Agrees with Wayne Mueller about Inventing New Doctrine: ELCA presiding bishop says church is 'always being made new' - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

ELCA presiding bishop says church is 'always being made new' - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:

" CHICAGO (ELCA) -- As the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) prepares to celebrate its 25th anniversary in 2013 under the theme "Always being made new," ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson said the theme embodies far more than the anniversary in his report to the ELCA Conference of Bishops, which met here Oct. 4-9.
   
The ELCA Conference of Bishops is an advisory body of this church that includes 65 synod bishops, the presiding bishop and secretary. The Rev. Jessica R. Crist, bishop of the ELCA Montana Synod, chairs the conference."

'via Blog this'

Read the Formula of Concord To Celebrate the Reformation - Instead of O'Hare, Buchholz, and Olson

Daryl Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Jack Cascione Dusts Off the Iron Maiden and Polish...":

Oh to have been a fly on the wall when Rydecki answered the ultimatum; the parallels to the Diet of Worms are uncanny! People have long noted the WELS' "Lift High the Cash" Tetzels, and now they have their very own Eck.

How fitting that this should all transpire as we approach the anniversary of the Reformation! Rydecki's quotes are priceless because they beg one to read further in order to understand the entire context. I won't mention the Ambrose quote since you've recently tackled it (yet again!), but what follows after the FC SD quote can likewise never bear enough emphasis because it provides a very simple and succinct summary of our Christian faith from atonement to repentance, faith, justification, sanctification, preservation, and everlasting life. Every confirmation student should memorize these eight points:

Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration, XI, Election.

1. That the human race is truly redeemed and reconciled with God through Christ, who, by His faultless (innocency) obedience, suffering, and death, has merited for us the righteousness which avails before God, and eternal life.

2. That such merit and benefits of Christ shall be presented, offered, and distributed to us through His Word and Sacraments.

3. That by His Holy Ghost, through the Word, when it is preached, heard, and pondered, He will be efficacious and active in us, convert hearts to true repentance, and preserve them in true faith.

4. That He will justify all those who in true repentance receive Christ by a true faith, and will receive them into grace, the adoption of sons, and the inheritance of eternal life.

5. That He will also sanctify in love those who are thus justified, as St. Paul says. Eph. 1, 4.

6. That He also will protect them in their great weakness against the devil, the world, and the flesh, and rule and lead them in His ways, raise them again (place His hand beneath them), when they stumble, comfort them under the cross and in temptation, and preserve them (for life eternal).

7. That He will also strengthen, increase, and support to the end the good work which He has begun in them, if they adhere to God's Word, pray diligently, abide in God's goodness (grace), and faithfully use the gifts received.

8. That finally He will eternally save and glorify in life eternal those whom He has elected, called, and justified.

Your illustration of Luther's Gal. 3:13 commentary from LW 26 is one of my favorites. His commentary of Gal. 2:15,16 in the Kregel edition is similar: But where Christ and faith be not, there is no remission or covering of sins, but imputation of sins and condemnation.

A very blessed Reformation to one and all!

Which Places Would Be Deadly for WELS Pastors' Post-Graduate Study?

Craig Groeschel is the theologian of Fox Valley, WELS.

Screaming and shouting are poor substitutes for the Word of God.

Fuller Seminary? - Nope. Valleskey, Bivens, Olson, Kelm, and many others advanced their careers with study at Fuller Seminary. All the American missions people were sent there by WELS, and doubtless the world mission guys too. Ask Brazil about Richard Starr's video-tape evangelism, because traditional methods were too slow for him. Hint - learning the language really helps.

Trinity in Deerfield? - Nope. WELS spent so much offering money there that Trinity mentioned The Love Shack twice in bragging about support from other denominations.

Witte carries out the Church and Change mission in Asia,
as he did in Fox Valley - twice.

Gordon-Conwell? - Nope. Steve Witte, one of the founders of Church and Change, got his drive-by DMin there. He is now president of the Asian porta-seminary.

