Monday, November 8, 2010

What Question Do You Have for the ELCA Presiding Bishop? - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

I don't remember you being invited, Brett.



What Question Do You Have for the ELCA Presiding Bishop? - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America


CHICAGO (ELCA) -- If you could ask the presiding bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) a question, what would it be? The Rev. Mark S. Hanson is ready to receive questions live during the online ELCA Town Hall Forum Nov. 21 at 5 p.m. EST. The forum is an hour-long event designed to inform ELCA members about the life-changing mission and ministries of the ELCA.

 According to Eric Peterson, congregations should not think of the forum as "a show to be watched. Congregations should prepare and study for it, discuss what they have heard and grow in action out of that."

 Peterson, a member of Bethel Lutheran Church in Madison, Wis., participated in the March 7 and Sept. 19, 2010 forums.

 "It has been rewarding to hear from the presiding bishop as the church grapples with issues about the nature and future of the church," he said. The forum offers an opportunity to interact with other church members, congregations and synods "in holy conversation."

 Peterson said he would like to see more forums scheduled, along with deeper participation from congregations across this church.

 "I think people in this church want to have true and honest conversations about the church and discover how the gospel is calling us to be faith-in-action people."

 Members of Salem Lutheran Church in Sycamore, Ill., hosted a viewing party for the September forum.

 "We had a good conversation afterward with people sharing their reactions," said Carla Vanatta, associate in ministry at Salem. She said the forum and subsequent conversation were important for Jim Kline, a visitor of Salem who became a member of the congregation Oct. 30.

"I had been looking for a new ELCA congregation to join because my previous congregation decided to leave the ELCA," said Kline.

"What stood out for me at the (September) Town Hall Forum was Bishop Hanson's comment about whether the ELCA is 'defined by questions in which we have no agreement and often divide us, or by the good news of Jesus Christ that unites us.' For me that was a very appropriate thing to say," he said.

Vanatta said the forum was a "healing experience" because it offered space for participants to address some issues. "Bishop Hanson was frank but sensitive about the pain of congregations leaving the ELCA. The forum was also a good way for the rest of us to be able to respond to what our visitor had been experiencing."

Members of Salem have made a deeper commitment to continue dialogue and to host future viewing parties.

Participants can follow conversations on Facebook or tweet about the event using the hash tags #ELCA or #BishopHanson. Submit questions and watch the forum athttp://www.ELCA.org/townhall on the ELCA website. Images and transcripts in English and Spanish are available on  the website, as well as the opportunity to watch previous webcasts and monitor dates for future forums.
The ELCA Town Hall Forum is a unique, informative and enjoyable experience. Host a viewing party for your congregation and help build community with the more than 10,000 congregations across this church. A tool kit is available at http://www.ELCA.org/townhall to help congregations host a viewing party with electronic and technical assistance, social media opportunities and more.

For information contact:
Melissa Ramirez Cooper (773) 380-2956
http://www.elca.org

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GJ - OK. I'll bite. My imagination is running wild. Here is the scenario:
Pastor Bob - "Where did all the money go? Where did all the congregations go? Are you gay, straight, bi, or questioning?"
Bishop Mark Hanson - "I think it's time for our five minute break."
Pastor Cicelia - "Where did all the money go? Where did all the congregations go? Are you gay, straight, bi, or questioning?  Why did we have an unscheduled break? Where is Pastor Bob?"

UOJ Insights from a Reader



bored has left a new comment on your post "Write a Letter? Ha!":

Writing letters to the synod is a big joke. You will be ignored or patronized (and then be shunned).

So if moving through official channels won't work, whaddya do? It's tough to know what to do about the WELS. Nothing is impossible with God, so I do believe the WELS might be fixed--but it is a quagmire. Here's one example: People over at Insipid Lutherans are saying that without UOJ, faith becomes a condition for Grace and Salvation. As far as I know this is a typical attitude towards that doctrine. But think about it: UOJ teaches that all are righteous because all have been forgiven, and yet not all will go to heaven. Only those with faith go to heaven. So isn't UOJ actually making faith a condition?

Real Lutheranism teaches that God demands a condition of perfection, which men, of course, cannot achieve. God in his mercy provided Christ, who became the perfect sacrifice and substitution; through faith alone is Christ's righteousness placed on us. Through faith alone does God forgive us our sins for Christ's sake. We can't believe on our own either. In mercy upon mercy, God provides us with his Holy Spirit through the Word to create and sustain this saving faith in us.

According to UOJ, God certainly doesn't demand a condition of perfection, since, according to UOJ, all are already righteous and yet some go to hell. So, God must demand something else besides righteousness, right? What is left but faith? Faith becomes the central focus. It's nearly belief in belief.

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GJ - I appreciate the insights I receive on the topic of UOJ. Brett Meyer is right - they wanted to keep their precious opinion down the memory hole, but Rick Curia put together a big collection of UOJ sources, and I added to them.

The Intrepids (sic) opened the topic on their own. This comment from Bored (probably not his real name) offers a good perspective on the topic. JP Meyer ended up with Decision Theology in his famous little book, and the necessity of that stance is apparent in the analysis above. Walther's Easter Absolution sermon is not far from Meyer, showing how one bad idea degenerates as it is passed down to lesser lights. Walther's exegesis is pure fantasy, but no one laughs or cries when reading it.

This also explains why the WELS Changers have such an affinity with the Babtists.

Enthusiasts have no grasp of the efficacy of the Word, even less comprehension of the Means of grace. Those raised on UOJ cannot teach the Confessions and consequently fear them.

The contrast to UOJ is articulated well above, but I will add my version to it:
  1. God does everything through the Word, which is always effective, having the greatest power in its purity.
  2. The Word convicts us - of the sin of unbelief in Christ and conveys Christ to us, Law and Gospel.
  3. God's grace comes to us only through the Word in the Means of Grace. That is exclusively the work of the Holy Spirit, bound by God's Promise to the Word.
  4. Any claims of God's work apart from the Word is called Enthusiasm by the Book of Concord and Luther. Enthusiasm is the foundation for all false doctrine.
--- bored has left a new comment on your post "UOJ Insights from a Reader": better said... I try but I can't be expected to nail the issue with clarity like a pastor of 30+ experience, right? haha I appreciate your work and letting students learn how to talk about this via your blog. *** GJ - I thought you did a great job and touched upon an important point. I am used to explaining things, so I tried to make it plainer. Posting it two extra times means I really liked it. --- LPC has left a new comment on your post "UOJ Insights from a Reader": Bored According to UOJ, God certainly doesn't demand a condition of perfection, since, according to UOJ, all are already righteous and yet some go to hell. So, God must demand something else besides righteousness, right? What is left but faith

You got it right. UOJ hates faith but wind up doing decisional on it in a round about way.

