Thursday, June 16, 2011

LPC - On the Faith of Abraham





LPC has left a new comment on your post "Joe Krohn: Abraham Was Justified by Faith":

rlschultz and JK are onto something. When UOJers deny that the same faith of Abraham is the same faith we have today in Christ, they are functioning dispensationalists.

Jesus rejects this dispensationalism for the Lord said that Abraham rejoiced to see my day.

John 8:56

One error leads to the next, same thing that happens in Romanism.

Some Hyper-Dispensationalists have gone out to say that Baptism is not even for us today.

Also Dispensationalism makes faith a work of man.

LPC

Joe Krohn:
Abraham Was Justified by Faith





Thursday, June 16, 2011


A New Dispensationalism

The false extreme teaching of Objective Justification teaches that everyone in the world is forgiven; even before they are born.   So my question naturally is; 'Including all those who ever lived?  Including those before Christ's death/resurrection?  Was Adam forgiven before he was created?  This false teaching seems to find it's grounding in the work of the cross.  For us A.D. folks, I can sort of buy it; until of course you examine the work of the Holy Ghost, the forgiveness of sins and the Means of Grace; all of which the Holy Ghost is present in.  So if this is true for us New Testament believers and we know God's relationship with His people never changes, it goes that even though the the O.T believers did not have the sacraments, they still had the Holy Ghost in and with the Word spake by the prophets; the Means of Grace.



As the Church Catholic we believe this statement to be true and the hallmark of our faith:

"The sinner is justified by grace for Christ’s sake through faith."  We know this to be absolutely true by these words in Romans 4 leading into chapter 5:  "16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17 As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.”[c] He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.  18 Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”[d] 19 Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead. 20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, 21 being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. 22 This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” 23 The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, 24 but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. 25 He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. 1 Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we[a] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we[b] rejoice in the hope of the glory of God."

The keyword throughout those passages is key.  Promise.  What is that promise?  That God will justify the sinner by grace for Christ's sake through faith.  This statement is true for all men of all time.  God promised in Eden that he would provide for mankind a Savior, namely Christ who would expiate the sin of the world in man's place. (Gen. 3:15)  From the very beginning God was reconciling men to him through Christ. (2 Cor. 5:19)  Note here that at the end of verse twenty, Paul says 'be reconciled to God'.  That is key.  It can only mean that all men are not reconciled (hence unforgiven) to God and that the only way is through faith in Christ and His promise (there's that word again) of forgiveness.

But that is not what Pastor Patterson is preaching when he says in a sermon on January 30, 2011 that we were forgiven before we were born...before we ever heard the Word of God; or were baptized into faith by the Holy Ghost.

Or when he says:

May 26, 2011 in an email Patterson said: "If I understand all of your recent emails correctly, you wish to remain members of Holy Word only if you can convince us of the errors of our ways in regard to my preaching that "we were forgiven by God in Christ before we believed that we are forgiven"

From an email exchange of 4-4-2011: "But you have to understand that forgiveness, reconciliation, justification, atonement - all describe the amazing grace of God given for this whole world irrespective our faith or repsonse. (sic) God loves us all and forgives us all long before we do anything at all -"

From an email exchange of 2-4-2011.  I could almost buy into this one, except when you hear what he preaches along with the more recent quotes, you can see he is equating justification with forgiveness as in universal absolution:  "That the Bible speaks of justification by faith I will not disagree (how could I) but unless he had already done all the work objectively- then we have no hope - he objectively justified the whole world 2 Corinthians 5:19 and only those who beleive (sic) receive the benefits -John 3:16." 

