Saturday, November 12, 2011

Comment from the Martin Chemnitz Press Blog



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I greatly appreciate your materials on M.Chemnitz Press. I am a former Anglican (bishop) who by God's grace has been led to the pure doctrine of Gospel as believed and confessed in the Book of Concord.

Shock - Schmeling Quotes Leyser!
Why Does He Tolerate UOJ, Church Growth,
And Other Wauwatosa Maladies?



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"Lutherans have far more in common with Romanists than with Calvinists." - Polykarp Leyser

Gayling R. Schmeling in a paper entitled "Polykarp Leyser (1552-1610): A Theological Bridge Between Chemnitz and Gerhard" cites that quote by Leyser in the context of these comments:

"... there was a movement toward a new iconoclasm among the Reformed. They rejected the Lutheran use of the high altars, the Flügelaltar, crucifix, and so forth. The Calvinists said that the Bible spoke of none of these things and that they were idolatry. The Lutherans responded that such things were not forbidden in Scripture and that they were good teaching tools for the people. These things were the laymen’s Bible in a time when literacy was by no means universal. The altar pictures, the stained glass windows, and the crucifix portrayed the way of salvation.

Whenever the Calvinists gained control in a territory, they removed the beautiful altars and
replaced them with communion tables. They threw out the altar pictures and crucifixes and whitewashed the sanctuary. They whitewashed the sanctuary as the Turks had whitewashed Hagia Sophia, so their sanctuaries looked more like a mosque than a church. Polykarp Leyser complained that 'wherever these Calvinists gain the upper hand, they remove all pictures, paintings, crucifixes from churches and altars … as has already happened in France, the Low Countries, and other places where churches now look like horse stables.' The Reformed said that the altar paintings and crucifixes were nothing but papal idolatries, but how could they say that about the altars of Lucas Cranach and other evangelical painters?"


Leyser has this zinger: “If our Calvinist friends really are such pure Christians with such tender consciences that they cannot tolerate any pictures in church, why do they not object to the images that are imprinted on the red gulden or silver thalers which they carry in their pockets? I have never seen them throw any of these away.”

Schmeling concludes: "This famous dictum of Leyser (i.e. "Lutherans have far more in common with Romanists than with Calvinists.") was the common opinion of orthodox Lutherans during the lengthy conflict with the Reformed in the early seventeenth century."

Is that the common opinion in WELS Lutheranism today? Well, you know the answer.

Schmeling's paper:

http://www.blts.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/GRS-Leyser.pdf 

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GJ - The last I knew of the Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie (Bethany Seminary), the Book of Concord was prominent in the classroom. How does one reconcile knowing about P. Leyser and overlooking the doctrinal crimes of ELS-WELS?

Once again it is the Penn State syndrome - knowing but doing nothing, which is the same as enabling the criminal.

The ELS once stood up to the Missouri Synod, publicly accusing its sister synod in the Olde Synodical Conference of apostasy. That was when they had leaders like Ylvisaker instead of yes-men like Schmeling and Moldstad.

They know they will pass from memory in 20 years, thanks to their own self-study. Why not go out with a bang instead of a whimpering "amen" to WELS' heresies?

Gaylin said at the ELS convention, "If Wayne Mueller become president of WELS, we should break fellowship with them." George Orvick made a face. That was long ago, and Schmeling is calmer now. Comatose.

Friday, November 11, 2011

Exploring Bentonville, Arkansas, Home Of The Crystal Bridges Museum Of American Art (VIDEO)

Exploring Bentonville, Arkansas, Home Of The Crystal Bridges Museum Of American Art (VIDEO):


Bentonville

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Bethania to host interfaith Thanksgiving service



Bethania to host interfaith Thanksgiving service:

GJ - This is ancient news and not edgy if ELCA is doing it. Mark Jeske participated in a joint service with a rabbi and a priest or witch-doctor. No one did anything. The Milwaukee paper wrote it up.

The Wisconsin sect considers this evangelism while glancing at Ichabod is breaking fellowship with them. Perhaps that is a good thing.

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Luther Rocks: The English Translations are Not the Word of God...



Luther Rocks: The English Translations are Not the Word of God...:

GJ - A Gnostic concept of the Scriptures is being floated - to win UOJ arguments.

Or Roman Catholic - Only the priesthood can announce Christian doctrine, and priests are infallible as long as they are in agreement with the pope at headquarters.

This is also a Muslim hermaneutic, because the only real Koran is in Arabic.



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Thursday, November 10, 2011

The Mequon, Mankato, and Concordia Faculties Have a Lot of 'Splaining To Do

C. F. W. Walther


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Part 3, Chapter 3, On faith in Christ

http://www.projectwittenberg.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/baier/cpt-3-03.txt

1. So that sinful humans may reach eternal salvation through Christ the mediator, faith in Christ is required or, it is required that they trust in Christ as mediator.


7. However at the same time it is clear, in what way the same merit of Christ, the forgiveness of sins and life eternal, acquired by Christ for all humans, are applied to the believing through faith, so that truly the sharers of those things are restored.

Part 3, Chapter 5, On justification

http://www.projectwittenberg.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/baier/cpt-3-05.txt

1. Justification, which closely follows conversion, has a legal significance and it indicates that act, by which God the judge pronounces a human guilty of sins and so also a criminal of guilt and punishment, but the ones believing in Christ, he pronounces righteous; about which it is not established from reason, but from the evangelical Scriptures.

5. And thus to this same process of justification pertains, that God, as a judge of a human accused by the law and convicted of sin, however at the same time by believing in Christ thus he recognizes a cause, so that indeed special justice catches one to be left both to death and to eternal damnation, however he judges to pertain to him or he imputes to him the merit of Christ received by faith, so that therefore he does not fully hold for the sinner, but he absolves from the accusation and obligation to punishment.

15. It is possible to define justification, that it is an act of the divine will, by which the triune God by his free grace on account of the merits of Christ apprehended by human sinners through faith, reborn or converted, forgives sins - the cause of the following eternal salvation.

The Two Martins and Their Two Birthdays

Luther was born on November 10, 1483.



Martin Chemnitz was born November 9, 1522.
Like Tyndale (the real author of the KJV), he studied
under Luther and Melanchthon.

Happy Hunting - Baier Walther Compend


Pastor Loerber heard the confessions,
but the alternative story is that many already knew.
Bishop Stephan was already in court in Dresden for his infidelities,
before they left for America.
The confessions were used as an excuse to suddenly turn on their leader.

