Defeat the New HIV Translation at the WELS Convention: Posts about the Worst Translation Ever Linked Here

Update with some facts about the EVH and New NIV.

This is the sticky post, so you can find the material about the feminazi, Adam-as-a-myth NIV translation that the WELS Changers are lusting to adopt.

The billionaire Murdoch owns Zondervan, so WELS will be lining his pockets while destroying sound doctrine.

If you have a good post to contribute, send it as a comment. I will feature it and link it here afterwards. You may contribute an opposing position on this, as long as you argue your case well. 



WELS Adds To Its Sins 

Jim Becker Has a Suggestion 

WELS the Cutting Edge of Dumbing Down 

Ray Klatt on Translations 

WELS Church Lady on NNIV in Texas 

AC V on Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders and Teaching Him Justification without Faith 

Zorro on Pushing the NNIV Through...Fast

California Seconds Ray Klatt: The Main Issue - The Bible 

Southern Babtists Utterly Reject the NNIV 

Luther's Bible is the uncle of the KJV. 

Wikipedia Knows More than Mequon.

WELS editor Braun Unglued Over NNIV Objections.

The practicing lesbian on the NIV committee.

South Central District, WELS, against deciding in 2011.

The Process for Getting Rid of the KJV and Installing the NIV.

Even Paul McCain is against the NNIV. Shock!

Criminal Charges against Murdoch 

More about Bad Fathers and Bad Sons, Like Murdoch and Son 

The United Church of Christ and Feminazi Language 

WELS, McCain, and Otten Backing the Wrong Bible 

The Spirit of New Biblism - While Ignoring the 400th Anniversary of Luther's English Bible 

To Be Used at the WELS Convention - Lovin' It 

Tyndale enrolled at Wittenberg to study under Luther and Melanchthon. 

WELS Convention discussion against the NNIV. 

The Process 

No More Saints - Zero! - in the New NIV 

Saints Aint

Joe Krohn on Romans 3:21 ff.  

SP Schroeder's First Draft

Founder of Dynamic Equivalency NNIV - Dead

Two Methods To Defeat the NNIV

Read about Dean Burgon, Who Defended the KJV

Eight of the Worst Errors in the NNIV

ESV Editor, J. I. Packer, is a Calvinist.

The Evangelical Lutheran Synod is AGAINST the NNIV.

Geneva Gowns in a Bunch at LutherQueasy: They Deny the Efficacy of the Word

The UOJ posting giants at LutherQueasy deny the efficacy of the Word and ignore the final theological work of Robert Preus. The first item shows their ignorance and blasphemy; the second their lack of discernment. But discernment is a gift of the Holy Spirit, whose work they treat with contempt. Therefore, the Holy Spirit blinds their eyes and hardens their hearts as they strive to prove Knapp correct and St. Paul wrong.

Herman Otten's covert leaker, Pope Paul the Unlearned, started a thread on Bethany which sputtered to a stop.

What keeps Holy Communion from being a sacrament?

1. WELS has vicars consecrate.
   
2. WELS had women consecrating the elements, but that was put on hold. People are not ready for that...yet.
   
3. WELS and Missouri have had laymen consecrate, due to a lack of pastors available.
   
4. WELS, Missouri, and the LIttle Sect have argued that the elements are not consecrated until they are received by the communicant. That means women, men, and teens are consecrating by the act of receiving. The Syn Conference also argues, "We do not know when the elements are consecrated," which means they reject the efficacy of the Word.
   
5. WELS has distributed the elements without consecrating them, proving that those involved do not believe in the efficacy of the Word.
   
6. If a large crowd comes to church and communes, with some of them in an adjacent overflow room, listening on a speaker, are they receiving the consecrated elements?
   
7. If the overflow room is the fellowship hall in the basement, are they communing properly?
   
8. At a whale congregation, where hundreds come forward to communion, has everyone been examined, face-to-face, before the service? Has anyone?
   
