Thursday, July 8, 2010

Color Me Surprised


AP – Observers Tricia Dykes Koenig, left, and Michelle Ready, right, smile as the General Assembly of the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church meeting Thursday, July 8, 2010 in Minneapolis votes to approve lifting the churches ban on ordaining non-celebrate gays and lesbians as clergy. (AP Photo/Jim Mone)


Presbyterian leaders approve gay clergy policy

MINNEAPOLIS – Presbyterian leaders voted Thursday to allow non-celibate gays in committed relationships to serve as clergy, approving the first of two policy changes that could make their church one of the most gay-friendly major Christian denominations in the U.S.

But the vote isn't a final stamp of approval for the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) or its more than 2 million members.

Delegates voted during the church's general assembly in Minneapolis, with 53 percent approving the more liberal policy on gay clergy. A separate vote is expected later Thursday on whether to change the church's definition of marriage from between "a man and a woman" to between "two people."

Under current church policy, Presbyterians are only eligible to become clergy, deacons or elders if they are married or celibate. The new policy would strike references to sexuality altogether in favor of candidates committed to "joyful submission to worship of Christ."

But such changes must be approved by a majority of the church's 173 U.S. presbyteries. The assembly voted two years ago to liberalize the gay clergy policy, but it died last year when 94 of the presbyteries voted against it.

Still, the proposed changes "have the potential to be historic," said Cindy Bolbach, an elder at National Capital Presbytery in Washington and the assembly's elected moderator.



Observers Tricia Dykers Koenig

**CORRECTS SPELLING OF LAST NAME FROM DYKES TO DYKERS** Observers Tricia Dykers Koenig, left, and Michelle Ready, right, and Laurie Kraus join in a hymn after the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church meeting Thursday, July 8, 2010 in Minneapolis voted to approve lifting the churches ban on ordaining non-celebrate gays and lesbians as clergy.

MINNEAPOLIS – A split decision from Presbyterian leaders on two gay-friendly measures guarantees even more debate among the U.S. church's members on an issue they've been divided over for years.

Delegates to the Presbyterian church's convention in Minneapolis voted Thursday for a more liberal policy on gay clergy but decided not to redefine marriage in their church constitution to include same-sex couples. Approval of both measures could have made the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) one of the most gay-friendly major Christian churches in the U.S.

Even the more liberal stance on gay clergy faces more debate before it can become church policy. A majority of the church's 173 U.S. presbyteries must approve it. Two years ago — after years of efforts by supporters — a similar measure was



Just a Few Early Polemical Works in Theology





Gnostic Society

The principal patristic texts of interest to Gnostic studies are listed in this section (all texts from Alexander Roberts, ed. The Ante-Nicene Fathers and Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers collection). The writings of Augustin against the the Manichaeans are also included.

A collection of the complete patristic writings, all carefully and recently reedited, is available at the CECL Early Church Fathers collection. This site offers the entire Ante-Nicene Fathers and Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers collections (about 38 volumes in the print edition), and includes a search function.

The advantage of our Gnostic Society Library collection is that all the "anti-gnostic" patristic writings, as well as numerous Gnostic works, are indexed here together by our search function. This allows rapid comparative searches on key names and subjects.


Patristic Polemical Works Against the Gnostics
Listed by Author

Ireneaus of Lyon:

Tertullian:

Origen:

Hippolytus:

Clement of Alexandria:

Augustine:

Others Writers:

Joe Krohn on Extra Nos





Greg,

Thank you for the commendation. You are somewhat of an enigma. When I read your posts in various places other than Ichabod, I see a different person. When I read your books I see a different person than what I read on Ichabod. First impressions are hard to shake. My first encounter with you was Ichabod and it made me quite angry. It did start me on a journey and I have seen things along the way. I have learned and re-learned things I had forgotten. For that I am thankful. When I was a younger man the end justified the means. That philosophy has changed as I grow older. I get the big picture of what you are trying to accomplish on Ichabod, but I do call into question the means. And I mean that sincerely.

Peace,
Joe


Extra Nos



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GJ - I always said Ichabod was a polemical blog, and polemical writings have a respected role in Christian theology. Look at how many works are titled "Against..."

The Enthusiasts of WELS have introduced their errors in a calm, smooth, beguiling way. One graduate of Mequon said Valleskey delivered Church Growth like an injection right to the arteries, but the same professor acted as if he was forced into studying CG for that odious conference paper he gave, arguing that figs do come from thistles.

The Shrinkers are nasty, dishonest, and greedy. I did what I could using all the normal channels in the past, and I published my research with my name on it. The WELS pastors and laity cheered silently from the sidelines but did nothing about it.

Joe has a good example of how they work in his own congregation. Patterson and Gurgle are moving within three miles of his Round Rock mission congregation.

Shrinkers say, "You are not being brotherly" whenever someone talks to them about their errors, which is something they demand (Matthew 18) but still treat as a sin.

How brotherly is it to destroy a neighboring mission in the name of outreach?

The Shrinkers have done this repeatedly, because their fragile egos demand it.

Joe, you are honest about your opinions. I am very pessimistic about WELS and the ELS, but I am optimistic about the efficacy of the Word in the Means of Grace.



Mequon Proves 16th Century Origin of UOJ





bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Mequon Proves 16th Century Origin of UOJ":

Ah yes. Luther explains UOJ to the first storm trooper in 1528, who then forms a holy order called the UOJ Stormtroopers.

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GJ - That makes sense to me - like Joseph inventing tennis. "Joseph served in the courts of Pharaoh." That is the level of UOJ exegesis.