I believe many can benefit from studying the Walther edition of the Baier compend. Learn redaction criticism the hard way - by reading.

Baier-Walther.

This is in English - easy going.

When you find something, send a comment with the link. Exact quotations are appreciated. So is commentary.

 Walther's Pastoral Theology is filled with wisdom.
Missouri and WELS follow the same abusive template today.

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Part 3, Chapter 3, On faith in Christ

http://www.projectwittenberg.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/baier/cpt-3-03.txt

1. So that sinful humans may reach eternal salvation through Christ the mediator, faith in Christ is required or, it is required that they trust in Christ as mediator.


7. However at the same time it is clear, in what way the same merit of Christ, the forgiveness of sins and life eternal, acquired by Christ for all humans, are applied to the believing through faith, so that truly the sharers of those things are restored.

Part 3, Chapter 5, On justification

http://www.projectwittenberg.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/baier/cpt-3-05.txt

1. Justification, which closely follows conversion, has a legal significance and it indicates that act, by which God the judge pronounces a human guilty of sins and so also a criminal of guilt and punishment, but the ones believing in Christ, he pronounces righteous; about which it is not established from reason, but from the evangelical Scriptures.

5. And thus to this same process of justification pertains, that God, as a judge of a human accused by the law and convicted of sin, however at the same time by believing in Christ thus he recognizes a cause, so that indeed special justice catches one to be left both to death and to eternal damnation, however he judges to pertain to him or he imputes to him the merit of Christ received by faith, so that therefore he does not fully hold for the sinner, but he absolves from the accusation and obligation to punishment.

15. It is possible to define justification, that it is an act of the divine will, by which the triune God by his free grace on account of the merits of Christ apprehended by human sinners through faith, reborn or converted, forgives sins - the cause of the following eternal salvation.

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All UOJ proponents play loose with the Words of Scripture. They determine the rules of the game, when Justification means Objective and when it means Subjective. Their penchant for wider and narrower meanings of God's concise and specific declarations in Scripture have carried them to the edge of the abyss. One word which they haven't been able to play so recklessly with is 'reconciled'. UOJ perverts God's Word and teaches that the whole unbelieving world has been reconciled to God through Christ's atonement. They point to Walther's universalistic statements to prove that's what God meant when He had the prophets write His "Do-words" (a reference to the false ichablog's disjointed diatribe).

Contrary to UOJ's blasphemy here is a clear and faithful statement that harmonizes with the Lutheran Confessions:

"24...truly the gospel points to the mediator himself, and through him the being accomplished grace of God and the forgiveness of sins. From where the law indeed prepares the human soul for the receiving faith, however the gospel kindles the same faith, by which sinners are reconciled to God."

http://www.projectwittenberg.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/baier/cpt-3-07.txt

Thoughts on Analytical Chemistry - From a Non-Chemist



I was in a special chem-physics class in high school. My lab partner earned a PhD in math. Another friend in class earned a PhD in rocket science. A third student won a full scholarship at Yale College. The class taught me that chemistry was more than filling the house with smoke from a Gilbert Chemistry set and having my parents yell down the basement steps, "What are doing down there? It smells like Hell!" That was the burning sulfur.

Much later, a tour of the Dow analytical chemistry labs in Midland, Michigan taught me that the key to identifying chemicals was getting them excited and reading how the ingredients responded. I wrote about this before, but some of you have not memorized all 7,000 posts yet.

Doctrinal polemics are quite similar. If I ask someone what he really teaches (exciting the ingredients) his response will tell me what the actual components are. Lutherans do this without shame or shyness. The Pietists loathe doctrinal discussions unless they can agree to all disbelieve together - true unity.

Chemnitz was a master polemicist and the senior Concordist.
Few Lutheran pastors know or appreciate his work.


About 20 years ago, a WELS pastor told me that he could barely organize a theology conference. No one wanted to admit that their little group was all over the place. Two more decades of neglect have only made things worse.

When Mark Schroeder was elected Synod President, replacing the fleeing ex-SP, I suggested a thorough study of the Book of Concord by all congregations. Needless to say, no one wanted to do that. The pastors are trained against the Confessions, returning the ministerium to the time when the first SP called the confessions "paper fences." Bading and Hoenecke changed that - Bading at Historic St. John's, Hoenecke at the seminary.

The fake blog is emitting panic signals, which I take to be reflective of the general state of the Changer leadership. Although they have hidden away in plain site, now they are easily identified. Their hideous doctrine is revealed and UOJ is understood as anti-Gospel rather than immutable Gospel truth. Worst of all - for the Changers - WELS members have done the research and helped put together a coherent portrait of UOJ.

Recent discussions revealed how Jay Webber was willing to quote an out-of-the-closet Pietist against Chemnitz.

The Calvinist-Pietist bloodline is UOJ, the Holy Spirit divorced from the Word and Sacrament, efficacy coming from chance or the clever methods of man.

The Biblical Lutheran bloodline is justification by faith alone, the Holy Spirit working through the efficacious Word in the Means of Grace.

Any person can ask the right questions and get the pastors, seminary professors, and synod drones to emit signals. Those signals clearly show where they belong in the universe of confessions.

I am not asking anyone to agree with me. I am not the ruling norm (the Scriptures), and not the ruled norm (Confessions). Debate means that people are awake and ware about the Confessions. That will determine where someone is. Those who loathe the Confessions and find them boring are the Pietists. They may believe now but they are on the way to Unitarianism or Pentecostalism, the two routes of Enthusiasm.

I am simply following John 16:8, where the Holy Spirit rebukes and convicts - You do not utterly trust in Jesus. How strange to have "conservative" Lutheran pastors enraged by John 16:8, by Luther, by the orthodox Lutheran writers.


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Solid. These are the kind of posts that keep an orthodox Lutheran grounded; the kind that I have always appreciated...even when I was on the other side of that fence so to speak. All the Fake-O-Bodians have to offer when presented with such is ad hominem...

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GJ - Joe, few of us were born with the Triglotta in one hand and the Weimar edition of Luther in the other. Doctrinal turmoil makes us hunger and thirst for the truth, and the Word fills us accordingly.

ELCA News Service - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

ELCA News Service - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:

Kathryn M. Lohre
Married? Life Partner?
She got her honorary degree in Mishawaka, Indiana.
No jokes, please.

