Tuesday, February 26, 2013

Crass Pizza Sale at The CORE - St. Peter, Freedom, Wisconsin





Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Contact Information To Clear Up Fox Valley Mystery...":

Ichabod -

I clicked on the link to access The Core's website. The URL came up to www.gotocore.com

The website home page is as ugly as sin.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Crass Pizza Sale at The CORE - St. Peter, Freedom,...":

"Crass Pizza Sale"

Easily eclipsed by their "Eating Wings For Jesus" events. The glory of the (W) ELS!


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LPC has left a new comment on your post "Contact Information To Clear Up Fox Valley Mystery...":

Normally beer and pizzas go together but they have not gone that far yet.

LPC

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Oh contraire, Dr. Cruz. They are keeping the beer and wine license from the bar they bought - for weddings. I have never heard of a congregation needing a beer and wine license.

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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Contact Information To Clear Up Fox Valley Mystery...":

....This short video has me asking some questions:

<<<<<< "Purchased pizza for St. Peter?" .... "Have your money available, because we need it right away......" >>>>>>

Wasn't the WELS $500,000.00 enough? Is there more technology needed to invest (spend) at the Core to make it a smashing success? Do they need a new sound system and / or seed money to grow their new batch of pizza yeast for their next marathon sale event?

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GJ - When congregations take advantage of their tax free status to compete with local businesses, they are saying, "We cannot support ourselves. We need to hide behind our charitable status to make money for our wants and needs."


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From RL:


Regarding your  WELS Pizza Puff post......well, let's say I had a big LOL.

Sorry,  I just couldn't help myself. The MENSA peeps at WELS HQ must be working overtime.

I suspect the last time anybody mentioned Jesus Christ at Porky's was when the janitor slipped and fell down the stairs.

What boggles my mind is how observant Lutherans continue to contribute to the architecture of that thing. 

Contact Information To Clear Up Fox Valley Mystery


quercuscontramalum (http://quercuscontramalum.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Who Owns the Title to This Newest Stewardship Fail...":

Do I understand correctly that Synod spent $500,000 REMODELING the bar, but they didn't even erect a CROSS over downtown Appleton?

Is ANYONE watching over checks being written in Milwaukee?

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GJ - I understand from the article that the cost of the stinky old bar (twice a failure) was over $500,000.

That was covered by a WELS grant. 100% covered? - it is not clear.

On top of that cost was remodeling, which WELS loaned to St. Peter, Freedom (aka The CORE).

Journalism is not very precise these days, so I am sure Keith Free in Milwaukee will be glad to share all the details about the financing. He and SP Schroeder seemed overly anxious to fund Church and Changers like Tim Glende and Rick Johnson, but not so anxious to spell it all out in public. The announcement I saw omitted The CORE entirely.

I heard that a cross was added.

Yes - Mark and Avoid Jeske is watching the checks being written in Milwaukee. And he blesses them.

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Contact Information for St. Peter, Freedom, Wisconsin:

Pastor Glende - glende@new.rr.com

Pastor Sievert - dsievert@me.com

Pastor Koelpin - phil.koelpin@me.com

Phil Punzel - ppunzel@new.rr.com

Rhonda Dietzler - rdietzler@new.rr.com

Phone:
920-739-2009

Mail:
N2749 French Rd.
Appleton, WI 54913

Our Staff is confusing, because it omits Ski, who is on the staff. The CORE is simply the evening service at St. Peter, not a separate congregation.

The CORE website is full of gimmicks.
920-364-0200 is one phone number given.
The WELS annual gives that as his office number.
Another number given for Ski is 920-540-0879.

Leslye is at 920-716-2539. She replaced Bishop Katie.

No phone for Ski on his own website? Top secret?

pastorski@gotocore.com

Babtist gay activist Andy Stanley trained Ski, Glende, Parlow, and
many other WELS workers in how to worship.
Did that include picking hims?
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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Contact Information To Clear Up Fox Valley Mystery...":

Ichabod -

I clicked on the link to access the Core's website. The URL came up to www.gotocore.com

The website home page is as ugly as sin.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Contact Information To Clear Up Fox Valley Mystery...":

The Core's "Love Struck" pietistic cell group series continues...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPRCQSWLk5w 



Crawling into the Lap of the Antichrist -
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Thoughts on the retirement of the Professor Pope

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Thoughts on the retirement of the Professor Pope

