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| Forde wrote for the Braaten-Jenson ELCA Dogmatics book, which rejected all articles of the Christian faith. "The Trinity is merely God, the man Jesus, and the spirit of the believing community." Vocation - confessional Lutheran! |
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| Oh. Oh. The article by which... UOJ, ELCA formulation. |
Christian Dogmatics is a two-volume survey of the twelve major loci of Christian doctrine, each treated extensively in terms of its biblical foundations, historical tradition, and contemporary significance. From the perspective of the Lutheran tradition and in view of the unique questions and issues of the American context, each locus is developed independent of the others by six theologians, themselves influenced by divergent theological movements: Carl Braaten, Gerhard Forde, Philip Hefner, Robert Jenson, Paul Sponheim, and Hans Schwartz. Volume 1 discusses dogmatics, the Trinity, the identity of God, creation, sin, and Christology. Volume 2 treats atonement, the Holy Spirit, ecclesiology, the sacraments, justification by faith, and eschatology.
     Robert C. Baker (Robert_c_baker) Intermediate Member Username: Robert_c_baker Post Number: 371 Registered: 2-2012 |
Of the eight speakers, including the Presidents of the LCMS, WELS, and ELS, the November Lutheran Free Conference includes three, yes, three followers, adherents, promoters, and teachers of the late Gerhard Forde: James Nestingen, Steven Paulson, and John T. Pless. Why is the current theological leadership of the LCMS so intent on promoting a theologian, who denied the substitutionary atonement; inerrency (sic) of Scripture; eternal law; natural law; and the third use of the law? One need only to note the connection of Prof. Pless, James Nestingen, Steven Paulson, Mark Mattes and, as of late, Jack Kilcrease (and, by extension, Matthew Becker). These teachers, writers, and speakers are frequent guests at the Fort Wayne seminary. http://www.lutheranfreeconference.org/ | ||
| Pr. Don Kirchner (Kirchner) Senior Member Username: Kirchner Post Number: 3553 Registered: 11-2001 |
A connection between John Pless and Matthew Becker? They both have or had a connection with Valpo, as did Norman Nagel. Much else is illogically reaching. BTW, I think Prof. Pless is a bit more than a guest at CTSFW. And yes, Dr. Nestingen is a frequent guest within "confessional" Lutheran circles because he is...confessional. You've become quite the gadfly toward Lutheranism since you left your call and went to work for the Presbyterians. | ||
| George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1017 Registered: 11-2012 |
Don you've got it half right. You defended John Pless. That's good. But you attacked Robert Baker. That's bad. It's bad for three reasons. First, as you the logician well know, personal attacks are illogical. They don't make the argument. Second, you neglected to defend Pless effectively. You should have pointed out to Robert that just because Pless likes Forde doesn't mean that he adopts his errors. Third, you should not issue personal and pubic attacks against your brothers. | ||
| David Jay Webber (Djw) Advanced Member Username: Djw Post Number: 603 Registered: 12-2004 |
This is a free conference, not an LCMS conference. Those who speak at a free conference are by definition promoting only their own views. The various speakers bear no responsibility for what other speakers say or believe, and the organizers of the free conference likewise bear no responsibility for what the various speakers say. It is just a big, public conversation. | ||
| George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1018 Registered: 11-2012 |
David, you're missing Robert's point. It irks him that so many Fordeites are featured. We all know what a free conference is. | ||
| David Jay Webber (Djw) Advanced Member Username: Djw Post Number: 604 Registered: 12-2004 |
"Why is the current theological leadership of the LCMS so intent on promoting a theologian, who denied the substitutionary atonement; inerrency (sic!) of Scripture; eternal law; natural law; and the third use of the law?" What does that question have to do with the names that are on the docket for a free conference? | ||
| George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1019 Registered: 11-2012 |
Well, apparently Robert thinks that the guys on the list (presumably, not including the presidents of the WELS and the ELS) are Fordeites. I'm not saying he's right or wrong. But that's his opinion and it annoys him that so many Fordeites are given so much publicity. |
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