Great you picked it up, I was getting dysfunctional trying to pin down the position of Insipid Lutherans i.e. the Tripids. Thanks.

LPC

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GJ - Bored, you got an A twice, from two different PhDs. LPC is especially good in logical analysis, so his commendation is noteworthy.

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LutherRocks has left a new comment on your post "UOJ Insights from a Reader":

I thought Pastor Rydecki's third installment of today was pretty plain. Do you guys have a problem with it?

JK

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LPC has left a new comment on your post "UOJ Insights from a Reader":

Joe,

Yes I still do. I have commented on that blog post and it has not appeared. I am worried he won't publish it. There I called him to stand where the ax would fall, that is, call Walther and Pieper wrong on what they taught about UOJ. I do not think he will do that.

Yet, Maier and the rest of us here are willing to say that a man no matter how spiritual he may have been should be called where he went wrong, it does not matter who he might be. I would rather that people do call me too to the mat if I were wrong, Scripture says, rebuke a wise man and yet he will be wiser.

What Rev. Rydecki is doing is that taking the cue from Marquart wants to retain, UOJ with its proper redefinition.

I agree that Christ has won forgiveness and justification as Luther called, this is a treasure. However, using the term UOJ or OJ for this should be abandoned. Why? Because it creates more confusion and ambiguity than what it solves. Just what does the term UOJ or OJ benefits?

Yet Pr. Paul, wants to redefine it as the treasure won by Christ and call this UOJ. On one end he condemns it, on another end, he still likes to us it with the Marquart spin. As Tom and I said, this is a leverage for sophistry. He takes what the left hand is doing, for now, but who knows if the right hand brings it back?

He is still keeping his equivocal terms to his sleeves. Yet, as Tom pointed out, he needs to speak un-equivocably. He is straddling the fence. I am disappointed in this as all he does is make allusions and not make categorical statements when called upon in relation to the famous proponents of UOJ - Walther and Company.

He say -- this is not what he teaches about UOJ well, pray tell, who is the right UOJ teacher? If Becker, Walther or Pieper is wrong, who is right? He is still keeping to himself some ambiguity. That is my problem with him and that my friend is still dangerous.

Lito

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GJ - Joe, the UOJ people are trying to snow you. Your conference or district just had a meeting to promote and  prop up UOJ, which is the doctrine behind Church Growth/Emergent Church. You will notice that the other side never acknowledges or deals with my critique of UOJ. The Intrepids (sic) asked for a summary, which I sent as a comment. Apart from that, they circle around their favorite dead authors without being clear or confessional.

I am happy that Webber and Rydecki put their anti-Lutheran doctrine on display. The WELS/ELS mucky-mucks want them to spin their wheels in the mud rather than deal with the issues of doctrine and practice in both sects.

Every UOJ advocate is dishonest and deceptive. What you see now is the effort to appear to be on the side of the Means of Grace while affirming their old Enthusiasm, which has not been repudiated.

DP Jon Buchholz tried the same method, appearing to agree with the Book of Concord, then crowing to Brett Meyer that I agreed with him (Jon). I said he was getting there, because he was able to actually say the words "Means of Grace" instead of felt needs, etc. Jon does not even understand that he is an Enthusiast. When I challenged him about Thy Strong Word, he said he had not unpacked it yet. A DP who has time to dig a swimming pool also has time to find a book, which is linked, for free online.

I can tell you what DPs care about. When Jon saw a pastor on FB who was listed as my friend, he wrote this person and said, "How do you know Greg?" The WELS KGB never rests - except when dealing with doctrine. Then it is truly "the Church at rest," to quote the hymn.

Here is my music analogy. I tried to teach a humanities class that most rock music was simply terrible and could be performed by anyone. I gave a big "Twang!" out on my imaginary guitar and screamed. They loved it and asked me to do it again. I was getting glassy stares about my good music argument, so I gave up.

The next week I had my Bose set up with Pachebel's Canon playing. The students came up an elevator and rushed in. "What is that? Where can I get it?" The students wrote down the name so they could buy it.

Here is the meaning of the parable. No one will know good music until he hears it himself. Talking about it is not enough. Making fun of bad music will not accomplish anything either, except to offend people who like Muskrat Love, Seasons in the Sun, and rap.

Until Lutherans learn to read and love the Confessions, these discussions will keep going back to the essays written by Syn Conference leaders and followers.

The basics are:
  1. Luther's sermons,
  2. the Confessions,
  3. and the doctrinal unity of the Scriptures.

If a pastor is not strong in all three areas, he cannot articulate the sound teaching of the historic Christian Church.

The Adventures of Karen: Church Woes

The Adventures of Karen: Church Woes

Tuesday, November 24, 2009
Church Woes
Sunday, we overslept and missed church. Our church has changed a lot since the new pastor arrived 2 years ago. I struggle to make myself attend. We joined the church under the previous pastor and knew about the church because Amy had attended k-2 grades at the church's elementary school. After the previous pastor took a different call, the church service began to use much less of the litergy. The new pastor has introduced a lot of mega-church ideas to grow the congregation. (Last week a large retractable screen was installed above the cross.) Instead of the church growing, many families have left our congregation and now drive 30-60 minutes to attend more traditional churches with more substance. I'm really uncomfortable with the changes that have been made. The biggest change to me has been the loss of law and gospel in the sermons. The sermons contains some gospel, many humorous references to secular life and little substance.

The WELS churches in our area have always been more conservative and scripture based then the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod churches. Unfortunately, the WELS churches are now being pressured to use other more liberal churches' approaches to outreach. I don't believe that advertising pony rides for VBS to draw in non-members is the way to "grow a church." God's Word being taught in it's truth and purity is more important than projection screens. That being said, Lutherans tend to be quiet people. Our German heritage makes us uncomfortable greeting strangers. We need to work at being more open and friendly to visitors. Visitors should be made welcome by people other than the minister. But, making our church look like a happy-clappy church is wrong.

The house that we are moving to does not have any WELS churches within a 20 mile radius. There is a Missouri Synod church 1/2 a mile down the road. A friend mentioned that the church is very confessional and that the service is litergical. We'll probably visit them. It's getting harder and harder to find a church that doesn't make me cringe.
Posted by Karen at 9:19 AM
Labels: churches, family life, moving
3 comments:

Karin said...

Been there, done that. I truly am sorry about your struggles. Unfortunately it does not seem that if you bring up your objections that anyone will listen. We had to leave.
November 24, 2009 12:06 PM
Paul Thompson said...