Brandeis? - Nope. John Lawrenz, another early Church and Changer, earned a real doctorate there. "Everything has to change" was a sermon he gave long before Brian McLaren.

Willow Creek? - Nope. WELS routinely sent its mission pastors to Willow Creek to learn how its done. Your offering money at work. Several WELS congregations were outed at Willow Creek Association members, a small indication of the unionism of WELS.

Where did all those women ministers come from?
McGavran

Andy Stanley's Gay Lib Training Camps? - Nope. Ski and Bishop Katy bragged that eight (8) WELS workers were there for training. Ski also boasted that he could have attended the WELS conference in Atlanta, where Deutschlander spoke, but no, he was there for Stanley.

Every wonder why Stanley looks so sad in all his photos? I do.

Leonard Sweet? - Nope. When Kelm sponsored Sweet for a Church and Change buzzerei, which was heavily attended and supported by WELS. In fact, WELS offering money financed the start of Church and Change.

Denver Babtist? - Nope. John Parlow got his drive-by degree there. He was a member of the Willow Creek ministerium. He went to the Stanley worship conferences. He loves every denomination but his own, but that never hurt him one little bit.

Mark Driscoll? - Nope. Ski and Tim Glende went to be trained by the cussing pastor, pretending they were at a WELS conference in the worship bulletin. There were no WELS conferences.

Andy Beeson? - Nope. Ski and Bishop Katy went to the Granger Community Church for more training. Obviously this was not virgin territory for WELS, since a former member of Jeske's church (where Ski and Katy worked together) greeted them. She had joined Granger and was happy to see them at the conference. Twitter is a tattle-tale.

Concordia, St. Louis? - Nope. Paul Calvin Kelm got a drive-by DMin in Church Growth there. Kelm is also a double-dipper, with study at Fuller and heaven knows how many other schools of Enthusiasm.

Union Consortium, Ohio? - Nope. Richard Krause went there for a drive-by DMin, supervised by Larry Olson, his Church Growth buddy, who got his drive-by from Fuller Seminary.

Groeschel-Stanley? - Ski and Glende went to one of those joint conferences, I believe. They are smitten with both men, whether they saw them on the same day or not.

Ed Stetzer? - Church and Change invited him to head up one of their conferences. Missouri did the same, and Stetzer bragged about it while making fun of Lutheran doctrine. I kept posting about this travesty, and WELS kept denying it was happening until it was canceled.

Exponential? - Kudu Don Patterson was only a district vice-president when he took five workers to Exponential. I believe that was where Stetzer was hired to speak for Church and Change. Patterson has denied being a Church and Changer, but he went to their "last" conference and spoke at another one. The district rewarded Don with elevation to District President, even though he is loathed far and wide as a nasty little man.

Parlow, Jeske, Kelm, Patterson.
Mequon asked Kelm and Patterson to help them guide
future pastors in their training.
As the teenagers say, "Seriously?"

Conclusion
If you want to get ahead in WELS, study with the worst false teachers and adopt their anti-Biblical doctrine and methods. You will go far, young man.

Look for Sermon Series with Clever Titles - Emergent Church Copycats

Babtist gay activist Andy Stanley and
WELS Pastor Ski, of The CORE.
Ski and Tim Glende routinely copy sermons, graphics, promos from
Enthusiasts, because they too are Enthusiasts.

quercuscontramalum (http://quercuscontramalum.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Emergent Church Going Gay Lib. Brian McLaren's Son...":

Andy Stanley recently appeared on Joyce Meyer's program and stated the following,

"We can be who (sic) God made us to be. We don't have to shrink back from that. And that the roles in marriage, perhaps as they're traditionally portrayed, may not be an accurate snapshot of how God wants our giftedness to work in marriage."

It would be simple enough for a pastor to affirm that married couples may - in Christian liberty - decide which household duties best fit each other. However, Stanley places himself above Scripture, deciding which words don't mean what they mean.

