted from such a tainted source. Thus Doug the Unready blames Ichabod for people being unhappy about plagiarizing Groeschel.
The issue is no longer a crime but:
A. Ichabod.
B. The felons who read Ichabod.

This was done in spite of the fact that the turmoil came from the other direction, from the Northern Wisconsin District. Due to Englebrecht's utter incompetence as a leader (not apt to teach, not adhering to sound doctrine), the uproar had reached my ears and I reported on it. I did not start the chaos. Englebrecht did. I did not do the research on Fox Valley. The pastors and laity did. And they were following the official WELS playbook on defusing issues by blaming people who raised any questions. For that they got a letter left for them to read.

If any official in the WELS madhouse is asked about this, he will excuse it and make the victims feel even crazier - unless the voice of reason intervenes and rescues them.

I am willing to be the punching bag so others can observe the character of these leaders. When they rave about me, remember that they will say the same things about you, your spouse, your children, and your friends. They are the same people who pretend to know nothing about murder, child molestation, clergy and teacher adultery, homosexual pastors, false doctrine, and embezzlement. So how do they know which deodorant I use while being so utterly ignorant of dead bodies in the parsonage?

I just got an urgent message from another person being slimed for appreciating a real worship service instead of a clown's performance. I wrote back, "You are getting to them." That is their way of saying a post really matters, because the backsplash across the synod is making them miss Sponge Bob's latest episode. Stop being so cruel, you confessionals.


Felt Needs Fulfilled

He stole Ski's line - anything short of sin... Or maybe Ski stole his?
Or they stole someone else's line?


Winona Newspaper


ELK RIVER, Minn. - At least two Minnesota churches are hoping to pack the pews by offering the chance for free tickets to Minnesota Vikings or Minnesota Twins games.
Those who show up at Crossing Church in Elk River Saturday or Sunday have a shot at season tickets for the Minnesota Vikings. Pastor Eric Dykstra says he ``would do anything short of sin to get somebody in the door.''
WCCO-TV says Dykstra's church doubled attendance when it gave away three cars last Easter.
The Exchange Church in Uptown is giving away Twins tickets to anyone who attends services this weekend. Church members raised $10,000 in order to offer the free tickets to the Sept. 30 home game against Toronto.


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dkrause (http://dkrause.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Felt Needs Fulfilled":

Pastor Eric Dykstra says he ``would do anything short of sin to get somebody in the door.''

But the pastor will not go to a mall and invite people he meets. I guess his words mean very little in practice.

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dkrause (http://dkrause.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "WELS, LCMS, Or Just Plain New Age?":

who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly

That sure describes the bloggers on the false Ichabod. Christ foresaw those deceivers 2,000 years ago!

WELS, LCMS, Or Just Plain New Age?




Pastor Reeder's Blog

The SWD and Rev. Jeske

For the past several years in the South Wisconsin District (SWD) of the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod (LCMS), I’ve noticed a growing number of conferences and retreats where Rev. Mark Jeske of Time of Grace ministries located in Milwaukee (which airs on the net (http://www.timeofgrace.org/index.php), on the radio, and on TV) is one of the speakers.  The SWD endorses him, as his ‘ministry’ is also now a Recognized Service Organization (RSO) of the LCMS
(http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=15614).  The program even airs on the LCMS’ radio station from St. Louis, KFUO.
What’s interesting, as others have noted (i.e. http://steadfastlutherans.org/?p=6919), is that Jeske is:
1)      of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS)
2)      not an LCMS pastor
3)      Promotes the unscriptural ‘principles’ and doctrine of the ‘church growth movement’ (CGM) (For further study on these, seehttp://www.ctsfw.net/media/pdfs/huebelcgm.pdf as a starter)
LCMS and WELS are not in fellowship.  Joint ministries here are in the least confusing to members and nonmembers of both church bodies.  Joint ministries here are also conflicting, esp. because the Church Growth Movement so advocated by Jeske is in conflict with our doctrine, and also the official teaching of WELS.
A genuine concern for doctrine asks the question ‘why’?  Since CGM teaches what is contrary to Scripture, why is such teaching given air on the LCMS station KFUO, advocated by at least one district (the SWD), and even now an RSO of the LCMS?
Perhaps the LCMS as a whole has forgotten the concern of God’s people, that of faithfulness to His Word, rather than seeking after acceptance by the world and its ways.  Faithfulness calls for obedience to the Lord’s Word and avoidance of those who teach otherwise:
Note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple (Romans 16:17-18)
May the Lord keep the LCMS and her members watchful, observant, and bold in the face of false doctrine and opposition, even with those within her own body!


