More Plagiarism from Paul McCain, MDiv

http://cyberbrethren.com/2012/04/20/commemoration-of-john-bugenhagen-pastor/

"His" post on his blog, linked on LaughQuest.

http://lutherimwald.wordpress.com/category/bugenhagen/ - the original post.

This looks like another verbatim copy. See for yourself.

I see nothing wrong with cloning an entire post, if the original author is clearly identified and his contributions are acknowledged with the right editorial formatting.

This is disgraceful, to pretend to be writing Cyberbrethren posts while copying them from other sources. But he is busy ordering people NOT to quote me or link me. I wonder why. The guilty runs when no one pursues. He startles at the sound of rustling leaves.

Big shot!

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "More Plagiarism from Paul McCain, MDiv":

McCain has some interesting fellowship principles. Quote and link to the Antichrist all you want, but the same is verboten when it comes to Dr. Jackson. Dr. Jackson is worse than the Antichrist it seems.

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GJ - Bruce, you are the only person who imagines that Paul has principles.

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bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "More Plagiarism from Paul McCain, MDiv":

Why the WELS and LCMS don't grow. The UOJ doctrine makes them too close to the reformed doctrinally. I just rec'd an email where former WELS members who moved out east reported there was no WELS church in the area, so they checked out an LCMS church. The service was "pretty bad," the liturgy was "horrible," and the sermon was "uninspiring". The pastor joked around with the elders during communion. (Sounds like UOJ antinomianism at work, to me.) Having so quickly given up on the WELS and LCMS, they are checking out a Presbyterian church, and reported that "the reformed Presbyterian church (PCA) beliefs match up quite closely to the
Wisconsin Synod Lutheran" synod. Since they had a good experience with the PCA, they think that maybe "other [Reformed] conservative churches" like the Reformed Methodist and Reformed Baptists might be equally acceptable, but they haven't checked any of those out yet.

So you can see what is going on--the Lutherans copied the Reformed righteousness before faith concept, but not their limited atonement concept which puts the brakes on the antinomianism that righteousness before faith implies. Double-predestination also puts on the brakes, but only very conservative Reformed groups believe in DP. Anyway, that's why the Reformed have more gravitas than most Synodical Conference antinomians. Any gravitas the Synodical Conference had was a hold over from the days before they adopted UOJ.

This Is How I Feel When Kelming Luther's Sermons for Everyone To Use

Report of the Twelve Apostles, WELS. Glad They Were Not Around in the Early Days

"Be it further resolved...
What do you mean, one of us went to state prison?
And the Director of Communications did what?"

Time of Grace
The convention last summer acknowledged that the situation with Time of Grace and its status as a “Recognized Service Organization” (RSO) of the Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod (LCMS) was a source of some concern and confusion. The convention encouraged Time of Grace in its ministry of gospel proclamation; at the same time it expressed support for the Southeastern Wisconsin District presidium in its continuing efforts to bring the matter to a God-pleasing resolution.

The Southeastern Wisconsin District presidium reported its progress to the COP in October 2011. On the basis of conversations with Time of Grace and the LCMS official in charge of RSOs, the Southeastern Wisconsin District presidium reported to the COP that it determined that the relationship was not a violation of fellowship principles, since the LCMS and Time of Grace understood the wording in the RSO definition to mean something different than the words say. It was the understanding of Time of Grace that the publicly stated requirements for an RSO to be in agreement with LCMS doctrine and practice and to commit to fostering the mission and ministry of the LCMS did not really mean what a WELS person would understand the words to mean, and that the LCMS was making no requirements of Time of Grace to alter its message to conform in any way to LCMS doctrinal positions.

"Guard and protect the rot we have passed down to you,
thou founder of Church and Change."

In spring 2012, the Southeastern Wisconsin District presidium, along with President Mark Schroeder, met with leaders of the Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod to clarify how the LCMS defines and understands the Recognized Service Organization status. The LCMS explained that the published guidelines defining the relationship are intended to be used by the LCMS in evaluating organizations for this status and that the guidelines do not require an organization to change its message or its program to comply. It was this understanding that led Time of Grace and the presidium of the Southeastern Wisconsin District to conclude that the RSO status did not represent a violation or compromise of biblical fellowship principles.

