Saturday, November 14, 2009

Haze-Maker: Founder of Modern Theology -
Major Influence Upon Barth, Fuller Seminary's Theologian




FDE Schleiermacher, whose name means "Haze-Maker," studied at Halle University and became a universalist.

Schleiermacher is the most important theologian for apostates. My liberal Reformed professor at Notre Dame loved Schleiermacher.

Karl Barth was profoundly influenced by Schleiermacher and probably learned the essentials of faith without belief from FDE.

Barth was an ardent Marxist and adulterer. He even moved his mistress and co-author, Charlotte Kirschbaum, into his home. Fuller Seminary turned away from its weak inerrancy position when the founder's son studied under Barth in Switzerland. The Fuller president denounced inerrancy as holding back missions! The inerrancy professors were purged or left on their own (as they always do in official announcements). From that point on, Fuller became Church Growth by hiring a liberal statistician named Donald McGavran.

I hope this little post helps people understand the innate universalism behind Fuller's Growthism.

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Haze-Maker: Founder of Modern Theology - Major Inf...":

What I'd like to know, is this Karl Barth mentioned above the very same person (i.e. Karl L. Barth) who wrote a foreword to
'ESSAYS FOR THE CHURCH by CFW. Walther....VOLUMES 1 & 11,covering the years 1857 - 1879 (VOL 1), and the years 1877 - 1886 (VOL 11), published by Concordia Publishing house, 1992 ? (Please pardon my ignorance)

Shall be grateful if someone knows ?

It may "explain a lot" for me....presently studying the Election/Predestination Controversy.....according to this publication, alongside of the same issue as reported in 'THE LUTHERANS IN NORTH AMERICA' edited by E. Clifford Nelson; revised edition 1980/Fortress Press, Philadelphia....together with Kurt E Marquart's "paper" entitled 'JUSTIFICATION - OBJECTIVE and SUBJECTIVE: A TRANSLATION..."

Yes, those "above" three dots were given there (those dots are quoted verabatim). Mentioned on the front cover of this last mentioned Concordia Theological Seminary Press Fort Wayne Indiana publication,published in 1982.

KEM: "This is a translation - perhaps a little wooden for the sake of literal precision--of the essay on Justification presented and adopted at the first Synodical Convention in 1872. Proceedings,pp. 20 - 68. Written PROBABLY BY F. A. Scmidt, who later became virulently anti-Missourian, this important essay is favourably cited and appealed to in F. Bente's tripartite "Die neue und die alte Lehre der Ohio-Synode von der allgemeinen Rchtfertigung," Lehre und Wehre, vol. 51, no. 9, Sept. 1905,pp.385. All underlinings follow the original.

KEM thereby gives attribution for this paper to F. A. Schmidt, even though such attribution remains unproven. He also, as given in the quotation above, refers to the "IMPORTANCE" of this essay....

I have not copy of the Bente publication Marquart refers to above, but certainly did not see F. A. Schmidt;s paer - IF it is his - as in any way "important".

It really is not a very good paper on Justification at all; not even FOR the OJ position it seeks to uphold...yet many of the conflcting internal arguments it contains ARE the points argued and promoted by UOJers in our day EVEN ON THIS WEBSITE (who, obviously MUST,therefore, be in possession of this document). .

Taken as a whole, this paper finds absolutely FOR the OJ case...but F.A. Schmidt - if indeed this paper was written by him - as KEM says was "probably" so, later became "virulently anti-Missouri".
(I can understand that. The theses are disjointed, internally self-contradictory, and are not in accordance with the The Word, or the BoC.

Unfortunately, I do not have access to F.A. Schmidt's subsequent writings on this matter (when he became "virulently anti OJ/Missouri"....wish I did... ANYBODY ?)

If anyone else, like me, is VERY interested in this whole 19th Century Election/Predestination Controversy (that took a very different tack on Justification by Faith alone, via Grace alone, AS PROPOUNDED in the Bible and the BoC, then, thanks for your prayers and also any VERIFIABLE information you can maybe provide ?

God richly bless you..and God be thanked if you can help in any way.

Confessing Orthodox Lutheran.

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GJ - I am sure that the Karl Barth you mention is the "good" Karl Barth, the former president of Concordia, St. Louis. I understand Bohlmann drove him out and installed Johnson, a liberal chameleon.