Maybe Because Bruce Church Told the Truth about Sky-High Tuition and the 600 Empty Parish Lie




bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Lulu Makes It Safe and Permanent":

Concordia St. Louis Seminary must have record low number of resident M Div students--only 62 matriculated! For the 2008-9 year they had 90. I doubt the seminaries have their online M Div courses up and running yet. Both seminaries now cost nearly $22k per year!

On CTS news page, they don't mention the # of students at all, and no news is bad news, I'd guess:

CTS to Begin 165th Academic Year
http://www.ctsfw.edu/Page.aspx?pid=823

2009 CUS press release:
http://gnesiolutheran.com/record-enrollment-for-the-concordia-university-system/

excerpts: 426 pre-sem students in 2005, to 245 this fall, a drop of 181 students, or 42 percent.
Those schools are “feeders” for the seminaries, he said, and when their numbers fall, those of the seminaries do, too.

Tuition and fees at each of the seminaries runs about $21,600 per year.

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From: concordianews@CSL.EDU
To: CSLNEWS@LISTSERV.CUIS.EDU
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:52 AM
Subject: NEW CLASSES WELCOMED TO SEMINARY

NEW CLASSES WELCOMED TO SEMINARY

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

September 9, 2010

ST. LOUIS—On Friday, Sept. 3, at 10:00 a.m., Concordia Seminary, St. Louis, began its 172nd academic year with a special worship service in the Chapel of St. Timothy and St. Titus on the Seminary campus. Dr. Dale A. Meyer, president of Concordia Seminary, served as preacher.

The incoming class is comprised of nearly 130 students, including all those newly enrolled in residential and distance programs: 62 residential M.Div. students; seven certificate students; four deaconess students; nine Ethnic Immigrant Institute of Theology (EIIT) students; 24 Specific Ministry Pastor Program (SMP) students; eight Center for Hispanic Studies (CHS) students; and 20 graduate students.

In addition, three staff members were installed: Arthur “Andy” Bacon as provost; Richard Jostes as gift officer; and Michael Redeker as senior vice president for enrollment management.

Bacon previously served as professor of practical theology and director of curriculum assessment at Concordia Seminary, St. Louis. He retired from the Seminary in 2009. He acted as vice president for academic affairs in 2010. Bacon also served as chaplain for the U.S. Army Reserve from 1975-2007. He and his wife, Susan, have three children.

Jostes previously worked as director of development for Orphan Grain Train in Norfolk, Neb. (1997-2010). He has taught and counseled in Lutheran schools throughout the Midwest. Jostes has worked for both Concordia University Nebraska and Concordia University Chicago. He and his wife, Laura, have three children.

Redeker most recently served as pastor to St. John’s Lutheran Church in Lexington, Ky. He previously served as admissions counselor and director of admissions and ministerial recruitment at Concordia Seminary from 1998-2004. Redeker has served in many capacities for The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod, serving on several synodical committees in his career. He and his wife, Mary, have seven children.

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GJ - Exactly why would a man borrow a fortune when he knows the seminary will deny him a chance to serve while loading him with debt and a useless degree?

Bruce Church investigated and laid out the facts so carefully hidden from the public.

Tuition = salaries.

Look at Mequon. They seem to have more professors than students. The same number of professors could handle twice the number of students if they didn't quit at noon each day.




Lulu Makes It Safe and Permanent



Support independent publishing: Buy this book on Lulu.


Have you even blown up a hard drive, lost all your files, spent time on something and lost it for good, or had to recreate it from the hard copy?

By the time I needed to reprint Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant, all the files were lost. They were pretty terrible anyway - in format. They were Professional Write turned into Word Perfect for DOS turned into RageMaker (aka PageMaker).

Rewriting the book was good for me, especially under the lash of my gruff but likeable editor.

However, now that I am gathering material for publication, I see how slapdash my storage methods have been. One advantage of Lulu is that files are stored for free and can be downloaded if all the fail-safes fail. I know that Internet backups and external drives and such are better, but this is one of extra benefits.

The main advantage is publishing for everyone, free, 24/7. I studied web design last century to do that, and I am glad. I still teach web design and education technology. I use HTML gimmicks every day.

Once I finish a work in MS Word, I can get it print ready in about 30 minutes, most of the time spent fiddling with the cover. I am cover-certified now, I hope. I will redo the Angel Joy cover, which is a disaster.

A ready-made cover and the text turned to a PDF will take about 10 minutes. The finishing work will take a few minutes more. Lulu will provide an ISBN number (origin - WELS) for free, which is essential for all book sellers.

I put some of Norma Boeckler's art into the latest works. The colored works came through perfectly in the PDF.

Lulu has many kinds of publishing, including music CDs, but I want to focus on what theologians do.