ELCA NEWS SERVICE
November 9, 2011
First ELCA member installed as National Council of Churches president
11-134-MRC



CHICAGO (ELCA) -- Kathryn M. Lohre was installed as president of the National Council of Churches Nov. 9 at a service held at the Lutheran Center here. A member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), Lohre is the first Lutheran and ELCA member to serve as president of the council and the youngest woman to serve in that role.


While her presidency marks these two historic firsts, it will also be the first time a woman succeeds a woman as president of the council. [ GJ - Maybe no straight man wanted to helm the S. S. Titanic.]


 Lohre said her presidency also provides a unique opportunity for the ELCA. It will "visibly demonstrate (this church's) commitment to the ecumenical vision, as well as its commitment to lifelong ecumenical formation, leadership development and women's leadership," she said. [GJ- WELS has been doing that for decades, working with Babtists, Pantingcostals, Mefodists, New Agers, ELCA, and - big secret - Missouri.]


Lohre joined the ELCA churchwide staff in October as part of the ecumenical and inter-religious relations team under the leadership of the Rev. Donald McCoid, assistant to the presiding bishop, ELCA Ecumenical and Inter-Religious Relations.


The installation was a service of word and sacrament. McCoid was the presiding minister and ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson preached the sermon.


 Reflecting on the Book of Amos, Hanson told the assembly, "God's promise, justice and righteous will flow like refreshing waters of the highest mountain, it will flow abundantly upon you and through you and me, flowing into the life of the world just as the light of Jesus will now flow into your life through bread and wine."


The Rev. Dr. Michael Kinnamon, general secretary for the National Council of Churches, presided over the installation, which included the installation of other council officers for the organization. Ecumenical guests also participated in the service.


 In addition to her positions with the ELCA and the National Council of Churches, Lohre represents the ELCA as a member of the Central Committee of the World Council of Churches.


Before joining the ELCA churchwide staff, Lohre was assistant director of the Pluralism Project at Harvard University, a research project on the changing religious landscape in the United States.


Lohre was a member of the ELCA Bishop's Communal Discernment Task Force and on the Bishop's Global, Ecumenical and Interfaith Relationships Roundtable. She served on the former ELCA Commission for Women Steering Committee and as an assistant to the 2000 ELCA Youth Gathering.


 Lohre is a summa cum laude graduate of St. Olaf College in Northfield, Minn., and earned a Master of Divinity degree at Harvard Divinity School. St. Olaf is one of 26 ELCA colleges and universities.


 In May 2011, the Graduate Theological Foundation in Mishawaka, Ind., conferred an honorary Doctor of Divinity to Lohre, "in recognition of her election as president-elect of the National Council of Churches and also in recognition of her contributions to women's interfaith issues and pluralism."

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Kathryn M. Lohre 



Kathryn M. Lohre, assistant director of the Pluralism Project at Harvard University and an Evangelical Lutheran Church in America representative to the World Council of Churches Central Committee, began her term as the President Elect of the National Council of Churches on January 1, 2010.

She was installed in her office on November 12, 2009, in St. Mark's Cathedral in Minneapolis. The Rev. Peg Chemberlin, current NCC President Elect, was installed as NCC President.

Chemberlin and Lohre will serve in their new offices until December 31, 2011. Constitutionally, the NCC President Elect succeeds to the Presidency.
Lohre, 32, will be 34 when it is time to succeed to the National Council of Churches Presidency in 2012. She will be the second youngest president of the Council since the Rev. Dr. M. William Howard, an American Baptist, became president in 1979 at the age of 33.

Kathryn Lohre has been assistant director of the Pluralism Project at Harvard since 2005, serving with project director Dr. Diana Eck, a member of the NCC Governing Board and chair of the NCC's Interfaith Relations Commission. Lohre has been a member of the Pluralism Project's staff since 2000.

As assistant director, Lohre supervises graduate and undergraduate student research on religious pluralism, provides leadership to the women's initiative and multi-religious women's network, convenes and plans events including colloquia, conferences, panels and public conversations, teaches workshops, prepares grant proposals and oversees fundraising.

Lohre is a summa cum laude graduate of St. Olaf College, Northfield, Minn., and earned the Master of Divinity degree at Harvard Divinity School.

She is a member of Faith Lutheran Church in Cambridge, Mass., and serves on the Bishop's Communal Discernment Task Force in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. She is a member of the World Council of Churches U.S. Conference Board of Directors and has served on the National Council of Churches Ecumenical Young Adult Women’s Working Group.

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GJ

She wants to transform the world too, just like Ski and Glende.

And I myself, in Rome, heard it said openly in the streets, “If there is a hell, then Rome is built on it.” That is, “After the devil himself, there is no worse folk than the pope and his followers.” Against the Roman Papacy, An Institution of the Devil ( Wider das Papstum zu Rom vom Teuffel Gestifft, A. D. 1545)[8] (Wiki link, Martin_Luther)

Pancake Pope, protecting the faithful against
Shrove Tuesday pancakes.
But incest is an adiaphoron.


And I myself, in Rome, heard it said openly in the streets, “If there is a hell, then Rome is built on it.” That is, “After the devil himself, there is no worse folk than the pope and his followers.” Against the Roman Papacy, An Institution of the Devil ( Wider das Papstum zu Rom vom Teuffel Gestifft, A. D. 1545)[8] (Wiki link, Martin_Luther):

"But Bernhard Müller, editor of the Catholic magazine PUR, dismissed the clerics' reaction as grossly hypocritical. He alleged that the pornography scandal at Weltbild had been going on for at least a decade with the Church's full knowledge. Mr Müller said that in 2008, a group of concerned Catholics had sent bishops a 70-page document containing irrefutable evidence that Weltbild published books that promoted pornography, Satanism and magic. They demanded that the publisher withdraw the titles.

A once-in-a-lifetime Remembrance Day: 11-11-11-11 « Churchmouse Campanologist

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Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden - College Football - NESN.com

Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden - College Football - NESN.com:


In April, Pittsburgh radio host Mark Madden wrote a story revealing Penn State for much of the cover-up ofJerry Sandusky's alleged child rape that has been exposed in the past week. While it didn't raise many eyebrows back then, six months later it looks to be incredibly accurate.
On Thursday morning, just hours after legendary head coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier were fired by the school's board of trustees, Madden was asked on The Dennis and Callahan Show what he believes the next piece of news will be.
What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.
"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis andGerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."
After the news spread, Madden later explained via Twitter why he went public with the rumors.