Hi Karen. I live in Iowa and there are a few confessional LCMS Churches within 30 minutes of us, so we are blessed. My wife and I homeschool our oldest boy (8) and will be homeschooling our two other children very soon. Don't compromise your convictions and stay strong. Please pray for the LCMS. I love our church and would be heartbroken to find it moving away from it's Liturgical and Confessional stance. God's blessing to you and yours.
Paul
November 25, 2009 9:51 AM
Kari said...

Once again, I'm sorry to hear of your troubles.

Our little church GREW about 8 years ago. I do love it but it's bigness sometimes overwhelms me.

I am conflicted about exactly what you state in your post...I see how great it is (number of souls brought in wise) but am not sure about crossing the line of enabling our current "culture" and keeping our quiet traditions.

I attend a small group Bible study with the wife of one of our called workers and hearing their "side of the story" helps bring balance to my thoughts...

I wish we could chat over coffee, it sounds like we have a lot of the same concerns...and they're so hard to put into words.

I'll be praying that you find a church home that is comfortable AND you are able to grow in,
Kari
November 26, 2009 8:06 AM

Two Laymen Respond to "Write a Letter, Ha!"

WELS SP-in-Exile Doing Missionary Work



bored has left a new comment on your post "Write a Letter? Ha!":

Writing letters to the synod is a big joke. You will be ignored or patronized (and then be shunned).

So if moving through official channels won't work, whaddya do? It's tough to know what to do about the WELS. Nothing is impossible with God, so I do believe the WELS might be fixed--but it is a quagmire. Here's one example: People over at Insipid Lutherans are saying that without UOJ, faith becomes a condition for Grace and Salvation. As far as I know this is a typical attitude towards that doctrine. But think about it: UOJ teaches that all are righteous because all have been forgiven, and yet not all will go to heaven. Only those with faith go to heaven. So isn't UOJ actually making faith a condition?

Real Lutheranism teaches that God demands a condition of perfection, which men, of course, cannot achieve. God in his mercy provided Christ, who became the perfect sacrifice and substitution; through faith alone is Christ's righteousness placed on us. Through faith alone does God forgive us our sins for Christ's sake. We can't believe on our own either. In mercy upon mercy, God provides us with his Holy Spirit through the Word to create and sustain this saving faith in us.

According to UOJ, God certainly doesn't demand a condition of perfection, since, according to UOJ, all are already righteous and yet some go to hell. So, God must demand something else besides righteousness, right? What is left but faith? Faith becomes the central focus. It's nearly belief in belief.

But back to my point, unraveling that is a messy nasty business. That is a complicated bit of verbiage, even for honest theologians, and you'll notice that guys like Rydecki and Webber truly shine in ambiguity. I doubt if real Lutherans will ever win in a theological argument, because you'll never pin 'em down. (and not to harp on it too much, but watching WELS pastors get out of hot water, and backing out of their words is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. LCMS pastors too. It reminds me of watching CSPAN. Brilliant subterfuge.)
Real Lutherans aren't going to beat the Crypto-pentecostal-baptalicious UOJ Storm Troopers at their own game without becoming them. How do we untangle this mess? What I described is just one of many issues. How the heck is it even possible? At what point do we shake the dust off our feet, recognizing that we've done all we can: testify from Scripture? I don't think a mass exodus from the W(ELS) and LCMS could come soon enough.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Write a Letter? Ha!":

We must remember who we are dealing with here. If you work in an ethical, secular business environment, you can take people at their word. I used to work with a gent who was always dispensing shoddy financial advice. He took a bath in stock market downturns three times. After his son lost his house, he advised me against having my son buy a house. His co-workers had a saying, "whatever Gene says, do the exact opposite".

One bad experience could be considered an anomaly. The WELS powers that be have repeatedly proven that letter writing is not the act to engage in. I believe that it is a trap. If you don't write a letter, you will be castigated for not following their recommendation. If you do write a letter, you are placed on the hate list. This is actually a political tactic as it will draw out the opposition so that they can be identified. It would be akin to a battle where you get your enemy to fire first to reveal his position.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Two Laymen Respond to "Write a Letter, Ha!"":

I doubt if real Lutherans will ever win in a theological argument, because you'll never pin 'em down.

I know Bored understands this already as he's speaking in the context of a singular discussion, but I wanted to comment on this.

Anyone who faithfully wields the Sword of God's Word has already won. Even in a discussion against false doctrine and practice. Even if to the secular world it looks as if the false teacher couldn't be pinned down so as to surrender the point the true Christian, faithful to Scripture and the Lutheran Confessions, has already won. Romans 8:31, "What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?" and Galatians 6:7, "Be not decieved; god is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Faithful Christian Lutherans have already won through keeping the Word pure, by the grace and mercy of God, through faithful confession and use. 2 Timothy 3:16, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Rydecki and Webber's perversion of Scripture, self contradictions and blatant heresies are available for everyone to see. This is a victory in itself. This is why Holy Mother Synod doesn't want anyone to openly, publicly discuss doctrine - they don't trust the Word and it becomes quite evident, heretics cannot maintain their charade and will expose their false doctrine when questioned and asked to give a confession of the hope they have - from one side of their mouth or the other, they make the Synod officials look like the spineless hirelings they are when others step forward to speak in their place and most importantly - Holy Mother Synod does not want anyone to think for themselves - Holy Mother Lutheran Synod is so close to being Holy Mother Roman Catholic Church it isn't even funny anymore.

So faithful Christians everywhere need to speak up, remain faithful to Scripture, Christ, the Lutheran Confessions and write letters, blog comments, speak to anyone who will listen and fight the good fight while it is day, for the night cometh when no one can work John 9:4


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GJ - When I was still WELS, I walked up to John Brenner (Sparky), Professor at The Sausage Factory in Mequon. I asked him how the faculty could publish the blatant falsehoods and lies in Valleskey's so-called study of the Church Growth Movement. Brenner said, "Write a letter." I said, "Write a letter? Don't you have an editor?" He said, "Gawrisch has been sick." I asked, "Is the whole faculty sick?" Mrs. Brenner was in a state of shock that someone would ask a Prince of the Church such questions.

The next time I saw Sparky, I got the WELS Glare.

Charlotte Iserbyt-Deliberately Dumbing Down of America, diaprax,

Charlotte Iserbyt-Deliberately Dumbing Down of America, diaprax,

Monday Morning Inspiration

Sunday, November 7, 2010

Write a Letter? Ha!



Play Whack-a-Mole. Write a letter!
Get whacked!



I think letter writing in WELS is a joke. The letters either get shredded or put in the local recycle trash bin.
Either way they are ignored and worse yet the folks writing the letters are put on the hit list, if you will.
Maybe the only thing left is someone standing up at a district or better yet the national convention. If that person is told to sit down then we will see if anyone else in attendance has a spine to stand up also. Just a thought.