Let's say the Intrepids have a really good series on some topics, or a group of good articles. They can be gathered, published, and distributed for no cost.

I promise that the best articles will be buried and hard to find on Intrepid or any other blog. Publishing has permanency and a little more gravitas.

Printing can be low-cost (never free) or with a built-in profit.


While You Were Sleeping - Another Book Published on Lulu.com




Cover and interior artwork by Norma Boeckler


The stormfront moved in from the Texas hurricane, so I went to work on the Discussion Guide: Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant. Pastors suggested having a guide, so I put together one in the form of a workbook. There is room for answers to all the questions, and the page number for the correct information is listed for each question.

I highly recommend my editor and Lulu.com. Norma Boeckler's artwork is superb, but I have her talents tied up in future projects.

The PDF download is free and people can share the files with abandon. I do not mind if the pastor downloads the PDF and prints his own copies. The idea is to share the information in Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant, which has been used for adult classes and confirmation as well.

Someone could easily use the free downloads of the book, if cost is a problem. As I told a few others, the difference between getting money from each copy and giving them away is not significant to me. My aim from the beginning was to sort out the doctrinal issues fairly, in the words of each confession. Friends demanded that my initial adult study be turned into a book, and then I realized how much more I needed to study.

I can provide also provide books below the stated price on Lulu. Send me an email if that is appealing. Christian News orders books that way. I guess they want a Lutheran title to balance We Believe, Therefore We Speak.

When I was in Columbus, I heard that people who opposed the false doctrine of Church Growth were "lazy." The Shrinkers were busy destroying more churches than the Chicago Fire. What is their brag today? - They plagiarize their lupine idols, preaching sermons verbatim from various Enthusiasts, but not giving credit to the original authors. That is my definition of lazy. Not to mention stupid.

This lazy anti-Shrinker has also broadcast two series from the book, recording the last set so everyone can see them at their leisure. I have to stay up late and get up early to pursue this laziness. No time for the Crab Shack, Granger, Drive, Driscoll, Sweet, Hybels, and the rest.

Clergy Will Have To Man Up - Including the Sissy DPs and CPs



Tyndale was burned at the stake for giving us the forerunner of the KJV.
The clergy emulate Machiavelli and Cardinal Richelieu.


The Lutheran ministers should spend as much time studying the Confessions as they do on their secret email lists. Or, they could study the Greek New Testament instead of writing blog comments all over the world.

Men, who have spent no time in decades getting an education or publishing something valuable, do in fact take the time to post hundreds of comments and engage in constant time-wasting social networking. That does make them seem and feel important for the moment. I wonder if people will seek reprints of their list-serves the way students look for out of print books by the founders of the various synods.

These time-wasters have a lot to face in the years to come. They have wrecked churches, synods, and schools while accomplishing nothing.

The DPs and CPs of the last 30 years strut around now, but they are like the marketing team of the Edsel, the engineering team of the Pinto. Are they so blind and deaf that they cannot comprehend their self-inflicted disaster?

Ludwig Fuerbringer stayed home to study rather than accept too many rubber chicken dinners where he could speechify and act important. That may be why he was a beloved professor who left behind so much valuable history. His little books on the Synodical Conference are priceless.

Lenski created commentaries on the entire New Testament, plus many other books. My wife's doctor, who is also a missionary, loves Lenski. What enormous grants did Lenski receive to do his work? He was a successful parish pastor, a district president, and an honored professor. He encouraged his daughter Lois, who became a famous children book artist and book author. If Lenski had diddled away his time the way these list-serve drones do, we would only have the first draft of his commentary on Philemon.

Every pastor and layperson has the power and authority of the clear, efficacious Word. The Word of God has not been tried and found wanting. It has hardly been tried at all.

Wednesday, September 8, 2010

Research and Publish - The Apostates Will Cry and Run



Joseph Schmidt is one of many younger Lutherans who studies Christian doctrine and promotes orthodox teaching.


Rogue Lutheran shows what one lady can do with a browser and search engine. I can think of several Lutheran ladies who are doing the same, one way or another.

One said, "If I give it to my pastor, one person reads it. If I give it to Ichabod, everyone reads it."

We even have a Doctor of Divinity helping out with Ichabod.

We also have men of all ages participating, with an emphasis on the laity. One blogger (Church Mouse) is in England. Another (Extra Nos) is down under.

I added Bad Vestments to the blog list for the enjoyment and edification of readers. I enjoy the way that site pillories bad taste in clergy wear and tacky services (clown eucharist, Calvinist puppets of doom, giant marching animals in a pagan Presbyterian ceremony). The examples show what anti-confessional clergy do to destroy worship, the flip side of Emergent Church but the same flip attitude - we can do whatever we want.

