Intrepid Calls WELS Convention - Punk, Pass, and Kick

July 29, 2011 8:17 AM

Pastor Spencersaid...

I recommend we save ourselves a whole bunch of key-strokes in the future when talking about this pathetic convention. From now on I'm going to refer to it simply as "WELS PPK," or just plain "ppk." That stands, of course, for "Punk, Pass, and Kick." They punted on all difficult decisions, passed just about everything else, and kicked the confessionals who signed the first Time of Grace Memorial in the teeth.

In my humble opinion.

Pastor Spencer

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Hey Mister Lindee,

I guess I wasn't even thinking about a corporate act. I wrote "we" meaning individuals. I think that is where the real power lies because it's in the hearts of individuals where the Holy Spirit works. I think we each need to be talking to our grannies and our 8th graders, although in the process certainly referring them to Intrepid any anyone else with viable and honest analysis of the NNIV.

I think an incorporation and wonton advertisement of IL is a very good idea, but if we each rely on the internet and use it as an excuse not to have hard conversations with our own people nothing will change.

I for one am not looking forward to having this conversation with some of my family because they are the sort that will go along with the WELS regardless of anything. They will be uncomfortable with the idea of a rift between WELS people and the conversation will get turned aside a dozen times to avoid the necessity of making a judgement call that will invariably alienate them from someone in our family.

How many other deeply-rooted WELS folks will be forced to make judgement calls--picking sides and perhaps, (as it will in my family) cause BIG TIME family division? I suppose that quite a number of families are in that same position.

You see why I might not post my name with comments like this? Christian discernment is already going to cause familial problems and it won't help reading about it on the internet. I hope IL admin will post this unsigned comment--and I promise to sign my name in the future.

But I'm sure everybody here can sympathize. The WELS is close-knit and we 're all going to have to make difficult calls. A great battle to fight is one against the NIV 2011, but it's got to start with our own families.

--Bored 

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LutherRocks said... 

 

The NNIV is a great rallying point...however that is not the root cause. The problem is a willingness to compromise for the sake of union and mission...but soon enough all will be compromised away and WELS will be standing on sand... because after all...all this discussing of doctrine gets in the way of saving souls.

Joe

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AP said...

I'm just going to first say the obvious thing here: If the translation WELS adopts needs a disclaimer insert (an entire booklet!) warning readers of the various false teachings or errors it promotes then maybe--just maybe--we ought not to adopt it in the first place. Honestly, how many people are even going to buy the NIV 2011 if the first thing they need to do is read about how full of errors it is!

I just heard Professor Wendland say during this morning's discussion that the committee believes that there is no better translation option than the NIV 2011. How can they possibly have come to this conclusion when the thing needs a booklet (not a sheet of paper but a booklet) to explain its shortcomings?

It at least appears that this decision is going to be put off for a while. In any case, the most powerful way to make one's voice heard on the matter is by voting with your dollars. A major drop in NPH sales will get someone's attention. Before anyone gets the wrong idea here, I am not calling for a 1765-like organized boycott. I am, again, just stating the obvious I think.

Dr. Aaron Palmer

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Dr. Palmer

Touché.

Let us ask ourselves what Luther might think of a translation that needed an addendum to warn readers of error. Am I wrong to suppose he'd say: "Well, go fix the errors before you publish it, ya morons!"?

If the WELS (or any church) feels the need to write an 'warning of errors' for the Holy Scriptures aren't they placing upon Scripture something extra needed for proper understanding of it? The Errata booklet would be nothing less than a key to Scripture. And THAT necessitates the question: Is the NNIV safe to read without the extra pamphlet? Probably not, If the errata pamphlet-writers truly feel, in good faith, the need to write the pamphlet.

So if you can't safely read the Bible without also knowing and studying the pamphlet, how is the pamphlet any less than Scripture? If the Bible and its list of warnings are inseparable, how is that not disregarding the warning in Rev 22:18?

Fair question, I think. I'd be curious to know what someone in favor of the pamphlet idea would say.

David Kreuter

Kicking the NNIV Decision Down the Road Is Part of the Plan To Adopt It

California wrote about WELS kicking NNIV down the road.

WELSians need to remember that "consensus building" does not mean seriously considering objections to an agenda already determined, in this case acceptance of NNIV.

In the parlance of the dialectic operational in WELS these days, consensus building is a process to discuss - so objections and reasons for objections can be identified in order to facilitate circumventing objections. If some absolute objections or resistance can't be circumvented or disarmed, the "refusniks" will be isolated and eventually eliminated one way or the other "down the road". That's how the PPBS, Management by Objectives, Dialectic works, folks.