FEBRUARY 26, 2013 NO COMMENT
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Pope Benedict XVI
by John Stephenson
After publishing three book-length interviews with his fellow-countryman in the Vatican (two with the cardinal prefect responsible for doctrine, the third with the Pope himself), German journalist Peter Seewald is now working on the biography of Joseph Ratzinger. After his last meeting with his subject, held in the closing weeks of 2012, and in light of the impending abdication of Benedict XVI on February 28, Seewald has written movingly of a frail old man, blind in his left eye, increasingly deaf, painfully emaciated, drained of all energy after a lifetime of unremitting labour.
Before making the acquaintance of Joseph Ratzinger, Seewald was one of the millions of contemporary Germans who had drifted away from the church; he now attributes his return to the faith in no small measure to the quiet and thoughtful witness of his interviewee. The famous Reformed theologian Karl Barth once bitingly remarked that he knew of no one who had come to “joy and peace in believing” (Romans 15:13) through the work of Rudolf Bultmann, a radical New Testament scholar who considered the Gospels works to belong in the category of “myth.” The fact that many will join Seewald in coming to a different conclusion concerning the ministry of Joseph Ratzinger constitutes perhaps the highest compliment one could make to the retiring Bishop of Rome.
If Joseph Ratzinger is not the “dean” of the worldwide guild of theologians of those confessions which believe the Christian religion is true, I don’t know who else could be nominated for the honorific position. Going on three decades ago already, my mentor the late Robert Preus (who was sharply critical of most things Roman Catholic) had considerable respect for him. In Lutheran circles, only Hermann Sasse springs to mind as a figure of comparable stature.
Since the Second World War, a variety of theologians have enjoyed the spotlight of their colleagues’ attention. In the realm of Protestantism none has gained the stature of Karl Barth. Among Ratzinger’s fellow Roman Catholics, Karl Rahner and Hans Urs von Balthasar enjoyed their season of fame, but Rahner’s thought is governed by philosophy, while Balthasar (though he had some good things to say) took off into flights of unwarranted speculation. What has impressed many Lutherans about Ratzinger is his rootedness in Scripture and the ancient Fathers and his quiet Christocentric focus. It is not without reason that, in his official reaction to Benedict XVI’s laying down the papal office, Bishop Hans-Jörg Voigt of the Independent Evangelical Lutheran Church in Germany (SELK) noted that many of Ratzinger’s positions have been “startlingly close [durchaus nahe] to those of confessional Lutheranism” (selk_news February 11, 2013).
What has impressed many Lutherans about Ratzinger is his rootedness in Scripture and the ancient Fathers and his quiet Christocentric focus.
The works of Joseph Ratzinger have featured noticeably in the text and footnotes of my own writings over the past three decades, oftentimes in the context of agreement, but not seldom in a setting of debate (Auseinandersetzung) where the Lutheran dogmatician (understandably) fails to see eye to eye with his Roman Catholic counterpart. Yet, although some big issues remain to be ironed out (and perhaps they will remain unresolved this side of eternity), a major fruit of the Ecumenical Movement has been the advent of greater charity in theological debate, and Ratzinger himself has been exemplary in the courtesy he displays to those who disagree with him.
Whenever I speak at Brock University (St. Catharines, Ontario), I aim to accomplish two things in any specific address: first, and obviously, to express something distinctively Lutheran; and, secondly (especially given that Concordia Lutheran Theological Seminary—the institution with which I am a professor—is the only Christian institution on campus), I aim to say something that speaks for and to all believing Christians, and that therefore belongs under the heading of C. S. Lewis’s “Mere Christianity.”
As Ratzinger (especially during his quarter century as chief doctrinal spokesman for his church body) has himself said much that is distinctively Roman Catholic, I find it remarkable that he has crowned his tenure as Pope with the publication of a trilogy—Jesus of Nazareth—that represents a beautiful, clear, and powerful witness to Mere Christianity.
A couple of years ago, a seminarian from our German sister church who was having supper at our home with his wife, told me of the positive reception the first two volumes Ratzinger’s Jesus of Nazareth was having in the SELK, with Bishop Emeritus Jobst Schöne leading the charge of appreciation. But, this student said, many professional New Testament scholars were upset that a non-specialist had made an uninvited foray into their discipline. After all, surely the subject-matter is too complicated and obscure, something inaccessible to the man in the street…
Well, as I recently argued in a review published in the journal of our two Canadian faculties, Ratzinger’sJesus of Nazareth is a product of sterling scholarship that represents a literary triumph of Mere Christianity, a work in which believing Christians of all confessions may rejoice. Remarkably, just a few months ago the now retiring Pope held a copy of Lutheran Theological Review 24 (in which my review appeared) in his hands. He asked an American prelate working in the Vatican’s State Department to write me a letter of appreciation, noting especially Benedict’s thanks at my remark that he had “provided an ecumenical solution to an ecumenical problem.”
Ratzinger’s Jesus of Nazareth is a product of sterling scholarship that represents a literary triumph of Mere Christianity, a work in which believing Christians of all confessions may rejoice.
Debate (Auseinandersetzung) will, of course, continue, and I hope that another Roman Catholic theologian of Ratzinger’s stature will emerge to carry on his work. But, as a frail and exhausted man stricken in years now passes into the annals of history while remaining for a while alive on earth, I express my appreciation, admiration, sympathy, and prayers. And if, as talks between the Vatican and the International Lutheran Council continue, a panel of our theologians should soon sit across from their Roman Catholic counterparts somewhere in the Eternal City and this aged churchman and scholar should shuffle into the room, I would be most interested in what he might yet have to contribute to the discussion.
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Rev. Dr. John Stephenson is Professor of Historical Theology at Concordia Lutheran Theological Seminary (CLTS) in St. Catharines, Ontario. He is one of Lutheran Church–Canada’s (LCC) representatives on the Working Group for discussions between LCC and the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Dr. Stephensons’s review of Pope Benedict XVI’s Jesus of Nazareth appears in Volume 24 of Lutheran Theological Review (pages 109-122), a theological journal jointly published by LCC’s two seminaries: CLTS, and Concordia Lutheran Seminary in Edmonton. Read the issue online here.

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Who Owns the Title to This Newest Stewardship Fail from WELS?

The Love Shack funded this purchase, a few blocks from another WELS church.

Classic Ichabod, July 12, 2012 -

My secret Appleton source, the local paper:

Reader question: I have driven past Revolution on Franklin Street a couple times recently and noticed that the “available” sign is down. Did somebody lease finally lease the building and what is going to be in there?


Answer: That vacant building at 222 W. Franklin St., at the corner of Superior Street in Appleton, was purchased in a deal that closed Friday.

The new owner is The CORE, a church group that previously held services in the former Big Picture theater and then the OuterEdge Stage in downtown Appleton.

The Core is an outreach ministry of St. Peter Lutheran Church in Freedom.

“We’re not a standalone congregation. We’re a second campus,” said campus pastor Jim Skorzewski, who is known as Pastor Ski. “The Revolution building fell into our lap. It’s been a blessing.”

