Thursday, August 29, 2019

ELCA Has Determined That Jesus Is NOT the Only Way of Salvation,
But the Jeske Crime Family Moves On Anyway



WELS Discussions on Facebook

Scott Kruz shared a link.
You may not like what's happening to our worship life and theology but you don't have a choice. You see, my friends, even our very own WELS pastors attend Change or Die and will be sitting at the feet of the apostate ELCA ministerium as well. It's clear they've "learned" from them in the past and have no qualms about doing so in the future.
Personally, I'm praying for an early death.




Change and Die! Speakers, LCMS, ELCA

2019 Change and Die! Speakers

Rev. Dr. Dale A. Meyer

Rev. Dr. Dale A. Meyer

Rev. Dr. Dale A. Meyer is the president of Concordia Seminary, St. Louis. President Meyer has been speaking and preaching for more than 40 years and his areas of interest and study include 1 Peter, the church in a changing culture, and the Sabbath applied to life today.
Rev. Heidi Neumark

Rev. Heidi Neumark

Rev. Heidi Neumark is a founding member of South Bronx Churches, an ecumenical community organizing group that trained local leaders, built hundreds of low-cost homes, and established a top-ranked public high school.
Evil Steering Committee
Rev. Walter Baires, ELCA South Central Synod of Wisconsin
Rev. D.Min. Bruce Becker, WELS, Time of Grace Ministry
Rev. Heidi Borkenhagen, ELCA Grace Lutheran Church, Grafton
Michelle Burmeister, Siebert Lutheran Foundation
Gretchen Jameson, Concordia University
Charlotte John-Gomez, Siebert Lutheran Foundation
Rev. D.Min. John Parlow, WELS, St. Mark Lutheran Church, De Pere
Rev. Randy Raasch, First Immanuel Lutheran Church, Cedarburg
Rev. Matthew Short, ELCA Greater Milwaukee Synod
Rev. Tom Wink, Retired, Shepherd of the Hills Lutheran Church, Pewaukee


  • Pam Bain Seriously? “Rev. Neumark is the author of "Breathing Space: A Spiritual Journey in the South Bronx" and SHE will talk about ways to engage your ministry in the reality around you and how to *****organize the community to build up leadership and createSee More
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  • Sam Novak If there should be any dialogue, it should be between WELS and LCMS devoting themselves to the preservation of Lutheran confessionalism and Christian orthodoxy.
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  • Bernardo Cueto I agree with your post, but what do you mean by “praying for an early death”?
    • Scott Kruz Nothing makes sense. The arms of Jesus are far superior to the tentacles of the collectivist-left religion.
  • Jeffrey Basch how about restoring the TLH hymnal and the historical lectionary?
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  • Lee Liermann So Pastor's can attend a conference to learn from someone with which we are not in fellowship and from someone whom we would not recognize as a Pastor but the poor layman shouldn't even pray say at the dinner table with a family member who might be LCMSee More
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  • Cathy Kivela I had read some ‘end of the ages’ type books and was pretty much told by a pastor to steer clear of anything not coming from Wels....he also said most lay people cannot discern the biblical truth from fiction....needless to say, I was not happy with him.
  • Jeffery Clark Not just attend!

    Rev. Dr. John Parlow, St. Mark Lutheran Church, De Pere
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    • Joe Jewell Plus:

      Rev. Dr. Bruce Becker, Time of Grace Ministry
    • Scott Kruz Wow! These men will be continue to be quite successful as they continue to align themselves with this organization and its goals. It's really amazing to watch, isn't it?
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  • Joe Jewell And lest we leave the LCMS out of it, they got the *president* of Concordia Seminary to speak at this thing?!
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  • Zachary Semmann Even from a practical perspective, why would we want to discuss anything with a church body that is hemorrhaging members? ELCA churches, whether they change or not, close practically every day.
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  • Thomas Alan He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
    Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
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  • Justin Heise I know more than one admin has already replied to this post, but isn't this an opportunity to bash? "Bashing is a harsh, gratuitous, prejudicial statement with no intent to constructively contribute to a discussion on the merits and faults of something or someone in an intelligible (or articulate) way." 