"Yea, hath God said?"

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GJ - When slackers like Tim Glende, Ski, Jeff Gunn, and Rick Johnson slavishly copy the Emergent Church--with the blessing of their supervisors--they are just admitting their lack of faith in God's Word.

Anyone can read the statement above and realize Andy Stanley is so far up the National Council of Churches staircase that he can see the SynCon mission boards.

The gutlessness of the SynCon pastors has made my head spin, ever since 1987. One can see them shrinking every time a doctrinal topic comes up.

Do not be surprised that SynCon hero Herman Otten is now selling a bigoted anti-Luther book. Years ago he began selling Valleskey's Church Growth Halleluia Chorus...and UOJ primer.

Valleskey, as an anti-Luther bigot, was more dangerous than Otten's favorite Catholic priest, O'Hare.

Now things have regressed to the point where WELS can entertain the notion of adopting and promoting the New NIV.

Luther said that the Roman Empire tolerated every god except the One True God - Jesus. WELS discusses every possible translation except the best one, from Luther's own student - the King James Version.

The more the sacraments are watered down, as they are in the old and new NIV, the less people trust in the Word of God.

That is what the SynCon leaders want, so people trust in man's wisdom rather than God's. After all, man's wisdom can change on a moment's notice. God's wisdom does not.

Brian McLaren and Andy Stanley - The Heroes of Emergent Church Growth - Slavishly Followed by WELS, LCMS, ELS.AKA Missional or Becoming Missional

McCained from Wikipedia:

I don’t believe making disciples must equal making adherents to the Christian religion. It may be advisable in many (not all!) circumstances to help people become followers of Jesus and remain within their Buddhist, Hindu or Jewish contexts … rather than resolving the paradox via pronouncements on the eternal destiny of people more convinced by or loyal to other religions than ours, we simply move on … To help Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, and everyone else experience life to the full in the way of Jesus (while learning it better myself), I would gladly become one of them (whoever they are), to whatever degree I can, to embrace them, to join them, to enter into their world without judgment but with saving love as mine has been entered by the Lord (A Generous Orthodoxy, 260, 262, 264).

And....

"Even if we are convinced that all homosexual behavior is always sinful, we still want to treat gay and lesbian people with more dignity, gentleness, and respect than our colleagues do. If we think that there may actually be a legitimate context for some homosexual relationships, we know that the biblical arguments are nuanced and multilayered, and the pastoral ramifications are staggeringly complex. We aren't sure if or where lines are to be drawn, nor do we know how to enforce with fairness whatever lines are drawn."

And...

"Our interpretations reveal less about God or the Bible than they do about ourselves. They reveal what we want to defend, what we want to attack, what we want to ignore, what we're unwilling to question..." (A New Kind of Christian, 50)

Remember Rob Bell, the apostate "evangelist" who rejected Christian doctrine in Love Wins? McLaren defended Rob Bell - and why not? - McLaren teaches the same Universalism while denying he is a Universalist!

More of McLaren's ravings are quoted here.

Sound familiar WELS fans?

The Church Growth Movement, which was centered at Fuller Seminary (training ground for most LCMS, WELS, ELCA, and ELS leaders) has morphed or metastasized into Emergent Church/Becoming Missional.

ELCA pastors probably put up more fuss about Church Growth than the other Lutheran groups put together. They cross-referenced each other, too. They left ELCA in disgust and joined the Church of Rome, which also uses Church Growth methods. Justice! Neuhaus is a prime example of hating Church Growth, saying some good things against it (Ad Fontes Conference, attended by the Ichabods), and joining Rome.

But WELS and Missouri "conservatives" said nothing and did nothing while heavily promoting Church Growth and participating with ELCA in Church Growth projects like the Thrivent Church Membership Initiative.

By emasculating themselves, the "conservative" clergy and laity left the field wide open for the next stage of Church Growth - Emergent Church under such leaders as McLaren, Andy Stanley, and Mark Driscoll.


