Bruce Church Describes Another Sobbing, But Not Starving Pastor

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Schuller family food insecurity reminds me of a WELS pastor whose salary was cut by $5,000, from $44,000 to $39,000 per year, but yet he got free medical and stayed free at parsonage, and his wife had a great job, too. Then he was complaining about food insecurity during announcements after a church service, wondering where he'd get the money to buy groceries. The members at that point all got food insecurity, too, but not of the same kind. They felt they were about to lose their breakfast!

His pay got cut for not doing evangelism. Also, one could add that he's the one that drove his kids all over the place for school, soccer, hockey, YMCA, etc. In other words, he was being soccer mom instead of his wife doing that, and no pastor can afford the time for that.

I have said before the pastor got docked $4,000, but that was in error. I realize it was $5,000. I just spit out a figure without doing the simple math. Oops!

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GJ - To pay rent on a house, one would have to earn about $1200 a month to net $900 a month for rent. Free utilities are worth another $500 a month (gross). Employees get medical coverage but business owners pay a fortune for their own; nevertheless, medical coverage is worth a lot. With his wife earning a good salary and benefits, the couple is earning $100,000 a year with many tax advantages. Meanwhile, the congregation  is paying a fortune for the husband to be the wife and take care of the domestic chores.

Parsonage Allowance link.

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ChurchMouse on the University of Notre Dame

churchmousec (http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Joe Krohn: "Don't Pray for Me, Fake-0-Blogger"":

Joe, I have read your ongoing story here on Ichabod and offer my humble prayers for you and your family. I cannot imagine what you folks are going through. Rest assured, God's grace will guide you to a better church home in time.

As to Notre Dame, with apologies to Dr Jackson, I can speak only with assurance about what goes on at the Golden Dome. If these bizarre events have been observed (questionable), then they would appear to be a warning.

Seven years ago, the university invited Tarik Ramadan to be a guest professor for a semester. He had some visa problems which prevented that happening. A number of ND professors were outraged. Meanwhile, the French newspaper Le Monde -- left-of-centre -- featured a number of articles detailing why Ramadan had to exile himself to Switzerland. His views were too extreme for the French government, which was, at the time, seeking to build new mosques for a growing Muslim population.

Back at ND, and on a more mundane scale, a number of things have occurred on campus over the past 40+ years which are, frankly, not befitting our Lord Jesus Christ -- or His mother. This includes acts by students, faculty and alumni.

Feel free, Dr Jackson, not to publish this, but if there are weird things happening -- which I doubt on a rational level (however interesting the accounts) -- they might be 'appearing' to those who have a need for repentance.

I would not recommend that university to anyone.

Churchmouse

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GJ - I am happy to publish this. I have been following events at Notre Dame for decades, and I have reported on them. Two of the homosexual worship professors were atheists, and one of them was likely murdered, with the crime scene cleaned up by the future president of ND, an ethics professor.

I thought giving an honorary degree to Obama was ND's low point, because of Obama's virulent pro-abortion stance. The "conservative" Lutherans are just as hypocritical, working with Thrivent and ELCA. Appleton is headquarters for Church and Change, and for Thrivent.

The traditionalists say that the Notre Dame board is simply money-minded and completely apostate. Two of my fellow theology students (Roman Catholics) were disgusted that I believed in the Virgin Birth of Christ and His actual resurrection. One is teaching at a Catholic college today. The other is president of a famous Catholic college.

The world-wide state of Christian apostasy is the reason for this blog. The apostates do not want me to write about them.

"When the Son of Man returns, will He find faith?"

Don Patterson and the clown are FB friends.

Bankrupt church wants donations for pastor’s sick wife ferried in limo | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

Bankrupt church wants donations for pastor’s sick wife ferried in limo | The Lookout - Yahoo! News:



Some members of a bankrupt Orange County, Calif. megachurch are expressing outrage after fielding an email request for congregants to deliver food to waiting limos so that it can ferried to the founder's sick wife. The appeal comes weeks after a lawsuit charged that the founder of the Crystal Cathedral house of worship, Rev. Robert Schuller, and his family had been paying themselves lavish salaries and other benefits while the church was in financial straits.