    That's all this post is. Shouldn't the admins remove this? No one is discussing whether this is good or bad, what is good or bad, etc. Everyone is just bashing those who have organized this or who might attend. Why isn't this being removed?
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    • Scott Kruz Justin, not bashing at all.
    • Scott Kruz But I do get your point. Imagine if you agreed with this apostasy and all you wanted was to denigrate those who were making obvious what was happening by bringing it into the light? You would, of course, make baseless accusations of "bashing".
    • Justin Heise It's exactly bashing, that's why I quoted the rules in the sidebar. You made a prejudicial statement with no intent to contribute to a discussion. You just wanted to point out how wrong these people are. 

      A discussion would point out the positives or 
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    • Scott Kruz They are welcome to delete the post. This whole world is going to hell anyway, so why bother exposing what is happening as church bodies fornicate with each other at ecumenical conferences that serve to promote the views of an apostate ministeirum?
    • Scott Kruz Oh, and please have someone execute me for the sin of "bashing". I can't exist in a non-sensical world run by pro-collectivist thugs.



No! - Useless, Useless, and Useless.


The Actual ELCA Report

”ELCA Churchwide Assembly rejects statement that Jesus is the only way of salvation
The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America at its recent Churchwide Assembly adopted an inter-faith policy that asserts there are “limits of our knowing” the way to God the Father. One voting member challenged the apparent universalist language and called on his fellow Lutherans to affirm Jesus' statement of John 14:6 that He is the only way of salvation.
Here is the report of what happened from the Institute on Religion and Democracy:
As a large group of ecumenical and inter-religious guests stood on the assembly stage, Chair of the ad hoc inter-religious task force committee, Bishop Patricia J. Lull of the Saint Paul Area Synod, presented a hearing report to the assembly. She acknowledged a proposed recommendation called a section of the policy statement “inconsistent with Scripture.”
The amendment was submitted by voting member Zachary Johnson of the ELCA’s Northwestern Minnesota Synod. Johnson proposed lines 630-655, titled “Limits on our knowing,” from the policy statement be struck from the declaration. Those lines read:
"The Lutheran tradition offers other reasons for caution about our claims to know. Luther said that no human could know another person’s relationship with God. What that person says or does gives us clues, but, ultimately, we cannot see into someone else’s heart (Luther, Bondage of the Will). Similarly, Luther insisted that we cannot know the inner workings of God. God has revealed God’s attitude toward us, overall purpose, and character, but the inner workings of God remain hidden. Hence, we must be careful about claiming to know God’s judgments regarding another religion or the individual human beings who practice it.
And:
There is another reason for caution. As mentioned above, the Lutheran tradition has understood the word “faith” to mean trust rather than affirming beliefs. Hence, we also must be careful not to judge our neighbors only on the basis of their religious beliefs, as they may or may not tell us much about how our neighbors relate to God. There is no substitute for exploring together what matters most to others and to us. The full story of the relationship between our neighbor and God is beyond our knowledge, and even our calling. In the context of inter-religious relations, we do not need answers to these questions in order to treat one another with love and respect, find ways to cooperate for the sake of the larger community, practice hospitality, or witness to the good news of God’s love, forgiveness, and new life in Christ. All we know, and all we need to know, is that our neighbors are made in God’s image and that we are called to love and serve them."
Johnson’s challenge recalled Jesus’ words in John chapter 14 verse 6, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
“We have a clear statement from Jesus, who is fully God and fully man,” Johnson’s proposed amendment read. “We do therefore have a basis to know God’s views on religions that do not require faith in Jesus Christ as God’s son.”
According to Lull, the concerns raised by Johnson were discussed by the ad hoc committee. The committee ultimately declined to forward the amendment to the assembly because, as Lull explained, the policy’s text “undergirds a posture of curiosity and humility” as the ELCA seeks to “learn from and engage” their inter-religious neighbors.
Undeterred, Johnson then made a motion to amend from the floor. “I am here to speak truth to power, even if it is an inconvenient truth,” Johnson said during his address of the motion. “I would urge this assembly to repudiate and repent of any false teachings.”
Pastor Jennifer Chrien (Southwest California Synod) spoke against the amendment, saying, “Frankly I am embarrassed that we are having this conversation right now in front of all of our inter-faith guests.”
She continued, “Our God is big enough for our family to include all of these interfaith siblings. Our God is big enough to admit that we do not know everything there is to know.”
Johnson’s motion to amend was overwhelmingly defeated. The policy statement was adopted with 97.48% voting in favor.
Video of Thursday evening’s plenary is available below. The controversy begins at about 1:19:20.
My comment: If the ELCA is no longer willing to say that Jesus is the only way of salvation, especially in front of invited guests from non-Christian religions who need Christ's saving Gospel, the ELCA is no longer a Lutheran denomination. The Lutheran Church has always taught that we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), by Christ alone (John 14:6, Acts 4:12).”