Ichabod is linked many places but not linked where it is deemed unsafe. I am not annoyed but charmed. A blog has to be dangerous to be left off a list of confessional Lutheran URLs. Forbidden fruit is sweeter. What were the WELSians reading during the last convention? It wasn't WELS.net. What were the college kids reading, between text messages, when their gay video was posted?

Meanwhile, Fake-o-bod has gone mute again, after kissing up to the Intrepids. What is more hypocritical of the Appleton blogger: denouncing unionism while preaching Groeschel, or smooching Intrepid Lutherans in public while blocking their emails in private?

Once again. the treatment itself is the highest commendation. As Luther said, it may be an honor that vice pays to virtue, but hypocrisy is still a sin.

I expect nothing in the short-run. Eventually, if people continue to research and publish, the apostates in power will bawl and run away. That does not mean adopting the 30-year plan. There is too much patience and too little urgency.

Someone in Columbus asked why I was adamant about doctrine. I asked what the congregation would do if the furnace were about to explode. "They would fix it right away. No delay." I asked why nothing was done about dangerous doctrine, which threatened everyone. That was 23 years ago.

WELS Columbus sheltered an adulterous CG fanatic and gave him another congregation to ruin, endorsed by the WELS district VP, coddled and flattered by the ELS and Thoughts of Faith. The false doctrine promoted there nurtured the undiscerning mind of Tim Glende, who now advocates even worse versions in Appleton while his mentor still works in Columbus.

As I said, that was 23 years ago, and WELS is asking for another 30 years to fix matters, with no change visible, except new exploding scandals.

I am waiting for the promised report about Piepenbrink.

And I heard Toledo is changing pastors faster than a cheap motel changes the sheets. Michigan District anti-anti-CG meddling is bearing fruit in Toledo and elsewhere.

The volunteer bloggers are all citizens, but we are doing the work American DPs won't do. They say the installation service for a DP includes an operation where the spine is removed.

I am not so sure about that. Deputy Doug went after me - big time! Capn Huff-n-Puff roared from his cabin below the deck of the Leakin' Lena. Read the letter. It was totally fierce.

Mrs. Ichabod wanted me to mention that I am teaching the following courses soon: Christian ethics, world religion, mythology, urban ministry, spiritual formation, and church history. A reader said I could teach at Mary Lou College, but the fact is - I am tied down at the moment.




Another Ichabod Scoop


Rogue Lutheran confirms the spillage from the Sweet honey-wagon.


Ichabod Scoops Lighthouse Trails - LCMS & Len Sweet



September 8, 2010

Dear carol,
There will be no online e-newsletter this week. However, we want to let you know about a special CrossTalk radio program that will be taking place on Thursday, September 9th between Ingrid Schlueter and Sandy Simpson (Deception in the Church ministries). Below is our posting today, announcing the program.
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LTRP Note: In relation to the article below by Ingrid Schlueter and her upcoming radio program on Thursday, September 9th on CrossTalk, it is worth noting that on the same day, Leadership Network (the launchers of the 1990s emerging church movement) is presenting an online, digital “conference” calledThe Nines featuring 100 evangelical pastors and leaders, some of whom areRick Warren, Dan Kimball, Francis Chan, Wayne Cordeiro, Andy Crouch (Christianity Today), Bill Easum, Jonathan Falwell, Miles McPherson, Larry Osborne, Ed Stetzer, Thom Rainer (LifeWay Books),and Leonard Sweet.


Thursday’s Crosstalk will be addressing the increasingly popular teachings of Leonard Sweet. Tune in live at 2pm Central or listen to the archived show later.

Leonard Sweet is making his way into otherwise conservative evangelical churches, schools, colleges and organizations by speaking on things like postmodern culture and theology or “education in the age of Google.” But why would pastors and teachers from churches and institutions that are supposedly faithful to biblical Christianity promote and listen to a panentheist and New Age teacher like Leonard Sweet? Guest Sandy Simpson will explain what Leonard believes and teaches. It’s shocking. We will also be offering Warren Smith’s excellent book, A Wonderful Deception, which contains an entire chapter on Sweet and his “Quantum Spirituality.”

(cw-Ichabod caught this Sweet item 10-9-2010 first, see:  

The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is one supposedly biblical denomination that has increasingly brought Leonard Sweet in for teachers conferences, convocations and educational seminars as keynote speaker. The South Wisconsin District of the LCMS is bringing Sweet in for a full DAY seminar at Lake Country Lutheran High School. (October 9, 2010) But why? Why would those who claim to believe in the authority of Scripture and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ bring in someone who thanks occultist David Spangler for his spiritual influence? (See below.) As preparation for the broadcast, please see this excerpt below from former New Ager Warren Smith’s book chapter on Leonard Sweet and his Quantum Spirituality. It’s a warning about how hereticaloccult teachings are no longer viewed as such in many churches. Unless God’s people learn to biblically discern these things, they are easy targets for deception.