9. At a whale congregation, do the pastors know that every single person coming forward is a member of the congregation and in agreement with the Book of Concord? Because the UOJ pastors are not!
10. If laymen take communion to the shut-ins, do they consecrate? Do the pastors consecrate before the trip, observing the Catholic reservation of the host?
    
11. If the congregation runs out of consecrated elements, are they brought in and distributed without a new consecration? What is the exact distanced needed for the elements to be non-consecrated? Is the sacristy close enough or too far? What if the cupboard doors are closed?
    
12. If the pastor is a blasphemer (as all UOJ Stormtroopers are), is the consecration valid? Or, do they think that someone who believes in the efficacy of the Word cannot properly offer Holy Communion?
    
13. Is the woman pastor at Latte Lutheran Church, the "minister of worship" there, consecrating? Is that valid if she is?
    
14. ELCA seminary students, women, bragged in their annual report that they consecrated and baptized at the LCMS congregations where they were hired. Were those sacraments valid? I asked Pope Paul the Unlearned about this, in his plush Purple Palace office, but he refused to accept the facts or deal with them.
    

The efficacious Word of God consecrates the elements. We set up our Ustream service, like the teleconference services before, simply for our own members. Bethany does not practice or advocate open communion, unlike some in the WELS (the mission board), ELS (Jay Webber), Missouri, and ELCA (everyone).

One of the dunces on LutherQueasy tried to claim that I was unsupervised, did whatever I wanted. What I teach and do is under the supervision of the congregational members. We discuss many things. In fact, I value their help in all my publications. I get immediate responses after the services.

I do not spend time posting on other websites, discussing someone else's ministry. I find it bizarre that someone without a call and without an education would do so, without even asking. Such ignorant truculence has a way of betraying itself.

Melanchthon - Repentance from the Augsburg Confession:Shows That UOJ Is Blasphemy

"Of Repentance they teach that for those who have fallen after Baptism there is remission of sins whenever they are converted; and that the Church ought to impart absolution to those thus returning to repentance. Now, repentance consists properly of these two parts: One is contrition, that is, terrors smiting the conscience through the knowledge of sin; the other is faith, which is born of the Gospel, or of absolution, and believes that, for Christ's sake, sins are forgiven, comforts the conscience, and delivers it from terrors. Then good works are bound to follow, which are the fruits of repentance."
Augsburg Confession, Article XII. Repentance. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 49. Tappert, p. 34f. Heiser, p. 13.

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Medium Rare observed:

"If I ask most any pastor, "Just what is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?" I expect the answer would be unbelief.

UOJs deny God the Holy Spirit in their denial of Justification by Faith. They deny that Holy God, the Word and Sacrament are creating or birthing, and sustaining eternal life of souls. That is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

UOJ is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."

Frosty Bivens, Valleskey Pal and Fuller Student Unloads on the Sign of the Cross

AC V has left a new comment on your post "Teaching the Gospel Means Rejecting False Doctrine...":

June 2011 FICl, p.9:

Q: "Why do we Lutherans seldom make the sign of the cross?"

A: "It is a sacrament that earns indulgences... The simple gesture is linked to the horrible doctrines like the treasury of the merits and Mariolatry."

Contributing author Forrest Bivens, please cite source. Does anyone anywhere really think making the sign of the cross is a sacrament that earns indulgences? Give me a break.

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GJ - Bivens is inept, consistently so.

ELCA knows better, here.

Wikipedia knows.


Here is a Missouri Synod source.

Even Jay Webber knows.

Bivens is an excellent example of the man who saw a bear attack his brother. His took out his knife to stab the bear and killed his brother instead. That is what people do when they react blindly against anything they decided is Roman Catholic.

Bivens, in the spirit of unionistic Pietism, was happy to go to Fuller Seminary, just about the most anti-Christian, anti-Lutheran, anti-Biblical school around. But he is stabbing away at the sign of the cross.

I use it several times during each service, but - I went to Notre Dame...

And I read Luther.

