Friday, May 11, 2012

Brett Meyer Offers If Then Quotations - Rationalism in Favor of UOJ




Here are some “If – then” quotes supporting UOJ

Deutschlander:
The point of this passage is essentially the same as the point of the previous passage. Once again, notice the all-embracing, already accomplished character of the passage: the world is reconciled! Not, the world can be reconciled, or has reconciliation available to it. That reconciliation is entrusted to us in the Word. But it would be folly to speak of the reconciliation as entrusted to us, if, in point of fact, the reconciliation had not yet occurred; if prior to committing the word of reconciliation there is no reconciliation, then the word entrusted to our proclamation is a lie. And far be it from us to rend the sacred mantel cast over us in the Word, to make His Word and His Act of reconciliation of no effect until we have done something or until we have believed something.
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if the penalty has already been paid in the sacrifice of Christ, then for God not to forgive sin would be unjust; He would be demanding a second payment for the same offence.
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Buchholz:
9 This very important truth—that faith is appropriative and not causative—can be illustrated thus: A sports fan may say, “I believe that my team will win the World Series this year.” Such faith does not bring about the desired outcome. The person’s belief doesn’t cause anything to happen. In this case, the “faith” expressed is merely a hope or a wish that something will happen. Likewise, if a team wins, and a jaded, cynical fan refuses to believe it, that fan’s erroneous belief doesn’t change the reality of what happened.
Faith is simply trust. Faith must have an object, something that it holds onto. That object may or may not be real or true, but faith doesn’t make it real or true. Faith that holds onto something untrue is misplaced—no matter how sincere it may be. Christian faith appropriates and holds onto the reality of God’s justification completed in Christ. It does not cause justification or forgiveness to take place. It simply grasps God’s justification that is already a reality.
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Kurt Marquart


Marquart:
If God’s eternal foreknowledge does not forbid these millions of judicial acts, why should it forbid the one great world-embracing judicial act in the Cross and Resurrection, which is the real and objective basis for all the millions of individual “applicatory” judicial acts? Justification is by definition a judicial act.
(in the section – 5. Indefensible theses of Mr. Larry Darby)




Becker:
If all are condemned because of the sin of one man (18a), and all are justified because of the right action of one man (18b), and if all are set down as sinners through one man’s disobedience (19a), then we can certainly expect that all men will be set down as righteous through one man’s obedience (19b). If the action (described in 19b is something that takes place when a man comes to faith, then these words are not true because all do not come to faith, and while many, polloi/, are called, few, o0li/goi, are chosen. To say that “all” here means “all who come to faith” is to commit the same sin that is committed by Calvinists when they say that the “all” for whom Christ died are “all who are elect.” The “all” of 18b are the “all” of 18a and of verse 12.
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By the resurrection the sins for which he was “numbered with the transgressors” were formally declared by the Father to be completely paid for. Christ was no longer “guilty” but free from all liability to punishment. But the sins for which he had been condemned were the sins of the world, and because Christ is the substitute for all men we can say that if one was justified, the all whose substitute he was were also justified in his resurrection, just as Paul can say, “If one died for all, then were all dead” (2 Co 5:14).
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Even more significant is the Septuagint’s use of a related word, il9 asthr& ion, as a translation for trep%ok@,a mercy seat. The mercy seat was the place where an atonement was made for the sins of the people by the blood that was sprinkled there by the high priest. The word for atonement is rp%uk@,i which is derived from rpak@ f which basically means “to cover.” Thus when the blood was sprinkled on the mercy-seat a “covering” was made by which the sins of the people were hidden from the eyes of an angry God. While it is not necessary to make our
case, I am convinced that if John had spoken in Hebrew he would have said that Christ is the Kippur, the cover, for our sins and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. But to cover sins is to forgive sins.
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We are not pressing the word beyond what it can bear if we say that, when Paul says that God justifies the ungodly, he is asserting that God declares the unbeliever just. The fact that the unbeliever by rejecting God’s verdict deprives himself eternally of the joy and comfort that this message gives does not make the declaration of God untrue, and, as Luther says, they will know someday how surely their sins were forgiven. Yet that knowledge then will only add to their torment in hell.
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Mark Zarling, MLC


Zarling:
These two brief passages clearly speak about the universal redemption Christ accomplished. And if Christ died for the sins of the world, are not those sins covered? Are they not forgiven? Do we dare call Christ a liar when He shouted "It is finished"? If Christ died for sins, the sins are forgiven. And we learned in II Cor 5:19 that forgiveness ("not imputing their trespasses unto them") is synonymous with justification.

