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Friday, February 13, 2015

Fifty Shades of UOJ - WELS Documented


http://welsdocument.blogspot.com/2015/02/fifty-shades-of-grey.html#comment-form




  • WELS Documented, you continue to promote the false gospel of Universal Objective Justification in your blog. This article being the most recent example when the author states, "consider being more worried about the way God will judge others for their thoughts on the subject, and then do everything in your power to help people see the mistakes they're making and the way Jesus loves them and forgives them anyway.)"

    His statement regarding the object of Christ's forgiveness includes the whole world of unbelievers - people. This is faithful to the WELS' teaching that Christ has forgiven the whole world of unbelievers who do not have the gracious gift of the Holy Spirit's faith, Christ's righteousness, in Christ alone.

    This is contrary to Christ's own Word in Mark 4:12 “That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.” It is through God's Means of Grace that He works Godly contrition over sin and faith in Christ alone. It is through the gracious gift of faith in Christ alone that individuals put on Christ's righteousness and are adopted as His children, are forgiven all sin and are saved eternally.

    Nothing good will come of your efforts as long as you continue to confess, promote and defend the false gospel of Universal Objective Justification in opposition to Scripture and the Christian Book of Concord.

    In Christ,
    Brett Meyer
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  • Brett Meyer, why don't you just stay on Ichabod where you belong? If you consider WELS to be preaching a false gospel (along with 99% of the Lutheran church), why do you waste your time befouling every WELS blog with your misguided and deceptive ranting? Jesus paid for the sins of all and earned God's forgiveness for all sinners. The benefits of the justification he earned come to the sinner by faith alone. You know very well that WELS nowhere teaches universalism.
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  • It's more Antinomial than the Universalism you keep driving at, Brett.

    The doctrine of Objective Justification rightly taught speaks of the debt against mankind forgiven in the death and resurrection of Christ. Even though the gift of Grace (His forgiveness) extends to all men, a man does not possess what he rejects. So to say as you do that unbelievers are forgiven subjectively in Objective Justification is false.

    What concerns me is the 'Evangelism by Guilt" that the WELS is peddling these days; that it is our fault if a sinner is lost because we don't communicate at just the right time in just the right way. God's Word is an offense to those who are not walking in the light and have no desire to; so we should expect a negative reaction most of the time. It's called bearing the cross.
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  • "What concerns me is the 'Evangelism by Guilt" that the WELS is peddling these days; that it is our fault if a sinner is lost because we don't communicate at just the right time in just the right way."

    Joe Krohn, that's a serious charge you're leveling. Where's your evidence? I've never witnessed this in a WELS church, nor have I seen it promoted at conferences or conventions, nor have I read about it in any journals or magazines or been taught it in any seminary summer quarter classes.
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  • Look around you, anonymous. What do think is fueling all the contemporary churches springin up in the WELS???
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    1. I think it is giving the wrong impression to imply that there are all kinds of contemporary churches springing up in WELS. I can think of only two or three that have been started recently. The other dozen or so have been around for tene years. Not exactly a growing trend, although with the attention that these congregations get on the web one might wrongly conclude that they are more numbeous than they are.
    2. Anonymous from 1:44 here. Sorry about the typos. "ten years," and "numerous" in case you were scurrying to look up numbeous in your online dictionary.
  • I will agree and disagree with Joe. I don't believe that WELS is peddling this evangelism by guilt. But what I believe is happening is that far, far too many WELS pastors are filling their head with Evangelical books, and that's where they're picking up this nonsense of evangelism by guilt. I had one well known WELS pastor tell me that his greatest fear is someone going to hell because he missed an opportunity to bring them the gospel. Evangelical drivel. You are what you read, and too many of us are reading too much American Evangelicalism.
  • --- From Brett Meyer
  • I commented on their shameless promotion of UOJ in their most recent posting - Fifty Shades of Grey.  Someone posted my initial comment but after a rousing response they haven't posted my second comment which was directed to Anonymous.  Here is the comment they haven't yet allowed:


    Anonymous at 11:07am, I don’t believe my confession of the Gospel of Christ to witness to and convert, by the grace and work of the Holy Spirit, individuals to Christianity and a faithful confession of God’s Truth is a waste of time. 

    You contend that WELS does not teach Universalism - that the whole world is saved.  That is only true if God's declaration that an individual is forgiven all sin no longer equals eternal salvation.  That God declaring an individual righteous in Christ no longer means his sins are forgiven, he’s been adopted as a child of God, he has faith in Christ alone and by that faith is forgiven all sins and saved eternally.  

    WELS’ public confession teaches contrary to Scripture here:
    IV. JUSTIFICATION BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH
    1. We believe that God has justified all sinners, that is, he has declared them righteous for the sake of Christ... All need forgiveness of sins before God, and Scripture proclaims that all have been justified,

    The truth is that Scripture teaches that God only justifies those who have faith in Christ alone. 
    Romans 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus”</b>

    The truth is that Scripture teaches that God does not forgive those who do not have the gracious gift of faith in Christ alone.  The unbelieving world is dead in sins, they are not forgiven, and the wrath and condemnation of God continues upon them.
    Matthew 6:15, “But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
    Mark 11:26, “But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.”
    John 3:18, “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”</b>

    In Christ,
    Brett Meyer

      1. I believe that neither Joe nor Brett are WELS members.
      2. Spare me your sanctimony. The WELS claims orthodoxy all the while practicing heterodoxy. I'm just calling out the hypocrisy of it all. Y'all should remove Lutheran from the synod name. At least some of the churches and schools have been honest in doing so already.
    1. Really. With that line of reasoning I suppose a woman can be pastor of an all woman congregation, right?
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  • GJ. Do any of these WELS louts entertain the notion that they are complely wrong, led by equally ignorant synod officials who denounce everyone while working with ELCA?