Emergent Church/Missional Characteristics

1. The parish avoids the denominational name and even the word "church" - as in The CORE, CrossWalk, CrossRoads.
2. The clergypersons (including women pastors) dress like they are going to change the oil in their jalopy, as if they dug the clothes out of the hamper or the rag bin.
3. No liturgy, sound hymns, or creeds in the service.
4. The sermon is replaced by a rant - cussing is really cool and edgy.
5. Music is loud, ecclesiatical rock.
6. Lighting is modeled after rock concert extravaganzas.
7. Doctrinal content is marketed as inclusive, but it is really covert Universalism, lacking the Law and making fun of faith (perfect for the UOJ Hive).
8. Cell groups are essential, mandated, but sound doctrine is a burden, an obstacle.
9. Pulpit views are consistently on the far Left on all social issues - in the name of love.

Andy Stanley and Ski - WELS The Core.
Ski, Tim Glende, and many other WELS disciples have attended Stanley worship conferences.
Gay activist Stanley has been a featured speaker at many Willow Creek conferences:
Missouri and WELS are deep into Willow Creek.
The Ichabods attended WC to observe and later to retch.
John Parlow is a WC disciple and Andy Stanley follower.

Ski posted his account of worship at the Drive conference for many years.
I copied most of it into this blog.
Here is what Stanley said about his gay outreach:
http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2012/05/mentor-to-ski-glende-parlow-buske-and.html

Kelmed from Ichabod at this link:

http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2012/05/drive-08-pastors-conference-north-point.html

WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:

WHO WENT THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW?

Pastor Ski - St. Marcus - Milwaukee

Pastor John Parlow - St. Mark - Depere

Pastor Jim Buske - Lighthouse Youth Center - Milwaukee

HOW LONG WERE WE THERE?

May 3rd - May 7th

WHERE WAS THE CONFERENCE?

North Point (Babtist) Church, Alpharetta, GA

FAVORITE PART OF THE CONFERENCE:

Final Main Session with Andy Stanley

FAVORITE BREAK OUT SESSION:

A Healthy Staff Culture

- Jeff Henderson

FAVORITE QUOTE FROM DRIVE ‘08

“Leaders don’t get people, they attract them”

- Andy Stanley

DRIVE ’08 JOURNAL

Whew!  Day 5, it has been a heck of a road trip.  Today was the last day.  As you can see it was jam packed.  Before I get into Day 5... Let me just say this, “We should have sat in traffic to go to the Brown Bridge Campus!”  Buske & I were bitter.  Remember that I had said John got frustrated sitting the parking lot for 30 minutes?  So we went to dinner & called it a night.  Well, on Day 5 they showed the video for what happened at Brown Bridge.  Sweet cookout, the food looked awesome, games and fellowship outside (without snow or cold, I might add) and then a surprise JEFF FOXWORTHY show.  Man, how are they gonna top that next year?

Anyway, Day 5.  It is kind of crazy, just when you think it can’t get any better, it does.  Well, sort of.  In the morning they had Q & As for different groups.  I went to one that was about linking adults into small group studies.  It was well done, but for me it is difficult because everyone is looking for concrete answers on how to solve their own personal small group issues.  Many of the questions didn’t apply for us at St. Marcus.  However, the leaders were great and had a ton of info.

My final breakout session was entitled Parental Guidance Required.  The leader was Clay Scroggins.  He kind of looked like Steve James (he’s a St. Marcus member, Steve that is) but he talked with a Texas drawl.  He was high energy.  Based on his presentation and his passion for kids, I imagine that he rocked it out with kids.  The gist of his session was that what happens in the home has a greater influence on the spiritual life of children than what happens at church.  Based on that it becomes imperative that parents & the church partner.  Here are the steps that North Point uses:

1. 1.Inform Parents - inform them about what is being taught to their children.
2. 2.Partner With Parents - invite parents to be in an environment with their children.
3. 3.Equip Parents - provide parents with the tools to assist in the spiritual development of their children.

