California on the KJVs

California:

You said it well, when you said, "The various KJV's imagine they have the license to make continuous changes to their language, I know the NKJV has done that".

Dave P. asked, "Do you have any objection to NKJV or any modern English translations based on the same texts?"   The question assumes that  the publishers of the likes of NKJV actually have carried out their claims of following the samemanuscript evidence as the KJV, but in reality they make exceptions and deviate in bits and pieces.   (Matthew 28:19)   Bible publishing these days is monetarily competitive business, almost as much so as women's fashions and the latest tech toy.  Publishers whose bottom lines depend on numbers of units sold, must keep churning out something new and different to remain in business.   

One means of doing that  to compete with other bible publishers is  to periodically come out with the entirely new and innovative .  That appeals to the itching eyes and ears of those who have already abandoned the KJV long ago.

Another useful approach  is to keep the more recent  "runaways from KJV"  (a generation or so)  in their publishing house camp, by publishing revisions of their best sellers, and revisions of revisions to come.   That is the second market to retain. 

But what market has yet to be corralled?  The refuseniks, the resistors, those who haven't taken the bait, and cling to the time tested, reliable KJV.

They won't jump from KJV to NIV and certainly not a NNIV, but if they can be enticed to take that first step away from the KJV, the marketers have achieved two things.  Tapping a market which hasn't responded to the New of everything, but more importantly, they will have succeeded in getting the last holdouts to make that step.   

A next step will be easier and the next and the next......until KJV is all but extinguished.  They can continue to plagiarize the KJV title while the gradual weaning of the last of them away from KJV and family of manuscript evidence Luther and KJV translators used is accomplished.   The Devil will rejoice.

That having been accomplished, who can trust any so-called version, with even what I call the "bridge" bibles (from KJV to the great unknown) versions sure to come in even more rapid succession.    For as you  correctly observed, "The various KJV's imagine they have the license to make continuous changes to their language......".  Why bother with taking the "bridge" when one can simply "leap" directly to NNIIV and any of the other current New Translations and the ones which are sure to follow in short order.   Save the publishers all that trouble to court the KJV holdouts by publishing NKJV and "cousins".   

Bottom line in more ways than one....doesn't anyone wonder why no publisher has published a revision of the KJV which only does some updating of obscure words and nothing more? 

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GJ - Maybe the KJV 21st Century has done that, California, making very minor adjustments. But your points are valid. The modernized KJV efforts have filled that market and also made a lot of Baptists happy by getting rid of the Means of Grace in the original recipe KJV. 

The 21st Century one will also sell, but the niche is filled and (my guess) that one will not make a difference.

Lutherans could have jolted the industry by doing exactly what California suggested, putting their money behind it. But that is why WELS excommunicated her - for having a brain and using it.

Anonymous Accusations - At Least Kudu Don Patterson Signed His Email

Luther Bunker wants his UOJ.

Luther Bunker has left a new comment on your post "An Anonymous Claim Without Support":

Your duplicity is shocking. You condemn other bloggers for manipulating their blogs by shunning and non-publishing comments. And then you do the same here and say you publish all comments. You are a fool and a liar.

Again, redemption is not regeneration. 

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GJ - The UOJ fanatics from WELS are dense. They cannot comprehend English, so how can they grasp Greek?

I said, repeatedly, that I let most comments pass through - not all of them. Most and all are different words. But UOJ dolts think some and all are the same words. That is why they love their New NIV, which adds an all to deliver their favorite dogma.

Luther Bunko wants a free ride from a blog with 2 to 3 thousand page-views a day, but he wants to enjoy publishing without responsibily.

DP Kudu Don Patterson sent me an email using the same language, but he signed it. WELS clergy are verbally abusive and easily offended by the truth, an unpleasant combination.



From a pastor Ichabod post

Kudu Don Patterson, Stealth Church and Chicanery leader, with Robert Timmerman. The zebra is playing possum in hopes of getting away.

Hey, Greg,

I am not a part of Church and Change Leadership. I went to one conference a few years ago and had my own reservations. Also, Robert Timmerman does not serve as a church council pres at our church. You are lying on your blog.

Don
Donald Patterson
kududon@gmail.com
12-10-08
subject: Don't be a fool

sent to BethanyLutheranWorship@gmail.com

Patterson denied being a Church and Changer,
but attended their "last" conference.
He also participated in the C and C list-serve discussions,
oozing the comment "pure gold" when John Lawrenz wrote.

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GJ - I don't look at my gmail very often, as readers can see. Someone could have created a gmail account and sent this. In fact, one of his cronies could have. I looked up "kudu" and found this site. So I think Kudu Don Patterson sent the email.


The African kudu.

This email does remind me of typical WELS evasion tactics -avoid the main point and call someone a liar on a trivial, debatable matter.

Does VP Patterson soak up synod money by asking for grants to pay for his vicars? Yes.

Does VP Patterson support Rock and Roll Church? Yes.

Did VP Patterson take Chad White (on his parish staff) and others to the Exponential Conference? Yes.

Did Stelljes, son of a member of Holy Word, also attend that pan-denominational conference? Yes.

Did other WELS workers attend that conference? Yes.

Was Brother Stetzer a featured speaker at Exponential? Yes.

Was Babtist Stetzer hired to speak to Church and Change's 2009 conference soon after? Yes.

Did Church and Change start lying about Stetzer? Yes - so much that one of my sources got rattled about whether it was true or not. I posted three separate proofs that Stetzer was hired in August - all from Stetzer himself. It was up to Church and Change to prove otherwise. SP Schroeder said Stetzer is an issue, so who is lying?