His congregation tends to be on the young side, mostly under age 35. Worship includes live bands. The Core will continue to hold its Sunday evening worship services at OuterEdge until this building is ready in September.

“We were never looking for a building, but we we’re always looking for a building,” he said. “We didn’t want to be a church that gets a building and then its vision and mission fall to the back burner because everything turns into paying the mortgage. We wanted to put our dollars into flesh and blood, people and relationships.”

Online, real estate listings show the asking price was $850,000. Outagamie County records listed its 2011 fair market value at about $523,000.

“We paid closer to fair market value,” said Jeff Ulman, a member of the church’s executive committee. “George Karl worked with us and helped us out extensively.”

George Karl, head coach of the Denver Nuggets and former coach of the Milwaukee Bucks, owned the building.

The purchase was handled through a church extension fund, said Skorzewski.

“We received a wonderful grant and loan from WELS, the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. Our remodeling was covered by the loan from WELS.”

Church volunteers are already inside working on the renovation. The church draws about 250 people on a typical Sunday.

Revolution was the last nightclub that operated in the Franklin Street building. It was open for about six months, until July 2010. Prior to that, the club had been opened and closed by several operators under the names Tom’s Garage, The Garage and Pulse Nightclub.

Skorzewski said the church would not keep the full liquor license that went with the building. If they chose to host wedding receptions in the building in the future, he said they would apply for a beer and wine license.

This is at least the fourth building in the Fox Cities to be converted from a business into a church in recent years, including structures that previously housed the Vineyard (now Living Faith), SK Flooring (now the Mission Church) and Big Picture (now Christ's Church of the Valley).

Note that in the printed version of this story in The Post-Crescent, the church in the Big Picture was incorrect. It is correct above.



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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Who Owns the Title to This Newest Stewardship Fail...":

It would be appropriate if this stinky bar became the new WELS synod HQs, since it is bought and paid for already.

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GJ - The bar facilities that remain would be well used. I think they call it the Tiefel Room, in his honor.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Who Owns the Title to This Newest Stewardship Fail...":

You asked who owns the title for the old stinky bar turned church. I don't know who has the title, but since the WELS (I'm guessing Home Missions) gave a loan and a grant to The Core, the WELS is sure to put a lien on the property if the loan payments stop.

I find it ironic that Ski got in trouble in a bar after hours since his day job is at a church that still looks like a bar from the outside. All it needs is neon signs. It's as though he was barhopping.

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GJ - Someone looked up the fact that St. Peter in Freedom is on the title, which makes sense, since The CORE is just the evening service of St. Peter. Ski is just an assistant pastor at St. Peter.

That is like naming the midweek services The Happening and making them seem to be a completely new congregation.

Deception is a way of life in WELS. Watch them try to lie their way out of this scandal.


Pastor Joel Lillo Did NOT Answer My Question,
But Anyone Can Ask the DP, Deputy Doug

Deputy Doug makes sure Lutheran doctrine makes no inroads in his territory.
He approves of clergy plagiarism, because "everyone does it."


From one reader:


Doug’s email: nwdp@wels.net
home phone: 920-722-3218
cell phone: 920-841-2809
From the WELS Yearbook 2013, a public document.
Yes, the information is “copyrighted,” however, the information is also shared with the U.S. government (IRS) in order to determine what organizations fit under the synod’s 501(c)3 status, and which individuals are “ministers of the Gospel” for tax purposes, thus the information is “public.”
[GJ - Copyright does not mean secret, but only - do not make money selling this work, without permission, to others.]

Oh, and the newsdesk of the local newspaper:
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Joel Lillo has left a new comment on your post "The Legalistic Antinomians Owe Their Errors to UOJ...":

I did so answer your e-mail. I said, "Why don't you ask him yourself." 

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GJ - Joel sent his non-answer, but it went into the spam folder. Still, it is not an answer.

"Is your father coming to dinner?"

"Why don't you ask him yourself?"

That sounds pretty snippy, when a yes or a no is required.

Approved by DP Doug.

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Joel has left a new comment on your post "Pastor Joel Lillo Did NOT Answer My Question, But ...":

Greg,

Here is an honest answer to your question: I know so little about the situation that anything I say would be nothing more than rumor and would probably hurt, not help, the situation.

I repeat. If you want to know more, please contact Ski.

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GJ - It is my melancholy duty to report that Ski and Glende are famous for NOT answering emails, for blocking them instead.

As for SP Schroeder, I sent him a certified letter and he claimed he never got it. When I posted the graphic of the return receipt, which he signed, he remembered. He did not reply because it was a copy.

But the pastors under his supervision did not answer their certified letters either.

So - send a letter if you want to be excommunicated, WELSians.

Or have your emails blocked.

Or set up a meeting with DP Doug and pray he shows up.

If someone would like to list the contact information for Tim and Ski, I will post it.

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Joel Lillo has left a new comment on your post "Pastor Joel Lillo Did NOT Answer My Question, But ...":

Greg,

My question to you is this: "Why would you expect me to provide you with ammunition so that you can break the eighth commandment?" You should be thanking me that I'm not being an enabler for your sin.

Antinomian, indeed! Pshaw!!!!

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GJ - I just asked for a yes or no. Your hyper-sensitivity, Joel, betrays your anxiety about the situation. Suspended or not?

WELS is only too happy to pronounce Rydecki suspended for teaching justification by faith.

I take that back - they did not use those words. It is always "false doctrine" or not agreeing with the UOJ-CGM dogma of Holy Mother WELS, but put more delicately.

I am only guessing, because I never asked, that Rydecki agrees with the original Gausewitz catechism, something he can read and translate, unlike most Sausage Factory graduates. But that should never be brought up, since WELS has a history of lying about UOJ.

WELS doctrinal leadership is the stuff of legends - their own.


