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Monday, December 10, 2012
ChurchMouse Is a Good Source for Articles on the Current Situation in the Church
churchmousec (http://churchmousec.wordpress.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Rob Bell Tells How 'Love Wins' Led to Mars Hill De...":
Thanks for this, Dr Jackson.
People instinctively know right from wrong. This is something the Church of England hierarchy could also take note of with regard to church attendance and godly preaching. (Meaning: there would be more 'bums ['bottoms'] on seats' if the sermons were more biblical.)
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Elmo puppeteer Kevin Clash faces fourth underage sex accusations - baltimoresun.com.
Will SP Mark Schroeder Absolve Clash?
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Elmo puppeteer Kevin Clash faces fourth underage sex accusations - baltimoresun.com:
"A fourth accuser is coming forward to claim he engaged in underage sex with former "Sesame Street" puppeteer Kevin Clash.
On Monday, Florida-based attorney Jeff Herman filed his third lawsuit alleging that Clash, now 52, engaged in sex with minors. Herman also has filed suits on behalf of two of the previous three accusers.
All three cases allege civil — in other words, noncriminal — violations, and are pending in the Southern District of New York. All three seek unspecified damages."
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Let's See DP Buchholz and SP Mark Schroeder Deal with Mark Jeske's Abundant, Obvious Doctrinal Errors
quercuscontramalum (http://quercuscontramalum.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Mark Jeske Is the Rob Bell of Lutherdom":
Is there an "Incomplete Gospel & Not Enough UOJ" hotline to WELS HQ to report offenders? (Is that what the 2nd building is for? A call center and foreclosure lawyer war room?)
What is this "terminal sinfulness" they describe in #3 of Jeske's Quatro-Quatenus Theses? We're all already guilt free saints.
Further it states, "only through the innocent and death [ __________________ ] of Jesus Christ can anyone be saved." Jeske left a gaping hole where the Resurrection should be. Paul thought the Resurrection was necessary for conquering death (1 Cor. 15). Jeske must be slacking his Baptist conference attendance. They pound Romans 10:9. (But don't read v10 out loud at SynHQ.)
Jeske is a leader of men. |
GJ - Almost any denomination, sect, or heresy could find aid and comfort in Jeske's statement of faith. The words have been carefully crafted to offend no one except God - and that is the greatest offense of all.
That says a lot - that Buchholz and Schroeder have left it alone.
Remember that when WELS is crying "False teacher!" Try not to smile.
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Mark Jeske Is the Rob Bell of Lutherdom
David Becker pointed out the glaring omissions in the statement of unfaith posted at Time of Grace, the media ministry of the LCMS and WELS.
All the Church and Changers like Don Patterson adore Time of Grace because Mark Jeske is the real leader of WELS. Mark Schroeder is the overpaid managing editor of the PR releases, the talking head for The WELS Connection, the absolver of child abusers, the UOJ enforcer.
Jeske is also a bored member of Thrivent.
I was shocked and confused that Paul McCain quoted Luther's sermon verbatim on Cyberbrethen--even giving credit to the Reformer--so I decided to look up Mark Jeske's Statement of Faith.
My first thought was, "Where is the rest of it?"
I will copy it here, so you can copy and paste it, before asking your DP why Jeske is allowed to be on the air. The bold-face is in the original. Here are the capitalization errors and leaden English.
We believe in the triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
We believe that God has revealed himself through his word, the Holy Bible, and that the Bible is divinely inspired and without error.
We believe that all human beings are terminally sinful and that only through the innocent and death of Jesus Christ can anyone be saved.
We believe we are here on this earth to spread the good news of Jesus Christ to as many people as possible.
There are no references to the Ecumenical Creeds, the Book of Concord, or the Lutheran Church.
The statement on the Holy Trinity is vague enough to placate the Mormons.
The sentence about God and His Word is almost completely empty of meaning, little more than saying water is wet and the sky is blue. The Sacraments are missing, because that would annoy the generic audience Jeske covets. The efficacy of the Word would also arouse suspicion in those potential donors. Let everyone figure it out for himself.
"Terminally sinful" is one of the funniest statements I have seen, something I would reserve for the Icha-slang Lexicon. So - how does one recover from this terminal condition, Rev. Mark? There is no answer. No atonement. No redemption. No forgiveness. No justification by faith.
A bold confession of UOJ would really rock this page and send the prospective audience out the exits. The eloquent Jeske has mentioned "pre-forgiveness" on his entertaining show, so I am certain he is a stealth UOJ fan. His utter lack of faith confirms it.
The "terminally sinful" in ELCA would like this confession of unfaith too, because the resurrection of Jesus Christ is missing. So is eternal life.
Born of the Virgin Mary? Missing. As one Leftist minister-to-be said, "The resurrection and virgin birth are not important doctrines."
We are here on this earth to spread the news of a God without wrath sending His Son without a cross into a world without sin. (That was Niehbuhr's definition of liberal theology, and Jeske fits it quite well.) The last statement is really an ad for Time of Grace, a morsel of Law to tack onto this avalanche of grace.
"As many as possible" - that will take a lot of money.
David Becker's Point
Becker wondered in Christian News why WELS ripped into Pastor Paul Rydecki for teaching justification by faith while leaving Mark Jeske as their superstar with this pagan confession of unfaith.