It may have been better had the the convention voted to dive in and adopt the NNIV July 2011, for it would have avoided what will snare many, disillusion others, and cause gradual pain and dissension until the process arrives at the predetermined "consensus" allowing what the translation committee recommended in the first place. Those who can't accept NNIV could find it more clearly obvious that they need to depart, which a remnant will end up doing anyway. But the body of WELLS will find it difficult, for they have sat in the pews for a generation softened up with NIV which should never have been accepted. The original "KJV has to go" agenda prevailed, and NIV was as good as any to accomplish that, warts and all. Now it doesn't really matter to the change agents what replaces NIV, just as long as it isn't KJV.

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GJ - Several long-term WELS members have noticed that their pastors and good friends from the sect have switched positions over the years, adjusting to Holy Mother Synod's flip from one side to another.

The King James Version is only one example, but the key one, as California has often stated. WELS got rid of her for disagreeing and raising issues. They excommunicated her for doing what they said members must do - go to the individual and write letters. Does that sound familiar? Texas? Appleton? Anyone? Anyone?

At one point, someone wrote me, the Sausage Factory students were graduating with a hatred of the King James, which is really the English version of Luther's Bible. Just as Luther's Bible established the hallmarks of the German language, so Tyndale's established English (with some help from the Earl of Oxford, aka Shakespeare). The literary achievement of both Bibles is itself a tribute to the literary abilities of both men, truly God's chosen instruments for the task, even though others helped and advanced the efforts.

Although Pope Paul the Unlearned dislikes the NNIV and questions its adoption in WELS, I heard no objections from his massive desk at CPH. His recent post cast aspersions on the New KJV (which the ELS likes) without giving reasons beyond "the text." I doubt whether McCain understands the text issues. The text fantasies of Tischendorf, Wescott and Hort are the foundation for the flight from the best translation, giving people warrant for Anything Goes Bibles.

I read Jester's tirade against the New KJV. John Jeske (aka Jumpin' Jack) was in bed with the NIV from the start, so it is not shocking to find Tom and Mark in the same unionistic frame of mind, just as David Valleskey's father reared him in unionism.

Language is everything in conveying the Word of God. Lenski often discusses the importance of understanding each word in the original, so the WELSian elite are quick to denounce Lenski.

Contemporary Bible Twisters Adopt Mascot: WELS Finds Problems But Loves It Anyway

Critics dog Moo.

Endorsements from Church and Change Mentors

Smoke and Mirrors

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Brett Meyer said...

Read the bios of the individuals who translated the 2011 NIV.

http://www.niv-cbt.org/translators/

The translators of the NNIV would form a veritable Medusa of false teaching and enthusiasm based on their confession and background. Is it any wonder that the NNIV furthers the Baptist, RCC, Reformed, Pharisaical, Feminist and New Age religious agenda which the apostates in the Lutheran Synods are lusting after?

Bach

LCMS Women's Ordination Advocate Endorses WELS NNIV Position

Marie Meyer is Pastor Herman Otten's sister.
She is consistent in her statements.



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Re: WELS 2011 Convention 7/25-7/29

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The Translation Evaluation Committee made the best use of the time available to them and did spend the most time working with the NIV2011. Gender inclusive language was a concern to the committee. However the truth regarding male and female roles is clearly taught in NIV2011; it is not a feminist translation.

The above reflects a perspective lacking in the attitude of some LCMS particpants on this Forum toward the NIV2011.

Marie Meyer

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http://www.niv-cbt.org/translators/

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Contemporary Bible Twisters Adopt Mascot: WELS Fin...":

Read the bios of the individuals who translated the 2011 NIV.

http://www.niv-cbt.org/translators/

The translators of the NNIV would form a veritable Medusa of false teaching and enthusiasm based on their confession and background. Is it any wonder that the NNIV furthers the Baptist, RCC, Reformed, Pharisaical, Feminist and New Age religious agenda which the apostates in the Lutheran Synods are lusting after?

More Mush from the Wimps - WELS Kicks the NNIV Can Down the Road

From the Pickled Pietists of Pewaukee:

Delegates adopted three resolutions Thursday, July 28, that set the stage for choosing a Bible translation that WELS can use in its publications.

The first resolution thanked the five-person Translation Evaluation Committee (TEC), which has been evaluating the New International Version 2011 and other alternatives for the past year. President Mark Schroeder put the committee together in 2010 because the NIV 1984, the translation currently used in WELS publications, will not be available for use in the near future.

The resolution also asked that the TEC continues to function to educate the synod on the translation principles and to help build a consensus on which translation to use for synod publications.

Rev. Paul Wendland, TEC chairman, says that the committee is already planning a symposium on the topic in November and looking into other ways to keep the conversations going. “I’m really looking forward to a symposium to be held in Mequon where we can hear from all different perspectives,” says Wendland. “Maybe as we talk together all in the same room we can come to a greater consensus.”