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Please Consult Your Synodical Lawyers, Tim Glende:
Too Bad You Excommunicated Your Own Attorney



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It's interesting to us how Dr. Gregory L. Jackson, PhD, claims that Real Ichabod is guilty of "criminal impersonation" and that the supposed fake post by Brett Meyer is now a "legal matter." Who's calling the kettle black? There are innumerable people who could take Dr. Jackson to court and sue him for slander and libel if they so chose; and they would probably win any court case hands down. There are enough people Dr. Jackson has slandered and libeled that they could probably file a class-action suit against this fake pastor. Dr. Jackson's site is filled with lies and untruthful innuendo. Jackson calls it satire. What it is is sin, a breaking of the Eighth Commandment. Wake up, followers of Dr. Jackson!

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GJ - Tim Glende, you woke up your whole district. Pastors and laity  investigated you on their own. They found you guilty of plagiarism, lying about plagiarism, etc. The only reason you are still working is that your District President is in the pocket of the Church and Changers.

Brett Meyer does not write this blog,. Blowing smoke with unwarranted accusations against me will not absolve you of your crimes.

You keep having tantrums whenever someone threatens your false doctrine lupine behavior. Were you potty-trained at gunpoint? What is your excuse? I hope you get help before you draw more into your crimes.

The Rotten Apples of Appleton Continue Their Criminal Impersonation.
Tim Glende Refuses Brett Meyer's Request To Remove Fake Post

Tim Glende's shirt reminds everyone of his reputation in school,
which continues in the parish.
That is not his wife in this Facebook photo, which he featured.






 Brett Meyer said...
I am requesting your consideration. Please remove the comment that someone left in my name. I assure you that I didn't write the comment. I stand by everything that I've written and posted on the internet and have linked to most of it at one time or another so anyone interested can see the context in which it was written and consider my opinions and confession. Since you disagree with my opinions and confession written elsewhere there's no need to maintain a false impersonation of my statements. Just let my confession speak for itself.

Thank you,
Brett Meyer
November 9, 2011 8:22 PM
Blogger Real Ichabod said...
We won't be removing your comment, Brett, or whoever you are. How do we know you're the real Brett Meyer? Maybe the fake Brett wants us to remove the comment. No, it will stay, since the original comment is consistent with what you have written previously.

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The reasoning behind the rejection of my request is revealing. Anyone can see that the slanderous comment was signed anonymousely. My request for its removal was signed with my Blogger profile name which has one of my email addresses attached. My comment here and throughout this Ichabod site uses the Blogger profile. The inability to see that or the unwillingness to allow my request is simply juvenile.

If only I had used "do-words" they would have graciously complied. I couldn't stop laughing after I heard that one!

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GJ - The double-talk from Tim Glende is revealing. He answers Brett Meyer's signed request (with his profile and email) and says, "How do we know you're the real Brett Meyer?"

Tim Glende's criminal impersonation of Brett Meyer is now a legal matter. He may think his blog is anonymous, but Blogger knows better. Google Blogger is on the hook for criminal impersonation, so they are not going to tolerate the Appleton Gang's tricks.

The <s>Northern</s> Anything Goes District is known for treating its own members this way.


Wednesday, November 9, 2011

Multiculturalism explained — questions answered « Churchmouse Campanologist

Multiculturalism explained — questions answered « Churchmouse Campanologist:

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GJ - Selective diversity is already embedded in higher education.

Ichabod, The Glory Has Departed: WELS GA Personality.
This Explains the Cover-Up the Felonies Attitude



Ichabod, The Glory Has Departed: WELS GA Personality:


I went through the whole system. Prep was definitely the worst. The "running" by seniors lasted the whole year and some (not all, not by a long shot) was very cruel and humiliating). There are some pastors and teachers who are two and three years than I am to whom I still can't talk because those memories won't go away. I vowed that I would not run freshmen the way I was run (ran?). The seniors said, "We all said that when we were Freshmen. Look at us now." For the most part, though, I kept that promise. The only exception was when I allowed myself to get into a group mentality when I was with a few of my classmates who did like running freshmen. NWC, on the other hand, had the tradition of initiating the freshmen during Homecoming week. Most who were involved with that did it all very tongue and cheek and it didn't carry over throughout the rest of the year. GA at Sem was rumored to be the worst of the bunch. I found that it was actually more of a spoof of initiation than an actual initiation ritual proper. It was sort of, "I got fooled by this when I was a Junior. Now it's your turn." So, there it is. The whole experience wasn't as innocent as some claim (high school was bad), nor as bad as others claim (college and Seminary was almost comical).
P.S. I take it you still haven't figured out the literary reference in my pen name.



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Sexta is the ordinal form of Six in Latin:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sexta

When the college and seminary course was six years long (vicarage year was added during the Depression) and another year was added at some point, the classes were named in countdown mode: six, five, four, three, etc. Only in Prep did the classes retain those names, and at Martin Luther Prep in Watertown, they still do. Last time I was there was 2008 or so.

So the Sextas (freshmen) are just out of grade school and away from home, and besides doing their Latin and other homework, they have to clean a room and make the beds of juniors (quartas) and seniors (tertias), endure their harassment and threats, and receive pink bellies and grundies and be at the bottom of monkey piles. The sextas must also act as waitresses in the cafeteria for entire tables getting them juices and water and such for the entire school year, and some of them got hit for being a waitress for entire table of tertias or quartas three or four times a week, or more, as their food got cold. The quintas (sophomores) had no "powers."

I don't know if the "running" or "hazing" and physical abuse still goes on, but I have heard that still in 2005 or so seniors and juniors would put freshmen and sophomores in headlocks and otherwise illegally restrain freshmen, putting them in mental and physical duress.

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GJ - Prep is where the brain-washing and sadism begins. The behavior is often sub-human and encouraged by the graduates of that same system of hazing. Anyone who tells parents is tortured even more, so naturally everyone denies anything has happened.

Mutual blackmail threats also help.

A WELS teacher can murder his wife, lie about it, and get a busload of students plus the college president to back him up at his murder trial (guilty!). But question the infallibility of WELS and the ice curtain comes down faster than rotorless helicopter.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Ichabod, The Glory Has Departed: WELS GA Personali...":

This is an important point, I think. The pastors I've met who are the most die-hard WELS members, not countenancing much criticism of the WELS, if any, are the very people who didn't go through Northwestern Prep, and thus missed an entire unpleasant year in Sexta, and they also profess to not remembering the Bone Cruncher at the Mequon seminary, or much about GA. However, one pastor who fits the above criterion does, however, remember that Northwestern College initiation was quite unpleasant, especially for being forced to lick a toilet plunger. I don't know if it is Stockholm Syndrome, or what.