On the basis of this brief overview of passages, what then is the Scriptural truth called universal justification? Simply this: In Christ, God has forgiven the sins of all men. By reason of Christ's perfect life of obedience and perfect sacrifice for all sins, God declares the world, believer and unbeliever alike, totally innocent. Jesus was the Substitute for all. His death is our death; His resurrection is ours. Although all are totally sinful and totally condemned because of Adam's transgression, yet because of Christ's righteousness we 7 are declared righteous. God's Word proclaims the purest Gospel possible. It is all God's abundant grace. Jesus has done it all. The world is declared innocent. And what is true for the world must be true for me! What comfort! What joy!
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UOJ refuted - from Robert Preus' last book,
Justification and Rome.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Brett Meyer Offers If Then Quotations - Rationalis...":

While gleaning these rational tidbits from the UOJists I ran across a self condemnation.

(W)ELS CA/AZ District President Jon Buchholz wrote the landmark 2005 WELS Convention essay promoting the false gospel of Objective Justification.

Here's his definition of heresy and what follows is his fulfillment of it.

"In each example, the mark of heresy is to go as far as Scripture goes—and then to go one step further."
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"God has forgiven the whole world. God has forgiven everyone his sins." This statement is absolutely true! This is the heart of the gospel, and it must be preached and taught as the foundation of our faith.
But here’s where the caveat comes in: In Scripture, the word "forgive" is used almost exclusively in a personal, not a universal sense. The Bible doesn’t make the statement, "God has forgiven the world."

"God has forgiven all sins, but the unbeliever rejects God’s forgiveness." Again, this statement is true—and Luther employed similar terminology to press the point of Christ’s completed work of salvation.16
But we must also recognize that Scripture doesn’t speak this way."

"God has declared the entire world righteous." This statement is true, as we understand it to mean that God has rendered a verdict of "not-guilty" toward the entire world. It is also true—and must be taught—that the righteousness of Christ now stands in place of the world’s sin; this is the whole point of what Jesus did for us at Calvary.
However, once again we’re wresting a term out of its usual context. In Scripture the term "righteous" usually refers to believers."


http://www.wlsessays.net/files/BuchholzJustification.pdf

The glory of the (W)ELS.

Sermon Help for Ministers and Laity Alike


Nathan Bickel wrote about plagiarized sermons and the causes.

The cure is to take the Epistle or Gospel for the day and explain each verse. That is edifying for the preacher and the congregation.

The Vatican lectionary was supposed to be a cure, but I know of WELS pastors who bought the ELCA sermon books to help them prepare. Such brilliance - like stopping at Terminex to buy ingredients for the Sunday dinner.

Expanding the possible texts tended to alarm the ministers into relying on more crutches. The more sermonic crutches used, the poorer the sermon. The worst is the plagiarized sermon or the synodical canned sermon (normally an ad for Holy Mother Synod).

There is nothing wrong with preaching through a book of the Bible. Nor is preaching a theme wrong, as long as it is Biblical and not an ad for Frau Pfarrer's (Mrs. Pastors's) life-coach business.

Three sources are ideal:


The laity may find Lenski a bit heavy on grammar and language, but he has many excellent insights. The printed set is available and relatively inexpensive.

Laymen should be experts on the Book of Concord. It is clear and well written. I will write more about studying it later.

If the pastors and laity focus on these three sources, they will benefit and see the fruits of the Spirit.

The Word does everything -
a liberal bishop said that long ago.
Now the "conservative" Lutherans say -
Church Growth fads to everything we want.