Another resolution asked that a task force be appointed to study the feasibility of producing a confessional Lutheran translation and/or study Bible for whatever translation was selected. [GJ - Hahaha. Put Wendland in charge. He will hire Moo.]

The last resolution recommended that the TEC produce a “Final Report” that incorporates input it receives from ongoing evaluation and that the district conventions choose a translation via ballot next summer. The resolution calls for a two-thirds majority vote of delegates at the district conventions; otherwise the decision will be made at the 2013 synod convention or in a special single-issue convention next summer.

The TEC recommended in its report to the convention that the NIV 2011 could be used with a high degree of confidence by our church body. “It’s a translation that is rendered in good, contemporary English. It is very familiar to our people—it won’t involve a large change that would be disruptive. Ninety-seven percent of the words in the new NIV are exactly the same as the old NIV,” says Wendland. “We are concerned about different points, but as we compare them with the other versions we’ve looked at out there we don’t see any other version that takes care of all those problems without adding more of their own.”

Others, however, expressed concern over the TEC’s recommendation of the NIV 2011. Delegate Rev. Paul Naumann from Good Shepherd, Benton Harbor, Mich., says that no translation is perfect, but that he feels the NIV 2011 overuses gender-inclusive language and over interprets messianic prophecies. “In my opinion and the opinion of several others it is the overall weight of objectionable passages that make us prefer to consider another option,” he says.

Naumann was happy that the resolutions give the synod more time to continue this discussion. “I didn’t want us to make a hasty decision,” he says “We need to take the time to do the necessary study and make an informed decision. I think the resolution provides for that.”

“We knew coming in that people wanted to have more time because a consensus in our church body just hasn’t been reached,” Wendland says. “So we need to work really hard looking at other versions as well, making sure that we’ve been able to do as much due diligence to them as we have had time to do on the NIV 2011.”

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GJ - Naumann's father was the SP who got Church Growth started in WELS.

This reminds me of the nursing journal I found at Yale Medical School when I was working there. The practical suggestion was, "Ask the patient if he wants his enema before or after dinner." That gives him a choice and makes him happy to be in charge.

So WELS asks, "Do you want to approve the NNIV now or at the district conventions?"

I tried this approach with bathtime, when LI was a toddler. "Do you want your bath now or later?" LI said, "Neither!"

Wendland is happy - it's in the bag.

Naumann can boast he is a confessonal Lutheran leader when he is actually a recessional Lutheran, leading the sheep out to the slaughter.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Contemporary Bible Twisters Adopt Mascot: WELS Fin...":

Read the bios of the individuals who translated the 2011 NIV.

http://www.niv-cbt.org/translators/

The translators of the NNIV would form a veritable Medusa of false teaching and enthusiasm based on their confession and background. Is it any wonder that the NNIV furthers the Baptist, RCC, Reformed, Pharisaical, Feminist and New Age religious agenda which the apostates in the Lutheran Synods are lusting after?

Took the Test, Diagnosis Needed for Treatment

Cover one eye. Which cat is clearer than the other? OK, cover the other eye. Cat one or cat two?

One optician tested my eyes recently and found a potential for glaucoma. She suggested more testing.

As most people know, untreated glaucoma leads to blindness. Those little pumps in the eye keep up a precise pressure. If the pressure is too high for a period of time, vision is destroyed. The onset is subtle.

Family history matters, and my father had glaucoma.

The Lutheran sect approach is to avoid testing at all costs. If someone offers a correct diagnosis, or even asks for more testing, that individual is run out of town (figuratively and literally) and attacked in every possible way.

I went to the one of the best eye clinics in the area. I knew it was a classy place, because the posted dress code was - Wear shoes.

I did not want to hear bad news, but I thought going blind would limit the damage I do to UOJ, so I took the tests. I am fine for now, but will need annual testing.

The Lutheran sects have been promoting falsehood for decades. Everyone knows it but few survivors want to deal openly with it. Without a proper diagnosis, additional blindness will follow.

WELS Has Leaders - All Bad. Remove Them All.Publishing News

The younger WELS discussion, below, illustrates what a waste of time and money the WELS convention was.

Publishing news:

Luther versus the UOJ Pietistists: Justification by Faith will be revised in the near future.

The Story of Jesus in Pictures is being readied for publication in due time. I will have a revision done today.

I am working on a murder mystery for the future. A novel can be a good platform for promoting a perspective, so I decided to try my hand at that. I am mentioning the because people push me along once I admit I am going to write something. Pardon the pun, but there is no deadline established.

The Changers will be relieved, but I am not letting up on them. If I can shed some light on what is happening, I will, but more of the posts will be about doctrine rather than Lutheran leaders feathering their nests by promoting apostasy.

Losing by Winning: Younger WELS Members Not Fooled

Mark Jeske has moved full-time to Time of Grace,
meaning he is too precious to waste his time in pastoral work.