The reason I bring this up is I reread an old post you linked to today or yesterday, and find that one of your ardent critics, Michael Schottey, professes to not remembering GA. Maybe if Schottey did remember GA, he wouldn't be such an ardent critic of Ichabod. Also, he'd be like many of us and would be leery of ever recommending someone attend a WELS prep school, and if they were going to go anyway, making sure to warn the person what might be in store for him or her.

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http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2009/10/wels-ga-personality.html

Michael Schottey has left a new comment on your post "WELS GA Personality":

After eight years in the prep/MLC system I don't remember GA. Perhaps I was brainwashed and can't remember it.

And perhaps all of my family and friends who have gone through the Seminary are just really good at lying to me.
 
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GJ - Anyone who criticizes GA is run into the ground. Schottey did not go to seminary, so he had no GA to remember.

During hazing (not GA hazing) one student was knocked unconscious. He remembered.

WorshipOutlet Receives $50,000 Thrivent Grant for Marketing Projects

WorshipOutlet Receives $50,000 Grant for Marketing Projects:

“We are Lutherans developing new and fresh expressions of worship for not only Lutherans but cross denominationally. Our goal is to connect the future to the past through fresh expressions of worship.

“Presently churches from five different denominations use our resources (Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopalian and Evangelical Non-Denominational). Our resources are the only compressive type available to churches online that we are aware of presently. We offer a complete package for a worship experience that is downloadable and customizable. These resources are easily usable for churches that are liturgical and for churches that are non-liturgical. Since we offer both traditional musical options and contemporary options all types of churches find them extremely helpful. One church in urban Detroit attributes the use of WorshipOutlet’s resources to one of the main reasons they are growing in an urban setting while the churches around them are closing.

'via Blog this'

Questions on Sandusky Wrapped in 2005 Gricar Mystery - NYTimes.com

Questions on Sandusky Wrapped in 2005 Gricar Mystery - NYTimes.com:

One of the questions surrounding the sex-abuse case against Jerry Sandusky is why a former district attorney chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy.

Mothers of two of Jerry Sandusky's alleged victims lash out at Penn State officials' handling of scandal | PennLive.com

Mothers of two of Jerry Sandusky's alleged victims lash out at Penn State officials' handling of scandal | PennLive.com:

Ten years before he came forward, another child, now 24, had also spoken up. He wasn’t believed. Allegations he made against Sandusky about touching during a shared shower at Penn State in 1998 never resulted in charges.

'via Blog this'

Thoughts on the Penn State Debacle - From Bruce Church.
"Party in the MLC" - Still on YouTube and FB.

Jerry Sandusky, left, had an office in the athletic complex until last week.
Joe Paterno knew about the scandal in 1998.
Sandusky ran his camp for boys until 2010, at another Penn State campus, the Erie one.
The mothers of the victims were called liars by the university officials.

Sandusky's pedophia in the locker room was known 13 years ago.
How do the victims feel now?

bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "The Denomination as a Football Franchise":

Joe Paterno says he'll retire at the end of the season, his 62nd at Penn State. Athletic directors at Pann State tried to get him to retire back in 2004 and he refused. To me, the fact that he'd only consider retiring at the end of the season shows how he doesn't take his inaction seriously enough, though he could be prosecuted along with his bosses for not going to the police. It's this same lack of seriousness that led him to decide not to report the sexual molestation of a minor to police in the first place. If I were the prosecutor, I'd try to make Paterno wear prison stripes for a few years.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "The Denomination as a Football Franchise":

Here's an example of whistle blower retaliation from today's news, something that denominations engage in aplenty:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/9/grassley-ex-us-attorney-admits-leaking-fast-and-fu

Former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke in Arizona, who resigned in the wake of a congressional probe into the Fast and Furious undercover investigation his office oversaw, has admitted leaking a sensitive document about a federal agent who blew the whistle on the gunrunning operation, according to Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "The Denomination as a Football Franchise":

Artist who painted large mural of the Penn State notables, including from the legendary football team, paints over Sandusky's face at request of mother of one of his victims:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/state_college_mural_artist_to.html

Video:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45227641#45227641

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Defended by UOJ stalwarts Herman Otten and SP Mark Schroeder:

Party in the MLC - and also by this guy,

A frame-by-frame copy of Party in the Fire Island Pines, except for MLC's self-grope scene.





Excuse #1 - The MLC students did not know what they were doing.
Excuse #2 from SP Schroeder - The MLC students were deliberately mocking homosexual behavior.
The second excuse was endorsed by Herman Otten in Christian News, Page 1.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Thoughts on the Penn State Debacle - From Bruce Ch...":

If the MLC performers of the "Fire Island Pines" homoerotic video were ever disciplined, would WELS students rioted? They sure were indignant against Ichabod for reporting the facts. Here's why I ask:

Penn State students riot at firing of coach Joe Paterno and president over enabling the sexual abuse of many (dozens?) of minors:

As if Penn State alumni and donors didn’t have enough reason to hang their heads in shame tonight…:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/10/pinheads-at-penn-state


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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "And I myself, in Rome, heard it said openly in the...":

Speaking of promoting pornography...The (W)ELS still defends the homoerotic Martin Luther College video, Party in the MLC, which was not a parody of Ms. Cyrus' song video but of the video created and published by the homosexuals who attend Fire Island Pines. This video didn't mock the homoerotic behavior of the FIP video but enhanced it. If anything, the video simply added to the homosexual desensitization of thousands of boys and girls.

por·nog·ra·phy   /pɔrˈnɒgrəfi/ Spelled[pawr-nog-ruh-fee] IPAnoun - obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, especially those having little or no artistic merit.