"They've completely depleted the church's funds," one member, Bob Canfield, told the Orange County Register. "But they have shown that they have absolutely no remorse for what they've done. They're still being chauffeured around in limos. We, the congregants, have nothing." 


An email sent recently by Crystal Cathedral administrators said that Schuller and his wife, Arvella, "would appreciate meals over the next three to four weeks." It added: "They are to be sent to the church in order to be transported to Arvella. The limo drivers could pick up the dinners or meet in the Tower Lobby around 4:30 p.m."


Arvella Schuller has been suffering from pneumonia, and the email asked that the food be low in sodium and include items such as fruit, meat, soup and eggs. 


Crystal Cathedral Ministries filed for bankruptcy last month. A lawsuit filed by creditors alleges thatthe Schullers borrowed more than $10 million from the church's endowment fund, and used it for salaries and regular church expenses.


"R.H. Schuller used his control and influence to cause the [cathedral] to enter into the agreements that benefitted himself and his family, to the detriment of the creditors and in breach of his fiduciary duties" to the church, the suit charges.

A spokesman for the church, John Charles, said the food request was in keeping with the church's commitment to Christian charity. "As Dr. Schuller always says, 'Find a need and fill it,'" he said. "I think that's what we were trying to do here."


But Canfield sees things differently. "These are millionaires who have limos and chauffeurs," he said. "Why in God's name would they want the congregants to deliver meals? It's ludicrous."



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John has left a new comment on your post "Bankrupt church wants donations for pastor’...":

One wonders why such a once thriving church as Schuller's seems now to be crumbling.

A church that once filled a drive-in theater, then a huge glass sanctuary along with world wide television exposure is now failing.

It was all about Schuller. One had to send his money to him, via Hour of Power.

Jeske seems to speak more of our state as sinners, and of Christ, and Him crucified. YET, Jeske never refers the watchers of Time of Grace to their local W/ELS pastors/congregations for further instruction/information. Doesn't this mean that one is to go only to Jeske through Time of Grace? This is different from Schuller/Hour of Power how?

Jeske certainly has no mega church in Milwaukee. One wonders whether this fact doesn't show all the more that Time of Grace is all about him.

Maybe folks are realizing that the message that they are receiving from some has nothing whatsoever to do with their salvation and are bolting. 

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Mark Jeske, Time of Grace: Samuel Huber's False Do...":

Let's see if Daniel Baker gets deleted/banned at ToG:

Time of Grace
Pastor Jeske is in the studio today taping some great videos to help you prepare your hearts for Christmas. Can you think of 3 people who you will share Christ-mas with this year? Stay tuned for more tools on sharing this amazing message of peace and joy!
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I think a great way to "prepare" during this Adventide is to make use of the gift of private Confession and Absolution. We don't often think of it as such, but it is rightly considered a sacrament in the Lutheran Church and its gifts of Spirit-given repentance and forgiveness beautifully compliment the penitential season of Advent. Coupled with frequent reception of the Holy Supper and hearing the Proclaimed Gospel during the Divine Service, what better Means are there to "prepare the way" for the King of Kings than Those that He has given us!? 3 hours ago

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GJ - Note that the Time of Grace blurb is very Schuller-CG-like, all about the man, not the Messiah. I am sure the Baker comment will be erased now that it is posted here.  

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Grey Goose noted:

It is interesting how the cycle of irritated responses to Ichabod keeps turning.  Two or three days at a time and then silence for much longer.  I suppose they are busy doing something in the interim and then something sets them off but they stay unidentified.  Only the phoney names change.  It gets funny. 

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GJ - I was curious about what got the Fox Valley crowd off their barstools and onto the computer again. Then I noticed that the quotes Tim Glende hates have been read by hundreds of people in the last week and month.

The WELS Church and Changers Are Unraveling Fast

The recent hissy-fits from Appleton-Fox Valley WELS are revealing. They are signs of frustration, coming from the emotionally immature and the doctrinally bankrupt.