The LCMS officials also reported that they are currently in the process of reviewing the entire RSO program with the intention of developing new requirements and guidelines. From what was said, the new guidelines may include requirements that would make it no longer possible for a WELS organization to have RSO status. Once those requirements have been adopted, Time of Grace has indicated that it will evaluate what is being required and take the appropriate steps.

Patterson's outreach to gangs has yielded these recent converts.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Wisconsin Lutheran College - Paul Kelm's Latest Ch...":

They would be more honest to maintain the mantra of their Synod Leader, Mark Jeske WELS/ELS/LCMS/ELCA, and refer to their group as Change Or Die.

Noticed that Jeff Gunn continues to teach (W)ELS sheep following his 2011 Youth Rally pied pipering:
Establishing a Vision for the Future, with Buy-In
Pastor Jeff Gunn of Cross Walk Church in Phoenix

As difficult as it may be to say, it's getting hard to think of (W)ELS leadership as crassly impotent and simply come away with the conclusion that they are intentionally enabling the New Age Emergent false teachers to lead their churches glibly into the Last Days.

Buckets of shame they heap upon themselves, from clergy worshiping with Baptists and Methodists, clergy learning evangelism from Satanic New Age motivational speakers, financing ELCA called worker abortions through Thrivent, financing the New World Order religion, the UN's United Religions Initiative (URI) through Thrivent, Change or Die seminars given by Synod cross dresser and (W)ELS Media celebrity Pastor Mark Jeske, unconditionally forgiven homosexual child pedophile (W)ELS Communications Director Hochmuth ...

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GJ - Hochmuth's name does not appear in the report. Remember how Schroeder and Otten went Medieval on me about the MLC gay video? Otten apologized to WELS for printing the truth. Soon after the Hochmuth scandal broke and page-reads doubled for a long, long time. The video continued to be posted on Facebook on its own page. Now it is gone, but replaced by two more copies posted by fans. Here is a message posted on that page:

A request from one of the originators of the video, and from all the guys in the video...I don't know who the administrator of this group is, or who created it, but it's time to get rid of this group, especially since the video is still posted on it. The video was removed from YouTube for a reason...because we didn't want the video open to public viewing. It puts those of us in the video in a bad light, and we don't want it posted anywhere, anymore. So please, if you are the administrator, or know who the administrator is, please remove this page and the video from Facebook. Thank you!

One comment below:
Hank Williams hmmm and when did that happen? After Hochmuth was arrested for distributing child porn? You should really think how your actions can lead others into sin ans stop hiding behind the 8th commandment. No one would have anything to say if you'd used your other head and thought through what the ramifications were goig to be. And BTW it doesn't just put you in a bad light - it harms MLC and WELS. No shortage of stupid here?! Right.

Response:
Troy Schreiner You're right, sir. It was a mistake. It doesn't make it an excuse that it was a dumb thing we did in college, and we didn't think it through. It was a poor decision, and we now regret it, which is why we've been working to get it taken off of every public venue since it first happened. We have repented and asked for forgiveness for what we did and haven't "hidden behind the 8th commandment" at all. It does put our school and our synod in a bad light....which I reiterate is why we're trying to get rid of it, so it isn't available for people to see anymore. As I said, we've apologized, we've repented, and we've been forgiven by our God and by those we've apologized to. Hope you can do the same, Mr. Williams.

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GJ - Obviously people made copies of the video and it will never go away. Martin Luther College is completely lacking in faculty supervision. The college students were angered that I posted objections to their gay plagiarism and they grudgingly said they would forgive me! The objections came from WELS members and several WELS pleas are still on that special FB page of theirs.

SP Schroeder's claim in Christian News that the video was taken down is ridiculous for anyone under nursing home age. The video was linked to many different gay websites, and the people they copied were flattered by the imitation.

The MLC guys should apologize for lying about not knowing the original was a gay video. That also seems to come from the locked ward of the nursing home. "Hey Maude, look at those Lutheran boys dancing around like girls."

One person on the FB page asked:

Anita Hardkak shared a link.

August 8, 2010

Did they steal your idea for this vid? It's remarkably similar. Also, it's odd that FIP is a gay retreat camp, isn't it?