Here’s the excerpt:

Leonard Sweet, in acknowledging Willis Harman, Matthew Fox, M. Scott Peck,and the others he refers to as “New Light leaders” in [his book] Quantum Spirituality, states:

I believe these are among the most creative religious leaders in America today. These are the ones carving out channels for new ideas to flow. In a way this book was written to guide myself through their channels and chart their progress. The book’s best ideas come from them.

Speaking of spiritual “channels,” Sweet expresses his personal gratitude in [his book] Quantum Spirituality to channeler and veteran New Age leader, David Spangler. Spangler, in attempting to cast off the negative stereotype of a New Age channeler, would now more likely describe himself as a conscious intuitive.

A pioneering spokesperson for the New Age, Spangler has written numerous books over the years that include Emergence: The Rebirth of the Sacred, Revelation: The Birth of a New Age, and Reimagination of the World: A Critique of the New Age, Science, and Popular Culture. His book Revelation: The Birth of a New Age is a compilation of channeled transmissions he received from his disembodied spiritguide “John.”

Two Comments

And lo, they raideth the Egyptian garbage and hauleth it away.
And it came to pass, the Egyptians stayeth home and cebrateth forthwith.

erickel (http://erickel.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Union of Pietist Sects":

WELS embarrasses me over and over again as a member, and they want me to do mission work for THEM.

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Michael Schottey has left a new comment on your post "Not A Duck - A Soaring Eagle - The GIA Eagle":

Bored,

My "Dr. Goebbels-style" education taught me that generalizations often speak volumes more about the subject rather than the object.

You're right, you don't know me, so I kindly ask you to keep your faulty opinions to yourself.

You, and John have (twice now) fantastically missed the point of what I said and why I said it.

It isn't about "massaging the message" it's about using the FULL body of evidence to nail the butts of schwaermer to the wall instead of half.

It isn't about softening the blow...it is about giving no recourse of thought or action--so no one can point and call this a half-truth.

We're all in agreement that the disclaimer does not exculpate anyone, rather it makes the case that much more forceful--that a pastor would willfully lead his flock into a wolf's lair untended.

How in the world is that "massaging the message?"

In your haste to point out my need for "reprogramming" you didn't realize that putting the disclaimer on there (and commenting on it) only increases the validity of the point.

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GJ - Michael is paying a price for signing his name, unfair in this day of anonymous blogging.

I understand his point. I used his response to point out the typical WELS answer to anything, which is, "You did it wrong so you are the sinner and he is the victim."

Michael has been on the side of traditional Means of Grace worship all along, and he has identified with the Intrepids by signing his name there. I know many WELS/ELS pastors who are too timid to sign their names, even though they have groaned about CG Enthusiasm for decades. Yes decades.

Michael and I spar on Facebook about politics, but he does not un-friend me, which is more than I can say for others. We need more younger Lutherans like Michael. I just hope he forgets to vote.


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Scott E. Jungen has left a new comment on your post "Two Comments":

I second that comment. We do need more young Lutherans like Michael. What a blessing he would have been to a congregation of Confessional Lutherans. I totally understand why he chose not to attend WLS. Another black mark on the WELS that they drove away this fine young man from the ministry.


No, I don't know Michael personally either, but I think I'd like to!
Scott E. Jungen

Not A Duck - A Soaring Eagle - The GIA Eagle



This awe-inspiring duck eagle can be received as a paint-by-numbers kit or as a painting on velvet project, FREE with a $1,000 donation or monthly pledge to GIA. Remember, this is God's work, but He needs your money to do it.


John has left a new comment on your post "Guess Who Is Working with the New Jeske-Patterson ...":

Mr. Schottey:

Ah. I think I understand, now. It's up to the reader to pick out exactly what Pilgrim posts on its website is what the pastor and congregation actually hold to.

No thanks. I'll only think of associating myself with a congregation that clearly states and practices its confession.

I'm talking about my eternal life here. I'm not about looking for disclaimers.

Disclaimers are worthless. They're meant to cover the back sides of the folks who post them, only.

Any confusion is caused by the congregation posting links to churches with which it is not in doctrinal agreement.

Something I was taught at a very young age is: If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it's probably a duck.


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John has left a new comment on your post "Not A Duck - A Soaring Eagle - The GIA Eagle":

Mr. Schottey.

You are absolutely correct. I did miss your point, and I sincerely apologize for not only missing your point, but also for sarcastically turning it on you.
I was careless in commenting without first being certain that I fully understood what you were saying.