If Only Luther Had Gone to Halle University, Or Mequon, Or Concordia Seminary, Or the Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Let's Not Go Crazy on This Justification by Faith ...":

Luther, in his essay on Galatians, clearly shows that the Lutheran (sic) Synod's attack against Christ's Gospel with their promotion of Universal Objective Justification (Universal Reconciliation, General Justification, Objective Justification) is the real persecution by the Antichrist, in the last times. The UOJ denizens of Luther Qwest, Rolf Preus, Paul McCain, Jack Kilcrease, Jon Buchholz, Nathan Seiltz, Mark Zarling, (W)ELS South Central District clergy, Evergreen Lutheran High School, James Humann, S.W. Becker, Wendland etc, etc, are all active contributors to the denigration of the author and finisher of saving Christian faith, Jesus Christ.

12. As before said, they regard faith of slight importance; for they do not understand that it is our sole justifier. To accept as true the record of Christ--this they call faith. The devils have the same sort of faith, but it does not make them godly. Such belief is not Christian faith; no, it is rather deception.

15. ...You see how they make faith of no value to themselves, and so must regard as heresy all doctrine based upon it. Thus they do away with the whole Gospel. These are they who deny the Christian faith and exterminate it from the world. Paul prophesied concerning them when he said (1 Tim 4, 1): "In later times some shall fall away from the faith." The voice of faith is now silenced all over the world. Indeed, faith is condemned and banished as the worst heresy, and all who teach and endorse it are condemned with it. The Pope, the bishops, charitable institutions, cloisters, high schools, unanimously opposed it for nearly four hundred years, and simply drove the world violently into hell. Their conduct is the real persecution by Antichrist, in the last times.

22. Now, the Cain-like saints have not, as they themselves confess, the Christian faith which would assure them of being the children of God.

29. You cannot extricate yourself from unbelief, nor can the Law do it for you. All your works in intended fulfillment of the Law must remain works of the Law and powerless to justify in the sight of God, who regards as just only believing children.

37. Note, Paul everywhere teaches justification, not by works, but solely by faith; and not as a process, but instantaneous. The testament includes in itself everything--justification, salvation, the inheritance and great blessing. Through faith it is instantaneously enjoyed, not in part, but all. Truly is it plain, then, that faith alone affords such blessings of God, justification and salvation-- immediately and not in process as must be the case with works

74. But what is the process whereby Christ gives us such a spirit and redeems us from under the Law? The work is effected solely by faith. He who believes that Christ came to redeem us, and that he has accomplished it, is really redeemed. As he believes, so is it with him. Faith carries with it the child-making spirit. The apostle here explains by saying that Christ has redeemed us from under the Law that we might receive the adoption of sons. As before stated, all must be effected through faith. Now we have discussed the five points of the verse.

Luther on Faith - http://www.trinitylutheranms.org/MartinLuther/MLSermons/Galatians4_1_7.html

Now is the time to make a bold and public confession concerning the true Gospel of Christ. Denounce and refute the false man-made gospel of UOJ by the grace and mercy of God.

In Christ,
Brett

Let's Not Go Crazy on This Justification by Faith Heresy, Say WELS and the Syn Conference. Knapp Is a Snap To Learn

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "AC V - Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders, Teachin...":

I started out to quote more Buchholz false teachings in his 2005 Convention essay but ran across these Stoeckhardt quotes that are honored by the (W)ELS:

George Stoeckhardt writes:
"Never in this sense do we hear it presented: I believe; I am conscious of the fact that I believe on my Savior. Therefore I am justified in the sight of God. A believing Christian does not make the pulse of his faith-life the criterion of his state of grace… The believer rather makes this conclusion: O, how godless I still am. Out of my heart godless thoughts continue to arise. There is no doubt but that I am a poor, unworthy sinner. My sin is ever before me. But now God’s Word tells me, that God has already declared godless Sinners righteous. Thus I belong without any doubt whatsoever in the number of those whom God justifies (St. Römerbrief, p. 185)."

