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ICHABOD, THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED - explores the Age of Apostasy, predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, to attack Objective Faithless Justification, Church Growth Clowns, and their ringmasters. The antidote to these poisons is trusting the efficacious Word in the Means of Grace. John 16:8. Isaiah 55:8ff. Romans 10. Most readers are WELS, LCMS, ELS, or ELCA. This blog also covers the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Left-wing, National Council of Churches denominations.
Tuesday, December 15, 2009
Mark and Avoid Jeske Admires
Mark and Avoid Driscoll of Mars Hill
Driscoll, the Dark Lord of Seattle
Loved by Jeske, Ski, Bishop Katie, and Glende
Pastor Jeske's Blog
6/8/2009 - Cussing
Perhaps you’ve heard of Pastor Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill church in Seattle. A prolific author and speaker, he has a considerable national reputation. Some of his detractors, including equally famous Southern California pastor John McArthur, recently ignited some hoo-ha when they criticized his occasionally salty pulpit language as inappropriate “cussing.” McArthur even called for Driscoll to step down as Mars Hill pastor.
Apparently Driscoll has been heard to say “Damn” not in its Biblical sense but in the more common usage merely as an emphasis word. Some of what he is being criticized for is not cursing per se (i.e. calling on God to condemn something to hell) but vulgarity (“hell”, “I’m screwed”, “that sucks”). Even the notoriously hip Pastor Ed Young, Jr., piled on. I can resonate with Driscoll’s dilemma. I have been strongly criticized several times for saying “Dang” in a message.
On the one hand, you have Bible passages like Ephesians 4:29 that urge Christians not to let “any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths,” or Ephesians 5:4, “Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or coarse joking.” On the other hand, Driscoll’s defenders point out that he is not actually cursing, but merely using language the way his target audience uses it. The huge growth of Mars Hill is seen as proof that he is connecting with young people in metro Seattle.
Well, what’s a pastor to do? Do you have any advice for me?
As a comment to Jeske's post below:
6/9/2009 - Posted by TF
I think light cussing maybe is alright to use in context to reach younger church goers, but it is a slippery slope. You may offend more than you attract. I am 43, and it would hard for me to hear a pastor cuss. I am from a traditional WELS background. Keep up the goodwork Pastor Mark. I wish I could find someone more like you in a local church.
I think light cussing maybe is alright to use in context to reach younger church goers, but it is a slippery slope. You may offend more than you attract. I am 43, and it would hard for me to hear a pastor cuss. I am from a traditional WELS background. Keep up the goodwork Pastor Mark. I wish I could find someone more like you in a local church.
What would we do without traditional WELSians
Why were Glende, Ski, and Katie in Seattle for seafood?
Driscoll? Did they tell their congregations the truth?
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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Mark and Avoid Jeske Admires Mark and Avoid Drisco...":
WELS/LCMS Pastor Mark Jeske states, "On the one hand, you have Bible passages...On the other hand, ...The huge growth of Mars Hill is seen as proof that he is connecting with young people...Well, what’s a pastor to do? Do you have any advice for me?"
What's wrong with this world that WELS/LCMS Pastors such as Mark Jeske are made to chose between God's Word and huge growth.
WWSD? Yeah, he already did.
Jeske should be taken to the edge of town and pelted with .... Contemporary dog poo. (little nod to DK)
Everyone Is Buzzing - Meet the LCMS-WELS-ELS Shrinkers at Radicalis
Did the MLC boys learn from this photo?
These idiot poses never go away. Ask Rick Warren, DMin (Fuller) By the way, Warren is a Baptist, though he hides it, the way Andy Stanley does. Both leaders are bit deals for the Shrinkers in WELS and the LCMS.
Radicalis - 2009
Rick Warren is having a confab of confabs at his Saddleback Church. Mrs. Ichabod stopped at Saddleback and went in to listen to him speak to addicts.
Church and Changers will be there, fur shure. Look at the speaker list:
Speakers
Tom Holladay
Teaching Pastor,
Saddleback Church
Absolute Surrender, Sacrificial Lifestyle, Authentic Christianity...
A Radical Experience
Rick Warren and his team invite you and your team to attend Radicalis, February 9-12, 2010
Radicalis is really ten conferences in one that makes it possible to bring your entire church team for individual learning experiences.Radicalis is a unique hands-on, comprehensive experience that will enhance each member of your team’s role in your church and build and inspire them to serve God in your community and the world. Rick Warren, the Saddleback Team and leading national pastors will challenge, develop, and expand your vision to be a moving force for God in today’s world.
They’ll help you understand the paradigm, learn the process and build relationships for expanding your ministry. They’ll enlarge your understanding of what “church” and “ministry” mean to enable you to affect positive, purposeful change for God. Imagine what would happen in your community, in your church and in our world if your church team collectively shared an experience guided by the Spirit of God in which we saw His calling and His will for your ministry.