I ask your forgiveness.

John

Union of Pietist Sects




Does my child have to give up Catholicism to attend WLC?
No.


Didja wonder why a WELS pastor copied Mission Covenant leader Swindoll's devotional?

How a WELS college could invite a Roman Catholic archbishop to lecture about religion?

Answer - the Lutheran organizations in America are not Lutheran at all. They are Pietistic sects with some Lutherans scattered among them.

America is a Pietistic nation, with the Methodists and Babtists dominating the scene, the Lutherans imitating them as much as possible.

Division among the so-called Lutheran groups is not according to doctrine but according to Pietistic standards.

The so-called conservative groups distinguish themselves from ELCA, but they work with ELCA anyway.

The so-called conservative groups maintain an official stance of not working with each other, but they do anyway.

Pietists do a lot of pretending about their standards. A dry town or dry county will feature lots of ways to enjoy a bountiful supply of beverages. For instance, Benton County considers every restaurant a private club. All the customers sign the members' registry to allow some members to order alcoholic drinks. I have seen Elvis' signature, so it is true that he is still alive.

The nominal Lutherans seldom acknowledge their own heritage today. They consider the Book of Concord to be old-fashioned, boring, and irrelevant. They know more about Groeschel than Luther. They make fun of doctrinal knowledge while extolling their "relationship with Jesus." As one Pentecostal said about his students, "Are they tight with Jesus? You know the trouble starts when they are not tight with Jesus." Luther said - "They talk about Jesus all the time, but they tear down the bridge, the Means of Grace, to reach Him."

Why are the Lutheran pastors running to Fuller or Rome? Because they are Pietists seeking the True Pietism, the Holy Grail of Schwaermer-Vision.

Why are all these conservative Lutherans so happy to worship with Babtists, Pentecostals, papists, and Eastern Orthodoxists? They never had a problem with false doctrine, because Pietism teaches love above sound doctrine and love as the path to manufacturing disciples.

Why does WELS praise its own shoddy educational system and hate anyone for having a real education? Answer - They want the conformity of Pietism rather than the doctrinal knowledge of the Lutheran Church. Pietists will agree among themselves that no one can drink alcohol and be a true believer, so everyone pretends to be dry. WELS takes this another step by introducing alcholism as an important step in conforming, during college or prep school. Instead of being a dry hero, their leaders are falling-down drunk heroes.

Here is a guide to the real attitudes in the Union of Pietistic Sects:

ELCA - We are honest about what we believe and practice, so we have the real Gospel. Everyone is following our example, even though they deny it. Imitation acknowledges our purity.

WELS - We are so pure than no one is in fellowship with us, including the unreliable and loosey-goosey ELS. We do not acknowledge our bi and homosexual pastors so we can praise ourselves for not being ELCA. We thank God every day we broke with the Missouri Synod. We saw the dangers of unionism long before we enjoyed the pleasures of Fuller. But that is another story. If we attend lots of Schwaermer schools and churches, it is never within the bounds of fellowship. If you question that, you have already broken fellowship with us, so begone.

ELS - We are so pure that we congratulate ourselves every day, privately, that we are not WELS. Yes, we are the abused spouse of WELS, but that is our cross to bear for holding up the light of the Confessions, to shine whenever it seems expedient.

CLC (sic) - We may be even more corrupt in doctrine and practice than anyone can imagine, but no one brags about fellowship more than we do. Like the Hapsburg dynasty in Europe, we have unity through intermarriage. If a pastor's daughter has an oopsie baby, we adopt him out to a CLC (sic) family. The only people who leave the CLC do so via a coffin or the Left Foot of Fellowship. Our summer camp college in the woods is so small that proximity leads to marriage, even if the other person is a cousin six ways from Sunday. Proof of our orthodoxy Pietism - We are not ELS or WELS or LCMS. Therefore, we can indulge in every false doctrine without being tainted by those evil groups that we covet.

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Trained by Babtist Andy Stanley: this photo is from Ski's bragging blog about the Drive conference.

The CORE by the Numbers:

The CORE held its grand opening on April 19, 2009.
  • $250,000 spent
  • 200 average weekly attendance since the grand opening
  • 15 members
The information for the above attendance numbers was gathered at St. Peter’s open forum on June 16, 2009 A.D., and the above numbers are current as of that date.

As of this week, The CORE has yet to serve the Lord’s Supper, and is waiting until special hand made communion-ware is manufactured. According to Pastor Glende, most new congregations do not serve the Lord’s Supper for several months. Once The CORE begins to serve communion, then they will have a better idea of how many of its attendees are members of other area WELS congregations.

