Thursday, March 7, 2019

Education for WELS World Mission Partners - We Know That ELCA Is a Degenerate Sect from the Posts on ELCA Exposed, So Let's Take a Photo Test: ELCA or WELS?

Photo 1 - Gay Ministry - ELCA or WELS?

 Photo 2 - High school boys dressed as girls, wearing makeup. ELCA or WELS?

Photo 3 - College men vamping as girls, ELCA or WELS?

 Photo 4 - College men plagiarizing a gay video (Fire Island Pines), acknowledging it and denying it. ELCA or WELS?

 Photo 5 - Attending a rock worship festival hosted by a gay advocate. ELCA or WELS?

 Photo 6 - The pastor and council members dress as women and the children put makeup on the men. ELCA or WELS?

Photo 7 - Staff convicted for child porn photos and video swapping, many stored at denominational headquarters. ELCA or WELS?

Photo 8 - Changes from male to female at the denomination's Lutheran college. ELCA or WELS?


 Photo 9 - Convicted as a sex offender while a district official, featured afterwards in the denomination's college magazine. ELCA or WELS?
Photo 10 - Uses beer to draw members. Hates to use "Lutheran" in the church name. Fuller alumnus. ELCA or WELS?
 ***

GJ - Answer - all ten are WELS, not ELCA.

We Love Hilarious False Teachers - They Energize Blogs, Delight Laity by Taking Away Their Fleece and Baring Their Lupine Fangs




Pastor Rolf David Preus (Rolf)
Senior Member
Username: Rolf

Post Number: 10215
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2019 - 8:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

I am not convinced that Becker taught a different doctrine than Walther, Marquart, Robert Preus, the CTCR and Buchholz. The LCMS and the WELS teach the same [gangrenous] dogma. Hale does a fine job of showing where ELDoNA, Jackson, and others [like my Dad in Justification and Rome] err.
Pastor Rolf David Preus
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

David Jay Webber (Djw)
Advanced Member
Username: Djw

Post Number: 989
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2019 - 8:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Rolf, don't you have to admit that Becker, and especially Meyer, did not always express themselves well with respect to certain important aspects of this doctrine? My endorsing of Buchholz's essay includes my endorsing of his criticisms of the poorly-chosen and misleading expressions that were sometimes used by WELS writers in earlier decades.
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Pastor Rolf David Preus (Rolf)
Senior Member
Username: Rolf

Post Number: 10216
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 02, 2019 - 8:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

They did not always express themselves well. You're right. Meyer's words in his 2 Corinthians commentary were poorly chosen. Becker has been criticized for what he wrote when he tried to put the best construction on the Kokomo theses. Maybe he shouldn't have tried, but as I read what Becker wrote, I don't find him teaching anything wrong. He did point out where the Kokomo statements were off.
Pastor Rolf David Preus
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message

Steve Schmidt (Sschmidt)
Intermediate Member
Username: Sschmidt

Post Number: 489
Registered: 3-2017
Posted on Thursday, March 07, 2019 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/djw/JustificationObje ctiveSubjectiveMarquart.pdf

Reviewing the bibliography takes one to this 1872 Synodical Conference essay on Justification by Walther, in my estimation the best thing he ever wrote. Hopefully, CPH's Walther's Works series will include a volume entitled "Justification," with this piece, which answers every question about Lutheranism anyone might ever have.

A Tour de Farce in "Conservative" Lutherdom.
Tactics Used by the Objective Justification Calvinists.
Hale Book Review Proves My Case

 The official teaching of the Holy Spirit is found throughout the Bible, and is stated with great clarity in Romans 3 - 5.
 Ask the OJists to say these words above without spitting up. They cannot. John Sparky Brenner says - "individual appropriation of sin." He likes to write about the "Justification of the World" - without faith.

 Read this slowly and carefully, because this Chief Article includes Luther, Melanchthon, and Chemnitz.


I have experienced and heard about many tactics used by the Objective Justification Stormtroopers for decades. I will review them below. Note that they never say, "You believe in Justification by Faith, and we reject it." Those words are never spoken. Reasons are given below.

"You have abandoned the teaching of our synod, the lessons taught by your professors."
This has been used in the WELS, the tiny Orthodox Lutheran Conference, and the LCMS. We should ask why they are teaching error, especially because WELS and Missouri taught Justification by Faith in their catechisms, until the OJists took over.