Check out the TEN Individual Learning Experiences that will be at Saddleback's Radicalis February 2010:
- Purpose Driven Church & The
P E A C E Plan - Preaching for Life Change
- Purpose Driven Youth Ministries
- Purpose Driven Children’s Ministries
- Purpose Driven Small Groups
- Worship
- Leading Through Change
- Developing Emotionally Healthy Leadership
- HIV/AIDS/Orphan Care
- Celebrate Recovery
Special Featured Conference
- Life as a Pastor's Wife
Ichabod Is Being Followed
Your blog is being followed as a header on this site. Four clicks down posted on the left side highlighted as blue button.
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GJ - I am surprised, since so many blogs reflect upon, copy, or oppose what is posted here. But they do not link or list. I find someone echoing my post and not giving credit a supreme compliment, so I do not mind at all. Several who were rather touchy about me at first are now good friends - but I forget their names.
I am going to link them in return, because they gather up a lot of news from Lutherdom.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Ichabod Is Being Followed":
Wow. What a mishmash of stuff on that website. Leaves a pretty bad taste in one's mouth.
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GJ - Some call those sites "conglomerators." They use software to pick up the latest posts and save the rest of us a lot of time.
I was doing a search on "Paul Kelm" and found the website listed all his information as coming from Ichabod! Readers will notice the same effect when they look for various photos on Google Images. The early bird gets the worm, as Darwin would say.
ELCA Dissenters Waking Up To Reality
Come home to Rome - Purgatory awaits.
This is creepy. A regular email friend sent me this link, which involves an LCA church I used to pass when I walked to high school in Moline:
The website also mentions Trinity, which is the sister church of Salem, where I was confirmed. I heard a missionary at Salem who was part of J. W. Montgomery's book on Lutheran decline. Mrs. Ichabod and I were discussing Trinity today, because a NYC lawyer (once a member there) just sent a Season's Greetings card.
Not surprising to me is the way in which the ELCA is behaving toward dissenters.
I also wonder where all these dissenters were in 1987, when ELCA was formed with the worst possible combination of apostate theologians and leaders, except they got worse with the help of the quota system.
Why Confessional Lutherans Are Giving Up on the Enthusiastic Synodical Conference
Not my PhotoShop - from Mollie Hemmingway, LCMS
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Awww - Ain't That Sweet!":
Attention: to person from St. Marcus
Wow, I'm impressed, could the name withheld be Herr DrEck?
When the Pharisee card gets played, am I supposed to go through someone's idea of an emotional hoop? Sorry whoever your name is, you sold out and got called on it.
Just like the now expired 'Race card', that argument doesn't work anymore.
Just for integrity sake with your new religion why did you not have the decency to remove yourself? Us faithful would like to keep our church pure and keep the heterodox ecumenical schlock outside.
You should have moved on and started your own religion instead of piggy backing on Lutherans and pushing this stuff on us by stealth. The laity never asked for this, it came from the top down.
Lots of folks running around calling themselves Lutheran, the denominational name on the door doesn't mean much anymore and that goes for pastors, too.
Spare me the martyr stuff, I'm not buying, I read the Purpose Driven playbook, too.
I'm not giving an inch on doctrine, that doctrine stuff keeps my salvation helmet chin strap on real tight so when I encounter church growth baloney I can deal with it.
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cw from Chicago
LCMS in exile
Attention: to person from St. Marcus
Wow, I'm impressed, could the name withheld be Herr DrEck?
When the Pharisee card gets played, am I supposed to go through someone's idea of an emotional hoop? Sorry whoever your name is, you sold out and got called on it.
Just like the now expired 'Race card', that argument doesn't work anymore.
Just for integrity sake with your new religion why did you not have the decency to remove yourself? Us faithful would like to keep our church pure and keep the heterodox ecumenical schlock outside.
You should have moved on and started your own religion instead of piggy backing on Lutherans and pushing this stuff on us by stealth. The laity never asked for this, it came from the top down.
Lots of folks running around calling themselves Lutheran, the denominational name on the door doesn't mean much anymore and that goes for pastors, too.
Spare me the martyr stuff, I'm not buying, I read the Purpose Driven playbook, too.
I'm not giving an inch on doctrine, that doctrine stuff keeps my salvation helmet chin strap on real tight so when I encounter church growth baloney I can deal with it.
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cw from Chicago
LCMS in exile
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GJ - I do not know who this person is, but the comments should resonate with anyone who has encountered the Shrinkers.
Uncle Sam Wants You
Awww - Ain't That Sweet!
Greg:
I recently sent you an email suggesting that I was going to “take your website down.” I realize now that I allowed my emotions to get the best of me. My mission isn’t to change your mind about the way I and others decide to do ministry. No one’s going to be converted to Christ by defeating you. So I apologize for my lack of focus and continue to pray for God’s grace to reign in your heart as you approach others.