Discussion on Facebook

Gregg Batzer

I used to contribute to Time of Grace Ministry on a regular basis, but quit doing so. The issue that bothered me was that Jeske preached one message to one group of people and another message to another group of people and elevated people of known moral flaws to high status. The law and gospel are meant for all and his occasional scripture-poor messages undermined his normally good ones. I wrote to Pastor Jeske about this and did not receive adequate responses. The later controversy over Jeske's involvement with LCMS raised still more questions for me. I get the impression that Jeske has a tendency to push the envelope, to stretch his Christian freedom a little too far.

Scott Barefoot

My own personal story of "dissapointment" with Pastor Jeske (not that it is one of biblical importance) was last winter when he was one of the "Key Note Speakers" at the WELS College Rally (I attended as a work shop speaker). He got up there and basically showed a "sales pitch" for his Time of Grace T.V. Program. After his talk, he said "Sorry, I have to run... but, please feel free to talk to my staff...".
I just thought that was really, really BAD form. Here he was, invited to be a "Key Note Speaker" at a college rally, and gives a "sales pitch" before pawning everyone off on his "staff". If anything, I personally, think his ego just needs to be "taken down a few notches".
I think his ability to share God's Word with "The Masses" via a syndicated television program is a great one. I just (personally) question his motives, at times.

Gregg Batzer

Scott,
That reminded me of an incident where a friend and I felt duped into attending a short seminar put on by lay people associated with Time of Grace. The invitation was a short, vague statement indicating that we would be learning evangelism techniques. It turned out to be a recruiting pitch to join Time of Grace. It more notably spoke to all of the great things that Pastor Jeske does, but said little of the the gospel message and the work of the Holy Spirit.

Joe Jewell

No problem, Scott!

(In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a signatory to the first memorial [2011-06U] so obviously I support it.)

To the points that Scott and Gregg have made: I was also present at the 2010 College Rally this past December (Scott and I were both workshop presenters). I was absolutely not impressed with the Time of Grace video Pastor Jeske showed--not only was it pure self-promotion, it wasn't even self-promotion aimed at the right audience (WELS college students)! He was clearly recycling a past fundraising video and passing that off as his "keynote speech"! Even worse, as Gregg notes above, there was not even a word of the Gospel, or the action of the Holy Spirit, and none of the "success stories" of people that ToG had supposedly reached mentioned any involvement with churches of any denomination (let alone WELS/ELS churches). They were all basically stories revolving around "Pastor Jeske inspired me to improve my life". It was very works-oriented and very Jeske-focused.

(If I am misconstruing the video--and I don't think I am--I would welcome a link or a transcript.)

 

Convention Summary: Church and Change Shuts Out Opposition. NNIV To Be Pushed Again

Mark and Avoid Jeske Memorial Explores the Outer Limits of Irony

Two memorials were proposed about Mark and Avoid Jeske. The discussion today ended with DP Buchholz supporting Jeske, the anonymous leader of Church and Change. Buchholz is supposedly the only DP in favor of reform.

My favorite moment arrived when DP Rutschow (on the far left of the bus) played the role of aggrieved Doctrinal Pussycat. He admitted, with some emotion, that his coven already approved of Jeske in this matter, cautioning everyone that the convention was no place to discuss doctrine.

DP Rutschow got rid of the mother church of WELS and its pastor--Hastings, Historic St. John in Milwaukee--over a minor incident that was quickly resolved with apologies made and damages paid. Rutschow went for scorched-earth revenge, and everyone lost out.

But when Mark Jeske is involved, and his false doctrine is well known, the motto is "Touch not the Lord's anointed!" - which applies to Jeske, the DP, all DPs, all officials, etc. etc.

I believe it was a delegate who cited the Eighth Commandment and the Fourth Commandment. Innocent readers, you need to know that Jeske's published false doctrine is beyond reproach. But even more importantly, it is a Fourth Commandment sin to question the Doctrinal Pussycats. God put them there, through electioneering and even with some fraudulent voting, but God works in a mysterious way His wonders to perform. To question the WELS officials is to question God.

The First Table is missing from the WELS Ten Commandments. So is the Sixth Commandment. Just remember the Fourth and Eighth. If there any questions, ask your CP or DP, but not in a way that will cause them to excommunicate you.

Everyone dodged the issues by talking vaguely about RSO status in the LCMS. The two sects are already engaged in a non-geographical merger with ELCA and the Little Sect on the Prairie.

A cat inside a fish! Ironic!

More irony from the WELS convention:

1. The WELS convention addresses RSO status with another Lutheran group while ignoring that Jeske is the leader (with District VP Patterson) in studying/worshiping with all the worst false teachers in America.
   
2. The intellectual leaders of WELS, whose IQs may reach three digits, argue for the NNIV, while trying to claim they care about the Word of God.
   