Matt the Fatt Harrison cannot avoid sounding like a pope when he writes about "the official teachings of the Lutheran Church" (i.e. the Missouri Synod). At the last LCMS conclave, they voted to expel any pastor who discussed doctrine outside of his official role. That revealed the efforts of the crypto-Jesuit McCain, who has never served as a pastor and has proven to be incompetent in his high-priced jobs.

 The Dogma-tanic and the new, enormous Small Catechism make OJ/SJ the official Calvinistic teaching of the LCMS. Pathetic - even more disgraceful than the CPH Here I Stand socks.


"You Reject Objective Justification!"
They do not say - "You teach the Chief Article of the Christian Faith, which we hate."

The OJists cannot say the words - Justification by Faith. They pretend to by saying, "Oh that's Subjective Justification." But by tossing in their terms, they are saying - agreeing with OJ. That is what SJ always means, which is contrary to faith in Christ. SJ is factually and precisely "agreeing with the concept of OJ - world absolution (Universalism)."

They are lying when they pretend OJ is the Atonement and SJ is Justification by Faith. Opposing the Chief Article is their passion, and they are happy to accomplish that by replacement - replacing Justification by Faith with SJ and dividing everything in the Bible into OJ and SJ, two sides of the same rotten, slimy apple.

Mark Zarling and Frosty Bivens (both WELS) are so lacking in honesty that they call their precious OJ "the Chief Article" and apply the descriptions of Justification by Faith to OJ - the Master,  the Prince, the Judge of all Articles, the Article on Which the Church Stands or Falls.  Galling yes - but the deception is unnoticed by the timid shepherds of the Wisconsin Sect.

 SJ is definitely not Justification by Faith.
---

And now a brief pause for a review - a book about Objective Justification. Observe the language -

"I attended Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne from 1979–1983, when the waters were being roiled by those denying the teaching of objective justification. Papers were written, pamphlets published, and even professors were accused and defended. It was all very painful. It’s still unpleasant, but it’s a necessary pain to bear as the very Gospel itself is at stake in the doctrine of objective justification. Rev. Hale’s book addresses this subject in a way and to a depth no other book I have read on the subject does. He answers the deniers, as well as asking and answering questions that reveal the many faceted aspects of this jewel of a doctrine..."

Reviewing the Hale book on OJ.

---

"You Are a Calvinist"
Nothing betrays their ignorance more that this accusation, which is slanderous and stupid. What do OJists and Calvinists have in common - bypassing the Means of Grace, the Word and Sacraments.

How does forgiveness come to OJists and Calvinists? Answer - it just does, without any Biblical support for their claim. Edward Preuss, backed by Robert Preus, Paul the Plagiarist McCain and Jack B. Simple Cascione, stated - We are born forgiven! (Does that explain the lying, the intrigue, the backstabbing of OJists, especially among their own kind? Yes!)

 Pre-orders have started. Send an email with your address and phone number to greg.jackson.edlp@gmail.com
The ELS likes SJ - "must accept by faith the general absolution pronounced" (where exactly?)

"You Are Making Faith a Work!"
Nothing has harmed the LCMS more than Walther's sick aversion to Biblical faith.

Faith is never a work in the Bible - because God creates faith through the Gospel Promises, beginning with Abraham in Genesis 15:6 (never quoted by the useful idiots of OJdom).
These weavers of dark webs contrast grace and faith, showing they have never read Romans 4 with comprehension.
Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
 Cascione, McCain, and Jay Webber loved this baloney because it is cited by Robert Preus, but they refused - like Rolf - to acknowledge Bob's change of heart in Justification and Rome. 

Making WAM II a Pariah
The hatred for Justification by Faith - when it was an opportune moment, at least - led the Righteous Brothers, Jack and Bob Preus, to make Walter A. Maier II a pariah in the LCMS.

My only criticism of WAM II's essays (one a summary of the longer one) is this - He was too defensive, too eager to keep writing grace, grace, grace when the error was on the Preus-Walther side.


The Preus Crime Family owes WAM II a profound apology, and Herman Otten even more so. Otten participated in the beat-down and yet published his own book on Dr. Walter A. Maier. If you read that book, as I have, you will see that that the only mention of Justification inside is brief. More in that chapter is about Billy Graham. But on the back of that book, which I own (signed copy, Herman Otten to someone) is posted just below. Does anyone have a conscience in the LCMS?

This is scanned from the Maier book published by Otten, who used the same cover photo as one on the book by Paul Maier.