Another Girly Girly Photo from the WELS Students - Yes, They Brag about This

There is a long-standing tradition of male cheerleaders in sports,
but they did not try to act like girls.
At least the Martin Luther College (WELS) men are not groping each other
as part oftheir amusing routine.
They save that for Tiefel's seminary choir.

Because the Drunks Run WELS - That Is Why. WELS Documented Blog

What kind of future teachers and ministers create girly girly songs
and upload them to YouTube?

Answer - the same kind that demand the freshmen boys
simulate anal sex with this statue.
Perverted? Sadistic? Infantile?
Your future leaders, WELS.
Why wouldn't the administration be called to account for allowing this to continue? These are the questions that should be asked and discussed in blogs like this.

http://welsdocument.blogspot.com/2015/02/back-on-wednesday.html?showComment=1423284034935

(GJ - People who make anonymous accusations need to have their URLs out in the open, so they can find the thread. I am not kidding.)

1. 
   Ben WinkFebruary 5, 2015 at 11:01 PM

   Since some anonymous "brother" brought my name up at 10:39 AM, apparently in an attempt to dismiss some points I was making by calling me "bitter", I thought I'd indulge the absolute futility in replying. First off, I didn't even say anything on this blog, so I don't know why you're dragging me into this. Sure, I made a comment with several points over on Ichabod. But as no one reads Ichabod, surely my comment would not be passed over by anyone's eyes, right?
   
   I don't know where you gleaned bitterness from anything I wrote in that comment. I think you could probably catch some pity, some sadness, some regret over the failure of campus leadership, but those surely aren't reactions akin to bitterness. Just a viewpoint that should be as valid as yours. I suppose it is easier to place someone under a label in order to dismiss them than it is to actually listen to what they say. I actually agree with most of the points you made in your post, which I guess means you're bitter to a certain extent too?
   
   The drinking soirees that happen off the MLC campus such as pig roast or whatever COS came up with were a problem when I was there. If they have continued, they are still a problem. There is no defense for their existing in the first place other than tradition. While I was a student there, a protest of sorts did happen. And the administration's solution was...that the COS organizers couldn't put posters up for the COS events in the dorms. That's it. No outright ban or condemnation or dismissal of those sin encouraging events. And even then the posters were snuck into the inside doors of the toilet stalls so one couldn't even go to the bathroom in peace without being inundated with colorful drawings involving some badly arranged words that were puns on COS or SPAM or FRAT that I'm sure someone thought was clever but as they probably drank a lot, the humor discernment level was low.
   
   The faculty could have killed it but they didn't. The VP could have destroyed it but it didn't happen. Why?
   
   This isn't sensationalism, this is sad fact. During my 5 years on that campus, there were 5 years of COS parties and pig roasts. I'm sure that in the intervening almost 20 years, they have continued to exist in some form or other. Now, did every single student go to these events, become absolutely plastered, and have many evenings of sin-filled regrets? No, of course not. There are many fine called workers who were in my class. Many fine teachers and pastors emerged. Truly the Lord's kingdom has been enhanced by these souls behind the pulpit and in front of the classroom. After all, they attended that school for the right reasons: learn the languages, learn how to manage a classroom, learn how to teach a child how to read, stay focused on Christ and His Word. As I'll paraphrase from my other comment: you're not there to sow wild oats and develop cirrhosis, you're there to get a Christian ministerial education.
   
   However, why would a Christian ministerial college not eliminate something like COS? Something that has traditions based upon drunkenness and assorted sins that follow along with it? Why wouldn't the administration be called to account for allowing this to continue? These are the questions that should be asked and discussed in blogs like this.

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   2. 

      The sodomite rituals at Martin Luther College, WELS,
      and Wisconsin Luther College
      have no effect on its graduates.

      
      

      

      Church and Change does not exist in WELS
      and Mark Jeske is not in charge of it.
      To suggest otherwise is a slap in the face of Holy Mother WELS.

      
      
   3. GJ - I do not write for WELS Documented or comment there. I do not write for the WELS Discussions on Facebook, but look at those who do! Some are blatant false teachers, ignorant louts, and others in need of counseling.