3. Every issue should be discussed, but not at the convention. That should be done with the Doctrinal Pussycat and kept a secret.
   
4. Christian Life Resources, after jettisoning the name WELS Lutherans for Life, because they broke with Missouri, needed some kind of resolution to preserve their family values PR spin, even though the pastoral director divorced his wife and married his sexretary.
   
5. The WELS Militant did not officially reject the NNIV but only dithered about approving it at this point in time.
6. Failing to confess the truth of the Gospel or to repudiate error, WELS congratulates itself on being "confessional" while routinely trashing the Book of Concord in favor of their Wauwatosa shrine.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Mark and Avoid Jeske Memorial Explores the Outer L...":

Buchholz didn't rebuke Jeske for his false doctrine and practice? Do tell. Ineffective? Say no more.

DP Buchholz' 2005 UOJ essay promoting the false and abundantly contradictory gospel of Universal salvation was supremely effective.

Jay Garcia
In a world where teens are always looked at by the eyes of the Devil a WELS youth rally is a blessing it shows that even in this world where sin is everywhere there teens that still believe that we can help show to other people that Jesus saved all and that the Father loves all of his children.
Sunday at 9:10am · Like · Comment

http://www.facebook.com/teenrally2011?sk=wall

Nineveh Living PC Porno-Myth Version Vote Fails:WELS To Slip It to the Districts

Mequon said, "Moo!" and Murdoch's slaves replied, "BOHICA!"


Jonah 3:10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened. 

Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Official Minutes - Overpaid Seminary Official Tells Official Lies

A Babtist--who denies infant faith, infant baptism, the efficacy of the Word, and the Real Presence--will lead you.
Doug Moo, Wheaton College

From the official minutes:

Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary President Paul Wendland presented the report of the Translation Evaluation Committee. He introduced the members of the committee and explained the reason why the question of Bible translations is before the convention. He emphasized that the choice of a translation is not a doctrinal issue.

He asserted that a word-for-word translation is not possible from one language to another and that there is no perfect translation.

Three known reasons motivating the production of the New International Version 2011 (NIV11) were mentioned: Language changes, scholarship advances, and the mission of the Committee on Bible Translation (CBT), which demands that the translation utilize current and common language. Language has changed since the NIV84 was published. Wendland noted that every WELS congregation has the privilege of choosing the translation it wishes to use, but a translation decision is needed for Northwestern Publishing House. The Translation Evaluation Committee made the best use of the time available to them and did spend the most time working with the NIV2011. Gender inclusive language was a concern to the committee.

However the truth regarding male and female roles is clearly taught in NIV2011; it is not a feminist translation. Old Testament verses containing Messianic prophecy were carefully studied. Old Testament pronoun references to God are not capitalized, but that allows each reader to come to their own conclusions. Decision options available to the convention were outlined. In his closing remarks, President Wendland noted how humbling the work on this committee has been for him. He requested that although the matter is very emotional for many, the WELS be able to maintain the unity of the Spirit and the bond of peace as translations are discussed. President Wendland was thanked for his presentation.

Did people laugh Wendland off the stage? Probably not. A translation is not doctrinal, but the Baptists always to after the sacramental passages and wipe them out. They turn the Great Commission, a Gospel admonition, into law - "Go make disciples."

Where is "communion with the body of Christ" in the NIV? Gone. Where is "baptism now saves you." Eliminated.

The classic NIV prepared WELS and Missouri to embrace the Church Growth Movement. The Ninevah - NNIV - will finish the job.

I remember when people scoffed at the Living Bible for inserting the author's own words into the text. Now the WELS Translation Commissars say that is the best way to translate.

Did Wendland mention the lesbian activist who helped with the classic NIV they love so much? I doubt it. Everyone must be overjoyed that the same philosophy will keep the NNIV from straying into political correctness.

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Even McCain, Missouri, and CPH are against the NNIV:

1. Major Evangelical Organization Says It Can Not Endorse NIV 2011
2. NIV 2011: Proceed With Caution
3. Updating the New International Version: Translator’s Notes [revealing the agenda driving this translation]
4. Why We Must Avoid Gender Neutrality Like the Plague
5. God Inspired Metaphors: Another Key Problem with NIV 2011
6. ESV v. NIV
7. Is the NIV Really Easier to Understand than the ESV?
8. Why Has The LCMS Adopted the ESV as Its Translation of Choice?

Litmus Test: Another Kind of Chemistry

Bethany could not talk, roll over, or crawl, but she understood everything.
Like many with neurological disorders, her biggest problems came from the coarse and ignorant, not from her condition.

I was on Facebook with some friends from Moline, including my best friend from comic book collecting days. The loss of a child came up, so I mentioned our daughters, adding, "You would be surprised how many people have lost a child."