Party in the FIP / Party in the USA / MUSIC VIDEO

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Music Video to Miley Cyrus' "Party in the USA" Filmed with my Flip Video mino HD

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Anita Hardkak or like a gay beach?

August 8, 2010 at 7:27pm · 

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Adolph Hoenecke has left a new comment on your post "Report of the Twelve Apostles, WELS. Glad They Wer...":

..."did not really mean what a WELS person would understand"... "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is"-Bill Clinton. When did Bill Clinton become WELS?

Dropbox versus Google

Dropbox is safer than photographing lightning.

bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "LaughQuest Hypocrisy about McCain's Plagiarism":

DropBox is a "cloud" type application of the internet, and Google wants a piece of the "cloud" action:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47174300

Google's long-awaited entry is sure to raise questions about the immediate future of Dropbox, its startup rival in the space. Google intends to drop the digital hammer on Dropbox with cut-rate pricing, too. While Dropbox charges $10 a month for 50 GB, Google intends to sell 100 GB for $4.99 a month.

Drive is also offering consumers 5 GB of free storage — more than twice the 2 GB of free storage offered by Dropbox.

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"Ma, he's making eyes at me."

GJ - I am a contented user of Dropbox. If you want an invitation to get the free software, drop me (har har) a line at gregjackson1948@qwest.net. Send me the email address you want me to use and I will invite you via their server.

I now have 8.8 gigs of FREE space because I invite people and do other things (take the tour, install on my other computer) to increase the FREE space.

I have used it often. That is how I manage to publish all my books as PDFs for free. The link is on the left for every single one. That uses the public Dropbox function, which does not require the end user to have Dropbox.

I also used it to share photos. The sharing can be public or it can be with a limited group of people, defined by their emails.

My Moline classmate got me to start it. We were in the same chem-physics class in high school. Three of us earned PhDs from that one classroom: one in math, one in rocket science, one in theology.

LaughQuest Hypocrisy about McCain's Plagiarism

In Honor of Walther's 200th birthday - another cover-up.

Maybe my eyes have failed me. I looked several times on LaughQuest for Paul McCain's link to Cyberbrethren, the post where he copied verbatim from the Catholic Encyclopedia.

The Cyberbrethren post is still up.

Where are those bullies and thugs who beat up people who stand for justification by faith? They have no shame in their attacks on anyone who does not follow the unwritten rules of their little club.

I never saw a more maladroit bunch of misfits and misanthropes. They were all over me about graduating from Notre Dame with a PhD in theology, until I listed all the Ft. Wayne faculty who did the same thing. Not one of the LQ regulars has a graduate degree. They think an MDiv from a parochial school is a big deal.

Some people call the behavior at LaughQuest a symptom of the Imposter Syndrome. They want to be bigshots, as long as they do not have to do any work. They have the typical characteristics of the false teacher, which I am going to illustrate in the near future.

Summary: LaughQuest is against promoting Roman Catholicism, unless one of their inept members does it himself.

Wisconsin Lutheran College - Paul Kelm's Latest Church and Change Conference

Wisconsin Lutheran College:

2012 Leadership Conference Agenda

Friday, June 8 (morning)

Opening Worship

Plenary Session Presentations: "Leadership Roles and Relationships in the Church"

• Pastoral Leadership, a biblical and practical overview
  Dr. Allen Sorum of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary
• Lay Leadership, a biblical and practical overview
  Mr. Mark Massman, South Atlantic District representative to the WELS Synodical Council
• Issues of Tension and Opportunity, led by a panel of WELS leaders
  Lay Leaders Matt Trotter, Dave Schoeneck, and Kris Metzger, with Pastor David Kehl

Friday, June 8 (afternoon)

Seminar Sessions: "Leadership Skills for a 21st Century Church" (choose three)

• Defining Current Reality so that People Get It
  Pastor Elton Stroh of Crossroads Consulting
• Establishing a Vision for the Future, with Buy-In
  Pastor Jeff Gunn of Cross Walk Church in Phoenix
• Strategic Planning: Getting from Here to There
  Mr. Mark Wrightsman, President and CEO of PaR Systems in the Twin Cities
• Recruiting and Mentoring Volunteers
  Mr. Bill Meier, Director of WELS Kingdom Workers
• Team Building
  Mr. Rick Loewen, Director of Cross Train Ministries
• Dealing with Disagreement
  Pastor Charles Degner, Minnesota District President
• Assessment and Accountability
  Pastor Mark Henrich and Mr. Al Greschner of Atonement Lutheran Church in Milwaukee