Some signs are:

• They engage in personal attacks, by name, against people whose sin is posting in a friendly way on this blog.
• They imagine that insults directed at an entire state make them more sophisticated, as if their culture of beer and floozies can be made more urbane by comparison.
• These Church and Changers give away their real character - not their interest in the Gospel, but a passion to tear down anyone who seems to be a threat to their empire.
• Their New NIV has become their tarbaby. They have to promote it, because the corrupt, porno-mytho translation supports their false doctrine. However, most people are aware of the laughable quality of the NIV business. Do not mention billionaire Murdoch - mind you. They will force it upon WELS, but that will finish off their publishing business.
• Their SP only appears in Christian News - front page! - to denounce the truth on this blog, making him the first Lutheran primate to defend a homosexual video, with the odd defense that his MLC boys were mocking gaity.
• Their precious UOJ is falling apart, due to historical research done by their own people. Oh yes - sad news for the Changers. The two key discoveries about their precious UOJ have come from within: Knapp and Huber. I wish I could name my helpers, but no one wants to deal with the savage bullies led by John Lawrenz, Steve Witte, John Parlow, Wayne Mueller, Paul Calvin Kelm, David Valleskey, Frosty Bivens, Larry Olson, James Huebner, and many others.
• They are backing away from the normal language of UOJ - everyone saved and forgiven without faith. They hint at it but avoid their favorite terms, doubtless because too many people now realize it is doctrinal fraud and anti-Christian teaching.
• Don Patterson and Tim Glende have become friends on Facebook and shown their common cause by excommunicating people who questioned matters and asked for meetings. They ducked meetings, trashed the members, and kicked them out. Oh the love of Jesus burns bright in the Changers' hearts.

J C Ryle: an Anglican bishop of the old school « Churchmouse Campanologist

J C Ryle: an Anglican bishop of the old school « Churchmouse Campanologist:

As an antidote to the recent Church of England debacle involving St Paul’s Cathedral and Occupy, it seems apposite to examine a bishop who did much for the Church: J C Ryle.

John Charles Ryle was born in 1816 to a wealthy banker.  Having attended Eton and Christ Church, Oxford, his family expected him to pursue a career in politics.  However, Ryle felt called to the priesthood and was ordained in 1842.

Read more at the link. The quotations are especially worthwhile.

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At First, Nothing Was Done to the Professor 's Son. Now Nothing Will Be Done Because of the Money Involved - Mark Jeske

rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Time of Grace, Mark Jeske, and the Occult":

Once again, this proves that Enthusiasm makes war against the Efficacy of the Word. It also disproves the notion that these tactics can be sanitized and Lutheranized. All throughout Scriptures, we are told that God gives us his Word, which can always be trusted. Any charlatan can claim that God spoke to him internally. That line is always used to support any kind of lame ministry that pops up. It is also used to justify extravagant expenditures, because the Lord allegedly told them to do so. Coupled with this is the misuse of prayer as a Means of Grace. You hear the huckster preachers say, "I prayed until the Lord gave me the answer that I was looking for." Wolf preachers do not want members with discernment. That is why they are so opposed to any form of doctrinal instruction.

Time of Grace, Mark Jeske, and the Occult

Helpless to do anything, except promote the Church and Changers,
protect their agenda, and silence the critics of false doctrine.

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "WELS - Do You Really Think Main Problem with Mark ...":

AC V has asked what may be causing Time of Grace to remove comments from thier Facebook site. The comments are directed toward (W)ELS' Time of Grace support for Dr. Tom Potisk and his promotion of New Age doctrines that are contrary to Scripture.

Talking about Holistic Health, Tom Potisk states, "...real health and healing comes from within. We've each been gifted by God with our own doctor inside us." "This concept of having an inner healing ability, and giving one's inner doctor what it needs is what holistic health care is all about." http://www.reclaimthejoy.com/?p=388

This type of occult teaching is in line with the (W)ELS acceptance and promotion of the Satanic New Age Roman Catholic practice of Taize worship. I've watched a (W)ELS gradeschool presentation where a young child's script was to state that when deciding on a career choice we should listen to the small voice inside. In the (W)ELS slide toward apostasy they are losing Christian discernment and now believe any influence is God's voice speaking to them, leading them. It's the same kind of Enthusiasm that's inherent in the Baptist, Methodist and Pentecostal doctrines and practices that the (W)ELS allows in their churches. It's the open door to satanic influence, doctrine and practice. Separated from God's Word the (W)ELS is following in the same steps as the ELCA with Her Church and the Roman Catholic AntiChrist leading the way.