My friend, who once lived two blocks away from my home, added, "I lost my son when he was only 17." Until that moment, I did not know about his loss.

Tomorrow and August 2nd mark two birthdays, the first one for Erin Joy, the second for Bethany Joan Marie. Birthdays and Christmas, Mother's Day and Father's Day, make us pause and think even more about their great love for so many people. Bethany had a nurse who was disciplined for loving her so much. Erin had a large fan club, including groupies who bought special clothes and toys for her, just because they wanted to give back to her. Erin had a mountain of toys we gave to others as they accumulated, and the best dresses any girl could want.

When a child develops a major health problem, there is not much mental energy left for coarse and ignorant people who pretend to know something. They leave an indelible bad impression on many who will never say anything. Those who lost someone early are more inclined to mark and avoid rather than be reminded of similar loutish boors from the past. One nurse said to us, "When she eats solid food she will be fine." That would cure a lot of disorders, except foot-in-the-mouth disease.

A pediatrician said, "I wanted to see if she was spoiled." He had this little experiment. I asked, "Have you read her file from the Cleveland Clinic?" I wanted to say, "Did you go to medical school?"

Long ago we decided that people that blind are not going to respond to facts, research, or common sense. The doctor in question had to be ordered by a local judge to spend time with his errant daughter. When a judge had to issue orders to a parent with a medical degree, the dysfunction is obviously at high-tide.

That is why the "conservative" pastors shock me by parading even worse behavior for thousands to observe. They are not content to ruminate privately with their drinking buddies, but proclaim what they are for everyone to see. Doubtless they learned pastoral care from the Kidnapper and Mob Organizer, C. F. W. Walther. He wrote a book on that. Everyone should buy Walther's Pastoral Care for laughs. When the children he kidnapped from his father's parsonage died in America, far from their legal guardians, did C. F. W. send a letter of condolence or just say, "They wanted to be kidnapped"?

We know how much Walther cared about the troubles he caused for Bishop Stephan's son, because Walther tricked the young man out of 80 acres of farmland bought with the bishop's own money. They were not even the son's legal right to give away.

The Syn Conference leaders today model their behavior after Walther's. I wonder if Pope John the Malefactor even paused to consider what he was doing to families whose breadwinner only had a worthless MDiv from the Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie. Did getting rid of pastors and congregations breathe new life into the ELS? Luther said in his sermon for this Sunday, "Moses wanted people pious or dead."

That is why I believe the visible church leadership is comprised of non-believers who know how to go through the motions, the same way I can join the Ohio State cheers without meaning a word.

I took this photo of Erin Joy and developed the print in my darkroom.

Identify the Author and His Job

McCain loves my Photoshops. He wrote that himself. He is no longer banned by the ALPB hall monitors.

"There were not many calls. There was one issues in absetntia and one issues to one woman who was at the service."

Let's see if he ever fixes it.

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Identify the Author and His Job":

Taking a blind stab here -

Author: Father Paul McCain
Job: Heretic
Occasion: Preaching on the festival of St. Mary Magdalene as his mother, Jean McCain, was being called into the Pastoral Office by the Grace Lutheran Church in Leslie, MI. (LCMS).

Favorite pastime: Persecuting the Faithful.

Favorite Memory: Father John Neuhaus who left the Lutheran Church, denied Justification by faith alone, and died in the arms and confession of the Antichrist.

"He opened several doors for me while I served The LCMS President, making it possible for LCMS leadership to make direct contact with the Vatican, when ELCA leaders were intent on cutting us out of formal conversation with Rome."

"I felt Richard John brought to the Romanism he embraced a hearty and full measure of the joyful Gospel rediscovery of Martin Luther, for which I am grateful."

http://cyberbrethren.com/2009/01/08/a-grief-observed-richard-john-neuhaus-1936-2009/#comments

http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2009/11/lutheran-lcms-contra-catholic-rev-paul.html 

One of McCain's former friends is editor Herman Otten.


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GJ - Brett, you get an A for accuracy and a B for brevity. I was looked for: "Paul McCain. CPH Editor and spare room blogger."

McCain told SP Al Barry that Otten refused to meet with the LCMS leader. That was not true. Anyone who knows Otten realizes that he will meet with anyone. After all, Otten met with Kieschnick before the Texan became SP. Otten worked feverishly and secretly with McCain to get Barry elected.

I always wondered why Barry did not get in the staff limo and have his Iago drive him to New Haven, Missouri, 100 miles away. As Luther says in the sermon for this week (Lenker set), the world is ruled by rage and shunning. Barry embraced and mollified the Left in Missouri, but turned his back on the people who elected him.