I like the pictures on Ichabod. The animals you show are so funny. It does remind one of how people act.


[This source is so deep undercover that his code name is in hexadecimal - 29a.]

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twissted_sisster has left a new comment on your post "WELS To Ask Jeske - "Is You Is or Is You Ain't?"":

The Time of Grace logo says 'Straight Talk. Real Hope.'
My real hope is that just once we'd get some straight talk from our synod officials on exactly what is going on synod-wide. There are so many issues that need to be addressed. No more behind the scenes actions. No more 'so and so is looking into it'. No more waiting.

The time has come for some pastors or teachers to be confronted publicly. But what is the delay? These matters should be urgent! Sound the alarm and wake up! We're losing ground with every day that goes by. Our church is slipping away from us right before our eyes. The leadership is lax, many pastors are unwilling to do their jobs, and the laypeople are getting restless.

I, for one, as lifelong member of WELS, am ready to jump ship. What can we do? To whom should we take our concerns? My real hope is that this Synod will be led back to a truly conservative and confessional Lutheran church body and the rascals in opposition to it will marked and avoided, not elevated and promoted. Unfortunately my real hope is waning.

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GJ - I was told, "Write a letter!" about Columbus, and I also spoke directly to everyone involved, only to hear a bunch of lies. My letters to DP Robert Mueller were not even acknowledged - until I copied everyone in Creation and the ELS President, George Orvick.

I wrote and spoke about the false doctrine of Church Growth and the Michigan District's support of an adulterous fake pastor. That was 20+ years ago. Church Growth has morphed into New Age Emergent Church plagiarism. The fake pastor is still in Columbus, because WELS and the ELS supported him and got him a new call.

As 29a said, letter writing will only put someone on the WELS hit list. Perhaps that was misspelled. No, not that word. The hate list. WELS really knows how to hate on anyone who tells the truth.

I recently sent a registered letter to three WELS pastors. All three were signed for, including the one I sent SP Schroeder. He finally admitted he received the letter, months later. He did not respond to the letter itself. Neither did the two WELS pastors.

So write a letter. Join the hit list.

This letter saw no definitive action in one whole year, except Pastor Ski taught Satan's Sex Ed (Groeschel again) to the whole community in pan-denominational effort.

All Saints Sunday


Christ risen by Norma Boeckler



All Saints Sunday, 2010


Pastor Gregory L. Jackson

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bethany-lutheran-worship

Bethany Lutheran Church, 10 AM Central Time


The Hymn # 656 Behold a Host 2:39
The Confession of Sins
The Absolution
The Introit p. 16
The Gloria Patri
The Kyrie p. 17
The Gloria in Excelsis
The Salutation and Collect p. 19
The Epistle and Gradual
The Gospel
Glory be to Thee, O Lord!
Praise be to Thee, O Christ!
The Nicene Creed p. 22
The Sermon Hymn # 463 For All the Saints 4:31
Behold a Host Arrayed in White
The Communion Hymn # 371 Jesus Thy Blood 4:6
The Preface p. 24
The Sanctus p. 26
The Lord's Prayer p. 27
The Words of Institution
The Agnus Dei p. 28
The Nunc Dimittis p. 29
The Benediction p. 31
The Hymn # 657 Beautiful Savior 4:24

KJV Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

KJV Matthew 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, 3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. 10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

ALL SAINTS' DAY
O almighty and everlasting God, who through Thine only-begotten and beloved Son, Jesus Christ, wilt sanctify all Thine elected and beloved: Give us grace to follow their faith, hope, and charity, that we together with them may obtain eternal life: through Thy Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with Thee and the Holy Ghost, one true God, world without end. Amen.

Behold a Host Arrayed in White
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

This text shows us the purpose of the Gospel – to give people the blessings of forgiveness, salvation, and everlasting life.

The Book of Revelation is the most vivid of all the New Testament books – a series of images easily imagined. Because Revelation is poetic in structure, too, hymns are based on this book.
1. Behold a Host Arrayed in White
2. For All the Saints
3. Holy, Holy, Holy
And others as well.

Jugie, one of the great scholars of the Roman Catholic Church, portrays the afterlife as a debtors’ prison - Purgatory, where people arrive each day to pay their debts, and eventually leave after working down their debts.

Revelation portrays the afterlife as believers which come from the struggles and tribulation of life to enjoy the blessings of the Gospel in eternal life.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Revelation is also a grand harmony of the Old Testament prophets and the New Testament books. Almost every verse is a reference to another part of the Bible.
Here we can see an insight into the wedding banquet guest who was not dressed properly and tossed out, and not mere tossed out, but consigned to Hell. He needed a white robe, the righteousness of Christ.

Those arrive in heaven have on them the righteousness of Christ, which is outside of us, given to us through faith in Jesus. The robes emphasize the forgiveness of the Gospel and our similarity as believers.

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The elder asked, but also answered, knowing that this great white host consists of those coming from the great tribulation.

That does not mean just those people who died during New Testament times, during those persecutions, but also those who have moved from this life to eternal life. So this is a continuous arrival of the blessed.

Notice how the robes have become white. They have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb. For unbelievers, this is nonsense, but believers know the meaning of this phrase. The crucifixion of Christ is the atoning sacrifice. Instead of animals, God substituted the Lamb of God, who paid for our sins. Those who trust in this atonement have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb.

The only sins removed from us are those washed by the blood of the Lamb. No act of ours will remove a sin. No amount of tears or sorrow will atone for a single sin, no matter how small. Godly contrition is good, because it is the effect of the Holy Spirit in the Law. But the Law cannot and will not remove a sin. Only the Gospel can absolve us. It is God’s declaration following His work in the Gospel.
The Gospel creates faith in Jesus, and faith receives the atoning sacrifice, the removal of sins.

Any formula or statement which says, Are you sorry enough or Have you done enough is pure folly, feeding the Old Adam who wants to earn forgiveness or play a part in the transaction. (When people say, “God has done all this for you, now you must do your part in the transaction, that is Decision Theology, or synergism.)

God gives us the Gospel, creates faith in our hearts, and justifies us through faith. The Gospel comes from those who teach the Word of God, and they are provided by God. All this comes from God, so we call it monergism – God alone working. That was Luther’s constant emphasis, in harmony with the Word.

and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

This is a great message for all of us sinners. The blood of the Lamb makes us righteous. This declaration of forgiveness does not depend on our feelings, whether we feel elated or sorrowful. Instead, our feelings should rest upon the objective truth of the Gospel. Like the disciples in the storm-tossed boat, we react with our emotions, based upon our perceptions and our experience. As Luther says, when we are afraid, faith goes out the window.

The Gospel calms our fears about being forgiven and gives us a greater trust in the power of God. He can take away our sins, so He can also fix problems in an instant.