Friday, June 8 (evening)

Networking fellowship, sharing common problems and successes, according to the size or situation of congregation

Saturday, June 9 (morning)

Opening Worship

Plenary Session Presentation: "Jesus' Mission in my Situation," introducing the importance of implementing leadership principles in a congregation's specific ministry context.
Pastor Jon Hein of Beautiful Savior Lutheran in Summerville, SC and chairman. of the WELS Commission on Congregational Counseling

Workshop Sessions: "Processing Principles – How Leaders Address Areas of Ministry" (choose two)

• Community Outreach
  Pastor Matt Vogt of Water of Life Lutheran Church in Las Vegas
• Children's Ministry that Connects
  Mrs. Cindi Holmen, WELS Coordinator for Early Childhood Ministry
• Leading the Lutheran School through a Time of Change
  Mr. Phil Leyrer, Principal of Siloah Lutheran School in Milwaukee
• Connecting Adults through Small Groups
  Bob and Karen Zastrow of Grace Lutheran Church in Milwaukee
• Ministries of Compassion for Hurting People
  Pastor Paul Kelm of Wisconsin Lutheran College
• A Fresh Look at Financial Support
  Pastor Ken Fisher, Director of Mission Advancement at Wisconsin Lutheran High School
• Leading Worship for the People You Want to Serve
  Pastor Aaron Christie of Trinity Lutheran in Waukesha, WI and member of the WELS Commission on Worship

Wrap-Up Open Forum (Quo Vadis) and Closing Devotion

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April 26, 2012



 2012 Leadership Conference - Register Today!
 “Leading Together  to Advance Christ's Kingdom” is a conference for pastors and lay
  leaders pursuing a biblical, honest, and practical approach to enhancing their  partnership in the church’s   mission.

 The conference is hosted  by Wisconsin Lutheran College in Milwaukee on June  8 and 9, in consultation with Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary and the WELS  Commission on Congregational Counseling.

 The agenda and registration  are  available online.

 The cost of $75 per person until May 15 ($100  thereafter) includes meals and materials.

 Plenary sessions will be led by Dr. Allen Sorum of Wisconsin Lutheran


 Seminary, Mark Massman of the WELS Synodical Council, and Pastor Jon Hein from

 the Commission on Congregational Counseling. A panel comprised of lay leaders

 Matt Trotter, Dave Schoeneck, and Kris Metzger and Pastor David Kehl will tackle

 the tough issues of partnership among pastors and lay leaders.

Give Stroh some credit - he was part of the team that shut down the Latte Church,
the one with this logo - a cross resting in a mug of coffee.
I call that a real turn-around.

 Seminars will teach leadership skills such as  defining reality, establishing a vision, strategic planning, recruiting volunteers,  team building, and more by people who’ve done it, including Pastors Elton
 Stroh, Jeff Gunn, and Mark Henrich, District President Charles Degner, CEO Mark  Wrightsman, and church leaders Bill Meier, Rick Loewen, and Al Greschner.

 Workshops that apply leadership principles to  critical areas of the church’s work, such as community outreach, worship,  children’s ministry, group life, compassion, and financial support will  be led by Pastors Matt Vogt, Aaron Christie, Ken Fisher, and Paul Kelm, teachers

 Cindi Holman and Phi Leyrer, and lay leaders Bob and Karen Zastrow.

 There  will be opportunities to network with Church and Change leaders in congregations like yours.

 Register a team from your congregation today.




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 Center for Church and Change in Exile
 Wisconsin Lutheran College


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My best advice would be to stay out of Milwaukee County this weekend. The stench will be overpowering.

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Another source wrote, sending the same information:

The straight poop, all the poop, and nothing but poop!  

The CORE Is Even Less Than a Stinky Bar And a Groeschel Slogan

This will soon be the third home for The CORE in as many years.