The Legalistic Antinomians Owe Their Errors to UOJ

WELS Pastor Joel Lillo, Fox Valley, has not answered my email.

I heard about an incident in Fox Valley. Two pastors were sitting in a bar....

The rest is not a joke.

Pastor Joel Lillo has written countless comments for this blog, 99% negative, and emailed me as well. I emailed him yesterday, to find out the facts, which do not involve him directly.

I have not heard from him.

I was looking for DP Doug's email, but that is hard to find. Most people list an email with their names, on congregational blogs. His was missing.

In doing some background for this post, I found a number of relevant posts, by Rick Techlin and by the Intrepids. I copied some of it below.

One reason the Intrepid Lutherans formed was the situation in Fox Valley, backed by DP Doug, blessed by Mark and Avoid Jeske, financed by WELS and Thrivent.

The readers may investigate for themselves the way in which laity and pastors are abused in WELS, while the lying false teachers are comforted, rewarded, and praised.

I noticed how anyone with questions was boxed into a corner. The letter is confidential, but the WELS officials are free to trash anyone who even dares to question Holy Mother Synod. The Roman Catholics   have reaped billions in lawsuits from that attitude.

I warned DP Robert Mueller and VP Paul Kuske, Michigan District, WELS, that their support of abusive, adulterous pastors would cost them dearly - besides being dead wrong. I told Mueller he was no different from a rapist himself. However, contrition is not the strong suit of WELS DPs.

Revenge is.

A few years later, after I resigned from WELS, the police arrested a WELS vicar for having an affair with a minor girl in his assigned congregation - and he was married. No celibate priesthood excuse for him! The vicar spent some time in the state prison in Michigan, but the DP did not tell his own pastors what had happened.

I helped the girl's lawyer win a large settlement from WELS, by telling the attorney the truth about WELS. That has probably fueled their rage ever since, because WELS worships money. They love money not Christ.

Write Deputy Doug a letter,
so he can use your words to get rid of you.

Diapraxing the Laity - Write a Letter! Says SP Mark Schroeder.
But Feel Free To Disagree with the Scriptures, the Book of Concord, and Luther.

Rick Techlin agrees with Glende and Ski that the entire world has been declared forgiven, and saved, without faith,
but they still kicked him out.