Kudu Don Patterson and the Cone of Uncertainty

Wednesday, July 27, 2011

Don and the Cone of Uncertainty

Central Texas has been at the mercy of a dome of high pressure this summer; suppressing any chance for the development of rain.  The scenario self-perpetuates itself by intense heating during the day that the rising ground temperatures feed the atmospheric heating therefore feeding the upper level high and exacerbating the situation further.  Experts say that a strong storm off the Gulf of Mexico would help to break down the pattern and provide some relief to the intense drought...as unfortunate as that might be with the inevitable destruction that comes with these storms.  As of this evening, Austin and much of the area is in the 'cone of uncertainty' and is hopeful...prayerful that we will see some relief.

According to the Holy Word Website, a Voter's Meeting has been set for Sunday, August 28th, 2011.

May the Good Lord provide relief.

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GJ - Those pastors who teach justification by faith do not need bunny rabbits in their ads to promote Easter services.

He Promotes the NNIV for the KJV's 400th, So He Will Promote the Reformation's 500th? Hahahahahaha!

"I would rather have Larry Olson chair the committee. Seriously."

"Rev. John Braun, chairman of the Reformation 500 committee that was appointed by the COP in 2009, shared what plans are being put into place to celebrate the 500th anniversary of the Reformation in 2017. Some of these plans include area Reformation rallies, a celebratory book of essays, a new video on the life of Martin Luther, as well as a series of Bible studies and special services."

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Pharisaical Piety on Display

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Re: WELS 2011 Convention 7/25-7/29

« Reply #58 on: Today at 06:03:48 PM »

The most egregious application of the unit concept I have ever experienced was after my father's funeral.   Dad was Missourian, and Mom WELS.  They were members of an LCMS parish and baptized (and catechized some)  their first six kids in their LCMS parish.  Mom transferred to a WELS parish before the SC split, but dad was not big on attending church, only for funerals and weddings.

When dad died in 1981, we approached our WELS pastor about burying him from the funeral home, but he said no, so my aunt's LCMS pastor agreed to it (her parish was where dad last held membership) and buried him.  The WELS pastor attended the funeral, and admonished me (at the after funeral luncheon) for our participation in the prayers, hymns and service.   I had to ask him to back off and leave Ma' alone..

Romantic Comic Left Behind by ELS Observer

Ukraine Heretic Speaking at WELS Convention

Slide from the Ukraine - "Without WELS, the Word would not be as effective."

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GJ - I was watching and thought, "I'll bet John Shep is going to phone me." A short time ago, John Shep phoned and said, "You probably thought I was going to phone you."

He had some questions for your evening discussion:

1. Is the ULC bishop still on the payroll of Lutheran Heritage, a Missouri RSO?
2. Does the bishop have a 6,000 square foot home?
3. If the ministers are without shoes and clothing, why are they wearing them in photos and vacationing in Italy?

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Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "Ukraine Heretic Speaking at WELS Convention":

The second and third questions seem to explain, "Without WELS, the Word would not be as effective"

The laity are getting a good shellacking during this convention! If WELS had a dollar for every compliment given to the incompetent Bible selection committee they'd be debt free - doctrinally broke mind you - but debt free.

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GJ - The compliments were really the standard way of getting into criticism. One must start, hat-in-hand, pleading ignorance, speaking in a halting voice, and denying any possible negative inference from what is coming. The only one who did not do that was their lone supporter, who launched into his confused defense of the NNIV.

So the compliments were just a prelude to the real content. I heard voices cracking with emotion, although quietly expressed, which told me how enraged they were. Naumann was one example.

Two DPs spoke against adopting the NNIV now, which was the sole agenda item of the Changers Translation Commissars.

By far, the strongest speech was DP Glaeske's "Slouching Toward Gomorrah" comparison. If examined closed, it was brutal, especially coming from a senior DP. He made the cultural comparison, that the NNIV was aimed our current culture, then moved to the book by Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork - Slouching Toward Gomorrah.

Babylon would be negative enough for WELS, but Sodom and Gomorrah represent the absolute pit of immorality in the Old and New Testaments. Look up the passages in your NIV, gentle readers.

DP Glaeske asked whether WELS wanted to go down that road and whether WELS would be stranded there. The sect made a grave mistake in adopting the NIV and persecuting/abandoning the KJV. Those who practice BOHICA get BOHICA in return. Billionaire Left Murdoch owns the NIV and calls the tune.

God's judgment will be measured out upon WELS in the coming years. Look at the sound theologians forgotten and excluded. Count up the crimes of the church workers against the members - often unpunished and glossed over. Read the putrid false doctrine being promoted at every teaching node of the sect.

Brett Meyer Reveals Why the Commissars Love, Love, Love the NNIV

Brett Meyer has left a new comment on your post "WELS Discussion Overwhelmingly Against NNIV. Trans...":

AC V correctly posted this issue with the 2011 NIV earlier:

NNIV Romans 3:23,24:

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Italicized "all" is not in the original Greek. Yet the "ad fontes" WELS endorses the NNIV. In fact, the committee commending the NNIV to the synod in convention this summer highlights these verses as an improvement of the NIV.