   Everyone who disagrees with the errors of the Synodical Conference is bitter, jealous, mean-spirited, lazy, crazy, unloving, and in violation of the Eighth Commandment and Matthew 18.
2. But don't you wonder about a seminary where prospective students are groped by the seminarians? where this groping is a tradition in the seminary choir? where they have a tradition of nude pile-ons? where two men meet in the mattress room, get caught, but are ordained and married anyway?
3. 
   
   

Straw Bale Gardening and More

Putting up a frame violates my Maynard G. Krebs directive - no extra work.
Some like to work with tools and build such things.

Straw Bale Gardening

Straw Bale gardening meets my two criteria for outside projects. One - is it less work for the same results (as Maynard G. Krebs would ask)? Two - is it based on Creation principles or the German chemical industry?

Here are some additional links:

How to build a straw bale garden.

How to condition and plant a straw bale garden.

No dig - vegetable garden.

That should be enough information. Straw is composed of the stems of wheat, and it is probably weed free. Straw will decompose and feed the plants.

Simple steps:

• Buy some bales for about $6 each at a hardware or farm store.
• Put newspapers beneath them to suppress grass and other weeds that might grow into the bales. 
• Newspapers are great sponges for holding water, and they feed earthworms and soil creatures.
• Place the bales narrow side up, where the side has that soda straw look.
• Water the bales first, then wait two weeks for decomposition heat to fade away.

Benefits of straw bales:

1. They create a raised bed garden without a ton of building, lifting, and soil moving.
2. Bales let potatoes grow without being caked with clingy clay soil or any soil.
3. Straw keeps strawberries off the ground and away from hungry ants.
4. Plants can be grown free of inorganic fertilizer, using the straw as compost.

Any raised area for gardening (even a little hill) will need more water, but it will also be drained better. I use the finger test - is growing medium damp like a diaper? That is good. Roots will grow down, looking for water, and the leaves will give away their need for water. Soaker hoses are good for straw bales, but do not put the bales against wood, where the rotting of wood will be promoted.

Yesterday's Follies
Our helper came by to plant peas and other delights. I pointed out our fall project--hardy bulbs--was already paying off. The first daffodil plant stuck the tip of one leaf above the soil level. I expect giant aliums, tulips, and crown imperials.

We planted another large packet of edible pod pea seeds, in the mulch along the fence. below the aerial aqueduct. I watered them, to promote early growth and give the starlings a free shower. When I went inside, the starlings were having a riot, eating sunflower seed, snacking on suet, and bathing.

We joked about how sick of peas we would be at the end of the season, just in time for growing beans and getting sick of them. But I will also learn which neighbors really like fresh peas and beans.

We tried to string up the newest solar lights, which are easily put in a bush (small string) or horizontally along a fence (long string). I wanted to go up the dead tree, which did not go well. The string broke, but it can be rewired.

We began a new row in the corn patch, to grow some things before the corn is planted. I had beets, lettuce, and some other cool weather crops, so we tried that out.

Burpee said I could order, free shipping, any amount, so I decided order for more carrots. The server jammed and gave me an error message, so I started over. I ended up with two thank-you emails for two orders. The amount of seed cannot be disclosed here, but I will be sharing seeds with our helper, who is starting his own garden with his children and wife. OK, my new order amounted to 9,000 seeds. Paul said "sow in abundance, reap in abundance."

I plan on putting carrots along the margin of many other patches, such as long the fence, among the peas, and anywhere else.

When the last of winter is over, at the end of February, we will have spinach growing merrily and garlic bulbs getting ready to harvest. Lots and lots of garlic bulbs.

March is also when I will plant the new roses and prune the old ones. That will be great fun, because no other plant produces so much in such a short time. No one gets sick of roses, except professional gardeners. I heard one moan and complain about how much he hated them. He meant the scratches and pruning and bad stuff. Roses are not bushes full of thorns. They are thorn bushes that bloom with beautiful, fragrant flowers.

Synodical Discipline Never Stops - But What Is the Target?

The LCMS treated Herman Sasse like dirt more than 50 years ago.
Missouri was busy courting the future ELCA leaders.
WELS was training future Seminex leaders, like Richard Jungkuntz.
Graphic by Zach Engelman.

Sasse's quotation still describes the failure of ELCA, WELS, Missouri, the Little Sect on the Prairie, and the odious CLC (sic).  Since I did not write this, the people who whine so often should consider the wisdom of the quotation.