"When we twenty-first century, English-speaking, WELS Lutherans consider this comparison, we realize that we indeed owe a debt of gratitude to Professor
Stoeckhardt. As heirs of the Wauwatosa theology, we see Stoeckhardt’s influence on our approach to the Scriptures, to theology in general, to the Lutheran Confessions, to the Lutheran fathers, and to Luther himself. Certainly, our Wauwatosa forefathers imitated Stoeckhardt; Koehler actually sat at Stoeckhardt’s feet during his days at Concordia Seminary. Through their faithful imitation and transmission of Stoeckhardt’s approach, we enjoy the blessings of Stoeckhardt’s work today." Page 4
http://www.wlsessays.net/files/WillkommStoeckhardt.pdf

Here are quotes that are not honored by the (W)ELS:

Christ declares in Scripture:
2 Corinthians 13:5, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

BOC: 6] Let any one of the adversaries come forth and tell us when remission of sins takes place. O good God, what darkness there is! They doubt whether it is in attrition or in contrition that remission of sins occurs. And if it occurs on account of contrition, what need is there of absolution, what does the power of the keys effect, if sins have been already remitted?…"
http://www.bookofconcord.org/defense_10_repentance.php

BOC: 64] But since we speak of such faith as is not an idle thought, but of that which liberates from death and produces a new life in hearts [which is such a new light, life, and force in the heart as to renew our heart, mind, and spirit, makes new men of us and new creatures,] and is the work of the Holy Ghost; this does not coexist with mortal sin [for how can light and darkness coexist?]
http://www.bookofconcord.org/defense_4_justification.php

Barna Feeds the Beast

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Monthly Viewing Up 38% From One Year Ago.2,000 Pag...":

Barna's research since 2005 states that 43% of American's believe in Universalism.

http://www.barna.org/faith-spirituality/484-what-americans-believe-about-universalism-and-pluralism

Monthly Viewing Up 38% From One Year Ago.2,000 Page-Reads a Day Common Now

George Barna has made a bundle bewitching church leaders who enjoy the enchantment.

AC V - Grabbing St. Paul by the Shoulders, Teaching Him Justification without Faith

AC V has left a new comment on your post "NNIV in WELS: Pro and Con. The Convicts Love the ...":

Re NNIV "improvements":

In some passages of great theological significance, a significant improvement can genuinely assist the reader in grasping the truth of God’s Word. Similarly, a significant weakening can obscure what our God would have us know (see criterion # 4 above). Among the former, we might point to Romans 3:23-24, so crucial to our understanding of justification:

NIV84 Ro 3:23-24 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

New NIV Ro 3:23-24 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

The addition of the little word “all” is significant, since it clarifies Paul’s intended meaning: God has declared all guilty sinners not guilty by his gracious, saving work in Christ Jesus.

- p. 5, lines 167-173, "Translation Evaluation committee - Supplemental Report for the 2011 WELS Convention." Pastor John A. Braun, Professor Kenneth A. Cherney Jr., Professor Thomas P. Nass, Pastor Joel V. Petermann, Prof. Paul O. Wendland.

Did you catch that: "since it clarifies Paul’s intended meaning"? Wow, to know the mind of St. Paul! "Paul, you're not teaching UOJ. We'll help you out there."

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GJ - I took the headline from Luther's description of false teachers. Here we have an excellent example of papalism in the Wisconsin Sect, seeking out support for their false doctrine.

Watch the Little Sect on the Prairie cringe and fawn.

Dr. Lito Cruz Was Saying This About Mary.Infallible Doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church

Sign up for Purgatory here.
Meet Father Neuhaus there.
Watch "Party in the MLC" - part of the torture in Purgatory.

The zeal and love of the Blessed Virgin Mary have such influence in obtaining God’s help for us that, just as through her, God came down to earth, so through her, man mounts up to heaven. But just as man’s iniquity often calls down God’s indignation, God’s Mother is the rainbow of the eternal covenant for mankind’s salvation. For, while the prayers of those in heaven have certainly some claim on the watchful eye of God, Mary’s prayers place their assurance on the right of a mother. For that reason, when she approaches the throne of her Divine Son, she begs as an advocate, she prays as a handmaid, but she commands as mother.