And there are others teaching this false doctrine.  This paper came highly recommended by Pastor Patterson.  He emailed it to me and asked me to read it.  Pastor Buchholz (AZ/CA District President) summarily discredits Prof. Sig Becker in his defense of the Kokomo Statements in the appendix, but spends the essay defending the very theology of Becker.  Here are some excerpts from the Buchholz essay:


"Let’s begin by considering the word justification. The basic meaning of justify is to prove something to be right, just or valid; to absolve; or to free a person from guilt or sin. Justification is the act of justifying, absolving, or declaring free from guilt. To be justified is to be forgiven"

"Here is the legal or juridical nature of justification, revealed at Calvary. The change does not take place in the sinner. The change takes place in the relationship or the status between a sinner and God. A verdict has been rendered, which declares man free of sin and guilt, righteous in God’s sight, and worthy of eternal life, for Jesus’ sake."

It is here where the theology goes wrong.  The status was never changed at Calvary.  He is making it a Second Article forgiveness of sins and this is wrong.  The relationship with God and man was changed in the Garden of Eden when God made a promise (there's that word) to provide an out for man through faith in Christ as Savior (it was as good as done); worked by the Holy Ghost preached by the prophets;  the message of repentance and the remission of sins.  We know this to be true as before Christ even died on the cross, there was Moses and Elijah with Him at the Transfiguration.  Or when He told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him that very day in Paradise." 

"Faith lays hold of the completed work of Christ for comfort and the certainty of salvation. “Whoever believes in him is not condemned” (John 3:18a). “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see” (Hebrews 11:1)."

Again he has made a statement that only applies to A.D. believers, but uses verses that refer to B.C. Christians too.

There is so much more from the paper that contradicts itself and shows what an utterly disjointed theology this is like this one:

"In speaking of objective and subjective justification we may never use these terms to imply that there are two justifications. There is one justification; it is an objective, universal reality, completed by Christ at Calvary, and appropriated subjectively through faith."

A Patterson email of 4-20-2011 says, “Truly, so much that we proclaim about the work of Christ cannot be said in the exact same words about the OT saints and their faith.”

This is how Wikipedia defines Dispensationalism:  "Dispensationalism is a nineteenth-century evangelical development based on a futurist biblical hermeneutic that sees a series of chronologically successive "dispensations" or periods in history in which God relates to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants."

Now I realize that the dispensationalism described in the article refers to  a specific theology, but the spirit of the term seems to fit this extreme teaching of Objective Justification.  It never deals with it's workings in regards to OT believers as evidenced by Pastor Patterson's quote.  Is this not preaching God relating to mankind in different ways regarding His covenant of forgiveness, by grace for the sake of Christ through faith alone?


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GJ - Kelm is the sterling example of double-speak in WELS. In fact, many of the Church and Change leaders have probably used this method quite deliberately, to fool everyone. Part A is - Of course we know... Part B reverses that position. In the Kelm quote above, the Lutheran approach is mentioned first as justification for using magisterial reason from the Calvinists: Lewis, Schaeffer, and Josh McDowell. The climax is the absurd "Lord, Liar, Lunatic" sales pitch. Either Jesus was the Lord, or He was a liar, or He was a lunatic. Pick one. Lord? Now you can make a decision for Christ. Pray for Him to enter your heart by reciting this prayer.

Luther - The Abundance of God's Grace - Smalcald Articles


Martin Luther, Smalcald Articles, The Book of Concord, Part III, Article IV. Of the Gospel.

We will now return to the Gospel, which not merely in one way gives us counsel and aid against sin; for God is superabundantly rich [and liberal] in His grace [and goodness]. First, through the spoken Word by which the forgiveness of sins is preached [He commands to be preached] in the whole world; which is the peculiar office of the Gospel. Secondly, through Baptism. Thirdly, through the holy Sacrament of the Altar. Fourthly, through the power of the keys, and also through the mutual conversation and consolation of brethren, Matt. 18:20: Where two or three are gathered together, etc.