Wednesday, August 28, 2019

Greek Lesson - Mark 10:23ff - Asking for the Seats of Glory

By Norma A. Boeckler


Parser tells us the I.D. of the word

Lenski's Mark Commentary - download as a PDF

ΚΑΤΑ ΜΑΡΚΟΝ 10 1550 Stephanus New Testament (TR1550)

Chapter10 

23 και περιβλεψαμενος ο ιησους λεγει τοις μαθηταις αυτου πως δυσκολως οι τα χρηματα εχοντες εις την βασιλειαν του θεου εισελευσονται

24 οι δε μαθηται εθαμβουντο επι τοις λογοις αυτου, ο δε ιησους παλιν αποκριθεις λεγει αυτοις - τεκνα! πως δυσκολον εστιν τους πεποιθοτας επι τοις χρημασιν εις την βασιλειαν του θεου εισελθειν

25 ευκοπωτερον εστιν καμηλον δια της τρυμαλιας της ραφιδος εισελθειν η πλουσιον εις την βασιλειαν του θεου εισελθειν

Lenski, Mark, p. 441. "τρυμαλ is a hole that is worn through, to wear away); Matthew's word is a hole that is bored through (, to bore). The Talmud uses the elephant in the same illustration to express human impossibility; elephants were not known in Palestine. The Koran has the illustration that Jesus used." 

26 οι δε περισσως εξεπλησσοντο λεγοντες προς εαυτους και τις δυναται σωθηναι

There goes the capital funds campaign!

27 εμβλεψας δε αυτοις ο ιησους λεγει παρα ανθρωποις αδυνατον αλλ ου παρα τω θεω - παντα γαρ δυνατα εστιν παρα τω θεω

Negations are fun in Greek - a.

28 και ηρξατο ο πετρος λεγειν αυτω - ιδου ημεις αφηκαμεν παντα και ηκολουθησαμεν σοι

29 αποκριθεις δε ο ιησους ειπεν - αμην λεγω υμιν ουδεις εστιν ος αφηκεν οικιαν η αδελφους η αδελφας η πατερα η μητερα η γυναικα η τεκνα η αγρους ενεκεν εμου και του ευαγγελιου

30 εαν μη λαβη εκατονταπλασιονα νυν εν τω καιρω τουτω οικιας και αδελφους και αδελφας και μητερας και τεκνα και αγρους μετα διωγμων και εν τω αιωνι τω ερχομενω ζωην αιωνιον

31 πολλοι δε εσονται πρωτοι εσχατοι και οι εσχατοι πρωτοι

32 ησαν δε εν τη οδω αναβαινοντες εις ιεροσολυμα και ην προαγων αυτους ο ιησους και εθαμβουντο και ακολουθουντες εφοβουντο και παραλαβων παλιν τους δωδεκα ηρξατο αυτοις λεγειν τα μελλοντα αυτω συμβαινειν