The naive think there is no discipline in those sects, but discipline is handed out 24/7. The sect leaders punish, rebuke, silence, and excommunicate those who lean toward the Confessions and Scriptures, but they reward, promote, protect, and praise their fellow-apostates.

• Item - count how many WELS blogs have shut down in the last few years, all the silencing the work of Mark Schroeder and his Church and Changer buddies.
• Item - figure out who was silenced and who was rewarded in the Darwin Schauer sex crime scandal, where I have 22 posts. The pastor who came from that parish was willing to abandon the victim to please and satisfy his boss, Synod President Matt Harrison.  So did the putative Steadfast editor Tim Rossow.
• Item - count all the efforts of WELS, Missouri, and the ELS to withdraw from joint activities with ELCA. Answer - none.
• Item - why are the so-called confessional blogs afraid to link this one, while the ones on other continents (and in even other denominations) are not afraid?
• Item - how is the big, splashy money spent? On a bar ministry? On emergent, anti-Lutheran congregations? Yes - the others can starve.
• Item - what pan-synod organizations are allowed to do anything they want, protect all  their clergy pals from discipline, and organize pan-synodical events? Answer - 1. Thrivent. 2. The Mark Jeske Mob.

Tis funny how this urban minister
must live in luxury, while sponging off
Thrivent, the LCMS, WELS, and the ELS.

February - And the Wait for Spring Begins

Mark 4 - By Zach Engelman

The last predicted snowfall never arrived in Springdale, Arkansas. Instead we had some 15 degree nights and warm, sunny days. We will reach 70 degrees tomorrow and Sunday. No snow has accumulated at any time this winter, but last winter was snow and ice. We did have plenty of rain, so we are not facing drought, as some areas are - like Denver.

Robins were here and plentiful the last week, and the ice cream truck made its rounds through our neighborhood at the same time.

Apart from planting more peas and carrots, I have to wait for spring. Our helper wondered about the flavor of peas - he does not like them from the grocery store. I explained - that is why people should grow their own. Peas - like corn - will turn their sweetness to starch, a process starting as soon as they are picked. Fresh carrots are great too, because thinning the plant yields tiny carrots that can be eaten. If the soil is not clingy, they can be eaten on the spot.

Carrots remain sweet when picked, but they lose that great crunchiness from being fresh.

Carrot scandal - baby carrots are not really baby carrots at all. Mike Yurosek figured out that carrot waste could be trimmed down to baby size and sold, so they created a market instead of throwing away tons of carrot waste.

Crepe Myrtle Watch
My crepe myrtle project for last year included:
1. Using the Lyle Lovett trim, with all the fuzz (leaves and flowers) on top. The woody stems below increase the variety and color of the plant.
2. Adding solar lights.
3. Surrounding the base with wood and leaf mulch.
4. Placing red wiggler earthworms at the base.

I built a fairly high teepee of mulch around the base, and kept renewing it with grass, leaves, and wood mulch during the autumn. The teepee has flattened into a circular blanket of organic matter, which is very good for the bush. Soil creatures love the moisture held in, the food on top, and the blanket protecting them from sun. For example, earthworms are not dug into the soil. They are placed on top and instantly burrow underneath - they cannot tolerate sunlight.

I would like to prune a little, but pruning wakes up the roots and leaf production. I would rather keep the roses and crepe myrtle dormant in February. Harsh weather will nip the fresh green growth but not affect the dormant stems.

The Maynard G. Krebs in me contends that the dormant plants are gaining more from this approach than from all the meddling done by anxious and ill-prepared gardeners. Once spring starts, I will use pruning to reduce the roses in size, get them budding again, and to wake up the crepe myrtle.

More Solar Lights
The trees and two sides of the fence have white solar lights. I added tiny lights to the fences, and those lights have many modes to extend the life of the battery. I had some flashing going on at first, but that made the yard look more like a used car lot. Now there is a slow fade in and out of the fence lights.

The last string to be used has colored lights. If all goes well, these will wrap around the dead trees, and the vines will grow around them.

Splashing and Feeding at the Jackson Bird Spa
The area between two trees (unwisely planted close together) is ideal for bird feeding and bathing. They have plenty of suet and some meal worms to eat, a file cabinet for seed, and four places to bathe and drink.

If I can find a shallow plastic pan or pool, I will use that to increase the water available. In case anyone wonders how popular this bird spa is - the pans are dry and befouled (befowled?) at the end of each day. In the sunlight the birds cavort, splash, drink, eat and entertain us.