Objection Refuted





Michael Schottey has left a new comment on your post "Guess Who Is Working with the New Jeske-Patterson ...":

Look, I'm all for "guilt by association" and questioning why these links would be included. However, it is a little dishonest to not include the disclaimer RIGHT above the the links.

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At Pilgrim we believe Christians need to be informed about news and trends in the world of religion and the world at large. The fact that we've included these links on our page should not be taken to mean that we agree with or condone the ideas and opinions you may see on these sites.
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Now, does that "make up for" the fact that schwaemer links permeate the list? No....

But not including it really makes the post look like a sham.

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GJ - Not so fast, Michael. I reproduced the list before, with the disclaimer. I believe the disclaimer emphasizes the dishonesty of the staff, the congregation, and WELS. I was sparing the poor deluded fellow who runs this congregation. Since I provide links with my information, anyone can check out the material in context and look over all the pages.

The Wisconsin Sect has been promoting this style of deception for a long time. Gaze upon the photos of all the false teachers portrayed above. I took a long time selecting so many faces, so many denominations, so many false teachers, getting them into one coherent gang. These men are the heroes of WELS. They were and still are, as revealed by my latest posts.

These heroes have been promoted by WELS with the warning - "while we are not in fellowship with..." - but making it clear that true spiritual wisdom comes from their lupine fangs. Picture Valleskey gushing about "spoiling the Egyptians" from Fuller Seminary, where he studied, not to mention the Schwaermer books he recommended to all of WELS in FICKLE (nee NWL).

And they made Valleskey president of the Sausage Factory for this great service to confessional Lutheranism.

Swimming with Schwaermer will yield mush like this:

"Intellectual knowledge is great, but Christianity is really a relationship with Jesus. Sure, we pass along biblical truth by passing along facts. We want children to know the name of Ruth’s mother-in-law, and the books of the Bible in order. Some children do very well remembering those facts, others don’t. Are the quick ones somehow better off spiritually than the slow ones? Of course not! Jesus loves them all. He gave himself for all of us, no matter our age or test scores."

Wait three seconds and some WELS pastor will say, "This c-a-n be understood correctly." The word c-a-n should be stretched out to display the brilliance of the speaker as he ponders a translation into Lutheranese.

This is another real, relational, relevant church.

Two Responses To Two Examples of Apostasy







John has left a new comment on your post "Guess Who Is Working with the New Jeske-Patterson ...":

I couldn't decide whether to reach for a tissue or a barf bag when reading what this supposedly Lutheran pastor and congregation recommend to readers of their site.

Their recommendation of churches that deny the efficacy of the Means of Grace is, in fact a statement of this pastor and congregation regarding the efficacy of the Means of Grace.

Accordingly, wouldn't anyone partnering with this pastor and congregation also be denying the efficacy of the Means of Grace?

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dkrause (http://dkrause.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Donate To the Mark Jeske Synod:Thrivent, Foundatio...":

They insult Jesus with their focus on donations (money). Jesus did not teach His disciples to go out and beg.


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GJ - Looking at The SORE, Glende's Groeschel franchise, Bethany Appleton, St. Mark Depere, Fox Valley in general,
Church and Changers running wild, and Minneapolis, no one should conclude that this is my fault.

A pastor's wife in the LCMS said she was well aware of Emergent Church apostasy in WELS. The PR flacks can promote the same old mirage for years, but people see through it. Like the puddle of water shimmering on the highway, the conservative nature of WELS disappears when approached with eyes wide open.

Pastor Never-Stood-Up-For-Anything was complaining behind my back about his reputation. If the facts seem so painful, then what would the synod slime machine feel like to Rev. Duncan Run?

The greatest damage does not come from the obviously evil parsons, like the Church and Change leaders, but from those pastors who wear the cloak of conservatism, kiss up to the apostates, and betray their fellow pastors and their members with alacrity. They will gladly feed their flock to the wolves if they can get a better position from it.

The turmoil from all those congregations listed above has come from the Rev. Do-Nothings and DP-Pleasers.

I watched the Michigan District get rid of three pastors in Toledo for daring to disagree with the official Church Growth dogma in WELS - although no one to date has admitted to that continuing error. If I have my dates right, the "conservative" John Seifert got rid of two of them. The third one had to travel to another call before he was pushed out. No one was allowed to disagree with the confessional Lutheran Valleskey (Fake-o-Bod) and remain. Bruce Becker hisself got rid of the third pastor, who was allowed to attend an ELS church but not allowed to take communion.

