Monday, November 7, 2022

Some Reflections about Seminex - The Faux-Exit from Concordia Seminary, St. Louis



The Seminexers did not "walk out." They just walked around and came back.

Nobody died. Seminexers either got back into the LCMS or joined the LCA/ALC as pastors. Some of them took their parishes out of the LCMC and into the LCA or ALC.


This is far too funny - histrionics from insincere actors. They risked nothing and their big drama was a flop, a lump of lead that poisoned the future ELCA - 1987 and 2009. ELCA made John Tietjen the Chicago bishop. He quit immediately because he demanded a female Seminex assistant. Hmm.

Watch the numbers collapse at all the seminaries, Lutheran included.

The hyped Seminex break was the result of John Tietjen (new St. Louis president) using his media contacts to make the so-called exile a national religious news story.

I am three out of four here, having met Jack Preus, Robert Marshall, and David Preus, a cousin to Jack and Robert.


Jack Preus was the new LCMS president, and he played the conservative knight on a white horse, even though he had much in common with the LCMS liberals.

The Objective Justification that  Jungkuntz (WELS, then LCMS, then ALC) taught was no different from the Universalism that ELCA taught. Jungkuntz was kicked out of WELS for revealing his love for the apostate historical-critical method (ditto Gehrke, WELS, kicked out first). But WELS was already promoting the NIV, which is based on rejecting the KJV and Majority Text in favor of the historical-critical method in editing the Greek text. (Example - Westcott-Hort erased "Son of God" from Mark 1:1, in their secretly published Greek New Testament. I own a copy, if you care to deny Mark 1:1.)




Jack Preus promoted Martin Chemnitz and let the liberals tangle themselves up about Jonah and the whale, JEDP, and Barth/Bultmann. His brother Robert Preus was a fanatic Objective Justification advocate until he published his book Justification and Rome, a posthumous repudiation of OJ.

 WELS-ELS-LCMS got this completely wrong, by teaching justification is the same as the Atonement.



If we look seriously at all these who taught and jousted during their peak years, they were no more Lutheran than any Calvinist. They simply argued the liberal versus conservative sides of the Geneva hoodwinker. They did NOT teach Justification by Faith, but - in the Preus, Gehrke,  and Jungkuntz cases - a pathetic Pietist pot of Universalism, 
  • World absolution without faith in Jesus Christ, called
  • General Justification
  • Justification of the World
  • Objective Justification, and
  • Universal Objective Justification
No Lutheran entity can last long without falling prey to Calvinistic rationalism, denial of the efficacy of the Word, and rejection of the Means of Grace. That is why WELS-ELS-LCMS-CLC(sic) are no less apostate than ELCA, and also why they all work together through Thrivent Insurance and Abortion Promotions.

PS - The Lutheran patriarchs I knew and spoke with were:
  1. Conrad Bergendoff, Augustana College and Seminary President,
  2. Robert Marshall, LCA President
  3. James Crumley, LCA President
  4. Herb Chilstrom, ELCA Bishop
  5. Robert Preus, Ft. Wayne President
  6. Jack Preus, LCMS President
  7. Kurt Marquart, Ft. Wayne Professor
  8. David Scaer, Ft. Wayne Professor
  9. Pastors Peter Preus and Klemet Preus
  10. Waldo Werning, LCMS-WELS-ELS
  11. Jack Cascione, Cascione Synod nee LCMS
  12. WAM II, Ft. Wayne Professor [character assassination and slander from the Preus brothers and David Scaer because he taught Justification by Faith!]
  13. David Valleskey, WELS Seminary President and Fuller student
  14. Wayne Mueller, WELS CG denier
  15. Father John Neuhaus, one of the few on this list making fun of Church Growth - but not exactly a Lutheran
  16. Pastor Herman Otten, who played both sides of Church Growth and Objective Justification
  17. John Johnson, President, Concordia St. Louis












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