I recently read this in a book I’m currently re-reading called, “Killing Cockroaches.” I think it summarizes things pretty well.
“…Frankly, it’s our hope that lots of people love what we do. But we also hope that a few people HATE what we do. If we don’t experience those extreme reactions, we’re probably not fulfilling God’s mission for the church. Don’t forget, God despises “lukewarm.” We are a church for those who are unchurched or have given up on church. If we are fully aligned with God’s mission for our ministry, we are going to offend people who love the institution or their version of “the truth” more than they love the people the Truth was intended to reach. So love us or hate us, we love you.”
“Killing Cockroaches”
Tony Morgan
Page 118
Merry Christmas, Greg.
Mark
"If we are to achieve results never before accomplished, we must expect to employ methods never before attempted." Sir Francis Bacon
Pastor Mark Walters
Phone: 613-824-2524
Fax: 613-824-2905
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And from St. Marcus
Dear Mr. Jackson,
I happened upon your 12/12/08 blog entry entitled "Ichabod, The Glory Has Departed" and I do not think that it would be an exaggeration on my part to say that it wounded my heart to read it. Prior to seeing it I was as one living in a dream where there was a oneness in the Body of Christ on this earth that exemplified the oneness that Jesus shares with His Father, this oneness being the answer to Jesus’ prayer in John 17 (verses 11, 21, 22 & 23) that causes the unsaved world who observes it to come to the place of believing that the Father did in fact send His Son, Jesus … but this was before I rubbed elbows with you. As if being abruptly awakened from that dream I am once again reminded that there are still Pharisees out there, each sincerely believing that he or she is upholding the faith by defending his or her own particular brand of Christian turf, and I of all people should not be surprised by this because it wasn’t too long ago that I myself was a Pharisee, though at the time I would’ve strongly opposed anyone who had half their scriptural wits about them had they even tried to suggest that such was the case! And you can trust me when I say that it took an act of God’s divine mercy to knock me off of that high horse and to then direct my path to St. Marcus where I am now a member who is more than grateful to be there growing in His grace and prospering in His will for my life as I am being taught His Word … something which even if my life had depended upon it just a few short years ago I would’ve never believed could happen because of my unbending pharisaical mindset. What is it that bolsters Pharisees like I once was to pride themselves in defending their small lifeless congregations while at the same time feeling the need to lash out at and label larger congregations as being Ichabods for thriving? Could it be that these attacks issue forth from a place of unacknowledged (if even realized) fear because of not being as sure as they profess themselves to be that their numbers are small solely because they are God’s chosen "remnant", or because of whatever other supposed scriptural reason that they can come up with?
Please know that I will be praying for you and because I have walked in your shoes I am comforted to think that perhaps my prayers on your behalf will prevail where someone else's who hasn't might otherwise fail.
May the Lord’s Name be glorified in this instance, and always!
[Signed but I omitted the signature]
WELS Fond du Loot Pastor Donates 10 Grand to Himself - Church and Change Connections Galore: Ripped from the Pages of the Fond du Lac Reporter
Zak graduated from the Sausage Factory, 1982, with such Shrinker luminaries as:
James Mattek, Peter Pan-denominational, Paul Jahnke,
Bruce Becker,
Mark Freier, Mike Albrecht, and Jeff Gunn.
FdL minister accused of stealing from his church
The longtime pastor of a Fond du Lac church is accused of stealing as much as $10,000 from church offerings collected during the holidays, a police official says.
The Rev. Stuart Zak, 55, resigned from Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, 855 Martin Ave., Nov. 30 after he confessed to stealing money over a period of 10 years, according to a press release issued by church pastor, the Rev. Brett Naumann.
“The Fond du Lac Police Department was alerted by staff at Good Shepherd after they discovered missing cash — a discrepancy — in offerings made during holiday seasons,” said Major Kevin Lemke.
An internal investigation revealed the church was missing between $5,000 and $10,000, said Lemke.
“The suspect has spoken with police and has admitted to stealing the money from the offerings,” Lemke said. “We believe the investigation will be wrapped up by the end of the week.”
Zak told The Reporter he would not comment on the alleged theft.
In the release, Naumann said Zak would no longer be allowed to serve as pastor in any Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod program. Good Shepherd is one of three WELS churches in Fond du Lac. It has a congregation of 450.
Naumann declined to comment when asked why Zak stole the money.
“Even as we grieve over this turn of events, we thank Mr. Zak for the many blessings that the Lord has brought to Good Shepherd through his work,” Naumann said. “The Lord has brought about amazing growth both spiritually and physically through the work that was accomplished through Mr. Zak during his years of service as a pastor.”
Zak became pastor at Good Shepherd Lutheran Church in 1993. He served on the Board for Wisconsin Lutheran Child and Family Service, the District Board for Parish Education as coordinator of early childhood education, a consultant for Parish Assistance and Northern Wisconsin District chairman of Evangelism, according to his past profile on the Good Shepherd Web site.