AC V has left a new comment on your post "Dual Post: Autism Awareness Day – Necessary Roughn...":

Is CORE even a church? I see it talks about Baptism and the Lord's Supper on its web site, but does it actually offer them? And if it does, does it do it in a way that shows the sacraments are central to the definition of the Church?:

"The Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered." - Augsburg Confession, Article VII: "Of the Church".

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GJ - The CORE has pretended being a separate congregation since it began. Unless things have changed, The CORE is simply a name attached to Glende's sheep-stealing program, a Sunday evening sermon direct from the Groeschel website. Copying and pasting is so laborious that Ski needs an assistant.

Rather than respect their brother pastors' work, the Church and Changers in WELS set out to drain members from nearby congregations. They have 100% support from WELS and the DPs.

Gunn's operation is almost the same in Phoenix, aimed at local WELS congregations,  endorsed by WELS and DP Buchholz.

Glend's pal at the fake blog did the same near Larry Olson's parish Love Park.

Another one can be found in Indianapolis.

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AC V has left a new comment on your post "Dual Post: Autism Awareness Day – Necessary Roughn...":

Joel, that's great! So, CORE offers Holy Communion as the Lutheran Church describes it?:

"...we do not abolish the Mass, but religiously maintain and defend it. For among us masses are celebrated every Lord's Day and on the other festivals, in which the Sacrament is offered to those who wish to use it, after they have been examined and absolved. And the usual public ceremonies are observed, the series of lessons, of prayers, vestments, and other like things." - Apology of the Augsburg Confession, Article XXIV: "Of the Mass."

Condescending Wonka Asks about Thrivent

Orthodox Lutherans Do Not Indulge in Double-Talk. Nor Do They Promote the Papacy

"I absolve those who bow down to Me,
but woe unto the impenitent, who crosseth Me and bedevileth Me."

I thought McCain's plagiarism of a Roman Catholic encyclopedia, promoted on LaughQuest, would have yielded a Page Not Found this morning.

Wouldn't LQ's peevish contributors complain about this bald-faced Roman Catholic propaganda?

The sincerest form of flattery is imitation. We know that McCain is lazy and intellectually dishonest, from the way he presented a papist page as his own, with a stealthy reference at the bottom. He got the graphic from one of many St. Mark sites, such an Episcopal church using the same artwork. I can track artwork too.

But McCain's material came verbatim from a Roman Catholic propaganda site, one clearly designed to draw Protestants into the fold. They have an impressive, world-wide drive to decimate other denominations through wolf-stealing and sheep-stealing. Wolf-stealing is getting an ordained minister to promote the pope before poping, so he can draw other wolves and more sheep into the realm of the Antichrist. The Roman Catholics are adept at this, but Lutherans do not give counter-propaganda an ounce of effort. 

The only serious Lutheran book about Roman Catholic doctrine is Catholic, Lutheran, Protestant. CPH would not touch it because I wrote for Herman Otten. I know, because I asked an editor at CPH why they shunned a unique book. Oddly, McCain worked with Otten and lied about it, so that rule did not apply to him. Many LCMS leaders have done the same, using Christian News to spin and spike stories, ostentatiously denouncing Otten as an unregenerate liar. 

Many times I coveted an editor's job at a Lutheran publishing house. That would have shackled me, taped my mouth shut, and ended my drive to write and publish. As a Random House editor told me, "Editors do not write."

Putting together Luther's Sermons, the Lenker edition, was labor-intensive and demanding, but also great fun. I have to moderate how hard it was, because technology allows a hideously designed webpage to be stripped of code and published in a neat format, in a matter of seconds. In case anyone wonders, this is how I do it.

1. Mark the text (or control-a).
2. Control-C to copy that text.
3. Control-V to paste that text into Notepad or a similar pure text program.
4. This strips the material of all web codes.
5. Control-A to mark the immaculate Notepad text.
6. Control-C to copy it into the Clipboard.
7. Control-V to paste it onto the blog page (or Word - but Word produces code promiscuously).
8. Save the page. Add graphics and some format.
9. Post the page.

That is how McCain plagiarized the Roman Catholic encyclopedia. The Biblical citations show up real purdy for him because there is a plug-in for that. I tried it once but found it annoying.

Who do people allow him to get away with this? Many are afraid of Harrison's hatchet man. 