In fact, WELS took years to "deal with" Mark Jeske, resulting in DP Jon Buchholz joining the chorus of Hosannas for Jeske at the convention. Buchholz was alleged to be a critic of Jeske, signing the secret Internet petition to do something about the heretic.
That same Buchholz swept down on Rydecki's congregation, slandering the faithful pastor, dividing the congregation, and foreclosing on the loan - IN FOUR MONTHS - after promising to study the issue with all concerned in the future.
Lutherdom's Rob Bell
Mark Jeske has already shown he will go the way of Rob Bell. Mark will continue to use a few Biblical words to decorate and highlight his pagan success philosophy, pleasing the rich donors and anesthetizing the vapid sheep.
ChurchMouse has also written about Rob Bell.
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Rob Bell Tells How 'Love Wins' Led to Mars Hill Departure.
Watch Mark Jeske Follow the Same Spiral
His Mars Hill congregation got the "No Bell" prize soon after Love Wins lost out. |
Rob Bell Tells How 'Love Wins' Led to Mars Hill Departure:
By Katherine Weber , Christian Post Reporter
December 3, 2012|5:05 pm
Former megachurch pastor Rob Bell, founder of Mars Hill Bible Church in Grandville, Mich., recently shared how his 2011 book, Love Wins, led to a fallout with the congregation and forced him on a "search for a more forgiving faith."
Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-tells-how-love-wins-led-to-mars-hill-departure-85995/#HS6TMdw1Xk8USjIx.99
Bell details this search in a recent interview with The New Yorker, and discusses his invitation to Christians interested in a different kind of church, "one that can keep pace with the rising 'waterline of culture.'"
"Bell is now loosely aligned with a cohort of pastors worldwide who are searching for ways to move beyond old-fashioned worship," Kelefa Sanneh of The New Yorker wrote in an in-depth, Nov. 26 feature on Bell, entitled "Hell Raiser."
The main issue discussed in Bell's recent interview regards Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived, in which the former pastor questioned the existence of hell and the evangelical teaching that only those who believe in Jesus Christ go to heaven.
Bell received a vast amount of criticism for his book and even lost members of his Mars Hill Bible Church congregation. The New Yorker writes that "word went out that a prominent megachurch leader had rejected Hell, thereby embracing heresy."
Critics accused Bell of being a heretic, a political liberal, and a Universalist, among other labels.
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Bell told The New Yorker that the publication of his book resulted in a 3,000-person decrease in membership at Mars Hill Bible Church, which he founded in 1999.
"The book put pressure on the people around Bell, who found themselves having to defend statements they might never have heard, let alone approved," The New Yorker writes.
"Congregants reported that friends and family members were asking why they were allowing themselves to be led by a false teacher," the magazine continues.
Wife of the megachurch pastor, Kristen Bell, remembers staying home from service for some weeks because she could not stand the criticism her husband was receiving for his book.
"There was a cost," Bell told The New Yorker.
"And part of the cost was, we couldn't keep doing what we were doing at Mars Hill," she added.
The Evangelical Alliance issued a review of the controversial book, saying that although Bell displays "brilliant communication skills" in Love Wins, he also communicates only part of the truth regarding hell, which can be "disturbing to those who believe in the other half of the truth."
Others, however, argued that those accusing Love Wins of being a book about simply heaven and hell were missing the bigger picture and message conveyed by Bell.
"[Love Wins] is a book that invites people to remember the life God is offering them and that encourages them to thrive as they joyously participate in that life," wrote Julie Clawson, a Christian blogger for the site OneHandClapping.
Bell, however, argued that he never meant to be controversial with his book.
"My interest is in what's true and where is the life and where is the heart and what inspires. And if that happens to stir up a few things, that's something I accept," Bell said at the time of his book's release, as previously reported by The Christian Post.
Ultimately, Bell and his wife chose to leave their West Michigan church and seek a new way of life in California, where Bell and Carlton Cuse, producer of the hit TV series "Lost", are teaming up to work on a "faith-inflected talk show."
Bell also holds retreats with fellow pastors near his Orange County home, and enjoys surfing. He is also working on a new book.
As The New Yorker points out, although many viewed Bell's Love Wins as a form of evangelical dissension, others view Bell as "a reassuring figure: proof that it's possible to challenge certain articles of faith without leaving behind faith itself."
"Before, he was a dissenter in evangelical West Michigan," Sanneh writes for the magazine. "Now he is a lifelong believer in secular Southern California. And, in that world, his faith may seem more distinctive – and more important – than his doubts."
Along with Love Wins, Bell is the author of The New York Times bestseller Velvet Elvis. In 2011, Time magazine named Bell one of the 100 Most Influential People in the World.
Teaching Pastor Shane Hipps temporarily took over Bell's position at Mars Hill from Dec. 2011 until June 2012, when he announced that he would be stepping down from his position as lead pastor.
Mars Hill Bible Church is now led by Pastor Kent Dobson, son of well-known megachurch Pastor Ed Dobson.
Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/rob-bell-tells-how-love-wins-led-to-mars-hill-departure-85995/#HS6TMdw1Xk8USjIx.99
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