Lemke, a 28-year veteran of the Police Department, said he couldn’t recall a case of a “person of the cloth” stealing money from a church.
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| Small town evangelism | Stuart A. Zak | May 1988 |
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For more information and registration go to www.wels.net/evangelism and click on Welcoming Worship Seminar, or contact the district evangelism coordinator the Rev. Stuart Zak (920-921-8500 or email).
That means Zak arranged for Ski to do evangelism presentations for the district, two years in a row.
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GJ - One WELS pastor has suggested having all accounts audited wherever Zak was involved.
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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "WELS Fond du Loot Pastor Donates 10 Grand to Himse...":
There is something subliminally creepy about stealing from a congregation's offering, no matter who does it. The recommendation for an audit in other areas outside of the congregation could be very telling. My guess is that skimming the pocket change from offerings could be small potatoes in comparison.
There is one missing detail in the story. I cannot determine how the pastor even had access to the offerings. This is especially true in this age of night depository boxes at banks. The counting and recording of the offerings is always done by laity such as a finance committee, trustees, financial secretary or a combination of them. This was true 40 years ago when my father was involved with it.
At my previous congregation, after the offerings were counted and recorded, they went into the bank bag with the deposit slip and dropped into the night depository on the way home.
There appears to be a defect in the manner in which this was done at Zak's former parish. The offerings sit in the plates on the altar until after the service. There is usually more than one member who counts it. The treasurer or bookkeeper will have some notice from the bank as to the exact amount of the deposit. All of this is designed to minimize the contact that a pastor would have with the offerings. There are several checks and balances. Please pardon the unintentional pun.
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GJ - Some bad ideas are:
1. Having only one person count the offering.
2. Leaving the offering at the church, even in a safe.
3. Letting the treasurer count the offering.
4. Giving the same person permission to write checks and count the offering.
5. Assuming everything is fine and never having an annual audit. Federal Reserve - take note.
I was skeptical about the money spent on financial controls at the Love Shack when SP Schroeder took office. That was needed, as insiders know, and the results have been good.
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PJL has left a new comment on your post "WELS Fond du Loot Pastor Donates 10 Grand to Himse...":
For much of this year I've been a daily reader of "Ichabod." (By the way, I found it when I did a google search of "WELS.") Though many in our synod may not appreciate this blog, I must admit that it does provide more realistic news of what's happening in the WELS than we'd ever get through the official channels. And it's true, going through the official channels simply means that your question or concern is usually "forgotten." Either that, or you're passed from one ecclesiatical official to the other with no one really willing to step up and say what needs to be said.
Since this is true, I can imagine that Pastor Jackson easily became frustrated during his days in the WELS trying to get his DP and others to listen to him. That may explain his biting sarcasm on this blog. If he were simply expressing concerns in a nice way, no one would probably listen!
That said, I'd like to caution all of us from thinking everything that happens to someone in the WELS is because of CGM and Church and Change. Neither is everyone who sins a shrinker.
I'm a WELS pastor in the area around Lake Winnebago. Stu Zak has been part of our pastoral conference. I don't know him real well, but I don't believe we need to connect his personal sins to the shrinkers.
There are many who are hurt by Pastor Zak's actions. Most unfortunately, the gospel and the credibility of gospel ministry in and around FDL is taking a hit from his actions. Just take a look through the ignorant comments to the article at the FDL Reporter website to find that out.
So, while I, too, smell the stench of CGM and secrecy coming from parts of Appleton, I'm not so sure I can smell it in Fond du Lac.
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PJL has left a new comment on your post "WELS Fond du Loot Pastor Donates 10 Grand to Himse...":
Oh no, I've been found out! Actually, I knew that someone would find me if I gave even a hint of where I was from.
One of the things I admire about Pastor Jackson, Michael Shottey and others on this blog is that they're willing to step out and be counted. They sign their names.
If you want to know ...
1) We print out the service because many of our elderly members find it easier to hold a bulletin than a hymnal. So, I listen to the people I serve.
2) Yes, I make use of a screen and PowerPoint. I had stopped doing this for about nine months, but again, many of our members, even some seniors, told me how much it helped them. They said that they're visual learners. So, again, I listen to the people I serve.
3) I didn't know that the NIV was tacky. It's the version of Scripture I've been using since I was ten years old!
Make me to be what you want me to be. Since you found me, feel free to e-mail or call so I can know more about you.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS Fond du Loot Pastor Donates 10 Grand to Himse...":
>>>But watch out!!
No use of the hymnal (merely printed for "ease of use", no doubt. More like ashamed of ancient text if you ask me)<<<
Did you bother to notice that the church in question is using the Common Service from Christian Worship? It's not the Lutheran Hymnal, but this service is rooted in the Western Rite that dates back to at least the third century A.D.
It does not help the cause to lambaste pastors who are actually upholding liturgical worship, especially in such a superficial manner.