Pope Pius X, Apost. Consti, Tanto studio, February 19, 1905. Mary, Mother of the Church, p. 9.

WELS To Add to Its Sins with the NNIV. Adam Is a Myth.Everyone Is Born Forgiven

 AC V has left a new comment on your post "NNIV in WELS: Pro and Con. The Convicts Love the ...":

NNIV Romans 3:23,24:

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Italicized "all" is not in the original Greek. Yet the "ad fontes" WELS endorses the NNIV. In fact, the committee commending the NNIV to the synod in convention this summer highlights these verses as an improvement of the NIV.

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Read This Response to Patterson's Excommunicating ...":

2138, excellent points. Thanks for highlighting them.

Everyone, think about it. Let it sink in. These are profound observations. And right under your nose... as LutherRocks said, for centuries.

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GJ -

Born free, as free as Hugh Hefner,
As free as a Changer
Born free to follow your whims.

Live free, spent bottles surround you
Repentance astounds you
Each time you look at a star.*

Stay free, where no one can say "No."
You're free as a roaring Id
So no impulse is hid.

Born free, thanks to NNIV
But just that NIV
Says you're born free!

*Scholars are divided, but many think this refers to Katy Perry or Fergie.

Read This Response to Patterson's Excommunicating Joe and Lisa Krohn

2138 said...

"As Lutherans, we believe that the Holy Spirit is never separated from the Word or the Means of Grace. It is mentioned throughout Scripture and in the Lutheran Confessions in the explanation of the Third Article of the Apostles Creed. Note that the forgiveness of sins is here and not in the Second Article; it is a work of the Holy Spirit:" I believe you may be on to something, highlighting the location of "the forgiveness of sins" in the Creed. It does not read, "...was crucified, died, forgiving the sins of the world whether they believe it or not, and was buried." It does not read, "On the third day he rose again from the dead, distributing forgiveness to the entire world." The Gausewitz catechism did not speak of a blanket forgiveness of the world, apart from the Means of Grace. "263. To whom does God forgive sins? To me and all believers. 264. Where are sins forgiven? In the Christian Church on earth." There was a noticeable change in the Kuske catechism's treatment of the forgiveness of sins. Strangely, the word "forgiveness" is not even used in the following questions/answers from the "Forgiveness of Sins" section! "253. How many people did God declare righteous? God declared all people righteous (Objective justification). 255. Why is it important, then, that the Holy Ghost work faith in me? It is important that the Holy Ghost work faith in me so that I do not trust in my own works but only in the righteousness God gives me by grace in Christ (Subjective justification)."

June 8, 2011 8:49 PM

LutherRocks said...

I'm not onto anything new 2138...Luther and the reformers were onto the truth 400 years ago amid the garbage of the day...the apostates still try to cover the truth with garbage...

Jim Becker Has a Suggestion

norcal763 has left a new comment on your post "Everyone in the World Is Forgiven--Except Rich Tec...":

When are we gonna mobilize? There are 350,000-plus members, dozens of malcontents on this blog, pastors loyal to the truth, and even more pastors who will flip when we prevail. There are a few apostates and a handful of Synod "leaders" who won't step up. WE SURROUND THEM! How many good Lutherans have to be spiritually martyred before we do something? We need a March on Milwaukee to take back the Synod. Then on to Appleton to pull a Luther and throw the goods at their backs as they leave town. It's summer and we can MAKE the time. E-mail: jsbtjbec@pacbell.net.
Party's over, creeps.
Jim Becker

Karen has left a new comment on your post "Everyone in the World Is Forgiven--Except Rich Tec...":

I do not think that they are really malcontents. Perhaps people who have woke up and realized that their church is no longer their church. Many of the WELS pastors are faithful however; their marching orders come from the WELS Mafioso (synod). We need to get the “family” out of the synod. Norcal763 is right it is now or never.