Dateline: London.
ChurchMouse Reporting



churchmousec (http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/) has left a new comment on your post "VirtueOnline - News - Exclusives - LONDON DIARY: F...":

That is so true, more than one can imagine.

For those who have never visited London, prepare for a surprise. It has changed dramatically over the past decade as the EU borders have opened up and the general immigration policy changed under Labour.

One of the most memorable experiences was being on the Tube with SpouseMouse a couple of years ago one night. The two of us were the only English speakers in our part of the carriage. That was a very strange feeling.

Anywhere one goes in London one encounters many non-English(speaking) residents. I haven't bought anything in a London sandwich bar / coffee shop from an English person since, erm ... 2006. Poles, Chinese, French, Portuguese, Cypriots, Turks, Thais -- yes, but someone English? No.

London's (re-elected) mayor Boris Johnson is going to look into the food outlet issue during his second term. My guess is the pay is too low in the chains. Also, most of the places in Southwark, Lambeth, etc. are family-owned. (Boris has an interesting family tree, incidentally -- part English and French royalty but mostly Turkish, even though he is known for his blond hair and fair skin.)

As for the Church of England, yes, the West Indian and African faithful are keeping her alive.

Churchmouse

Wendland's NNIV Seminar:
In the Moo...d


The Society for the Prevention of Good Translations met at Mequon again. Wendland made it clear that Murdoch's NNIV is the only way to go. The NNIV is dumbed-down so far that WELS loyalists can understand it.

The feminist mytho-porno language does not bother Wendland at all. See the sentence in blue above. Dr. Moo (a Babtist!) says it is wonderfully good.

If the process is working well (see diaprax), then the opponents will have lost steam and will go along with it at the district conventions coming up.

Dr. Moo visits the cow-wash.

Color me shocked if anything other than approval of the NNIV happens from those manipulated meetings.  Everyone will wait for everyone else to say something. No one will start. If someone does, that person will soon be gone, trashed by a chorus of WELS  Kool-aid drinkers.

The only solution is to start denying them money to operate. They have feathered their nests for the ones they love best (themselves). The members will be paying for the lawsuits for decades to come, until WELS is no more.

No - UOJ.
The NNIV is the UOJ translation.

Norman Teigen - Making the Apology Mean Something

One does not just apologize
and start the same thing over again.


Norman Teigen has left a new comment on your post "Pastors Plagiarizing Platitudes":

You have brought to our attention the apology of a celebrity Lutheran blogger and the resulting praise of another celebrity Lutheran blogger who has also apologized.

I do not intend to pass judgment on the validity of these apologies. As a friend told me, if the apologies are anything less than sincere then the matter is between the penitent and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The offenses which these celebrity bloggers are guilty include demeaning the comments and views of others that differ from their own. There is, added to this, a generous helping of pious baloney.

An important part of a MEA CULPA is the promise to refrain from further offense. These two celebrity bloggers could demonstrate their commitment to peace and harmony by voluntarily agreeing to refrain from commenting for say, two years.

Might this be expected? I would wager my JC Penney card that it won't happen that these two celebrities will be silent. There is ego involved and a certain intoxication with one's own verbosity.

I say to all who have apologized, continue in a life of repentance and stop posting for two years.

Norman Teigen, Layman
Evangelical Lutheran Synod

This graphic is borrowed from someone else
who has grown tired of McCain's tirades.
I consider his hissy-fits an honor,
given the bad company he keeps.

Pastors Plagiarizing Platitudes


Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Two Encouraging Comments: From 29A and Pope Paul t...":

Pastor Jackson -

In the future, could you do an article about Lutheran pastors plagiarizing their sermons.

I suspect that the practice is widespread. But, "how" widespread? I've witnessed it not too long ago, because I visited the WELS website and saw a series of sermons on the gifts of the Spirit from Romans 12. Then I listened to a sermon from that series. I think it was about Samuel's mother, Hannah, if my recall serves me correctly.