33 οτι ιδου αναβαινομεν εις ιεροσολυμα και ο υιος του ανθρωπου παραδοθησεται τοις αρχιερευσιν και τοις γραμματευσιν και κατακρινουσιν αυτον θανατω και παραδωσουσιν αυτον τοις εθνεσιν

34 και εμπαιξουσιν αυτω και μαστιγωσουσιν αυτον και εμπτυσουσιν αυτω και αποκτενουσιν αυτον και τη τριτη ημερα αναστησεται

35 και προσπορευονται αυτω ιακωβος και ιωαννης οι υιοι ζεβεδαιου λεγοντες διδασκαλε θελομεν ινα ο εαν αιτησωμεν ποιησης ημιν

36 ο δε ειπεν αυτοις τι θελετε ποιησαι με υμιν

37 οι δε ειπον αυτω δος ημιν ινα εις εκ δεξιων σου και εις εξ ευωνυμων σου καθισωμεν εν τη δοξη σου

38 ο δε ιησους ειπεν αυτοις - ουκ οιδατε τι αιτεισθε, δυνασθε πιειν το ποτηριον ο εγω πινω και το βαπτισμα ο εγω βαπτιζομαι βαπτισθηναι

39 οι δε ειπον αυτω δυναμεθα; ο δε ιησους ειπεν αυτοις το μεν ποτηριον ο εγω πινω πιεσθε και το βαπτισμα ο εγω βαπτιζομαι βαπτισθησεσθε

40 το δε καθισαι εκ δεξιων μου και εξ ευωνυμων μου ουκ εστιν εμον δουναι αλλ οις ητοιμασται

41 και ακουσαντες οι δεκα ηρξαντο αγανακτειν περι ιακωβου και ιωαννου

42 ο δε ιησους προσκαλεσαμενος αυτους λεγει αυτοις οιδατε οτι οι δοκουντες αρχειν των εθνων κατακυριευουσιν αυτων και οι μεγαλοι αυτων κατεξουσιαζουσιν αυτων

43 ουχ ουτως δε εσται εν υμιν αλλ ος εαν θελη γενεσθαι μεγας εν υμιν εσται διακονος υμων

44 και ος αν θελη υμων γενεσθαι πρωτος εσται παντων δουλος

45 και γαρ ο υιος του ανθρωπου ουκ ηλθεν διακονηθηναι αλλα διακονησαι και δουναι την ψυχην αυτου λυτρον αντι πολλων

Next week -
46 και ερχονται εις ιεριχω και εκπορευομενου αυτου απο ιεριχω και των μαθητων αυτου και οχλου ικανου υιος τιμαιου βαρτιμαιος ο τυφλος εκαθητο παρα την οδον προσαιτων

47 και ακουσας οτι ιησους ο ναζωραιος εστιν ηρξατο κραζειν και λεγειν ο υιος δαβιδ ιησου ελεησον με

48 και επετιμων αυτω πολλοι ινα σιωπηση ο δε πολλω μαλλον εκραζεν υιε δαβιδ ελεησον με

49 και στας ο ιησους ειπεν αυτον φωνηθηναι και φωνουσιν τον τυφλον λεγοντες αυτω θαρσει εγειραι φωνει σε

50 ο δε αποβαλων το ιματιον αυτου αναστας ηλθεν προς τον ιησουν

51 και αποκριθεις λεγει αυτω ο ιησους τι θελεις ποιησω σοι ο δε τυφλος ειπεν αυτω ραββονι ινα αναβλεψω

52 ο δε ιησους ειπεν αυτω υπαγε η πιστις σου σεσωκεν σε και ευθεως ανεβλεψεν και ηκολουθει τω ιησου εν τη οδω

Apostasy Is Not Limited to the Lutherans.
American Spectator - "Where Bergoglio (Pope Francis) Buried His Communist Mentor"

Disgraced Milwaukee Archbishop and his priests gave a series of public lectures at Wisconsin Lutheran College (WELS). NY Times on Weakland.