We leave the bedroom window open to hear their happy burbling, with a feeder and even more suet inches away. Sometimes a starling will be flying in for some food and spot me watching, "Reverse thrusters. Abort! Abort!" And he flies away. They are quite content to eat with me inches away, and I enjoy hearing them from so close. This takes time, because birds are always suspicious at first.

Cardinals are the most wary, so I was pleased to have a male inches away. He thought over his options and left, but not before looking me over.

This Bella Vista squirrel dominated our feeder at times,
but we had Blue Jays nesting in the bush and
cardinals feeding all winter.

Hissy Fits, False Accusations, and Some Normal People Respond to WELS Documented

Anonymous complainers excuse themselves by blaming
a blog they claim no one reads, no one respects, no one follows.
They always have their nappies in a knot,
because they do not have any faith.

http://welsdocument.blogspot.com/2015/02/back-on-wednesday.html?showComment=1423182895131

1. AnonymousFebruary 4, 2015 at 4:21 PM

   Anyone else notice how comments and whole articles seem to disappear from this blog. Almost as if Joe Jewell and Lidtke are hiding something....

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   Dr. Joseph JewellFebruary 4, 2015 at 7:44 PM
   While I'm a regular reader, I am not the proprietor of this blog, nor have I ever contributed anything to it.
   
   When I write, I use my name. One of the reasons that I am outspoken is because I have that luxury as one who does not depend upon the synod for my family's continued earthly security. I wish more pastors and teachers were outspoken, too, but I recognize that they are much, MUCH more constrained--after all, an anonymous detractor might call out names and append vague-sounding accusations (hiding WHAT, exactly?), as Pastor Lidtke found out tonight. I expect that the authors of this blog are one or more called workers who are anonymous because they do not want targets on their backs. I am saddened that it is so, but I can't say that I blame them.
   
   I am one of four administrators at the "WELS Discussions" Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1649010391990081/), which I encourage all to visit and participate in, but we are not affiliated with this blog.
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   Pastor Paul LidtkeFebruary 4, 2015 at 4:41 PM

   So, a friend emails to tell me that I've been outed as an author of the WELS Documented blog. Wrong guess. My son is involved at WELS Discussions on Facebook, and I do comment on there on occasion, but I'm not hiding a thing. I've let Joe Jewell know that he's been outed as well. I'm sure he'll respond soon. What disappeared?

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3. 
   AnonymousFebruary 4, 2015 at 6:42 PM

   This blog should go the way of all the rest. Gone.

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   AnonymousFebruary 5, 2015 at 10:30 AM
   I disagree with your blanket statement. Some of the blogs may have been objectionable but others served a noble purpose. I for one mourn the passing of Intrepid Lutheran's as an active blog. It was insightful, well moderated and informative. A beacon of light and a call of reason to a synod that is deliberately steering a course from sound practice and inevitably from sound doctrine. It appears though that those steering the ship prefer the siren call of Evangelicalism to sound Lutheran practices.
   
   Eine arme Schaf
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4. 
   AnonymousFebruary 4, 2015 at 8:00 PM

   Well, I'm not going to say a blog should go away. Dialogue is good. But I do think that as soon as the blog descends into the same rut as the others, with exactly the same voices, it no longer adds value. Look at the WELS Discussions page. Good idea, some posts contain some good conversation. I enjoy much of it. But as soon as the same ultra-confessional, academically-minded moderators enter the conversation, there is no room for other voices. If you're going to moderate an online conversation that encourages multiple viewpoints and is mutually beneficial for all, you need to maintain neutrality and respect all participants. Earn trust, in other words. There isn't a forum online right now that has succeeded in this regard.
   
   Why am I anonymous? Because these forums haven't earned my trust. Ichabod is a big reason for this. His approach is not to edify, enrich, and build up. (i.e. It is not a Christian approach.) He is not trusted or respected, and he prevents forward progress.

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5. 
   AnonymousFebruary 4, 2015 at 8:10 PM

   Why was the subject of alcohol in the WELS colleges and prep schools considered so "dangerous" that the page disappeared? Can the WELS never admit that it has failings? I wonder how bad that poor woman who authored "Shattered Pulpits" was "beat up" before she called it quits? As far as pastors bearing burdens confidentially, unfortunately I have known some who, because the congregation is fairly small, and they give examples of sins without naming names, it is still extraordinarily simple to identify the person they are referring to. And often the 8th commandment applies to everyone but them...