Since, then, I have not been able to locate on the WELS website where the pastors can acquire their Sunday canned sermons.

Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel

www.thechristianmessage.org

www.moralmatters.org

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GJ - I have heard about the canned sermons from WELS. I am not sure where they are from. Copying sermons verbatim is fairly common, but despicable. Congregations should view it as a violation of the call, especially when a Lutheran copies from a non-Lutheran, claims the sermon as his own, and publishes the sermon on the parish website.

John Parlow has been caught doing this. When I compared his sermon to the original, his congregation stopped posting the sermon. Now people have to request the sermon from the office.

Parlow and Limmer copied an email from Hybels (Willow Creek) and sent it around as their own, changing just a few words.

Another Appleton area pastor copied Chuck Swindoll verbatim and published it in his congregational website.

Tim Glende and Ski were obviously copying Craig Groeschel sermons and giving them - same titles, same texts, same context. Glende claimed that was not true and excommunicated the member who caught him at it. WELS promotes plagiarism and lying about plagiarism. I have seen the same obvious patterns of plagiarism in their sermons, but the titles do not show up on Google searches. Either they have Groeschel's style on their own or the Groeschel sermons are now behind a firewall. Deputy Doug, the DP, approves of clergy plagiarism but blames all his troubles on my blog.

Groschel told his disciples to be honest about the sermons and graphics he gave away. He mentioned one minister being fired for not admitting to kelming his sermons. Given clergy laziness, Groeschel might have set up the fire wall.

Some have asked me to check out other sermons, since I have software to check for plagiarism all over the Net. The sermons have sounded suspect but did not register on Turn-It-In. They were original and sounded phony or they used some cloaking mechanism. One way would be to send recordings around or post the audio alone, so word matches would not show up unless other congregations copied them the same way. Another way would be to use a secure log-in (https) to hide content.

When a pastor is hotter than Georgia asphalt for one of these mega-church leaders, it is easy to tell. He borrows a motto (Ski) or joins the association (Parlow - Willow Creek). Some checking around will turn up common themes and texts.

Non-Lutherans like Groeschel are fond of sermon series with clever names. When I see a four-part series with a clever name, promoted at a Lutheran church, I suspect an alien source.


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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Pastors Plagiarizing Platitudes":

Pastor Jackson,

Thank you. Yes, I agree - some tell-tale signs of plagiarizing sermons, are, as you say, common titles, texts and themes. Also, what I think contributes, (although) not the cause, are the designated pericopes which seem to be, synodically encouraged. There is no substitute for boring - having everyone do the same thing. Recently I remember seeing an online reference to a WELS publication by a WELS (southern state pastor) which was [is] to be an "aid" to WELS pastors. If my memory recall serves me correctly, it was giving pericope themes with some short notes, according to the particular pericope church year.

I'm suspicious of plagiarizing sermons, when a sermon is delivered with a construction content that begins with an illustration and which carries its "puppy" thematic illustration, throughout, to the bitter end. The illustration often becomes more, the content than the actual substance. It leaves the pew listener thinking to himself, - "How is pastor going to tie in, this over bloated illustration that he has spent 5 minutes constructing in his introduction? How is he going to end this with the same thing, and tie it into all his illustration airbrushed retelling of the Biblical narrative that is sandwiched between?" I think that these type sermons hinder the Spirit's influence upon the soul which needs to hear from his pastor and from God, on a particular Sunday morning.

Perhaps, I am one who expects too much, since I was a second career seminary student and had some life experience and other types of employment behind me, before being ordained and out in the parish ministry field. Regardless, though, I think that there is no excuse for sermon plagiarizing. If a young pastor does not possess the life experience and have some of his own ideas – (and, especially, the words) to present, - then, he should be spending more time reading, praying and meditating upon the Word, - and, especially exercising his faith, looking to the Holy Spirit to give him some fresh manna Word. That, may take some time, though, – precious time spent detracting from developing a “necessary” “church growth” program.

Nathan M. Bickel - pastor emeritus

www.thechristianmessage.org

www.moralmatters.org