By this definition (W)ELS also promotes and publishes pornography and actively defends it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kSdADOIG3Y
To show that this wasn't received as a mocking sodomy here are comments from the homosexuals regarding the (W)ELS MLC Party in the MLC video:

No. 11 · hephaestion
I don’t see the straight college kids as making fun of the gay video. I thought their video was very cute, and I think they just used the Fire Island video as an excuse to liberate themselves to act silly just as the Fire Island guys were being silly in their video. If the college boys had meant for their video to be anti-gay they would have made it anti-gay with really hideous flaming and an ugly tone to the video. What I see is a fun tone… more like “We like being silly, too.” Not “We hate you and want to dehumanize you.” I really don’t think these are anti-gay kids at ALL. Maybe someone should ask them. Posted: Oct 20, 2009 at 11:25 am · @Reply ·

No. 13 · hardmannyc · Member · 1071 comments
Yeah, they’re making fun of the Pines boys, but affectionately. And I think some of them are cute! Posted: Oct 20, 2009 at 6:32 pm · @Reply ·

No. 14 · Guest
Martin Luther College…not Midland. And these boys are certainly just having fun, no “anti-gay” sentiments here. It was a skit for homecoming. Just a bunch of kids trying to remake a YouTube classic who never thought it would get that many views. Posted: Oct 23, 2009 at 10:39 am · @Reply ·

No. 15 · Alex Taylor
Instead of worring (sic) about this video expressing “anti-gay” sentiments (which I personally don’t think it does), lets have some fun with this and get a friendly debate going…which guy is your favorite? cutest? ugliest? are they straight but still adorable? anyone want to give a critique? Posted: Oct 23, 2009 at 5:34 pm 

Sources Needed, Valued

Teach false doctrine, ordain women - you will drive a fancy boat.
Stick to the Confessions - you will get a free ride out of town, on a rail.
There is an extra charge for the tar and feathers.
A Macedonian cry from the wilderness of a Pietistic sect:

 By the way, you don’t have access, do you, to the primary sources with the Huber information? The Latin documents from the Wittenberg theologians, I mean? I suppose they’re buried in a library in Sweden somewhere. It would be nice to dig deeper.

Post a comment if you have a good link for these materials.

Suggested readings from NPH -

  1.  The History of Pietism 
  2. Timotheus Verinus.


I imagine there are great finds there. Acey 5 already found some from The History of Pietism. The topic is huge and nebulous.

Otto Heick, my professor, is out of print. I think his two, concise volumes are quite useful for anyone looking up figures, historical context, etc.

Google Books is a great source for out of print books that can be turned into text. Current books are often protected and less useful anyway. Do a Google search and look for the place (marked, very convenient) in the book. You now have the Harvard Library on your computer. Didja know it was built with money from a very wealthy lady who saw her bibliophile drown during the Titanic voyage? Now you do.

Other sects teach objective justification and use the same words. That can be found easily by searching on "objective justification."

Important also are the Olde Synodical Conference leaders who did NOT teach UOJ. One person found Gausewitz.

During the next slowdown I expect to put together some public Dropbox links. You do not need the free software to use public links. But you can do a lot with others if you have Dropbox software and they do too. Private Dropbox sharing is secure, fast, easy. And FREE.


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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Anonymous Coward Still an Anonymous Coward, Talkin...":

Theophilus Grossgebauer signals a return of Huberism in the mid 1600s.

Grossgebauer was a Lutheran pastor in Rostock, who in a critique of the state of the church in his day, says Private Confession is unnecessary because those who come to Private Confession....:

"If he is is repentant, then he already has forgiveness of his sins from God, and the Holy Spirit has given forgiveness to him through the Word of God. If he is unrepentant, then the absolution of the priest is of no help to him.” – Wachterstimme aus dem verwusteten Zion (1661)

Perhaps he learned it from his senior and superintendent in Rostock, Heinrich Muller (1631-1675), who said:

“Modern Christianity has four mute ecclesiastical idols which they follow: the baptismal font, the pulpit, the confessional, and the altar. They take comfort in their external Christianity, that they are baptized, hear God’s Word, go to confession, and receive the Lord’s Supper, but they deny the inner power of Christianity.” – The History of Pietism, Heinrich Schmid p. 6

These quotes are found in "The History of Pietism" by Heinrich Schmid pp.6-12.

The Denomination as a Football Franchise

The First VP of WELS attended Fuller Seminary
and has been echoing their false doctrine ever since.
WELS admires and plagiarizes the false prophets
portrayed as a cloud of witnesses...
to their Father Below.

The Penn State debacle is unraveling fast. Their defensive coach, Jerry Sandusky, used his football connections and his own charity to prey upon young boys. The scandal began in 1998.

Quote from the LA Times: "If they would have done something about it in 1998, and then again in 2002 -- there was two chances, they dropped the ball and I think they should all be held accountable," said the mother of a boy referred to as Victim Six in a grand jury report released Saturday.

A mother said: She added: "I’m infuriated that people would not report something like that .... I still can’t believe it. I’m appalled. I’m shocked. I’m stunned .... They could have prevented this from happening."

The mother said university officials "tried to make my son and the other boy out to be liars."

Denomination officials use the same tactics as the Penn State University executives.
  • Never address the real issue, especially when it involves criminal activity.
  • Make up an excuse that changes the crime into a misunderstanding.
  • Call the victims liars, insane, greedy for money.
  • Fire anyone who dares to address the issue.
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The Penn State Alma Mater
by Fred Lewis Pattee
For the glory of old State,
For her founders strong and great,
For the future that we wait,
Raise the song, raise the song.

Sing our love and loyalty,
Sing our hopes that, bright and free,
Rest, O Mother dear, with thee,
All with thee, all with thee.

(Softly)

When we stood at childhood's gate,
Shapeless in the hands of fate,
Thou didst mold us, dear old State,
Dear old State, dear old State.

(Louder)

May no act of ours bring shame
To one heart that loves thy name,
May our lives but swell thy fame,
Dear old State, dear old State.


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Links:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/932252-jerry-sandusky-scandal-ncaa-needs-to-make-example-of-penn-state-with-sanctions http://bleacherreport.com/articles/932164-jerry-sandusky-scandal-what-penn-state-must-do-to-atone-for-sins

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "The Denomination as a Football Franchise":

The spontaneous student pep rally for Penn State's Joe Paterno outside his home, who ought to be doing a perp walk to jail right now, reminds me of the MLC students who took a bus to Arizona to support Al Just during the court hearings over his murdering his wife. It also reminds me of the automatic, unthinking MLC and WLC student support for the makers of a homoerotic video being shown at a pep rally, or whatever it was, at MLC. Then SP Schroeder even lied to Otten in defense of the students. That's like sinking the Titanic (WELS) in order to save a row boat (the morals-challenged students). When will the interests of the WELS and the Kingdom outweigh the interests of nepotism in the WELS? Probably never:

http://www.freep.com/article/20111109/SPORTS08/111109020/Penn-State-students-cheer-Paterno

Police estimated there were about 300 people outside Paterno's home. Officers asked students to leave after Paterno addressed the crowd a second time.