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6. 
   AnonymousFebruary 4, 2015 at 8:31 PM

   I was the one who shared the comments about it being a sensational blog title. The comment at 8:00pm on this thread was also me. Let's make this easier. I will always sign my posts with "Your brother".
   
   The topic is important. If there are those who believe there is an institutional problem, let's talk about it. But the blog title and the picture of a guy pounding a beer were highly sensational. That approach prevents dialogue. We were actually making strides to bring the conversation around to beneficial dialogue, but then it was removed. Perhaps it was because the post was not written in the Spirit of Christian love, and the author knew it. I do not know.
   
   For what it's worth, I do not believe there is a cultural problem with drinking at MLC. I do think the COS parties and Northwestern holdover traditions are unhealthy and rarely encourage Christian behavior. If the conversation is to abolish those, great. Let's have that conversation.
   
   Your brother
   

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      WELS DocumentedFebruary 5, 2015 at 9:24 AM

      Thanks for you feedback Anonymous 8:31, we took the post down, because we didn't want to even give the appearance that we were after sensationalism. The original intention of the post was, as you stated in your last paragraph, to discuss groups like COS but I didn't want to specifically target them in the title because that seemed wrong also so I was trying to go generic.
      
      You said, "Let's have that conversation". Do you have any ideas/suggestions on a better way of bringing up topics like that for real discussion without coming across as sensationalism? Was it mainly the title and graphic that gave that appearance?
      -WD1

   

   Boycott the Emmaus Conference
   

Suspended Blogs Are Like Abandoned Houses - I Always Wonder, "Who lived there and why did they leave?"

Norma Boeckler's illustration comes from the key Gospel passage
of the Old Testament - Isaiah 53, almost completely reproduced in the New Testament.

I gathered the suspended blogs in one area on the left and added Bad Vestments, a non-Lutheran yet revealing blog about worship insanity and inanity.

Whenever I walk past an abandoned house, I wonder about who built it and who lived there. Why did they leave? Plenty of them can be found in the quaint town of Jerome, Arizona, built on top of a mountain of copper, funding a fortune that built Las Vegas as a train depot and financed an entire quartet of Stradivarius strings. Read Empty Mansions for details.

Denominations are like those empty mansions ordinary houses. We live in an age where the tradition of liturgical worship and historic texts has been abandoned. The evidence remains here and there. People are turning old churches into theaters and homes. Emergent church morons are ripping out pipe organs and installing pit bands.

Here and there, the neo-gothic spires continue reaching to the sky.

Instead of leaders, we have tele-tubbies using baby-talk
to part us from our doctrine, our worship, our Means of Grace, and our money.

WELS Pastor Steve Spencer Answers the Knee-Jerk Hysterical Response To the Truth about the Sect. WELS Documented Blog and the Erased Post

His Holiness, Pope Otten, told Team Ichabod
that WELS was exceptionally thin-skinned.

Thursday, February 5, 2015

Avoiding Blog Sensationalism

Blog Sensationalism

As many of you know, we removed our last post because several found it to be crossing the line into sensationalism. We do not want to give that impression in any way, so we removed it.

That being said, we are now looking for feedback on how to share not only the positive that is happening in the Synod, but also allowing discussion of important issues and "hot topics" without crossing the line into sensationalism.

One of our readers has been making some great points with his comments, that can be seen below, on how to accomplish this, but we would like to hear from others also with suggestions.

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From the comments: 

Anonymous February 4, 2015 at 8:31 PM

I was the one who shared the comments about it being a sensational blog title. The comment at 8:00pm on this thread was also me. Let's make this easier. I will always sign my posts with "Your brother".

The topic is important. If there are those who believe there is an institutional problem, let's talk about it. But the blog title and the picture of a guy pounding a beer were highly sensational. That approach prevents dialogue. We were actually making strides to bring the conversation around to beneficial dialogue, but then it was removed. Perhaps it was because the post was not written in the Spirit of Christian love, and the author knew it. I do not know.

For what it's worth, I do not believe there is a cultural problem with drinking at MLC. I do think the COS parties and Northwestern holdover traditions are unhealthy and rarely encourage Christian behavior. If the conversation is to abolish those, great. Let's have that conversation.

