Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "More Humor from Joe Krohn (Patterson's Buddy) and ...":
I like your blog, it's very informative and witty.
It seems like the C&C saps creativity and style from it's followers; they always sound so 'hackneyed'.
That metaphor you use, "Church from Scratch"? That pretty much sums up the whole church growth movement.
I would know, I've been in one.
I look forward to your next post.
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GJ - Doebler began a ChurchFromScratch.net website where he lauded all the Church Growth heroes. I looked up the content of his initial website and commented upon it, pointing out that "Old Scratch" is a common nickname for Satan. The old URL switches to the Rock and Roll link. Try it out, where I linked it that way above.
The Rock and Roll Church is a boil on Patterson's backside. He has defended it and promoted it. The Conference of Pussycats met at Patterson's church and found no sin in Doebler shamelessly copying Schwaermer worship and sermons.
After all the money has been spent--$50,000 on a full-time female assistant alone --they have only a handful at their weekly entertainment gatherings.
Doebler thought their salvation depended on a $200,000 grant from the Antioch Foundation - for a worship leader! They still got $20,000. And they have one little web page with a map. They do not even have a title on their home page file, so the browser just announces the browser name. Tim, Joe, Stetzer - help Doebler out.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Church From Scratch - Doebler's Metaphor - Not Min...":
Imitation without understanding why something works generally results in failure. C&C is too lazy or ignorant to even grasp this concept. That being said, why would anyone want to follow them?
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GJ - But wait. Bishop Katie went to the Dirt Conference to find out exactly how it works. Oh, I get it. She also went to Granger, two Drives, maybe Catalyst, Story.
I think you are right.
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Church From Scratch - Doebler's Metaphor - Not Min...":
My LWMS group was hood-winked into giving mission offerings to Doebler's church. Oh the equipment they needed to greatly enrich their services! I sure hope the instruments(sorry, I mean equipment) were in fine working order.
My pastor, and neighboring pastors, were lead to believe that Christ The Rock was "innocently implementing a contemporary service." Not so innocent when you have Patterson the C&Cer leading the way.
"I want my money back!"
disclaimer-Yes, Patterson has a family. Yes, it is Christmas time.
Why is he buddies with Gurgel? Think about it dude! Just think about it! And do not forget the C&C conference and Exponential.
In Christ,
from WELS church lady
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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Church From Scratch - Doebler's Metaphor - Not Min...":
The South Central Babtist district is the red-headed step-child of the Southeastern Wisconsin District. Bishop Glaeske shakes his head as Patterson guides the CG movement. With Gurgle in the fold you'll see Patterson's grant writing increase as the synod debt grows larger.
The above poster is right: Wake UP!
It amazes me how Gurgle ran the confessionals out of the WELS yet the Changers still remain.?