One pastor was clearly miffed that he was in the boonies and not in a rich, influential suburb. (I recall from history that the really great calls were once downtown. Our son calls those “prune parishes – they used to be plums but they dried up.”) I told one pastor, “This is your chance to apply the Word to those who do not have a lot of academic training. It will test your teaching ability.” I have been a member of and also a pastor of a congregation where the average education was unusually high, with engineers and PhDs everywhere. However, that did not make them more receptive to the simple truths of the Gospel. An education plus corporate life can make anyone agile in defending any absurdity.
The mainline churches are proof of that, with the highest income, the highest level of education, the worst percentage giving, and the worst doctrine. Read the Dr. Seuss liturgy posted on Ichabod – from an Episcopal church.

There is no greater message than – made them white in the blood of the Lamb. That cannot be grasped by the great, wise, and powerful, unless they have a child-like faith.

The great tribulation is comforting for all those suffering persecution and for anyone bearing the cross. Jesus said that we must bear the cross daily to be His disciples, so that is the normal experience for sincere believers. Therefore, the temptation to escape the cross is always before us.

One Polish man said he was very attentive to all things religious when he was persecuted in Poland. He despised the West for being so lax. When he came to America and freedom he confessed that he was worse than the rest. He realized that tribulation and persecution made the Christian faith more appealing to him. That is one one layman said, “The great persecution today is indifference, which is hard to take than active persecution.”

Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

This is a great image of what we can expect. In truth, we know very little about eternal life, and we probably could not grasp it if we were told. However, we do have these words – about no longer suffering from physical privation and emotional torments.
I think about the disabled, who would love to have normal body functions or be without pain. The Left pays lip service to the disabled, but that is all. People who have so little of what we call normal will say that they value the Gospel all the more.

The Lamb will feed them. Here is a reference the Psalm 23. Jesus is both the Lamb of God and the Good Shepherd. As Lenski says, human writers cannot attain the simple eloquence of the Scriptures. No one can even imagine trying.

I will repeat a story because it is a good one and few have read all 5,000 posts or remember them all. I met with a Christian who was simply flattened by his worries about making a living. I asked him about all the articles of the Creed. He said he believed. He did believe that Christ, the Son of God, born of a Virgin, died on the cross for the sins of the world and for his sins too. He believed in the resurrection of Christ and eternal life.

So I asked, “You believe God can do all that and not feed your family?” He began smiling and crying at the same time. He realized the folly behind his worries. We are all the same that way. We sail away on our feelings and forget the Promises of God.

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My Word shall never pass away.”

Quotations

Eternal Life
"For the papalists understand the word 'justify' according to the manner of the Latin composition as meaning 'to make righteous' through a donated or infused quality of inherent righteousness, from which works of righteousness proceed. The Lutherans, however, accept the word 'justify' in the Hebrew manner of speaking; therefore they define justification as the absolution from sins, or the remission of sins, through imputation of the righteousness of Christ, through adoption and inheritance of eternal life, and that only for the sake of Christ, who is apprehended by faith."
Martin Chemnitz, Examination of the Council of Trent, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1971, I, p. 467.

"And, in short, the meritum condigni is the Helen for which the Tridentine chapter concerning the growth of justification contends. For they imagine that the quality, or habit, of love is infused not that we may possess salvation to life eternal through this first grace but that, assisted by that grace, we may be able to merit eternal life for ourselves by our own good works. For concerning the meritum condigni Gabriel speaks thus: 'The soul shaped by grace worthily (de condigno) merits eternal life.'" [Kramer note - Scholastics taught that the good works of the unregenerate had only meritum congrui; the good works of the regenerate rewarded as meritum condigni, merit worthy with being rewarded with eternal life.]
Martin Chemnitz, Examination of the Council of Trent, 1971, I, p. 541.

"How is a person justified before God? This occurs solely by faith in the Son of God, Jesus Christ; that is, freely, not because of any works or merits of one's own but only because of the one Mediator, Jesus Christ, who became the sacrificial victim and propitiation on our behalf. By this sacrifice, man obtained forgiveness of sins and became righteous; that is, God-pleasing and acceptable. His righteousness was imputed to man for Christ's sake, and man becomes an heir of eternal life when he believes with certainty that God gives him these blessings for the sake of His Son."
David Chytraeus, A Summary of the Christian Faith, (1568), trans., Richard Dinda, Decatur: Repristination Press, 1994. p. 105.

"Christian righteousness is the forgiveness of sin, the imputation of the righteousness of Christ and acceptance to eternal life. It is free, not the result of any virtues or works but is given solely because of Christ, the Mediator, and apprehended by faith alone."
David Chytraeus, A Summary of the Christian Faith, (1568), 1994. p. 106.

"Scripture therefore uses these words, 'We are justified by faith,' to teach both: 1) What the reason (or merit) for justification is, or what the blessings of Christ are; to wit, that through and for the sake of Christ alone we are granted forgiveness of sins, righteousness and eternal life; and 2. How these should be applied or transferred to us; namely, by embracing the promise and relying on Christ by faith alone."
David Chytraeus, A Summary of the Christian Faith, (1568), 1994. p. 107.

"The second argument is that 'God desires all men to be saved' (1 Timothy 2:4), and He gave His Son for us men and created man for eternal life. Likewise: All things exist for man, and he himself exists for God that he may enjoy Him, etc. These points and others like them can be refuted as easily as the first one. For these verses must always be understood as pertaining to the elect only, as the apostle says in 2 Timothy 2:10 'everything for the sake of the elect.' For in an absolute sense Christ did not die for all, because He says: 'This is My blood which is poured out for you' and 'for many'--He does not say: for all--'for the forgiveness of sins.' (Mark 14:24; Matthew 26:28) Martin Luther, Luther's Works, 25 p. 375. 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Timothy 2:4; Mark 14:24; Matthew 26:28 "His gifts and works in His Church must effect inexpressible results, taking souls from the jaws of the devil and translating them into eternal life and glory."
Sermons of Martin Luther, ed. John Nicolas Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VIII, p. 220.

"In this epistle lesson Paul gives Christians instruction concerning the Christian life on earth, and connects with it the hope of the future and eternal life, in view of which they have been baptized and become Christians. He makes of our earthly life a death--a grave--with the understanding, however, that henceforth the risen man and the newness of life should be found in us."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols., ed., John Lenker, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983, VIII, p. 141.

"Therefore, whoever would have a joyful conscience that does not fear sin, death, hell, nor the wrath of God, dare not reject this Mediator, Christ. For He is the fountain that overflows with grace, that gives temporal and eternal life."
Sermons of Martin Luther, 8 vols V, p. 331.