Your brother

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WELS Documented February 5, 2015 at 9:24 AM

Thanks for you feedback Anonymous 8:31, we took the post down, because we didn't want to even give the appearance that we were after sensationalism. The original intention of the post was, as you stated in your last paragraph, to discuss groups like COS but I didn't want to specifically target them in the title because that seemed wrong also so I was trying to go generic.

You said, "Let's have that conversation". Do you have any ideas/suggestions on a better way of bringing up topics like that for real discussion without coming across as sensationalism? Was it mainly the title and graphic that gave that appearance?
-WD1

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Anonymous February 5, 2015 at 10:39 AM

I guess the main reason it seemed like sensationalism to me is that the numbers you shared already answered your question: no, according to these statistics, drinking is not a "growing problem" at these institutions. But people hear what they want to hear. Guys like Ben Wink and Greg Jackson are eternally bitter (for who knows what reason, but they are deeply personal). But the more important people are those who don't have inside knowledge or preconceived notions. How does an article like that help them? How does it benefit the institutions that have provided us countless, faithful called workers?

However, I do think there are certain problems that need to be addressed. Maybe this forum is a good place to ask, is there anyone out there who has experienced COS, grassers, whatever, and now in hindsight sees any redeeming quality? If you're under 25, you're too close to the situation. I mean those who have matured through a service to people and now can look at the situation with a degree of separation. My experience was that they were drinking events, period. The dancing that accompanies it is heavily influenced by the drinking, which leads people to behavior that would bring shame to them in the light. In my experience, the majority of the drinking was done by those who were of legal drinking age, but it was done in excess. (And even if not in excess, the act of drinking was glorified through the event.) So can we raise enough of a public concern to have MLC administration notice? Might someone bring our collective thought (if there is consensus) to the MLC leaders in person? That could be a positive outcome of this forum.

But don't let me be the only voice here. Some may feel there is an institutional problem. Some may feel that the cultural norm is drinking, and that it is a routine practice on and off campus. But that is not the campus I experienced. There were certainly people who would fall into this category, but they were marginalized. The campus "culture" was much healthier than the behavior of the deviants. Of course we can share stories of those who erred. But most are repentant, and by grace they are forgiven. 

Thank you for your willingness to engage in this conversation. I appreciate your openness and your desire to be a light in this world.

Your brother

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WELS Documented February 5, 2015 at 11:25 AM

Wow Anonymous 10:39 those are some excellent points! I really appreciate your insight on how to improve the way things are presented in blogs. I will definitely be putting more thought into things like choosing titles, etc. I also like your method of how to present a topic initially.

Do you think there are also specific "topics" that blogs like this should refrain from because there can be "no good" that come of it? Part of what I was trying to do with some of the posts was to help separate fact from Internet rumor and I think your points above will help do that better. Maybe I need to use your method and just ask, "Is this fact or rumor" and let people weigh in? Would that help avoid the sensationalism, but yet still have a meaningful discussion? Thanks again.
-WD1

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 Anonymous February 5, 2015 at 11:45 AM

I'll only share a brief thought, since I think it's important for others to weigh in. Sure, there are topics that I wouldn't touch, out of respect for the individuals affected. But I also think that some of the "hot-button" topics can be productive conversations if moderated effectively. Tone matters, thorough research matters, respect for brothers and sisters matters.

An example: your post about a sermon clearinghouse was a great topic. A few more details were added in the comments to show that, in fact, each of these pastors are writing their own sermons but they are doing sermon study together and sharing promotional materials. This practice is also common in many more "conservative" circles, but probably without the public marketing component. But then WELS Discussions splashed it out there without the added details and allowed the conversation to proceed as though none of these pastors were writing their own sermons. "How dare they! I would never allow this. Rah, rah, rah." Do you see the difference in approach? Same topic, two approaches. One mutually edifying, one not. 

I'll take a break. :) God bless.

Your brother

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From a different person:

Anonymous February 5, 2015 at 1:54 PM

A slightly different take on the 11:45 AM comment by Your Brother. On some of the more controversial topics - perhaps a moderated debate between Pastor's willing to discuss an issue in depth and respond scripturally to points raised. On those issues disallow comments from the general public. Just a thought.

Eine arme Schaf

Once Again - Tradition Is the Jumping Off Point

Michigan Lutheran Seminary, WELS,
has supplanted tradition with radicalism.