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GJ - The pastor is not a Shrinker, based on several marks (notae). He has a statement of faith which emphasizes the Means of Grace. I find his wording a bit awkward overall, but it does seem to be his own rather than something borrowed from the Evangelical Covenant Church. Kelming another confession is something I noticed at Gunn's sect and some other quasi-WELS parishes. Also, this pastor gave away his identity, which is very un-Growthy. His response to criticism was light-hearted, very unlike the Shrinkers I know. They rage and fume, but always anonymously.
I saw no link to Time of Generic Grace, which is one good indication by itself. He did not say, "God has blessed this congregation with membership growth ever since I arrived," - typical of Shrinkers. See Dom Perignon Patterson and VP Huebner.
As Paul said in Galatians, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails, so we should not condemn based on the hymnal or Bible translation. This pastor is explicit about the Means of Grace on his website, something I hardly saw in WELS or Missouri over the years.
WELS pastors are starting to feel safe in being Lutheran. That is a good sign.
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Michael Schottey has left a new comment on your post "WELS Fond du Loot Pastor Donates 10 Grand to Himse...":
Pastor Lidtke...another in a long line of younger men from the Michigan District that I can't wait to be old enough to be "in charge."
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GJ - The Chicaneries know they are losing. That is why the attacks on the blog are mounting. Of course, Chicanery attacks are like being stoned to death by popcorn.
Did I say popcorn? I wasn't even thinking even Ski.
Monday, December 14, 2009
Ongoing Topics To Be Featured on Upper Left of Blog
Stories can be buried by late-breaking news, so I am going to feature posts, which deserve everyone's attention, on the upper left corner of the blog. The picture will always be linked to the post, so click on the photo and you will get that particular post.
A note for the overly-sensitive who cannot grasp satire - Many or most of the Photoshops are created by laymen who do not even know each other. Each one contributes various concepts and I post them. I also create my own.
Ichabod Does Mean "The Glory Has Departed"
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Jeske Is Definitely In the Cookie Jar":
I wasn't referring to why this blogger has not admonished Schroeder or Deutshlander (sic). I was simply asking him to put more focus on the good. You know, like when parents try to get their kids to eat veggies because sugar is bad for them. If he is to be a spiritual father of sorts, then he must point his spiritual children (that's you WELS church lady) to good foods (doctrine) as well as warn against eating unhealthy food (bad doctrine). He focuses a lot (especially lately) on what he perceives to be false teaching.
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GJ - The theme of this blog is false doctrine among the apostates. I doubt whether anyone else has published so many verbatim quotations from the orthodox Lutherans. Try reading more than the first page. Check out the sermons, many accompanied by the best quotations I can find on the subject.
Complaining about apostasy being questioned is common today. Someone can always start a blog called The Glory Is Ours. Howzabout it?
Another Humorless Calvinist Comment
I wonder if Reilly understands satire. He would probably pooh-poor Mollie Hemmingway's PhotoShop of Kieschnick.
I. J. Reilly has left a new comment on your post "Techo-Dolts in the WELS Colleges":
Mr. Jackson,
I think you missed my point about my objection to the way you use the picture of Ski and Glende at the crab restaurant. That's probably because I didn't make myself clear. I will attempt to rectify that mistake here. When "Bishop" Katie published that photo, it was to show them taking a little break and having a good time at a restaurant. Whenever you use it, you do so to create the impression that this is the whole essence of Ski's personality -- that he is always some kind of idle-minded frat boy. I'm sure that you could, if you wanted to, find a picture or two of him looking respectable and "pastorly." You have no desire to do so and want to create the picture that he is not someone to be taken seriously. The fact that you often photoshop that picture to show him in an even more unflattering light compounds the issue. I'm sure there must be a picture or two around of you having a good time with friends and family where you look just slightly goofy. Would you consider it fair if someone took one of those pictures, ran it through a photoshop program to make it appear as if you were partying with John Calvin and made that the image that people thought of whenever they thought of you. This is why your use and abuse of that picture is, indeed, a breaking of the Eighth Commandment. I really feel sorry for you if you cannot see that.
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GJ - I believe I have Photoshopped that Ski/Glende picture twice. "Often?" I should have that much time. The reason for popping Mark Driscoll into the picture was clear to most Lutherans. Ski, Glende, and Katie went to Seattle for a "pastor conference" as announced in the Glende church bulletin or newsletter. That seems a little vague. Driscoll is in Seattle--Mars Hill--and a favorite of Church and Change. There was no WELS pastoral conference at that time, yet Glende left the impression that he was at one of their conferences rather than a Schwaermer event.
The febrile unionism of Church and Change is a matter of record. Their leaders never tire of running off to Schwaermer conferences and taking more WELS workers with them. They brag about it and deceive the innocent who help for pay for it.