"Therefore, do not speak to me of love or friendship when anything is to be detracted from the Word or the faith; for we are told that not love but the Word brings eternal life, God's grace, and all heavenly treasures."
Martin Luther, What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, III, p. 1411f.

"In all simplicity and without any disputing, children believe that God is gracious and that there is an eternal life. Oh, what a blessing comes to the children who die at this time! Such a death would, of course, cause me extreme sorrow, because a part of my body and the mother's body would die. These natural affections do not cease in the pious, as those who are without feeling and are hardened imagine, for such affections are the work of divine creation. Children live with all sincerity in faith, without the interference of reason, as Ambrose says: There is lack of reason but not of faith."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, I, p. 142.

"To be converted to God means to believe in Christ, to believe that He is our Mediator and that we have eternal life through Him."
What Luther Says, An Anthology, 3 vols., ed., Ewald Plass, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959, I, p. 343. Acts 26:20.

"The Church has no word of its own. Whatever is not taken from Scripture is not the 'Word of the Church,' but what Luther bluntly calls 'prattle.' Also other books can exert a divine power and efficacy, but always only inasmuch as they have absorbed God's Word. Of Scripture Luther says: 'No book teaches anything concerning eternal life except this one alone' (St. Louis edition XIV:434)."
Francis Pieper, Christian Dogmatics, 3 vols., trans. Walter W. F. Albrecht, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1950, I, p. 315.

"But Christ was given for this purpose, namely, that for His sake there might be bestowed on us the remission of sins, and the Holy Ghost to bring forth in us new and eternal life, and eternal righteousness [to manifest Christ in our hearts, as it is written John 16:15: 'He shall take of the things of Mine, and show them unto you.' Likewise, He works also other gifts, love, thanksgiving, charity, patience, etc.]. Wherefore the Law cannot be truly kept unless the Holy Ghost is given." Apology of the Augsburg Confession, Article IV, Justification, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 159. Romans 3:31; John 16:15.

"But Christ was given for this purpose, namely, that for His sake there might be bestowed on us the remission of sins, and the Holy Ghost to bring forth in us new and eternal life, and eternal righteousness [to manifest Christ in our hearts, as it is written John 16:15: He shall take of the things of Mine, and show them unto you. Likewise, He works also other gifts, love, thanksgiving, charity, patience, etc.]. Wherefore the Law cannot be truly kept unless the Holy Ghost is received through faith...Then we learn to know how flesh, in security and indifference, does not fear God, and is not fully certain that we are regarded by God, but imagines that men are born and die by chance. Then we experience that we do not believe that God forgives and hears us. But when, on hearing the Gospel and the remission of sins, we are consoled by faith, we receive the Holy Ghost, so that now we are able to think aright."
Augsburg Confession, Article III, #11, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 159.

"This power {the Keys} is exercised only by teaching or preaching the Gospel and administering the Sacraments, according to their calling, either to many or to individuals. For thereby are granted, not bodily, but eternal things, as eternal righteousness, the Holy Ghost, eternal life. These things cannot come but by the ministry of the Word and the Sacraments, as Paul says, Romans 1:16: The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth. Therefore, since the power of the Church grants eternal things, and is exercised only by the ministry of the Word, it does not interfere with civil government; no more than the art of singing interferes with civil government."
Augsburg Confession, Article XXVIII, #8, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 85. Romans 1:16

"This righteousness is offered us by the Holy Ghost through the Gospel and in the Sacraments, and is applied, appropriated, and received through faith, whence believers have reconciliation with God, forgiveness of sins, the grace of God, sonship, and heirship of eternal life." Formula of Concord, Thorough Declaration, III 16 Righteousness Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 921. "Also they teach that at the Consummation of the World Christ will appear for judgment, and will raise up all the dead; He will give to the godly and elect eternal life and everlasting joys, but ungodly men and the devils He will condemn to be tormented without end."
Augsburg Confession, Article XVII, Of Christ's Return to Judgment, Concordia Triglotta, St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1921, p. 51.

Saturday, November 6, 2010

The Associated Press: Lawsuit filed in Okla. against Islamic law ban

The Associated Press: Lawsuit filed in Okla. against Islamic law ban

Early Lessons in Tolerance Prompt Fights Over ‘Hidden Homosexual Agenda’ - NYTimes.com

Early Lessons in Tolerance Prompt Fights Over ‘Hidden Homosexual Agenda’ - NYTimes.com

Extra Time for Cinnamon Coffee Tomorrow Morning - Move Clock Back - End of Daylight Savings

Fool! I ordered hazelnut!

Bishop Suspends Zion pastors



Do not want ELCA.



Bishop suspends Zion pastors

CLEAR LAKE — Two pastors of Clear Lake’s largest church have refused to leave their jobs despite an order from their bishop.

Bishop Steven C. Ullestad of the Northeastern Iowa Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), said the Rev. Dean Hess and the Rev. Derik C. Yarian were notified of their removal on Oct. 28.

“... You are now to function as a layperson ... your ordained status is in suspension,” said Ullestad in separate letters to the two men.

Both Hess and Church Council President Mark Shepp declined to comment Friday.

Pastors holding dual memberships — in this case, to both the ELCA and Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ — are not allowed by the ELCA.

The Zion church council has set another vote, this one at 6 p.m. on Sunday, Nov. 14, to decide whether it should leave the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America for good.


Learn All About Perish Assistance from the DMin Project, Trinity Deerfield

"Ribbeck. What's cooking? Me?"



http://www.tren.com/e-docs/search_w_preview.cfm?p006-1024

Developing A Parish (sic) Consulting Service For The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod


School: Trinity Evangelical Divinity School
Author: HEINS, Ronald K.     D.MIN. 1998
Pages: 241
Order #: 006-1024


He was the choreographer of Perish Assistance, according to his paper. Paul Calvin Kelm and Wayne (no CG in WELS) Mueller are prominent from the beginning.

I suggest someone buy this for $15 and save it to a hard drive before it is de-rezzed or the cat ate it.

http://www.charis.wlc.edu/about/

Charis Board of Directors

Rev. Ron Heins, Executive Director
Rev. Dr. Mark Braun, Chairman
Mr. Cliff Buelow, Director
Mr. Bruce Eberle, Director
Rev. Mark Jeske, Treasurer
Dr. Timothy Kriewall, Director ex officio
Prof. James Rahn, Secretary
Mr. Todd Witte, Director ex officio

 Connect the dots, o innocent lambs, led to the slaughter, fleeced and whipped to a fare-thee-well.

Imagine if laymen all over the synod could equally document and describe doctrinal error as you did. Could they be ignored for too long?