Teaching the Gospel Means Rejecting False Doctrine

Many pleasant reconciliations have taken place in the last few months. Although some people have set their nasty meter on max, others have contacted me to renew old friendships or start new ones. The Gospel accomplishes such good things, because the power of the Word of God is greater than anything man can imagine.

The passage above is a good illustration, especially in these days of side-stepping to Rome (sinuflecting). The Lutherans who follow Father Neuhaus in gradually embracing Rome, with as many victims as possible, will never post that quotation from the Augsburg Confession.

The true Gospel is expressed beautifully in Luther's sermons, the Book of Concord, Chemnitz, and Chytraeus. Anyone who wants comfort and strength should begin and end with those works.

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Teaching the Gospel Means Rejecting False Doctrine...":

The crypto-papist Lutherans mainly I observe from LC-MS can not relate to the above words.

As an ex-RC kid, I was taught by the priest and nuns that Momma Mary is more merciful than Jesus. In fact we had pictures of Christ stern and always now ready to pounce. So they teach that Mary is much milder, gentler than Christ, this is still their teaching today.

You need Mary as your fixer to Jesus.

LPC

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GJ - Yes, Dr. Cruz. I have a quotation I will soon publish on this. One writer observed religious art where Mary is physically restraining Jesus from hitting the sinner. The trouble with lowest-common-denominator religion is that it keeps getting lower all the time. Thus the Enthusiasts of the Syn Conference train their disciples to become Enthusiasts for the Church of Rome. If Whorely Mother Church must be adored as the true religion (WELS, LCMS, Little Sect on the Prairie), then why not "return to Rome" where they do it right? No one has better assembly-line saints, works salesmen, and propaganda than Rome.

Absolution? - ACV Implies a Means of Grace Model, Instead of the Thrivent Business Approach

AC V has left a new comment on your post "Absolution - As Though We Heard a Voice from Heave...":

When was the last time you heard a synod official encourage a return to the practice of regular reception of Private Absolution (i.e. scheduled on the church calendar) as a way to spiritual renewal of your church/synod?

Melanchthon - The Sacraments as the Visible Word

And God, at the same time, by the Word and by the rite, moves hearts to believe and conceive faith, just as Paul says, Rom. 10:17: Faith cometh by hearing. But just as the Word enters the ear in order to strike our heart, so the rite itself strikes the eye, in order to move the heart. The effect of the Word and of the rite is the same, as it has been well said by Augustine that a Sacrament is a visible word, because the rite is received by the eyes, and is, as it were, a picture of the Word, signifying the same thing as the Word. Therefore the effect of both is the same.
Apology of the Augsburg Confession, XIII, #5. Book of Concord.

Melanchthon - The Sacraments and Their Efficacy

"If we call Sacraments rites which have the command of God, and to which the promise of grace has been added, it is easy to decide what are properly Sacraments...Therefore Baptism, the Lord's Supper, and Absolution, which is the Sacrament of Repentance, are truly Sacraments. For these rites have God's command and the promise of grace, which is peculiar to the New Testament. For when we are baptized, when we eat the Lord's body, when we are absolved, our hearts must be firmly assured that God truly forgives us for Christ's sake. And God, at the same time, by the Word and by the rite, moves hearts to believe and conceive faith, just as Paul says, Romans 10:17: 'Faith cometh by hearing.' But just as the Word enters the ear in order to strike our heart, so the rite itself strikes the eye, in order to move the heart. The effect of the Word and of the rite is the same as it has been well said by Augustine that a Sacrament is a visible word, because the rite is received by the eyes, and is, as it were, a picture of the Word, signifying the same thing as the Word. Therefore the effect of both is the same."
[Luther, Bab Captivity, 3 sacraments]
Apology Augsburg Confession, XIII,#3. Number/Use Sacraments. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 309. Tappert, p. 211. Heiser, p. 94.