Ski, Glende, and Katie kept bragging and publishing their itineraries, so it was easy to track them. They have not officially denied going to Mars Hill yet, so I am not absolutely certain they were there. I really need their blog and photos. Ski still has his Drive '08 blog up, so I imagine there is more out there.
What this anonymous person sees may not be what I intend. However, Ski does not leave a good impression when his copy-cat CORE starts with a Flash movie of him making fun of sermons. "Faith comes by preaching/hearing," so he makes fun of the proclaimed Word--in favor of what?--popcorn, rock, and movie screens. That was taken down, but the other Flash introductions are tedious, and the website is silly, with stuff jumping around and jaws literally flapping. The content is nil. For some reason, the elderly Paul Calvin Kelm is used for a Bible study borrowed from....the Schwaermer, of course.
I am told this was posed for the newspaper, a rare use of the formal shirt and tie.
Ski posted this himself.
I love the use of "Mr." in a comment about the Eighth Commandment. This person is obviously one of Ski's friends, intimate enough to know exactly how and why the restaurant photo was taken. Sarcasm is mistaken for wit in the Wisconsin Synod, so I imagine that "Mr." means I am not a pastor if he disagrees with me anonymously. The Chicaneries need someone who can turn a phrase better, an Oscar Levant of Enthusiasm. Presently they are only preaching to the choir, and the choir is munching popcorn in their theater seats.
Do I hear an Amen?
Amen!
Gunn Not Called to Wisconsin Lutheran College:
Drive '08 Cohort of Ski and Glende Is
Babtist Andy Stanley and Jim Buske
12/14/09 - WISCONSIN EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN SYNOD - 10:58 am
P A S T O R - C A L L - R E P O R T
12/08/2009 - through - 12/14/2009
Buske, Rev James G - WLC - Milwaukee WI - 12/10/2009
Second Campus Pastor
Ski:
That was it. After that Andy just ended and prayed for all the people there & for there (sic) ministries. As you can see from the pictures above, Buske and I got to get a picture with Andy, pretty cool. He is way down to earth. His wife Sandra was there also and she is just great. We actually got to talk to her a little more than Andy. You also notice John [Parlow] with the North Point member who played Bender in one of their sermon series called “Twisted”. The series was all about how Satan twists God’s Word. Finally, there is a photo of Buske & Todd Fields. I’m a little bitter about that one, but you’ll need to ask me why.
Drive '08
At least seven (7) WELS pastors and Katie have studied with Andy Stanley at the Drive conferences. Glende, Ski, and Buske are named on Ski's blog. Katie numbered four (4) others but failed to name them.
WELS Pastor John Parlow at Drive 08
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Church and Change Idea List
Youth Ministry - Conference Breakout 304....
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Jeske Is Definitely In the Cookie Jar
Look at the section entitled "Who We Are." You will read:
"St. Marcus is a member of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) and the Milwaukee Federation of Wisconsin Synod churches. We contribute toward the support of Wisconsin Lutheran High School, Wisconsin Lutheran College, the Wisconsin Lutheran Child and Family Service, the Wisconsin Lutheran Institutional Ministry and the Milwaukee Campus."
Now you may not like the organizations listed here, but you cannot deny that Pastor Jeske is WELS.
Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Praise for Jeske Acknowledging Holy Baptism":
I was not trying to excuse Pastor Jeske, but I was trying to get you to point out what might be good in the WELS so that the WELS might improve, since they read your blog (as it is claimed).
Also, he has not changed churches. I'm not sure why TOG is a RSO of the LCMS, but officially he is WELS. Here I'll even provide a link that proves this:
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GJ - Ichabod is widely read, even in the WELS schools, where special audio tapes are prepared for future DPs. Just kidding, folks.
Techo-Dolts in the WELS Colleges
The college crowd is supposed to be techno-savvy. Being able to text with two thumbs during class, wearing a zombie look, should not be confused with understanding technology.
The first lesson, never learned in WELS, is that Internet content lasts forever. If it is published, like Rick Johnson's offering figures, the information can be captured at the time. If not captured at once, it can be found through various services.
Publishing means "to make available to the entire world." There may be some controls added, but I would not count on them. One of my students told me about a program where all the files on a website could be examined. Facebook allows a lot of data-mining, as anyone can see from the ads that pop up. The ads are tied to the content of the user's information.
Only techno-dolts could upload videos to YouTube and whine that people are viewing them. Do they blubber on The Thword about the gay sites embedding their precious Party in the MLC? I never saw a complaint about that.
Only techno-dolts could post "funny" comments on Facebook and act shocked when they come to light. Writing on a real wall is local, at least. Writing on Facebook is international and longer lasting than a masonry wall. At one might hope for a real wall to be knocked down.
Church and Change seems to be overly blessed with techno-dolts. Katie published a photo of Ski and Glende stuffing themselves in Seattle, but a CORE fan complained that I published it. No, I re-published what was already, in essence, a little webpage - available for anyone with the URL (universal resource locator, for Mequon graduates).
