Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Mark and Avoid Jeske Admires Mark and Avoid Drisco...":
"Nowhere is the connection between Driscoll’s hypermasculinity and his Calvinist theology clearer than in his refusal to tolerate opposition at Mars Hill...Mars Hill is not 16th-century Geneva, but Driscoll has little patience for dissent. In 2007, two elders protested a plan to reorganize the church that, according to critics, consolidated power in the hands of Driscoll and his closest aides. Driscoll told the congregation that he asked advice on how to handle stubborn subordinates from a 'mixed martial artist and Ultimate Fighter, good guy' who attends Mars Hill. 'His answer was brilliant,' Driscoll reported. 'He said, ‘'I break their nose.'’ When one of the renegade elders refused to repent, the church leadership ordered members to shun him. One member complained on an online message board and instantly found his membership privileges suspended. 'They are sinning through questioning,' Driscoll preached." -- New York Times, "Who Would Jesus Smackdown?", 01/06/2009
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Time To Tell the Truth at St. Peter, Freedom, Wisc...":
As a member of St. Peter, I have every confidence in the ministries of Pastor Glende and Pastor Ski. I would go to war for them, and trust that they have hearts for God and for sharing the good news of Jesus Christ and him crucified. I have been a faithful, active member there for many years, and would hold their ministry up to any kind of examination. If there is false doctrine there, let us examine it - all we get here is guilt by association, smears, leering comments and condemnation.
To see the scurilous (sic) things posted on your site, to see that you allow people to say things like "I heard..." and have very little attribution, and try to condemn men who are trying to lead the lost to eternal life, is shameful, but then you need to decide how you want to conduct yourself.
If you want to continue in believing that salvation and eternal life can only be achieved by worship circa 1970 or before, and that all things God breathed can only be found on pages 5 or 15 of the Lutheran Hymnal, so be it.
Pastor Christenson left because he wanted to become the lead pastor, and also because he was not comfortable in a setting with a 1,000 members as St. Peter currently is. You may want to cast aspersions and try to make more of this then there is, if so, have at it. The truth does not live on this website, so you probably won't want to start now.
Maybe if you tried to enrich and engage the loveliness of the saving message of the gospel, instead of acting like wannabe Pharisees, you might have some positive effect on the kingdom. But that is not who you are - you will probably not even have the courage or intellectual guts to allow a comment like this here for others to consider.
No one at St. Peter or the CORE is criticizing traditional WELS worship or its practices, and our Thursday evening and early Sunday morning service are tradional (sic). It just is so curious to me why so many who hold to the tradiotional (sic) methods of worship find the need to criticize other forms of worship.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Seattle's Mark Driscoll":
"No one at St. Peter or the CORE is criticizing traditional WELS worship or its practices"
Baloney! Every church growther I have heard from says that the traditional worshiping/practicing Lutherans are the reason for the demise of the WELS and are getting in the way of saving souls. Open your eyes! None of this happens in a vacuum.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Seattle's Mark Driscoll":
"No one at St. Peter or the CORE is criticizing traditional WELS worship or its practices"
Baloney! Every church growther I have heard from says that the traditional worshiping/practicing Lutherans are the reason for the demise of the WELS and are getting in the way of saving souls. Open your eyes! None of this happens in a vacuum.
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GJ - A constant in all Church Growth/Emerging Church presentations is the mockery of real worship as boring, ineffective, and standing in the way of real progress. I will dust off my Rick Miller (WELS) quotes to show how hoary with age those claims are.
Beside - Ski, Glende, Katie, Buske, Parlow, Patterson, and many others have a need to renew their Enthusiasm constantly through Schwaermer training. How telling it is that Ski flew down to Atlanta for Babtist Andy Stanley, only to run into Dan Deutschlander, who thought Ski was going to hear him speak. That gives new meaning to "mark and avoid" in WELS. Mark and avoid a Lutheran while posing giddily with a Babtist.
Glende got his initial training or influence from Floyd Luther Stolzenburg, who was kicked out of the LCMS ministry and hired to be a Church Growth consultant for WELS in Columbus, Ohio. Stolzenburg landed at St. Paul, German Village, where Glende's parents worked.