Ponder the enormity of the joke played on everyone. The pastor who insisted on the efficacy of the Word was excommunicated for life by Bruce Becker, who openly denies the most basic Biblical doctrine - efficacy of the Word. Meanwhile:

  1. Murderer Al Just can help with a WELS youth group.
  2. Felon Scott Zerbe is defended as "repentent." Relax, everyone is forgiven in WELS, UOJ-like, except the chosen few.
  3. Geezer Paul Kelm gets a divine call to mislead even more college students, even though he could not start a brush fire with FUEL at The SORE.
  4. Second Synod President Jeske is loaned out to Missouri for money-raising purposes.
  5. Adultery earns a promotion to Mission Counselor.
  6. Founding Church and Change is considered resume leverage for a call to the Asian board.
  7. The Little Sect on the Prairie goes along with this, shares eagerly in the work of apostasy, and claims to be different from WELS.

Tuesday, September 7, 2010

Guess Who Is Working with the New Jeske-Patterson Synod?
Look at the Church Links And Find Out Below




GJ - Good summaries:

Av Tattenai has left a new comment on your post "Guess Who Is Working with the New Jeske-Patterson ...":

It should be astonishing that an allegedly Lutheran congregation should approvingly link to a website which teaches, "We believe in the ordinances of believer’s water baptism by immersion as a testimony to Christ and identification with Him, and the Lord’s Supper as a remembrance of Christ’s death and shed blood." In view of their apparent toleration of such contradictions of the Small Catechism, how does the WELS imagine they are any different from the ELCA?

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bored has left a new comment on your post "Guess Who Is Working with the New Jeske-Patterson ...":

Check out these WELS Women's services:

http://www.welswomen.net/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=180006193&sec_id=180002756

I don't suppose you or your readers will enjoy reading these 'Church Services for women', but it is probably important to be aware of what is available on the official WELS site.

I read through a few of these "services" and was not surprised to see the expected Christmas hymns and various barely-liturgical orders of service. The sermons, or rather, narrative expositions, are similar to the saccharine fluff you might find in Reader's Digest, many times offering secular moral of "Christmas is more than just gifts and materialism...there is something else!!" The messages of these "services" are very nearly just as applicable to Hottentots and Hindoos as they are to Lutherans.

When these "Womans' Services" do mention The Christ, they do it like this:

" Narrator: Great bargains are exciting and good news from beloved family and friends can be a delight. But as good as the sales are this week, next week Kohl’s will announce the biggest sale of the season. As perfect as the perfect gift is, it will likely be lost, broken or worn out soon; and nothing can compare to the perfect gift of a Savior. ' (excerpt from Advent by Candlelight, written by Naomi Schmidt)

Is anyone else insulted? If you're not, you ought to be. I'm insulted firstly because they insult Jesus Christ by comparing him to a bargain (but a better bargain!!). By describing Jesus as the superlative of the capitalist shopper's notion of "a good deal" they trod on his glory and his sacrifice. I'm secondly insulted because the writers' condescension is blatant. Do they suppose that the average WELS woman is so ignorant and petty that she needs to be reminded that Christ's Universal Atonement and individual Justification by Faith is better than the Aaron Rodger's Jersey she bought for her husband? Naomi, thanks so much for the reminder. I'm going to write that down so I don't forget. Naomi has a special perspicuity that will go down in song, I'm sure.

I'm sorry if I get a little snide when angry, but this stuff borders on the ludicrous.

The term "worship service" or "The Divine Service" actually has meaning beyond an arbitrary selection of words. The etymology of the word 'service' from M-W.com: "Middle English, from Anglo-French servise, from Latin servitium condition of a slave, body of slaves, from servus slave. "

So if we talk about a worship service, it's proper to ask who is acting as a slave? Who is serving whom? Ask around and you'll get different answers, but the truth is that in The Divine Service, God is acting as servant, serving grace to the Elect through Word and Sacrament. It is so humbling beyond words that the Omnipotent God would serve his creations that perhaps the content and form of our Worship Services should reflect that juxtaposition. In any event, I think it's safe to say that it's flippant and foolish to craft a worship service devoid of Word and Sacrament. God has chosen The Means of Grace for a reason. It's hubris and unChristian to hold a service with those Means.

I, for one, will write the Synodical leaders concerning these so-called Services, asking them to edit them to include the Means of Grace. I encourage everyone to pull out their keyboards and do the same.

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John has left a new comment on your post "Guess Who Is Working with the New Jeske-Patterson ...":

I couldn't decide whether to reach for a tissue or a barf bag when reading what this supposedly Lutheran pastor and congregation recommend to readers of their site.

Their recommendation of churches that deny the efficacy of the Means of Grace is, in fact a statement of this pastor and congregation regarding the efficacy of the Means of Grace.

Accordingly, wouldn't anyone partnering with this pastor and congregation also be denying the efficacy of the Means of Grace?

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