Ski and Glende bragged about their Schwaermer conference attendance, until they realized they were being quoted on Ichabod, with the link provided. They stopped Tweeting - Silent Spring. Or they changed accounts. How boring. The very act of hiding the information made it more interesting, which is saying a lot for anything out of the Jeske circle. They are more predictable than Nile flooding.
Church and Change tried to lie their way out of the Stetzer invitation, but Stetzer's own calendar, blog, and Twitter proved them deceptive once again. The invitation they denied was clearly posted several times by Stetzer himself, and the timing proved to be close to his appearance at Exponential, where Dom Perignon Patterson took a bunch of WELS church workers.
Church and Change boasted about their board of directors. The more I posted from that page, the more they deleted. Board member photos and bios have disappeared. Board members have disappeared - without a trace. Once again, the act of hiding makes it more interesting.
The secret listserve of Church and Change is the biggest joke. The same people who deny being Chicaneries are the one who chatter the most on that email exchange. They are also the same ones who have hissy-fits when they are quoted verbatim, in context.w
The Chicaneries have to do several things:
- They have to beg for money from the synod, foundations, and Thrivent, because their miserable and lazy efforts do not generate enough money for their taste in luxury.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "The Fear That Made Milwaukee Famous":
"When I was following Katie's Twitter posts, one was especially interesting. A former member of St. Marcus Lutheran Church had joined Granger Community Church and was thrilled to see Ski and Katie there for training."
That says a lot about the inadequacy of Sausage Factory training.
Joint LCMS-WELS Chaplaincy Programs for Those in the Joint
CHAPLAINCY MINISTRIES
House of Correction/Milwaukee #MS-8
Contact: Rev. Daniel McMiller, SWD Missions Executive, (414) 464-8100
The South Wisconsin District has supported the House of Correction Chaplaincy in diverse ways since the beginning of this ministry in 1904. This year, a partnership has been developed between the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS) and our South Wisconsin District—LCMS to provide a new format for spiritual care in the House of Correction (HOC). Deacon Afam Ikanih, a student in the Ethnic Immigrant Institute of Theology (EIIT) of Concordia, St. Louis, and Lay Worker Pat Batom, (who completed the 31 credits in the Concordia University Wisconsin, Lay Ministry program), both of Mission of Christ Lutheran Church, are serving part time (8:00 am to noon, Monday through Friday) at the HOC. Three WELS men (two pastors and one layman) are also serving there. Joint training and coordination meetings are held between this team of 5 chaplains and their immediate supervisors in both the Wisconsin and Missouri Synods.
Ex-Offender Ministry Milwaukee #MS-12
Contact: Rev. Daniel McMiller, SWD Missions Executive, (414) 464-8100
A new partnership between the District and the Metro Milwaukee Lutheran Mission Society (MMLMS—formerly known as the Greater Milwaukee Federation) is seeking funding and partnerships to provide ministry follow-up in at least 5 locations to men and women served in the House of Correction and released back into the community. Direct gifts are needed from individuals, congregations and granting institutions. This too is being done in partnership with the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. Every year 25,000 inmates are served in the House of Correction, and nearly those same numbers are released. This new ministry will address spiritual, social and some physical needs for those who are released with the hope that they are regularly nurtured in Word and Sacrament and equipped in diverse ways to become healthy, contributing members of society, rather than repeat offenders
++++++ link - http://swd.lcms.org/Ministries/Missions/tabid/167/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/8420/2nd-annual-Lutheran-Ethnic-Folk-Fair-coming-September-26th.aspx
The Fear That Made Milwaukee Famous
Catalyst One Day: Andy Stanley on Momentum
Last night Mark Beeson and I had a great opportunity to eat dinner with the Catalyst team, including Andy Stanley and Craig Groeschel. Every time I’m around those guys—I see they are the real deal. Humble. Authentic. Guys who put their families above their ministries. I respect them both immensely.
Andy began the day with a session on momentum. Some quotes…
Andy began the day with a session on momentum. Some quotes…
- Momentum = forward motion fueled by a series of wins.
- In the business world, a company that doesn’t have momentum takes quick action.
- In the church world, we put up with lack of momentum for a long time as long as we can still pay the bills.
- In the church world, momentum is not the norm. It is very disruptive, unsettling and uncomfortable.
- If you have momentum and you don’t know why—you are one stupid decision away from killing it.
- If you lack momentum, you need to understand why.
- Anything new creates momentum.
- Momentum is never triggered by tweaking something old. It is triggered by introducing something new.
- Complexity kills momentum. The process of tearing down complexity is painful, but must be done.
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GJ - I am overwhelmed by the awesomeness of these guys promoting each other. But alas, they are familiar names to me. Ski and Katie have attended Drive '09 (Stanley). Ski blogged about worshiping at Drive '08. Ski attended Catalyst (Stanley and Groeschel). Ski and Katie attended Granger Community Church (Beeson et al.)