My favorite Roman Catholic journalist, George Neumayr, published an essay on Pope Francis' affection for a Communist leader in his native Argentina - Where Bergoglio [Pope Francis] Buried His Communist Mentor.

Calling the pope "Bergoglio" - using his last name - suggests that Neumayr considers the papal seat vacant.

"Once a striking 19th-century church, Santa Cruz is now just a propaganda prop for Pope Francis’s gang of communist clerics. It is pitiful and puts me in mind of what a precocious teenager said to me the other day after I asked her what she thought of the pope: “He is so bad and ridiculous I don’t think he is the pope. Nothing he does is like what other popes have done.”

That is a common refrain in conservative circles here."

The Church of Rome is officially against socialism, but the pope ardently promotes it. The same fervor permeates many Roman Catholic institutions. Have the Lutheran clergy who sinuflected to Rome noticed this? Doubtless they have witty little comments to explain it away.

A successful meeting!

Pope Francis has such a way with words.
 2015

Area students help on mission trip


http://www.wdtimes.com/news/article_b6d4598e-4047-11e5-bafb-0bb1f468f9ee.html

WATERLOO -- During the week of June 22, 18 local students and three chaperones embarked on a mission trip to Mingo County, West Virginia. The event, organized by St. Paul's Lutheran Church, ELCA, was the largest trip the congregation had sent students on and contained a variety of individuals. Students from St. Paul's, St. John's Lutheran Church, WELS and Holy Family Roman Catholic Parish all of Waterloo and Holy Trinity Lutheran Church, ELCA of Marshall participated.
The trip was the farthest traveled since the program began in 2010 with the participants spending a night in Columbus, Ohio on the way down and Champaign, Ill. on the way home.
While in West Virginia missionary work included: cleaning, painting, putting up siding and sharing meals with the families the group was serving. Students and chaperones also visited a local nursing home and worked with children at a kid's club, along with spending a couple of evenings learning about the mining wars of the 1920s and line dancing.

"It was great to see the youth working together and interacting with local residents. They really built a relationship with them throughout the time we were there. The youth expressed how much their eyes were opened through their experiences with the community in Williamson, W.V.," said chaperone Laura Crave.
"We worked with Zelma on painting her porch and cleaned her yard. She was 93 years old and loved to tell stories about her long life," said Austin Weber. "The members of St. Paul's have been generous in supporting our youth mission trips since 2010.
Support for the youth mission trips has been raised through individual donations, fundraisers within the congregation and fundraisers in the community. This year, the youth from St. Paul's invited several friends from other community congregations to join them, creating an extensive community outreach," said Rev. Robb Kosky.
YouthWorks, a group that organizes Mission Trips, including St. Paul's, generally charges between $250-$300 per person. St. Paul's has always paid for the adult chaperones from fundraising and families pay a deposit for each student. The other primary expense is transportation. This year there were some additional costs related to the distance traveled and the cost for the 2015 Mission Trip was approximately $9,200 or $512 per student. The trip could not have been made without the generous support of the congregation.

Individuals attending were chaperones; Arlene Schemm, St. Paul's; Crave, St. Paul's; Kosky, St. Paul's; Students: Logan Braunschweig, St. Paul's; Dawson Cole, St. Paul's; Lexi Duessler, St. Paul's; Tristin Duessler, St. Paul's; Brianna Farwell, St. Paul's; Laura Farwell, St. Paul's; Tyler Hargarten, St. John's; Cassandra Hollatz, St. Paul's; Christie Hollatz, St. Paul's; Cassidy Mattson, St. Paul's; Peter Miller, Holy Family; Bailey Stone, Holy Trinity; Hannah Stone, Holy Trinity; Morgan Stone, Holy Trinity; Wes Swarztrauber, Holy Family; Karley Tesmer, Holy Family; Austin Weber, St. Paul's; Cole Weber, St. Paul's.
Each WELS Synod President is worse than the one before,
because the laity and clergy will accept anything.