On April 11, 2011, the voters of St. Peter congregation met, and voted to terminate my fellowship with St. Peter Church and the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS).  I was not aware of this meeting, no members of my family were present, and I was not afforded any opportunity to defend myself.
Out of the blue and without any warning right before Holy Week of 2011, I received a certified letter informing me that my membership in St. Peter and the WELS was terminated.  (April 12, 2011 letter from St. Peter Church).  That certified letter said:
April 12, 2011
Dear Fredrick (Rick) Techlin Jr.,
In your letter titled “Letter to WELS 2011″ dated January 20, 2011 and published on your blog a few days later, you made the following statements:
“However, during our attempts to resolve the doctrinal differences reiterated by that letter, it became apparent that I disagree doctrinally not only with Pastor Glende and my Church Council, but also District President Engelbrecht, and other leaders in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS).”  (page 1)
“I do disagree with my pastors and Church Council over doctrine.”  (page 11)
“My doctrinal differences with my congregation have been known by me for well over two years.”  (page 29)
“Should I continue in fellowship with synod leaders who counsel laymen not to pray with other non-WELS Christians, but then defend WELS pastors who plagiarize the sermons of our theological enemies?  The answer is no.  I should not continue in fellowship with the theological blackguards of the WELS…’  (page 31)
Rick, by your own words you have declared that you are no longer in fellowship with St. Peter Ev. Lutheran Church and the doctrine of the WELS.  On the basis of your published statements, St. Peter’s Board of Elders and Church Council recommended to the Voter’s Assembly that your membership in our congregation be terminated.  At the Voter’s Meeting of St. Peter Ev. Lutheran Church on April 11th, 2011, this recommendation was acted upon and unanimously approved.  In carrying out this action, St. Peter is simply acknowledging what you have already declared to be true in your “Letter to WELS 2011″.  This action is in keeping with St. Peter’s Constitution, Article V, Section 5 – Termination of Fellowship.
We commend you to your own spiritual care and will continue to keep you in our prayers.
Sincerely,
St. Peter Ev. Lutheran Church Voters, Board of Elders, & Church Council
According to St. Peter Church’s certified letter, “by your own words you have declared that you are no longer in fellowship with … the doctrine of the WELS” and that “St. Peter is simply acknowledging what you have already declared to be true in your ‘Letter to WELS 2011′.”  However, my 2011 letter to the WELS also said:
… if I am wrong about the doctrine, then how am I supposed to be corrected if I cannot attend any meetings where these issues are being discussed?  …
Therefore, I am sending this letter to the WELS Conference of Presidents (COP) in the hope that maybe I do not have to leave the WELS over doctrine.  These are important issues, and if I am wrong, then I should be properly instructed so that I can be convinced by God’s Word…  My strongest desire is not to leave the WELS, rather I more strongly desire that these doctrinal conflicts would be resolved with unanimous agreement.  To that end, there needs to be discussion, and that is one of the primary purposes of these letters…
1.  Is it the WELS doctrine that Christians can choose to believe God’s Word?
2.  Is it the WELS doctrine that from our perspective God needs our service?
3.  Is it the WELS doctrine that the sin of plagiarism is not a sin?  …
If the WELS Conference of Presidents answers ‘yes’ to any of these questions, please have some kind person explain the doctrine to me in a way that I can understand.  If I am wrong, then I will be wrong.  I have no personal stake in being infallible, and neither should any other Christian.  Further it is not my desire to leave the WELS without serious effort to at least understand these positions, even if I am unable to agree.
I cannot simply choose to believe that which I actually believe is false.  I must be shown the truth in the light of plain reason or the Scriptures.  This points to the fifth consequence of post conversion Decision Theology:  There has been very little (virtually no) effort put into showing me the ‘light.’  I have been simply expected to choose to believe the St. Peter & The CORE doctrine.  And if praise songs, popcorn, and big screen TVs are not enough positive motivation, then other negative motivators are applied.  The goal is not to reveal the light of truth, but to motivate a choice…
(See also “WELS Northern Wisconsin District Doctrinal Issues“).  The entire letter dated January 20, 2011 is basically a description of my efforts to discuss doctrine, and the total rebuffing of those efforts.  This final act of terminating fellowship means that I am no longer a member of the WELS or of any visible Christian church.
St. Peter Church terminated my fellowship with the WELS under Article V, Section 5 of St. Peter Church’s Constitution.  That section deals with Christians who are not accused of any willful sin (and thus can still go to heaven), but are still nonetheless guilty of false doctrine, and therefore must be excluded from the fellowship of the orthodox.  It states:
Termination of Fellowship
A.  Members who persist in an error that in itself does not make the presence of saving faith impossible and who otherwise are not under church discipline (cf Article V Section 2D and Section 3) may be excluded from the fellowship of the congregation
1.  after they have been evangelically admonished by their fellow Christians in the spirit of Matthew 18:15-16; and
2.  when their adherence to error becomes public and a matter of divisiveness (Titus 3:10) and thus an offense and obstacle to the truth of God’s Word (Romans 16:17-18).
B.  This action shall not be used for removing inactive members as a substitute for the loving act of excommunication when impenitence is clearly evident.
C.  Members thus excluded from fellowship shall lose all rights in the congregation and in its property.
That section of the Constitution cites Titus 3:10 and Romans 16:17-18.  There Paul says: “A man that is a heretic after the first and second admonition reject” (KJV).  Also:
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.  For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.  [KJV.  Emphasis added].
The Scriptures cited by the St. Peter Church constitution contain the phrase: “mark … and avoid.”  This means that St. Peter Church has marked me as a persistent errorist and a teacher of false doctrine that all WELS congregations and members should avoid.
St. Peter Church says I declared myself out of WELS fellowship.  That is false.  If I thought the WELS doctrine was wrong, and I believed that I could not be convinced of that doctrine, then I would gladly leave.  I would not need to be without warning kicked out right before Easter.
In terminating my fellowship, St. Peter Church cited only my letter to the WELS dated January 20, 2011.  That letter also references another letter dated November 1, 2009.  Here are links to both letters:
People can judge for themselves whether there is false doctrine in those letters.  I believe those letters accurately represent the doctrine of the Scriptures as interpreted by the Lutheran Confessions and as subscribed to by the WELS.
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After the January 20, 2011 letter, the only meeting I had with the pastors of St. Peter Congregation was on March 25, 2011.  The five concerned area WELS pastors had been trying to meet with the pastors of St. Peter & The CORE for over a year.  However, the pastors of St. Peter refused to meet without the District Presidium, and the District Presidium refused to meet together with all the pastors.  Finally, as a courtesy to the Synod President, the Northern Wisconsin District Presidium scheduled a meeting for March 25, 2011.  The five concerned pastors were also able to secure an invitation for Tony Kubek Jr. and me.  (See the post: “An Update“).
The Northern Wisconsin District Presidium continues to maintain that these public matters cannot be handled in a brotherly way if we publicly discuss them.  However, St. Peter Church has publicly terminated my fellowship with the WELS, therefore, I should be able to at least say that the conclusion of this meeting was not: that I should leave the WELS.
No agreement was reached on any issue, nonetheless, I did not leave this meeting thinking that my fellowship with the WELS was about to be terminated.  District President Engelbrecht encouraged everyone to keep our discussions private and to be willing to engage in further meetings.  Nonetheless, two weeks later, St. Peter Church publicly terminated my fellowship in the WELS as a persistent errorist.
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In their certified letter, St. Peter Church concluded: “We commend you to your own spiritual care …”  I have done my best to resolve these matters Scripturally by attempting to discuss them.  However, the leadership of St. Peter Church has been steadfastly adamant that there is absolutely nothing wrong at St. Peter Church, and therefore these matters will not be discussed in any way in which my concerns would be given any legitimate consideration.  By their words and deeds the leadership of St. Peter Church has officially declared that we are not walking together, we do not have the same doctrine, and we do not belong in the same synod.  Their persistence has forced me to agree, that we do not belong in the same synod.
I have appealed this wrongful termination of my WELS fellowship to the Appeals Board of the Northern Wisconsin District.  That is as high as a layman can appeal.  (WELS Constitution § 8.50(e)).  If I lose this appeal and no other WELS congregation steps in to intervene, then my days in the WELS will be over.  But at least I would know where the Northern Wisconsin District officially stands on doctrine.
Win or lose, the spiritual battle belongs to the Lord.  (Ephesians 6:12).
Kyrie eleison.

Intrepid Lutherans on the Fox Valley Situation - Two Years Ago.
Write a Letter! Meet with the DP (If He Shows Up)!

WELS threw Gausewitz under the bus a long time ago.
What are the results of doctrinal apostasy?
Antinomianism.
The Techlin letters are linked here. As they say in WELS, the first step in excommunication is writing a letter about doctrinal error being tolerated. 

Glende and Ski kicked Techlin out of the congregation, and DP Doug defended plagiarizing Craig Groeschel.

SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 2011


Why I No Longer Attend My [WELS] Church


Dear Readers,

Please take some time today and read through the two letters referenced in the link below. This case captures quite well what some of the problems and difficulties are which today plague our WELS, and which simply must be dealt with, sooner rather than later. This layman has gone above and beyond what is necessary to follow the Scriptural procedures. All the editors at Intrepid Lutheran stand behind him one hundred percent. We hope you will also!

http://vdma.wordpress.com/2011/02/04/why-i-no-longer-attend-my-church/

Pastor Spencer

22 COMMENTS:

Rev. Paul A. Rydecki said...
This is a well-written, well-documented example of a WELS layman who has painstakingly followed all the proper channels (and then some) to address errors he has seen firsthand in his congregation and district. As of this time, we are told that a meeting has finally been approved and scheduled that includes all the parties involved. We will provide updates as we are able.

We urge our readers to pray for Mr. Techlin, his congregation and its leaders, and the Northern Wisconsin District and its leaders, so that error might be addressed and rooted out in a God-pleasing manner. We fully support Mr. Techlin in his resolve to restore confessional Lutheran doctrine and practice in his congregation, and we hope that all WELS pastors and laymen in that district will recognize the need to stand behind Mr. Techlin for the preservation of the Gospel.
Anonymous said...
What can WELS laypeople do about disgusting situations like this? If the people of the Northern Wisconsin District keep electing leaders who refuse to stand for Confessional Lutheranism, and, in fact, seem to protect false teachers, what can people who live in other districts do? If the leaders of a District repeatedly refuse to do their duty, doesn't there come a time when President Schroeder must step in and remove those leaders? Doesn't there come a time when a repeated "Yes, we're aware of it and we're dealing with it" isn't sufficient anymore?

It's a very frustrating situation, all the more so because it doesn't seem like there's anything that the average WELS layperson (or pastor) can do about it.

Mr. Adam Peeler
Intrepid Lutherans said...
Mr. Peeler,

Yes, there is something laypeople can do. They can call, write, email, their own Pastors, CPs, DPs, and the synod President, and express their frustration with leaders like the NWD DP, and support for men like Mr. Techlin, and the Intrepid Lutherans. And they can do so over and over and over and over again. And they can encourage others to do the same. What we need are thousands of calls, letters, and emails, all saying the same thing; demanding that the false teachers be dealt with - NOW! Believe me, that will make a difference, one way or another. Do it today - and pass the word! Don't hesitate. Don't wait. Don't bide your time. NOW is the time to act. Do not let this opportunity pass. Strike! Defend confessional Lutheranism! Attack the sectarian forces that are threatening to destroy the WELS as an orthodox Lutheran church body! You can do it!

Pastor Spencer
Daniel Baker said...
Mr. Techlin is certainly in my prayers, as is his congregation and the entire Appleton area. On the one hand, all of this is extremely disparaging. On the other, it is encouraging to see the realization of God's preservation of the Elect.
Intrepid Lutherans said...
Mr. Peeler,

As one of the five pastors who've engaged the Northern Wisconsin District Presidium in discussions concerning the doctrine and practice of St. Peter, Freedom and the CORE, Appleton, I can say that your frustration is shared by us and the two laymen who join us. (One of those laymen is Rick Techlin, the author of the two letters.)

WELS President Schroeder is aware of our concerns. He has recently met with President Engelbrecht of the Northern Wisconsin District. Finally, after months of asking that President Engelbrecht set up a meeting between our group and the pastors of St. Peter and the CORE, it looks as though a meeting might finally happen in the next week.

During the past year we have had a couple of face-to-face meetings with the NW District Presidium, and shared thesis papers on the areas of doctrine that concern us. In early December they did agree in principle with each of those areas of doctrine. However, they were not going to request a meeting with the pastors of St. Peter and the CORE. Now we'd like to see them take the next step, insisting that continued practice that is opposed to Scriptural doctrine be halted.

Please understand that it is not up to the WELS President to unilaterally remove leaders from their positions of leadership. The WELS Constitution (section 8.20) says, "The two district vice presidents with the concurrence of the district circuit pastors may suspend the district president from his office. The president shall have 60 days thereafter to appeal this suspension. If there is no appeal within 60 days, the action shall be final and the officer is removed from office. If he appeals, the appeal will be heard by the District Board of Appeals."

Furthermore, "In the case of district vice presidents and secretary, the president with the concurrence of the circuit pastors may suspend another officer. The district officer shall have 60 days thereafter to appeal this suspension. If there is no appeal within 60 days, the action shall be final and the officer if removed from office. If he appeals, the appeal will be heard by the District Board of Appeals."

Also, "The conduct of review shall rest with the District Board of Appeals. The board shall have the right and power to examine all documentary evidence and correspondence and to require such testimony
that in its judgment is relevant. The decision of the District Board of Appeals may be appealed to
the Synod Board of Appeals. Upon the appeal, the Synod Board of Appeals may review the action
of the District Board of Appeals."

I'm normally not one who quotes the synod Constitution. Yet, it is how we've agreed to do things in a proper and fitting way.

Continued ...
Intrepid Lutherans said...
Continued ...

Pastor Spencer is correct. Pastors, teachers, laypeople must make it clear to their leaders that they cannot condone the doctrine and practice that is taking place at St. Peter, Freedom or the CORE. The more we do so, the more our leaders will know that Confessional Lutheranism is something we do want to defend.

Though I'd love to say that you're wrong, I can't disagree with your assessment that "the people of the Northern Wisconsin District keep electing leaders who refuse to stand for Confessional Lutheranism, and, in fact, seem to protect false teachers."

Elections in the NW District are never discussed publicly. We simply race through the election process, usually with the same results. At one of the face-to-face meetings with the NW District Presidium, our small group of pastors was asked, "What would you do if you were us?" There is little disagreement that we would stand for being intentionally Lutheran--confessionally Lutheran. I'm not sure why our leaders are timid in doing so, except that those who aren't intentionally Lutheran will declare them to be legalistic.