When I was following Katie's Twitter posts, one was especially interesting. A former member of St. Marcus
Awkward!
Money Makes the Word Go Around - Cabaret
Just in 2008 from the Fleck Foundation - these grants -
Risen Savior Ev. Lutheran Church Scholarships for students to attend Risen Savior $45,000
9550 West Brown Deer Road Lutheran School.
Milwaukee, WI 53224
Pastor Kenneth Fisher (WELS)
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Wisconsin Lutheran High School Scholarships for students to attend Wisconsin Lutheran -. $90,000
Funding for Agents of Change program to improve relationships among peers from various backgrounds - $600
330 North Glenview Avenue
Milwaukee, WI 53213
Pastor James Kleist, President
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Risen Savior Ev. Lutheran Church Funding for civil rights tour, Spring 2009. $20,000
9550 West Brown Deer Road
Milwaukee, WI 53224
Pastor Kenneth Fisher (WELS)
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St. Marcus School Funding for the Discover America civil rights trip. $10,000
North Palmer Street
Milwaukee, WI 53205
Henry Tyson, Principal (WELS)
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http://www.fleckfoundation.org/pdf/Grants2008.pdf
How Firm Are Our Foundations
Just in 2008 - from the Bradley Foundation -
Risen Savior Evangelical Lutheran Church and School, Milwaukee
To support community outreach $50,000
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Wisconsin Lutheran College, Milwaukee
To support the "Pathways to College" program $100,000
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St. Marcus Lutheran School, Milwaukee
To support expansion $365,000
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http://www.bradleyfdn.org/pdfs/Grants2008/08Legacy.pdf
Chicanery Board Member John Huebner, Retired
John has pastored growing congregations in Michigan and Florida. Currently, he serves as WELS Mission Counselor to the North Atlantic and Michigan districts. Deeply interested in reaching lost persons with the saving gospel of Jesus Christ, he has written an extensive course in lifestyle witnessing. He understands the special importance of equipping believers to do ministry work. He also researches WELS congregations and studies writers from around North America to better understand our culture in order to advise missionaries and others in proclaiming Jesus in today’s world. John and his wife, Esther, have three children and are members of ChristLutheranChurch in Columbia.
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Huebner, Rev John P - Shepherd of the L - Land O Lakes FL - 12/31/2009
Huebner, Rev John P Peace - Holiday FL - 12/31/2009
Just For Fun at Martin Luther College (WELS)
For all of you who are sick of the guys always acting so gay I mean, a little here and there is fine, but when it becomes a part of your everyday life, there needs to be a line drawn as to how far this can go! Also, This is just a complete joke! It's just for fun!! I thought it would give everyone a good laugh! so relax, sit back and reflect, and LAUGH!
The Gayness at MLC Needs To Stop
John Schleis Sorry guys, but my post was made in fun and was not serious at all.
Sorry for the confusion, and I wanted to put a "j" instead of a "z" but I put a "z" for whatever reason.
Cheree Koenig yeah zealous?? don't get that one John. and snap, if there are guys, (or well anyone for that matter) that are taking this group totally serious.. uhh they SHOULD relax!! :D.. i admit it is frustrating sometimes.. but this group makes it less frustrating and more of a joke, and just something to laugh about.
Amanda Mikula i just want you all to know, i only made this group as a joke! it wasnt something i was being serious about...all a complete JOKE!!!! so everyone needs to relax and just laugh about it!
Elisabeth Bishop sure, it's gross. but just be thankful it's all a joke. at least we only see heterosexual couples making out in centennial lobby, not homosexuals. and this group will very likely not stop the behavior of the boys here at mlc, but rather, will make them feel that they need to make an even bigger spectacle of themselves,... cuz now they're getting facebook attention for it. i'm not saying it was bad to make this group, but just be prepared for the repercussions!! :)
Cheree Koenig I think it gets worse when all the guys are 'drunk' like tonight at cos, i think they were all dancing with other guys at some point in the night! any way, im just sick of it, cause it is GROSS!
Peter Wells hey,....can i help it if even the men want a piece of me. I don't blame them, i mean i am hot and all...but sorry guys, i don't roll like that
Matthew Borck what hurts, hutch, your bumhole?
jk
and gunnar, I'm not the one trying to touch another man's unit in the hallway
Gunnar Ledermann check this out. for one thing, borck is always naked in concord and only speaks of gayness therefore its always on his mind. the first time i met shinick he was singing the doxology naked with moldy in my room.
Cheree Koenig Amen to this group! it's just creepy how "close" some of the guys are here at mlc. they do need to know where to draw the line. maybe this will help them see the light.
Tyler Shinnick Wow.....
I'm all for a good game here and there, but the constant pillow biting and everything that's going around is just taking it too far.....queers. Go join the ELCA
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