"Tradition is the democracy of the dead." When past saints are denied the vote, a tiny minority takes over in the name of improving the Church.

We can tell when a denomination is dead or dying when tradition no longer matters. Church and Change means, "We despise Christian tradition and adore our own opinions."

Change or Die means - "Traditional Christian faith and worship will kill our beloved pan-Lutheran identity."

Missouri began dying, without knowing it, by embracing a counter-Christian dogma: Universal Objective Justification. The bishop's spread of syphilis, his young female groupies with the clap - those were just were the obvious signs of something gone wrong. For CFW Walther, tradition was his Bishop Stephan - anything else was anathema sit!. As 29A said, "The got rid of a bishop and ended up with a pope, CFW Walther."

The Christian Church has traditionally taught justification by faith, which began with Abraham in the Old Testament, Genesis 15, and continued (sometimes undercover) ever since.

When we find church leaders who scoff at tradition and treat tradition as the enemy, then that group has become apostate.

The death spiral is marked by church leaders punishing and expelling traditional clergy.

Are they offended by young men doing girly-girl videos or by those who question this aberration?

Do they argue that only one person objects, that he is the cause of all their conflicts? 'Tis funny how many people they count as the "only person who feels that way."

Going to Miss Miss Schori - The Episcopalian Presiding Bishop Who Consecrated Her Drunken Sister Bishop

Katie? My best recruiter.

WELS is only a few conferences away from women District Presidents.

Nothing rocks shades like a purple cassock and ID lanyard.

"But I have the heart of a king and the stomach of a king."
Queen Elizabeth the First she is not.

Funny Drunk Stories

Ski and Glende promoted The CORE as a coffee house ministry,
but they turned it into a bar ministry. 

I am not against social drinking, but I question the necessity of lubricating ecclesiastical meetings with cash bars, as WELS and Roman Catholic clergy do. Both are notorious for their alcoholic clergy.

I met with a Holy Cross priest at Notre Dame, part of my requirements for one course. His nose glowed red all the time. Over-indulgence causes gin blossoms or ruptured blood vessels.

Notre Dame theology conferences always began with a cash bar, just like the WELS worship conferences. One theologian showed up drunk and gave his talk, which might have been a comedy sketch on TV, it was so bad.

At one WELS district meeting, the nurse-missionary was obviously intoxicated when she was speaking to everyone.

I waited on alcoholics when I worked at my father's bakery. Sometimes they thought they were quite eloquent. They might not have thought so if they listened to tapes of themselves. They were nasty drunks. WELS pastors, protecting Holy Mother Sect, sound like nasty drunks - full of themselves, irrational, hyper-irritated know-it-alls.

If you want to hear another version of WELS talking points, endlessly repeated, then listen to drunks talk. WELS clergy say, "If you can find a perfect synod, join it, and then it will not be perfect, because you just joined it, and you are imperfect." (That excuses all false doctrine and every form of abuse.) Drunks say, "Let go and let God." And - "I'm sick and I'm tired. And I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired." That must be clever, too, the first 100 times.

At one convention, an LCA pastor got so drunk afterwards, when we all went out together, that a younger woman offered to drive him back. He could hardly walk, so he must have been many drinks ahead of us when he arrived.

At another event, an LCA pastor was so desperate to keep drinking that he offered to buy drinks for anyone who stayed with him. Everyone left him, and he was fairly young, already deep into his addiction.

One WELS pastor was so addicted that he gathered all the apples from a member's apple orchard, the leftovers, so he could brew apple jack for himself.

I know a WELS member who was in charge of dragging the pastor out of bars. I guess that was a bar ministry.

One WELS pastor drove his car up a utility pole in a DUI. He became a WELS missionary.

One WELS DP was arrested on a DUI, so the synod moved him to another district, so everyone could forget it happened.

Does anyone think an alcoholic father is a good example to his children, wife and congregation? But WELS and the other sectarians will not admit to their addictions.

WELS really needs more bar ministries, so drunken clergy can drink while pretending to take the Gospel to their fellow drunks. And the WELS Gospel is so appropriate for that ministry - Every sin---past, present, and future--is already forgiven. UOJ.

WELS bought this bankrupt bar for Ski and Glende,
then loaned the congregation enough money to
clean up the vomit smells and make a fakey church out of it.