Is Timmerman a leader at Patterson's church? Yes. Timmerman is also on the WELS governing board. (I am not the parish or synodical secretary, so terms of office are not in my job description.) If Patterson wants to pretend Timmerman is not involved in Church and Change, as he also pretends - many know otherwise. Does he want to suggest Timmerman, who must bankroll the African safaris, is not a parish leader?

So, is Patterson a stealth leader of Church and Change?

He galloped after Stetzer, even to the point of organizing a pilgrimage of Patterson parrots to Exponential.

He was a study leader at a Church and Change conference, which means they thoroughly vetted him for his Church Growth doctrinal standards (that is: anti-Lutheran to the core).

His odious network is definitely on the side of Church and Change, defiantly so.Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":

Good for Patterson. You lie and tell half-truths all the time, mostly to make yourself look good.

[GJ - Confidential to Joe - I don't think you should post anonymously when Patteson arranges for Rock and Roll to have more grant money. Conflict of interest and all that. Does it bother you that he took a crew to hear Brother Stetzer and a bunch of false teachers at Exponential?]

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GJ - What was your name? I didn't catch it.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":

Ignore Don's jackals.



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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":

I'm glad that you can make such sweeping inferences about someone, especially when some of your bellowing is patently false... although that matters not to you. Well guess what Greg? Because of your half-truths, your carelessness and your downright vile-ness, most of us care little about you except to pray for your soul. That is the Christian thing to do, No, wait, I'm sure that is way too pietistic for you because it would mean to show concern for someone. Well, we'll keep praying for you (and all the others you are fomenting hatred within) and you enjoy your little self-serve perish (that wasn't a typo).

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GJ - Don's jackals care so little that they stop by every day to bite and chew. Too bad they are toothless. I would be bitter and angry too - if I spent my career promoting Babtist theology...if I ended ended up with a non-pastor (Ed Stetzer) as guest speaker, a hot-air merchant so pathetic he has to claim "two doctorates" (false) and "two master's degrees" (so what) on every bio.

Church and Chicanery is losing ground. All they have to offer is a pack of lies. The trouble with the first set of deceptions is that they need another set to cover for them.

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More information is coming soon!

For months they have claimed - More information is coming soon. They need to wake up the webmaster or tell the truth about Stetzer.

Joe Krohn, one of their ovine followers, could not get the truth from them on their own list-serve.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "WELS VP Calls Me a Fool and a Liar":

When did he call you a fool?

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GJ - When? The subject line of the email. I am not offended, but pleased. The feathers fly when the arrow reaches the mark. VP Patterson's behavior is typical of WELS Church Growth leaders. They do not repent and apologize - they accuse and slander and deceive. That is why I call the headquarters buildings The Love Shack - since most of the drones there talk love, and conversion via love, but exhibit nothing but spite and hated.

Lutheran Schools versus a Jewish School

bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod - Synod Board...":

Jewish college succeeds where LCMS's Concordia-Ann Arbor fails, despite the Lutheran population of Michigan being many times the size of the Jewish population.

Ann Arbor is only 10 miles west of the Detroit metropolitan area where the Jewish college is located.

Ann Arbor recently had to merge with Concordia-Mequon, which is now a dual campus.

The Jewish college started from scratch in 2006, and in 2010 it already had $3 million in assets and a 40-acre campus. It's main source of revenue is federal Pell Grants! Meanwhile, Concordia-Ann Arbor started earlier, and was subsidized by the synod, got the same Pell Grants, and yet failed.

I suppose like most colleges, Ann Arbor gave full and half scholarships to sons and daughters of wealthy families based on academic performance, and charged poorer students full price, also based on academic performance. Every school does it and they all wonder why schools have financial challenges. Surprise! Now poorer Americans now have $1+ trillion in student loan debt. As with most things in America, means testing is anathema, and this leads to catestrophic systemic problems when the class of the poor expands and can't pay their mortgage, need food stamps, qualify for Medicaid, etc. Also, it lead to the growing class wealth divide as measured by the GINI Index. If there is a student loan fix, I hope Congress demands that colleges stop letting the rich students attend free while charging the poorer students full price.
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Chabad College in Michigan Gets Building Go-Ahead: Fueled by Federal Funding, 16,0000 Square Feet, but Just 3 Degrees

http://forward.com/articles/170106/chabad-college-in-michigan-gets-building-go-ahead/

For many years, MJI catered mainly to a small number of part-time students studying towards vocational degrees in business and computers. However, as the Forward revealed last fall, the college and its finances have swelled rapidly as it transitioned to offer courses in Judaic Studies and particularly as it expanded online.

Its student body has grown from about 200 students in 2004 to about 2,000 students today. During the past five years, MJI students collected almost $25 million in federal Pell grants designed for low-income students.

Between 2006 and 2010, MJI’s net income increased from $89,000 to $850,000. It ended 2010 with almost $3 million in assets.

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An Anonymous Claim Without Support

Luther Bunko has left a new comment on your post "Another Foolish Argument from Luther Bunko":

"The word Trinity is absent from the Bible, but the concept is found throughout the Bible, from Genesis 1 to the end."

And so the words Objective Justification are absent from the Bible, but the concept is found throughout the Bible as well as the BoC. Mankind is redeemed because of the Atonement as the BoC claims under the SD under election. To deny this limits mankind's redemption and therefore limits the atonement.