I use the same system for Blog This! That is a Google tool for copying the link and a small part of the text. Most sites allow me to post most of their material because it brings them readers. 

I have an agreement with ChurchMouse to use a partial quotation so people will go to his site for the entire article. 

Blog This! shows up with the link near the top of the post and another citation at the bottom. I add the original graphic or my own, depending on the need. I make an effort to separate my words from those I am quoting.

I copy insightful comments into posts, so people can see them better. I also copy bizarre comments, so the writer cannot come back and kilcrease them. Kilcrease is a verb based on Jack Kilcrease's habit of posting comments and erasing them. It is contagious, because converts to UOJ do the same thing, but only when under the Knapp-Huber spell of universal absolution.

ELCA-trained WELS pastor's son, Jack Kilcrease, is  McCain's expert on UOJ.
Kilcrease teaches at a Roman Catholic college after earning a PhD in Jesuitry from Marquette.

NNIV's Rupert Murdoch admits NoW phone-hacking cover-up | Media | guardian.co.uk

Rupert Murdoch admits NoW phone-hacking cover-up | Media | guardian.co.uk:


Rupert Murdoch has admitted to the Leveson inquiry there was a "cover-up" at News International over the phone-hacking scandal.

Murdoch, the News Corp chairman and chief executive, giving his second day of evidence to the inquiry in London, said he was "misinformed and shielded" from what was going on at the News of the World, adding that there was a "cover-up".

Robert Jay QC, counsel to the inquiry, said there had been a consistent theme of cover-up during the phone-hacking scandal, and asked Murdoch where he thought this emanated from. "I think from within the News of the World," he replied.

Murdoch said there were "one or two very strong characters" on the now-defunct Sunday paper who, according to reported statements, had forbidden people from talking to Rebekah Brooks and James Murdoch, at the time News International chief executive and chairman respectively.

Murdoch said a News of the World editor was appointed – referring to Colin Myler, although he did not name him at this point – "with specific instructions to find out what was going on". "He did, I believe, put in two or three new steps of regulation but never reported back that there was more hacking than we had been told."

Myler was appointed in January 2007, after the News of the World royal reporter, Clive Goodman, and private investigator Glenn Mulcaire admitted phone hacking and went to prison. His predecessor, Andy Coulson, denied any knowledge of phone hacking but resigned, saying he took responsibilty for what happened.

Murdoch told the inquiry Myler "would not have been my choice" and that he was the choice of Les Hinton, who at the time was News International's executive chairman. He said he thought at the time there were stronger candidates from News International sister title the Sun.

Jay then asked if Myler was a weak individual and wrong man for the job. "I would say that was a slight exaggeration," replied Murdoch. "I would hope Mr Myler would do what he was commissioned to do."

When asked by Jay whether News Corp had managed the legal risk of phone hacking by covering it up, Murdoch replied: "No. There was no attempt either at my level or several levels below to cover it up. We set up inquiry after inquiry, we employed legal firm after legal firm. Perhaps we relied too much on the conclusions of the police.

"Our response was far too defensive and worse, disrespectful of parliament."

Murdoch later revealed he wished he had closed the News of the World earlier and also admitted he panicked when the phone-hacking affair blew up into a major scandal in July 2011.

"When the Milly Dowler [story] was first given huge publicity, I think newspapers took the chance to make this a huge national scandal. It made people all over the country aware of this, you could feel the blast coming in the window," he told the inquiry.

"I'll say it succinctly: I panicked, but I'm glad I did. And I'm sorry I didn't close it years before and put a Sun on Sunday in. I tell you what held us back: News of the World readers. Only half of them read the Sun. Only a quarter, regular."

Murdoch said he also made a major mistake listening to lawyers when Goodman alleged that others on the News of the World knew about the phone hacking.

"I should have thrown all the lawyers out of the place and seen Mr Goodman one on one and cross-examined him myself and made up my mind, maybe rightly or wrongly, was he telling the truth? And if I had come to the conclusion that he was telling the truth, I'd have gone in and torn the place apart and we wouldn't be here today," he added.

Earlier during the hearing, Murdoch agreed with Jay that the phone-hacking scandal had forced News Corp to drop its controversial £8bn takeover bid for BSkyB in July 2011.


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