Martin Luther on Faith - The Large Catechism




This is again most beautifully and clearly expressed in the words: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. That is, faith alone makes the person worthy to receive profitably the saving, divine water. For, since these blessings are here presented and promised in the words in and with the water, they cannot be received in any other way than by believing them with the heart. 34] Without faith it profits nothing, notwithstanding it is in itself a divine superabundant treasure. Therefore this single word (He that believeth) effects this much that it excludes and repels all works which we can do, in the opinion that we obtain and merit salvation by them. For it is determined that whatever is not faith avails nothing nor receives anything.
Martin Luther, The Book of Concord, The Large Catechism, Holy Baptism, #33f.

Universal Objective Justification Rejects
The Formula of Concord:
Abraham Justified by Faith






"Here belongs also what St. Paul writes Romans 4:3, that Abraham was justified before God by faith alone, for the sake of the Mediator, without the cooperation of his works, not only when he was first converted from idolatry and had no good works, but also afterwards, when he had been renewed by the Holy Ghost, and adorned with many excellent good works, Genesis 15:6; Hebrews 11:8. And Paul puts the following questions, Romans 4:1ff.: On what did Abraham's righteousness before God for everlasting life, by which he had a gracious God, and was pleasing and acceptable to Him, rest at that time?"
Formula of Concord, SD III. #33. Righteousness of Faith. Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 927. Tappert, p. 545. Heiser, p. 252. Romans 4:3; Romans 4:1ff; Genesis 15:6; Hebrews 11:8.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Learn about Justification by Faith By Observing WE...":

Abraham believed and it was credited to him as righteousness. Teaching justification by faith alone implies that belief equals faith. Therefore, Abraham was saved by faith. Mr Meyer - your opponents argument that Christ had not come yet in Abraham's is true but it will lead to crypto-dispensationalism, as was pointed out earlier here on Ichabod.

KJV Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

KJV Galatians 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

KJV James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

KJV Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Learn about Justification by Faith By Observing WELS Opposition to the Gospel



Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Brett Meyer on Buchholz Essay":

LutherRocks, I had the same experience multiple times. They would argue that it was different for Abraham since "Christ hadn't come yet". When I pointed out that Scripture declares the way of righteousness, for the forgiveness of sins, is the same for us as it was for Abraham, they told me to speak to the Synod officials. My brother-in-law even began yelling at me over the phone. He was on the (W)ELS school board that sent me the letter quoting August Pieper who said that you stab the Gospel in the heart if you ever so much emphasize Justification by faith and are on the way to losing your faith altogether.

The Lutheran Synods, churches and schools have abandoned Justification by Faith. It is now anathema. And cling to Justification before and without faith for assurance that they are forgiven, justified and children of God regardless of their faith. They have gone about to establish a new way to righteousness before God and have condemned themselves and those who believe what they teach without testing the spirits with Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions. The Lutheran Synods, Thrivent and a love of man has made them ripe for the picking by the New Age Religion.

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GJ - I hear Kudu Don Patterson loves the Buchholz essay. You can bet that Buchholz speaks the same double-talk as SPindoktor Mark Schroeder about UOJ double-justification.

The sad thing is - they do not realize that their incomprehensible words are the opposite of Luther and the Book of Concord.

Roger's Brother Is Looking for Digital Sources,
Orthodox Lutheran Books

A.D. is a Lutheran. He is shown looking for Kudu Don's new multi-site, figuring they would market a popular brand in Texas.
Everything is adiaphora in Kudu-Don-land, except UOJ.



I am trying to put together a set of electronic literature for African Pastors (Not that such would hurt for American). There will be a problem getting them to have and use computers, but cell phone proliferation has astounded so computers probably will too. Anyway no one could afford the paper ...

Chemnitz' Loci Theologic, "Garrett" mentioned translating. Would he have an eletronic version available? CPH is only interested in money ...

I have Keil Delitz and Edersheim electronic. Will be looking for your listings of basic authors.

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GJ - All Martin Chemnitz Press books are free PDF downloads at Lulu.com. Three books are being turned into e-books by Lulu. I am also looking at Amazon resources.

Lulu link for Martin Chemnitz Press books.