"Many pastors copy sermons." - DP Doug



Tim Niedfeldt said:


Imagine if laymen all over the synod could equally document and describe doctrinal error as you did. Could they be ignored for too long?

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GJ - Tim, the letter has been ignored for one year. Having letters written is a method for defusing conflict and moving the process along.

The people in Cape Girardeau knew Tabor was an adulterous pastor. They went to WELS Circuit Pastor Roger Zehms about it. He said, "Write a letter." LCR members wrote letters. After Tabor's wife was murdered by his mistress, aided and abetted by Tabor himself, the letters disappeared from his file. Jeb S. told me at lunch, "The file was empty." He never said who emptied the file.

Tim, you have part of it right. The letters need to be written. But they also need to be published for everyone to see. That is how the network of people abused by priests finally broke the cycle of lying and transfers.

Rick, you have to speak up at district meetings. Silence is consent.

Response to the Posting of the St. Peter, Freedom, WI Letter


Tim Niedfeldt


http://vdma.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/unauthorized-publication/#comments

One Response

on November 3, 2010 at 4:29 pm Tim Niedfeldt
Hi Rick,

I did happen to read that letter, and despite your misgivings about that publishing, I have to admit, I found it the best model for addressing doctrinal concerns I’ve seen. I’m sure lawyering skills come into play there. However as these types of issues continue to arise, we need to see more of this.

Imagine if laymen all over the synod could equally document and describe doctrinal error as you did. Could they be ignored for too long? I just think it could be time to consider a little more vocal admonition of this type if we wish to remain true to our confession.

I suppose it is not encouraging to hear that your letter was inspiring to me when you would like to downplay its new found notoriety, but keep up the good fight.
Tim Niedfeldt

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GJ - Tim has been upgraded to free spell-check.

Tim is correct. Rick's letter is a model for everyone to follow. He stated the facts with an abundance of evidence. He also argued effectively for correct doctrine and practice.

The question everyone should ask is, "Why is this still going on?" The utter lack of action speaks volumes about how the circuit, district, and synod are run. I see utter contempt for the Scriptures, the Confessions, and the souls of members.

Jeff Gunn is doing the same thing in Phoenix. But relax, folks, they are studying the issue, due to their grave concerns about the souls involved.

Introduction to the St. Peter, Freedom, WI letter

WELS To Ask Jeske - "Is You Is or Is You Ain't?"

The WELS DP is supposed to be asking Jeske, "Are you WELS or LCMS?"
Lately he has been featured on the LCMS website (above), published by CPH,
and promoted by Missouri,
preaching and teaching at Missiouri congregations.




I got a gal that's always late
Every time we have a date
But I love her
Yes I love her

I'm gonna walk right up to her gate
And see if I can get it straight
Cause I want her
I'm gonna ask her

Is you is or is you ain't my baby?
The way you're actin' lately makes me doubt
Yous is still my baby-baby
Seems my flame in your heart's done gone out
A woman is a creature that has always been strange
Just when you're sure of one
You find she's gone and made a change
Is you is or is you ain't my baby
Maybe baby's found somebody new
Or is my baby still my baby true?

Is you is or is you ain't my baby?
The way you're actin' lately makes me doubt
Yous is still my baby-baby
Seems my flame in your heart's done gone out
A woman is a creature that has always been strange
Just when you're sure of one
You find she's gone and made a change
Is you is or is you ain't my baby
Maybe baby's found somebody new
Or is my baby still my baby true?



Jeske is "fifth generation WELS"
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Light in the Darkness of Intrepidville

Melanchthon's work on justification by faith can be read
in the Augsburg Confession and the Apology.
I prefer Melanchthon to Webber, Rydecki, and Kokomo.



Mr. Douglas Lindee said... 
 
Dennis, Thanks for the info on the wider and narrower senses of sanctification and repentance. I am aware of them, and their usages – Professor Lyle Lange's commentary on this subject was most helpful in this regard! However, Scripture does not consistently speak of Justification in multiple senses. Theologians do, and they do so in the same way that they divide Scripture into "fundamental" and "non-fundamental" doctrines – when Scripture doesn't do this either. That is what makes these distinctions entirely synthetic, and not exegetically necessary.


Despite the words of Hoenecke, Schaller and others, I understand perfectly well from Scripture that there is only one Justification, but this is not what the words of these men say, as described above and as written elsewhere. Further, there is no attempt in the entirety of these works – none – to explicitly show that by using these synthetic distinctions, they are merely describing two sides of one Justification. The reader has to filter their words and divine their intent to arrive at this conclusion, because their words, on their face, say no such thing. In contrast, Professor Lange, in his commentary on Sanctification, was very careful to explicitly define the distinctions he was using, and how those distinctions clearly descended from usages in Scripture.


But understand how these synthetic distinctions have created, or threaten to create, an anthropocentric Gospel. One of the most egregious abuses of the Gospel is to make man a part of the work that saves him. This is synergism, and semi-pelagianism. In an effort to avoid the charge of synergism (the charge that man’s faith constitutes a work by which he merits justification), the distinctions of OJ/SJ were explicitly created in order to emphasize Christ’s objective work and eliminate any hint that man’s work is involved in his own justification.


Christ blood and righteousness is all-sufficient, faith is created in man by the Holy Spirit through the Means of Grace and passively receives the gifts offered to man in the Gospel of Christ. Fine. But what have the gifts become? By needlessly extending Christ’s acquittal/absolution/justification to the whole world, the gift is no longer “Christ’s righteousness,” but “my righteousness,” “my sinlessness,” “my justification.” Christ possesses what is already mine, and offers it to me in the Gospel. Stated another way, Christ withholds what is rightfully mine until the criterion of faith is satisfied. And so man has found his way into the Gospel, not as one performing the work, but by making himself part of the gift. This is anthropocentrism in the extreme. This is, of course, ridiculous.


It is not what the Scriptures teach, but is the consequence of words describing “Objective Justification” as “forgiveness and/or righteousness that is already ours in Christ,” “I have already been justified, and receive the benefit through faith,” or “I am saved by Jesus Christ, just like you.” As I stated above, the truth of these statements is not universal, they depend on who “I” am. – Am “I” or “you” or “us” among the regenerate, or not? The fact is, what Christ possesses is entirely His own. What He freely offers in the Gospel is entirely His own. I appropriate this gift, and it becomes mine, through faith, and through faith alone. It is not mine prior to this, but is Christ’s alone. Douglas Lindee ---

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LPC said...
Pr. Paul, This is also why I think we should say that the Atonement alone is not quite sufficient for describing the object of our faith. This is where we split the road. I disagree with you here. I disagree because this necessitates a different understanding of what the Law condemns us of. Also I disagree with you on exegetical grounds as found in Romans 3:25-26. In the whole paragraphs of Roman 3:21-26, links Atonement, Faith and Justification. There the object of faith is the Atonement but what the verse says is that when that object of faith is the right object, the result is Justification of the believer.