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GJ - College students are not very discerning. They will support someone who appears to be the underdog at the moment. Would they share office space with a known child rapist? Paterno did until last week.

When someone thinks his job is threatened, excuses abound.

Anonymous Coward Still an Anonymous Coward,
Talking Down to Joe Krohn.
Plus QW Is a Huberist


Quiet WELsian said...
"I didn't misinterpret WELS position on UOJ. I refuted it. Nowhere does it say in the Bible that before we do anything we are forgiven. Which includes being born (as Holy Word and WELS teaches officially) or hearing the Word of God."

Joe- The WELS or any other orthodox Lutheran organizations that accepts UOJ doesn't teach that God communicates forgiveness to people before they believe. This where you're getting everything messed up. It's probably moot to go through this again, considering you've made yourself invincibly ignorant on the subject. But here we go....

There's a difference between saying that God says a thing and that thing it is received. [GJ - The previous sentence makes no sense at all.] If Jesus tells the Church to go out and proclaim the gospel to every living creature, it presupposes that God has pronounced his universal word of grace. If he didn't pronounced  (sic) the word of absolution over the whole world, then why would the Church proclaim the gospel universally ("I absolve you in the name of Jesus") in it's (sic) public preaching? This word is received by faith. So, saying that God has pronounced his word of justification over the whole world is qualified by the fact that 1.) it is mediated through word and sacrament. 2.) that that forgiveness is only communicated to believers through faith. 3.) It hardens and condemns those who reject it.

This is all really simple. I chalk up your rejection of all this to two factors:

1.) Human being (sic) like simple explanatory models. You think things stink in the WELS. The church-growth clap-trap sucks. A lot the pastors and DPs don't do their jobs, etc. Ok. So Jackson comes to you and gives you a simple explanatory model "It's all the fault of UOJ!!" And you think "wow, that's it." Basically I would suggest this is the basis of most of Jackson's appeal. He plays on legitimate concerns, while giving a simple explanatory model. Why things suck in the WELS is more complex and actually probably is more of a function of sinful human nature being sinful human nature. It has very little to do with any make-believe problems with the doctrine of justification.

2.) You're assuming that the word "justification" is being used in the same way in different contexts. So, you assume that justification means to communicate forgiveness and salvation when used in relationship to universal justification. That would be universalism. Do you seriously know anyone in the WELS who literally believes everyone is going to heaven? Come on. This is not the case. Rather, it simply means a not guilty verdict pronounced by God. When we talk about subjective justification though the term is being used with regard to the communication of forgiveness. Theological terms are elastic in many ways and must be understood contextually.
[GJ - Through the Looking Glass - "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less." 
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." 
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - - that's all."]

"You should really take your masks off. You make WELS look even more cultish even though I try to give you the benefit of the doubt."

I'll take off my mask, when all of the other Jackson cultists do.

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GJ - The fake blog is anonymous, and every single writer (perhaps the only one) is anonymous. But this one attaches conditions to revealing his name while attacking Joe Krohn by name.

Mary Lou College and The Sausage Factory tell students not to read Ichabod. If a WELS member posts anything, the WELSian authorities quickly react against that person, to silence him. But they never show the same amount of spine about the gay video, Emergent Church, plagiarizing Groeschel and many cancer nodes.

The anonymous coward is obviously seething with hatred that one of their own Church and Changers has seen the light. I do not think that talking down to Joe is a good way to draw him back into the fold.

Clearly the Shrinkers are boiling over with rage that their UOJ has been assaulted from many quarters. I hasten to remind readers that the key insights (Knapp and Huber) came from WELS laymen, not from me.

The anonymous coward is full of sorrow because the Word of God is efficacious. He should address his rage to the Holy Spirit. All I can do is point people to the sources and clarify some historical issues.

Paul Wendland is right.
We need the New NIV.


Here Is a Good, Fair Review by David Scaer of the Stephan Book



http://www.ctsfw.net/media/pdfs/stephantheologicalobserver.pdf

Volume 724 October 2008

Theological Observer - Martin Stephan:The Other Side of the Story or At Least Part of It

For over a half a century, Walter 0.Foerster's Zion on the Mississippi (CPH, 1953) introduced seminary students to the circumstances of the 1839 Lutheran Saxon immigration which led in 1847 to the founding of The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS), whose chief architect was C. F. W. Walther. The formidable leader in the emigration was the now less-known Martin Stephan, pastor of St. John's in Dresden, who gathered confessional-minded Lutherans for the voyage to America. Chosen as bishop on January 14,1839, as the four ships waited to dislodge their Lutheran passengers in New Orleans on January 29, his episcopacy was short lived. His relations with Louise Guenther, which came to light in her confession on May 5 to Pastor G. H. Loeber, led to his expulsion from the Peny County colony on May 30 and his being escorted across the Mississippi to Illinois, where he died on January 26, 1846. Like the English Pilgrims two hundred years before, these Lutherans had found it increasingly more difficult to practice their faith in a land whose king was Roman Catholic and whose Lutheran pastors were enamored with the Lutheran-Reformed dktente in neighboring Prussia. Though two centuries separate the two migrations, their stories are strikingly similar: flight from oppressive government intrusion, chartering a ship, making a compact (charter) with regulations before landing, the prominence of clerical leadership, and the eventual disbanding of the colony.

During my seminary days (1955-1960), I came to know Phil Stephan, who spoke of his forefather, the ill-fated Bishop Martin Stephan. When I saw that the author of In Pursuit of Religious Freedom: Bihup Martin Stephnn's Journey ([Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2GU8], 327 pages, hardcover) was a certain Philip G. Stephan, I had to assume this was my classmate. Here he tells the other side of the story, which he and other family members have long desired to tell Fascinatingly fold, the book is well documented. Its thirty-three chapters are clustered under eight parts, followed by six appendices containing community regulations, Stephan's investiture as bishop, and 0.H. Walther's hymns written for the sea voyage from Bremen across the Atlantic. Parts one through four tell of the origins of the Saxon Emigration Society and those of Martin Stephan's family in Bohemia, his ministry at St. John's in Dresden, his legal problems over his religious and personal activities, his wife and family, and his departure for America. Part five tells of the group's internal problems, which were exacerbated by a hostile press in St. Louis. Stephan's deposition as bishop is told in part six. Part seven relates his last years in Illinois (1839-1846), his vindication in the courts, and his four-month pastorate in Red Bud, Illinois. In part eight, the author reflects on his forefather's place in history.