To end on a positive note, I am very encouraged when I see laypeople like Rick Techlin stand for the truth of Scripture. Rick is not grandstanding. He is a very humble, thoughtful person who refuses to allow God's Word to be compromised in any way. For the NW District Presidium to ignore him in the way they are, is hard to accept.

Thanks, Mr. Peeler, for your continued concern for this situation and your continued contributions to Intrepid Lutherans.

Pastor Paul Lidtke
Daniel Baker said...
I am encouraged to hear that the Intrepid Lutherans are taking up the case, as it were. The charges that this group is "doing nothing" can surely be put to rest now. I pray for fruitful results from your anticipated meeting with Pastors Glende and Skorzewski.
Anonymous said...
Pastor Lidtke,
Please keep us informed as to the outcome of these meetings. Please resist all efforts to keep this public doctrinal matters "confidential". As you well know, the WELS likes to "sweep it under the carpet". God bless Rick Techlin, may we be blessed with more wonderful laymen like him!
Scott E. Jungen
Anonymous said...
Thank you for the information Pastor Lidtke. Thank you especially for having the courage to take a stand against false doctrine and practice--we need more pastors like you.

Thanks also for the quotes from the WELS Constitution. It seems to me that that particular section of the Constitution is ill-conceived. It's reasonable to expect that if a majority of voters elect a district president who is minded to tolerate false doctrine, they will also elect vice-presidents who share the same mindset, making the removal of the president virtually impossible. It would be like making the vice-president of our country the one with sole authority to impeach the president--"not gonna happen". There needs to be a separate, separately-elected authority in charge of such issues, whether it's the synod praesidium or the other district presidents or something.

I suppose the age-old question applies: "Who watches the watchmen?" The answer, in this case, seems to be "no one".

If the WELS continues to demonstrate that it is willing to tolerate false doctrine and practice, and that it is willing to tolerate leaders who tolerate false doctrine and practice, and there is no recourse for discipline and correction, at what point must Confessional Lutherans leave the WELS?

Mr. Adam Peeler
Daniel Gorman said...
In his 1/20/11 letter, Mr. Techlin writes,
"In May 2010, District President Engelbrecht sent out an undated letter responding to my November 1, 2009 letter and the March 5, 2010 meeting with me and the five concerned area pastors. On every page of his letter, District President Engelbrecht stamped in large red letters:
"CONFIDENTIAL." I will let most of this letter remain confidential, but not the aspects that touch doctrine. This is because the doctrine of a district president is not confidential. A district president's doctrine is not confidential when he communicates it to others. A district president's doctrine is not confidential when he doctrinally instructs laymen and other pastors. A district
president's doctrine is especially not confidential when his defense of false doctrine is used as justification for other pastors to continue shaping a public ministry around that false doctrine."

In his letter, Mr. Techlin gives many scripture references to justify disclosing portions of a confidential letter. However, none of his citations permit the secret sins of a DP (false doctrine) to be made public before the due process of Matt. 18.
Anonymous said...
Mr. Gorman,

I disagree with you.

As Mr. Techlin rightly points out, the doctrinal teaching of a pastor (and district president) is a public matter. Christ himself made the point that he taught openly and publicly, he didn't hide any of his teachings. Pastors should not be writing or teaching things privately that they aren't willing to teach or write publicly. In other words, pastors can't teach false doctrine, stamp "confidential" on it, and then rest secure because that false doctrine will never be exposed.

Now, if, for example, a pastor privately loses his temper and calls someone a dirty name, that would be a private sin which should remain private. But the teaching of doctrine does not fit into that category.

Furthermore, you cite "due process", but one of the most disturbing facets of this situation is that there seems to be no due process available to Mr. Techlin. How can you "tell it to the church" when the church refuses to listen to you?

Mr. Adam Peeler
David Jay Webber said...
If the WELS continues to demonstrate that it is willing to tolerate false doctrine and practice, and that it is willing to tolerate leaders who tolerate false doctrine and practice, and there is no recourse for discipline and correction, at what point must Confessional Lutherans leave the WELS?

Please note that the comments I offer below are not just pertaining to WELS, or to any other specific church body, but address general principles of admotion, church fellowship, and related matters, which can and should be applied whenever and wherever the situation may call for it.

I would say that when all procedural avenues for correction of error in a church body have been exhausted, and those who are erring still do not receive the correction, the next step would not necessarily be to leave the church body in question, but to enter into a public state of confession. This would be a declaration that an impasse has been reached, and that altar and pulpit fellowship will now not be practiced with the offending parties or with those who support them, but will continue to be practiced with those who join in the state of confession against the error. A public declaration of this nature would serve as a rallying point, requiring everyone else in the church body then to decide which side in the dispute they are going to take. At the end of that process, if repentance on the part of the false teachers is still not forthcoming, this "division of the house" would likely then result in a split - either through the expulsion of the false teachers, which would keep the church body orthodox; or through the expulsion of the confessors, which would mark the church body as recalcitrant in its heterodoxy.

But of course, such a step should not be taken until there is no other God-pleasing recourse left, and only when the confessors are indeed ready to be expelled, if that is what it comes to.
AP said...
Mr. Peeler makes a good point about the voters electing like-minded officers in that district. The voters of that convention are culpable in what is happening there. They need to hold their leaders accountable, and at the very least ask questions.

Moreover, the problems in that district are not limited to St. Peter or the Core. There are several other congregations in the Green Bay and Appleton areas that have gone down the same path (though perhaps not as blatantly) as St. Peter.

I'm just left amazed by reading Mr. Techlin's account. Honestly, how bad do things have to get before someone with power in this synod publicly says enough is enough?