(W)ELS Pastor Patterson will welcome this perversion of God's Word, having just excommunicated Joe and Lisa Krohn for holding to Justification by faith alone to the exclusion of forgiveness and righteousness declared by God to those without faith. They've taught the false gospel of UOJ for years, Kuske having adulterated Luther's Catechism in order to insert the anti-Christian doctrine into the section on Justification. Now they have a chance to officially use a Bible that finally teaches the doctrine.

Are they kidding?!? At least concerning the central doctrine of Justification a person could read the KJV, or even the troubled '84 NIV, and only come away, by the gracious work of the Holy Spirit, with Justification by faith in Christ alone. The KJV and NIV required the manipulated explanation of a trained UOJ false teacher to hear and believe in the false gospel. Now a small child will come away with Justification before and without faith on his own - no further Scriptural manipulation required.

Posting these verses again because they ought to ring in the ears of the Lutheran laity, clergy and synod officials.

Revelation 22:18-19, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Communication by Excommunication: WELS Apostates Sell the Latest Edsel

"This beat-down is for your own immortal soul."

The abusive Leftist sect showed its true colors yesterday. While people were hailing the re-election of their non-leader Mark Schroeder, the Biblical Porn Committee was at work.

First, let's discuss the issue by having its chief advocate, Wendland, give a solo performance on how good the NNIV is. Wendland did that in the afternoon, repeating his district convention performance.

I did not look over the agenda. Did someone get equal time to point out the glaring faults of the NNIV? I doubt it.

The whole idea of Diaprax is to allow people plenty of time to discuss what has already been decided for them. Then it becomes their decision. They join in turning against anyone who doubts the wisdom of the dramatic change.

How much friendship was offered to those who continued to plea for the KJV, when Judas Jeske led WELS to the NIV? Those KJV pastors were excommunicated, thrown out. Yet WELS bragged about using the KJV beforehand, pointing out how those nasty Commie liberals switched to modern translations.

Someone pointed out how the KJV was printed on one side of the lectionary inserts, the NIV on the other side, for a period of time. The alternative was offered, then taken away. That is a good example of hypocrisy, where the KJV is printed to lead people away from it.

The KJV is Luther's English Bible, enjoying its 400th anniversary this year, but it is really almost 500 years old. Tyndale studied under Luther and Melanchthon at Wittenberg, printed his first English Bible in Germany, and suffered a martyr's death for the Bible. WELS chooses to remain ignorant of those facts as they lust for the NNIV.

The WELS translation commissars tried this fable on their audience - The Southern Baptist convention voted against the NNIV because they wanted to sell their own Holman Christian Standard Bible.

No, the Baptists have kept the KJV alive while the Lutherans chased after Baptist mentors like Doug Moo, Ed Stetzer and C. Peter Wagner. I question whether the Holman's leaden prose will catch on anywhere. Read the 23rd Psalm in the Holman on Bible Gateway. They must have thrown darts at sheet of words to come up with such horrible phrasing.

The Baptists are rather independent, too. They are not pulled along, like sows with iron rings in their snouts. Lutherans seem to conform for a long time, but they break out on their own too. No one knows where the breaking point is.

Knocking the Baptists over money is the laugh of the week. The only argument for the NNIV is the money issue. Billionaire Murdoch will shut down the old NIV in two years, so all the WELS NIV works will have to stop too. They want an easy transition into the wretched NNIV and saving money at that. In fact, they could switch to another translation tomorrow if they wished.

Get this, innocent readers - WELS is paying to use the NIV, so WELS is part of Murdoch's cash-flow. WELS will pay for any modern translation it uses in its materials. However, since Bibles sell well and keep changing every few weeks, any change is profitable, because high sales mean every Bible sold is pure profit.

WELS scheduled one hour for the translation commissars to bat down opposition to the NNIV. The discussion lasted about two hours, revealing the transparent excuses thrown out for the NNIV being adopted.

The pathetic translation commissars referred adoringly to Douglas Moo, Wheaton College professor. His job is to promote the NNIV, so his approval is self-serving and money grubbing as well. He has long been an advocate of radical paraphrase "translations."

Those who participate in these commercial ventures get all kinds of financial rewards for them. Like Jeske, they get free trips and other benefits. They are not going to list them, but the incentives are there.

If I could get an entire denomination, even a dying one like WELS, to endorse a constant-selling book of any kind, the cash spent to land a client like that would be coffee money.

The NNIV will be a big hit in the mainlines. The WELS endorsement is more evidence that WELS has been mainline, apostate, for decades.

Fuller alumnus and WELS VP Huebner sold Edsels before.
Look for the union label.