A certain bias can be expected in a book written by a descendant of its subject, but in this case it is a useful antidote in coming to terms with a man who, in spite of his infractions, tilled the ground from which the LCMS sprang. Even those who became his critics admired his preaching and his counseling skills, which drew admrers from all over Germany. He and his wife Julia, a woman of high social rank, had twelve children, four of whom died. Three daughters were born deaf and were later institutionalized [GJ - symptoms of congenital syphilis]. Family problems were exacerbated by legal charges, among which was organizing a sect. These proved to be unfounded. Before Stephan left Germany he was placed under house arrest for one year and could not minister to his congregation. He suffered from eczema [GJ - more likely syphilis], especially on his feet, a disease often caused by anxiety, and sought relief at the baths in Radeberg, a village twenty miles away from Dresden. There he gathered a group of followers, Louise Guenther among them. In her twenties and about thirty years younger than Stephan, she emigrated with him, was in charge of acquisitions for the society, and served as his housekeeper in his last years. This relationship has arguably prevented putting his detractors under the same scrutiny they applied to him and allowed others to attribute to him views he did not hold. For example, Stephan was not a chiliast, as Paul Burgdorf claimed (54).

The most intriguing, and perhaps tragic, part of Stephan's life is told in part six, "Deposing a Bishop." Shortly after arriving in this country, Stephan encountered bad press in St. Louis about his handling of the Emigration Society's property. When Pastor Georg Loeber shared Louise Guenthef's confession with Pastors Keyl, Buerger, and C. F. W. Walther, they were embarrassed by their published defense of their bishop (May 4, 1839), which they retracted on May 27. Assisting them in their intent to remove Stephan were the attorneys Vehse and Marbach (182). Louise Guenther was unaware that her private confession had become the reason for deposing Stephan as bishop. Though all this had become public knowledge, only on May 28 was Stephan confronted by a deposition signed by the pastors demanding his resignation. These pastors served as his accusers and his judges in requiring him to leave the community. At first Stephan refused what he considered an illegally constituted tribunal, but, in seeing a mob armed with whips outside his cabin, he acquiesced and was deprived of his possessions. He was bodily searched and was given only a shovel and pick to make a living and clothing which did not ward off the cold of winter (190, 237-238). His being forcibly taken to Illinois could legitimately be seen as kidnapping (247). Stephan's last years (1839-1846)were lived in pathetic misery. Once he returned to the colony for medicine, food, and clothing, but was refused. Loeber went to Kaskaskia to give him communion under the condition that he sign a confession. He refused (229). Four months before his death he became the pastor of Trinity Lutheran Church in Red Bud, Illinois, where he lies buried.

In the minds of his accusers and in common synod folklore, Stephan deserved all the misfortune he experienced, but this hardly exonerates those who administered it. First, a confession made privately to a pastor is privileged information. It is one thing to ask the advice of other clergy and another thing to make it public, as Loeber and others did. On July 7, the same pastor told the congregation that two or three other women had come forward with the same claims. One of them wrote a letter withdrawing her allegations. Though current LCMS guidelines disallow making confessions public, the disposal of Stephan might be a warning for some to withhold potentially disastrous sins from their pastor (200-201). What was then considered a sacrament is looked on with suspicion now. Another unresolved issue is the society's forcing Stephan to surrender his personal belongings and property. Stephan's son, also Martin (V), returned to Germany where he studied architecture. After his mother's death, he returned to St. Louis and graduated from the seminary (1853).Walther's attitude to him as a student, and then as a pastor, was hardly positive. On one occasion the younger Mamn was publicly called a "Judas." The book recounts how the seminary president persuaded him to relinquish all claims to the family property (269). This harassment continued into his ministry. He used his architectural skills acquired in Germany to design buildings for the seminary and several churches. The amazing legacy of the Stephan family is that, in spite of both proven and unproven allegations against their forefather, four generations served as pastors in the synod.

While the synod's crucial events 170 years ago may seem remote, those who choose to ignore them, as they are presented from another perspective, are depriving of themselves of coming face to face with an account of how we came to be as a synod. Things may not be as golden as we thought. The Lutheran Saxon experiment in Missouri was, in a way, an attempt to set up the kingdom of God on earth (hence the title Zion on the Mississippi).Quakers were doing the same thing in New Harmony, Indiana, as were the Mormons, first in Nauvoo, Illinois, and eventually in Salt Lake City. This is the dilemma of any church which sees itself as the true, visible church on earth. It may be that there is a little bit of chiliasm in our history, but then reality sets in. These Lutheran immigrants exchanged one set of problems in Germany for another set in America. Some of the problems faced in Germany in the first half of the nineteenth century reared their heads in the latter half of the twentieth century in America and, ironically, in St. Louis where the forefathers had come to find r&fuge from them. If there is a parable here, it is that we can never run away from problems without exchanging them for others, or maybe the same ones.

Should In Pursuif of Religious Freedom have a rightly deserved second printing, a few changes might be in order. In reference to a church government supervised by a bishop, "episcopal" should be substituted for "Episcopal" (e.g., 267, which refers to a denomination. German verbs appearing in an English language manuscript should be lower case (enoeckt), not upper case (29). Nouns are reversed: not beichfvater but Beichbater (65), preferably in italics. Followers of Pietism at the University of Leipzig are calied "Disciples of Christ" (67) but should be "disciples of Christ." The third ship carrying the Saxon immigrants amved on January 12, 1839, not 1838 (129). Since its passengers lefi on November 12, 1838, they would have anived in New Orleans before they left Bremen. Loeber's Rogate Sermon, which stirred the conscience of Louise Guenther, was preached on May 5, 1839, not March 5 (179). "Sacrament of holy absolution" should be either all lower or upper caw, not both (266). "Emigration Society," yes, but the author does not address why they used the title "Society" (e.g., 8-9).

Its author has not yet responded to my letter sent in care of his publisher to confirm that we were once seminary classmates. If the heroic element of Bishop Stephan's story is that his family continued to give pastors to the LCMS for over a century after he was deposed, the tragic element is that the one descendant who wrote a book to show the other side of the story is no longer a pastor of the synod of which his great-great-grandfather was really the patriarch. Other classmates took the same path. That is a tragedy, too. Some have left the church. This is still even a worse tragedy, all of which is the subject for some other historian to recount. [GJ - The Stephan family was quite gracious, staying with the sect that robbed them of a fortune and elevated Walther to divine, infallible status.] David P. Scaer