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| Or not - http://www.eldona.org/ELDoNA/Papers_files/Justification_2013.pdf |
     George Mueller (Mueller) Advanced Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 954 Registered: 11-2012 |
The ELDoNA Theses on Justification reveal an unteachable truculence. These guys are looking for a fight. Cruising for a bruising. Having dismissed the teaching of their teachers they presume to patronize them. The entire document oozes disrespect for the tradition in which they were trained. Yet their argument against that tradition is based on a false antithesis of which they appear to be willfully unaware. It first becomes apparent in thesis 8 where they argue that objective justification may “charitably” (you see, they are very charitable men!) be regarded as a development of the concept of the throne of grace or the mercy seat. They argue that objective justification is a “gross overstatement” of this concept. In fact, the two belong together and neither can be understood apart from the other. Furthermore, objective justification was always implicit in everything the dogmaticians asserted about redemption, atonement, reconciliation, and justification. Determined to find conflict where there is agreement, the ELDoNA Theses on Justification set up in opposition the teaching that God has declared the world to be righteous in Christ and that God has acquired this declaration of righteousness. Either, they reason, God has acquired such a declaration or he has declared it. It cannot be both. So whenever the fathers speak of objective justification without specifically mentioning justification itself the ELDoNAistas will insist that those fathers rejected objective justification! What about what God says? The document says precious little about the biblical texts that prove objective justification. Apparently a debate between Huber and Hunnius is more edifying than what the Holy Scriptures clearly say! But that’s the whole point! Huber and Hunnius are the smoke and mirrors by which to blind the casual observer. The idea is to distract us from the clear Scriptures to a dead hundreds-year-old debate about which few of us know anything at all and which, in any event, doesn’t even apply to the debate today. Ah, but they know something you don’t know! After dissing their teachers they do their best to lay claim to their authority, arguing that Robert Preus “came to this conclusion late in life” as if he changed his position when “this conclusion” refers to what Robert Preus had always taught while he was also teaching objective justification! Preus saw no conflict between the teaching of the sixteenth and seventeenth century Lutheran dogmaticians and the teaching of Walther and the Synodical Conference. ELDoNA does, however, and since they do, so must you. Perhaps someone with the time and ability will do us all the favor of providing an orthodox review and critique of this document. Or, should we ignore it and hope it goes away? [GJ - Thanks, SpenerQuest - I'm working on it.] | ||
| Rev. Guillaume Williams (Revhardheaded) Senior Member Username: Revhardheaded Post Number: 4734 Registered: 10-2004 |
I believe the Right Rev. Rolf Preus provided some evidence on some thread on UOJ here that Robert Preus held to UOJ his whole life. I think he would know. The Rev. Guillaume J. S. Williams, Sr GEAUX SAINTS! GEAUX LSU!!! | ||
| Tim Schenks (Tschenks) Advanced Member Username: Tschenks Post Number: 813 Registered: 3-2006 |
This is amazing how all of those ex-LCMS pastors, who were confirmed and ordained in the LCMS but left the synod because it was too liberal for them, now all repudiate Walther and Objective Justification. Not only that, but now they're redefining words. It used to be only the liberals theologians who did that. Speaking of B.S., this thread is starting to sound like the Ichabod blog. |
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| The UOJ pig-stealers and crick-jumpers are left with a document that disproves their contention. Preus quoted many UOJ authors (Pietists all) earlier but devastated the dogma in his last book. Justification and Rome - read it for the first time, SpenerQuesters. |