Pretty good points and a really good session.  

After that session we broke for lunch.  John took off for the airport, so Buske and I were on our own.  That might sound a little scary, but it is true.

The final Main Session with Andy Stanley was just phenomenal.  We began with awesome worship.  Today though, they began with a Christian rapper, Toby Mac.  Our school kids would have loved it.  I’m not sure that they would have believed that it was church though.

When Andy began his session.  He started by saying that he was not going to follow his notes in the Drive ’08 Journal Book.  Instead he was going to do something that he called, “Recent Random Thoughts On Church Leadership.”  He shared 5 points and 5 takeaways.  I think that he was at his absolute best this afternoon.  Here are the 5 point & takeaways:

1. 1.To reach people no one else is reaching we must do things no one else is doing.

Takeaway - Become preoccupied with those you haven’t reached as opposed to those you keep.  This is easier said than done.

Wow, it seems so simple.  And yet so hard.

2. 2.The next generation product almost never comes from the previous generation.

Takeaway - Be a student not a critic.

What more can be said?  How do we approach things?  When things are different & involve change are we scared?  Do we criticize or do we look to learn and implement?

3. 3.What do I believe is impossible to do in my field?  But if it could be done it would fundamentally change my business.

Takeaway - Pay attention to the people who are breaking the rules.

Crazy sounding isn’t it?  We can fight technology and change, but in the end it will pass us and we will become archaic and irrelevant.  Not our Message, but the manner in which we present it.  Who would have ever thought texting would be as big as it is?  How about multi-site church?  Video church?  These are all things that have changed how we worship.

4. 4.If we got kicked out & the board brought in a new CEO what would they do?  Why shouldn’t we walk out the door & then come back in & do it ourselves?

Takeaway - Acknowledge what is NOT working & own up to why you are unwilling to change it.

Some thoughts on this - rarely does the church (in general) get concerned about change until they run out of money.  What if we asked some questions before it was too late?

1. a.What’s in decline?
2. b.Where are we manufacturing energy? In other words pretending something is important.  An example would be if I continued to say that Bible Study was important, but never attended.  I’m blowing hot air, “manufacturing energy.”  I don’t believe that anyone wants to stand behind that or get involved in something like that.
3. c.Finally, when are we going to unearth all underlying assumptions?  Sometimes, what we assume, is not the reality.  Are we willing to dig to find out the truth or are we happy with assuming? 
5. 5.When your memories exceed your dreams the end is near.

Takeaway - Don’t let success or momentum overshadow your vision.  Keep the out front.

How quickly can we be satisfied?  How often do we look at things and say, “Well, it’s not great but it is better than such and such church.” Scary, but we sometimes fool ourselves into thinking like this.  Some questions to ponder:

1. a.What the burden on your heart? (sic, yo)
2. b.What breaks your heart?

That was it.  After that Andy just ended and prayed for all the people there & for there ministries.  As you can see from the pictures above, Buske & I got to get a picture with Andy, pretty cool.  He is way down to earth.  His wife Sandra was there also and she is just great.  We actually got to talk to her a little more than Andy.  You also notice John with the North Point member who played Bender in one of their sermon series called “Twisted”.  The series was all about how Satan twists God’s Word.  Finally, there is a photo of Buske & Todd Fields.  I’m a little bitter about that one, but you’ll need to ask me why.

Thanks to everyone who read this while I was gone.  Be looking for some cool stuff that we will be implementing at St. Marcus, especially in Sunday Night.  Thanks also for all the patience.  Writing this thing mostly between 1 AM & 2 AM means that there are probably a ton spelling and grammar mistakes.  I can’t wait to see you guys on Sunday.  Check out the Picture Page for some added photos from Drive ’08.

I’m out!

The CORE, which is only an evening service,
has not grown at all in three years or more.

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Jeske connects all the dots.
He is all about Change
and all about Jeske.