The KJV shows this forth plainly in Romans 3:25, faith in his blood, atonement. Indeed you and Pr. Jay are in the same boat because your object of faith has an extra item and negates Romans 3:25. In this position of yours, faith in Justification is to you, Justification! Rather what Luther always contended, is against this in his Galatians Sermon, rather Luther says - Faith IS Justification, it is Justification because the object of faith is THE Righteous One who gave his life as Atonement. Through faith HIS blood, i.e., the righteousness of the one who was making Atonement, the believer gets imputed to him, this Righteousness of Christ, it IS Christ's Righteousness that gets credited to the believer.


Hence now and I close... the position you and Pr. Jay have is indeed Waltherian - all have already been absolved in Christ, what is left is for the sinner is to access this verdict which already happened in the past and access this indeed by faith. I appreciate your struggling with this but what is happening to you (if I may respectfully say) is the same thing that is happening with Calvinist Federal Visionists. The Federal Visionaries wants to go Lutheran on the Sacraments! They come very very close to the finish line where the Lutherans are standing, but the fumble? Why? because their ankles are chained to the starting post.


For your case - it would be the Waltherian post... to quote Walther but not to endorse him when he says.... "For God has already forgiven you your sins 1800 years ago when He in Christ absolved all men by raising Him after He first had gone into bitter death for them. Only one thing remains on your part so that you also possess the gift. This one thing is--faith. And this brings me to the second part of today's Easter message, in which I now would show you that every man who wants to be saved must accept by faith the general absolution, pronounced 1800 years ago, as an absolution spoken individually to him." C. F. W. Walther, The Word of His Grace, Sermon Selections, "Christ's Resurrection--The World's Absolution" Lake Mills: Graphic Publishing Company, 1978 J-5 p. 233. Mark 16:1-8.

Thanks for publishing my posts, I appreciate your doing that. LPC





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GJ - Error loves ambiguities. The Confessions provide clarity and precision.

I am drawing a blank about this Lange author. Was he part of the Book of Concord? Syn Conference members should stick to the ruled norm for citations. Otherwise we will end up with a blog discussing the collected wisdom of Dennis Rardin.

Just For Laughs - Fellowship Principles from the Unprincipled


The Frog in the Kettle is Barna's book about how to boil alive the church members by introducing change slowly so they will notice it. Barna is a Fuller and WELS favorite. One WELS member told me that his pastor gave him the book to read.

It is bad enough to boil members alive, following Barna - but to brag about it? Try not to laugh the next time some WELS leader talks about fellowship principles or Walking Together. Stalking Together would be a theme more honest.



So many denizens of The Guilt Factory--aka The Love Shack--took courses at Trinity Divinity (Eee Free), Deerfield, that their fave school listed them twice in their own catalogue. Can anyone connect the dots between that and The CORE, which plagiarizes the same basic materials? Does anyone wonder why nothing is done about The CORE?


Fuller Seminary is the most popular school for leaders of the LCMS and WELS, with ELS and ELCA studying there as well. All the WELS foreign and American mission leaders were trained there, plus David Valleskey and Frosty Bivens. The "consultants" Larry Olson, Jim Huebner, and Paul Calvin Kelm were trained there, too.


Steve Witte was one of the founders of Church and Change. He got a drive-by DMin at Gordon Conwell. WELS immediately promoted him to the paid position of Asian Lutheran Seminary Board. That will keep Shrinker Lawrenz in line! They must laugh at Church and Change conventions - about how they keep one another employed on the synod's dime. What fun.


Willow Creek is the crown jewel of the WELS worker training system. Like Trinity Divinity in the vicinity, Willow Creek is close enough to run over for continuing education. One of my pastoral friends in WELS told me about being given free training by the mission board - at Willow Creek. After that, his bulletins said (like WC's) - We do not expect visitors to give to our church. Blah. Blah.

Foreign Students Are Walking Bags of Money - WELS


A legalist in WELS is someone who opposes CG doctrine.


I remember when John Lawrenz was president of Michigan Lutheran prep. He described how Missouri took down their prep system by underfunding it, and tried to ballast their parochial schools with students from all over.

Lawrenz is now at WELS' portable Asian seminary. What he described was already happening in WELS' worker training schools. He was happy to join the trend to de-fund the schools in the name of Church and Change.

WELS describes their foreign students as "walking bags of money." I heard that they extract $30,000 a year from the college students. Remember - if you hear a WELS official deny these things, I would not accept anything they said, even if their tongues were notarized.

Foreign students are being used to prop up the system, and the parochial schools are being used as employment agencies for friends of the congregation. For instance, one WELS church has 10% of its own members in its "school," which is pre-school and kindergarten. Tuition = salaries.

One of my college students is in China, and she wrote about how much pressure is put on children to earn a degree in America. What our lazy students do not realize is how valuable an American degree is - all over the world. One teacher said, "Any American bachelor's is welcomed all over the world, if you want to travel and teach." I said, "What about a master's degree?" She said, "Oh my. Many times more so."

So it is relatively easy to get rich foreign students to help prop up the failing WELS school system. Look below and you will see a blogger's post on how ELCA underfunded their seminaries for many years. Missouri is even more stingy with their seminaries. I just read about one dropping out to pay down some of his debt. He was warned that he might not get back in.

The Boomer church leaders are as arrogant as SS guards, with the same warm personalities. They prop up their corrupt clergy friends while acting as if they are guarding the sanctity of their synod.

Lately I have some laughs on the phone with people. We enjoy those claims that others cannot comment about their denomination unless they are members. ELCA talks about all denominations. Missouri does. WELS does. The ELS does, but nobody notices. Each franchise has its own talking points about its glorious dispersion of grace and the evils of all the others. The ELS and WELS pastors do not respect each other at all. They are like two step-children forced to live together and not happy about it.

I would be happy to write about the Plymouth Brethren, if I knew any. The only one of note is Garrison Keillor, who pretends to be Lutheran. Hearing him is as painful as listening to Paul Calvin Kelm, who also pretends to be Lutheran.

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bruce-church (http://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Foreign Students Are Walking Bags of Money - WELS":

Dr. Jackson wrote: "Missouri is even more stingy with their seminaries. I just read about one dropping out to pay down some of his debt. He was warned that he might not get back in."

I'm betting that the LCMS seminary thinks if the guy does drop out, he'll end up transferring to one of the much less expensive Canadian Concordia seminaries. I know that sets of brothers have gone to both seminaries, so some are at Ft Wayne and others live in NY near the Canadian border, and make a 15-minute commute to seminary in Canada.