Dr. Aaron Palmer
Daniel Gorman said...
Mr. Adam Peeler: "As Mr. Techlin rightly points out, the doctrinal teaching of a pastor (and district president) is a public matter. Christ himself made the point that he taught openly and publicly, he didn't hide any of his teachings. Pastors should not be writing or teaching things privately that they aren't willing to teach or write publicly. In other words, pastors can't teach false doctrine, stamp "confidential" on it, and then rest secure because that false doctrine will never be exposed."

If pastors do not repent, their "confidential" false teaching will be exposed under Matt. 18.

Mr. Adam Peeler: "Now, if, for example, a pastor privately loses his temper and calls someone a dirty name, that would be a private sin which should remain private. But the teaching of doctrine does not fit into that category."

The 8th Commandment recognizes only two categories of sin: private sin and public sin. If a pastor has only taught his false doctrine privately, he must be given an opportunity to privately recant before his false teaching is publicly exposed via Matt. 18.

Mr. Adam Peeler: "Furthermore, you cite "due process", but one of the most disturbing facets of this situation is that there seems to be no due process available to Mr. Techlin. How can you "tell it to the church" when the church refuses to listen to you?"

Yes, that is a problem. Bureaucratic obstructions and a veil of secrecy imposed by the DP have made it virtually impossible for Mr. Techlin to obtain due process.

The DP should never have stamped his teaching of public doctrine "confidential" (John 18:20). But two wrongs do not make a right. The 8th commandment makes no exception for privately taught false doctrine. Instead of improperly disclosing a confidential letter, Mr. Techlin should have rejected the letter and insisted that all discussions of public doctrine be made a matter of public record.
Anonymous said...
Mr. Gorman said: "If pastors do not repent, their 'confidential' false teaching will be exposed under Matt. 18."

Isn't that exactly what's going on here though? Mr. Techlin has made every effort to follow the steps of Matthew 18, going through the proper channels, with the result that he was ignored and dismissed. As I asked before, how can you tell it to the church when the church won't listen?

Mr. Techlin is simply using the last recourse available to him by publishing these matters and making them available to the church at large. In my opinion, by refusing to meet with Mr. Techlin and to hear his admonition, President Englebrecht has abdicated his right to keep this matter private. It is now a public matter to be heard and judged by the church at large.

In any case, questionable interpretations of Matthew 18 have been used far too often to silence dissenters in the WELS, almost like lawyers who try to get a valid case thrown out of court on a technicality. I don't want our side discussion on the interpretation of Matthew 18, Mr. Gorman, to distract the discussion of this very serious issue. If you want to argue that Mr. Techlin didn't follow the letter of the law, fine (though I'm convinced he did). He certainly followed the spirit of the law and certainly has been wronged and betrayed by his pastors and his church leaders. That's the real issue here.

Mr. Adam Peeler
Daniel Baker said...
Completely agreed, Mr. Peeler.

The assertion that Mr. Techlin failed to follow Matthew 18 is absurd. His private meetings with his pastor, church leaders, circuit pastor, and district president were all steps along the Matthew 18 lines. He followed all of their prescribed measures, including his restriction from secret "pastor only" meetings and forced attendance at interrogation sessions - he even endured the censoring of his blog!

The letter he initially sent abided by this narrow view of Matthew 18. That was more than a year ago. How long should Mr. Techlin endure the perpetual false doctrine of his so-called shepherds until he makes the matter public?
Pastor Boehringer said...
All too often the trump card of adiaphora and Christian freedom is used to defend all manner of sectarian doctrine and practice. Thank you, Rick, for daring to ask, "Why are we doing this?" and "Is this wise?"

God bless you, Rick!
Pastor Luke Boehringer
Anonymous said...
I've spent the past day reading Mr. Techlin's incredible account of what has transpired at his church over the past year or more. I applaud his efforts and thank him so much for pursuing this matter thru the proper channels. Alot of people would have already quit in frustration over the perceived arrogance of his pastor and district president as they continue to thumb their noses at Mr. Techlin's very real concerns that God's Word is not being taught in its truth and purity. I, too, am waiting for President Schroeder's involvement in this. It may never have been Mr. Techlin's intention to broadcast this matter publicly. However, now that it's out there and people are becoming aware of this situation, please keep us informed and updated as the saga unfolds. I am praying for Mr. Techlin and want him to know he has the support of many. In the same vein as Martin Luther's 95 theses started a reformation back in his day, may this be the spark that fires up the confessional Lutheran church in our own time.

Rhonda Martinez
Lund Family said...
I agree with my neighbor Luke Boehringer. When our own pastors and Synod officials no longer allow for questioning of practices and doctrine, than Christian freedom and adiaphora is being abused.

Perry Lund
Grace Evangelical Lutheran
Oskaloosa, Iowa
AP said...
The failure of leadership in this district reminds me of a poem Churchill once quoted in pondering other failures of leadership:

Who is in charge of the clattering train?
The axles creak and the couplings strain,
And the pace is hot, and the points are near,
And Sleep has deadened the driver’s ear;
And the signals flash through the night in vain,
For Death is in charge of the clattering train.
Anonymous said...
Any updates on this situation? Things have gotten suspiciously quiet around here.

Mr. Adam Peeler
Intrepid Lutherans said...
Mr. Peeler,

Yes, things are quiet on the outside, but I can assure you there is activity on the inside.

At this point in time, however, we are not able to share all of what is taking place behind the scenes.

Still, I believe it would not be out of line to say that the concerns, not only of the Intrepid Lutherans, but of a number of Pastors and laypeople in WELS are being heard and acted upon by the synod's leaders.

We hope to be able to share some of the results next week.

Please continue to pray for the WELS and her leaders, that all of God's truth will be upheld and proclaimed as it deserves to be.

Pastor Spencer