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Jars of Clay Frontman Comes Out in Support of Homosexual ‘Marriage’

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In a series of assertive Tweets yesterday, Dan Haseltine of the popular band Jars of Clay took to his Twitter account and came out in support of homosexual ‘marriage,’ citing that he does not “particularly care about Scripture’s stance on what is ‘wrong.’”

Haseltine, who is the lead singer of Jars of Clay and whose band became famous for its Christian-themed music, posted to his Twitter account on Wednesday: “Not meaning to stir things up BUT… is there a non-speculative or non ‘slippery slope’ reason why gays shouldn’t marry? I don’t hear one.”

“I’m trying to make sense of the conservative argument. But it doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny. Feels akin to women’s suffrage. I just don’t see a negative effect to allowing gay marriage. No societal breakdown, no war on traditional marriage. Anyone?” he went on to argue.

“I don’t think Scripture ‘clearly’ states much of anything regarding morality,” Haseltine stated.

According to Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus defined marriage in referring back to Genesis 2:24, ”…Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?’”

Scripture also addresses homosexual behavior in both the Old and New Testaments, warning that immoral sexual activity will lead to death and eternal damnation.

Haseltine argued in one post, however: “I think the vast interpretation [of Scripture] has left room for people to deal inhumanly and unlovingly toward others that don’t fit their guidelines.”

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“I don’t particularly care about Scriptures stance on what is ‘wrong,’” he stated in another Tweet. “I care more about how it says we should treat people.”

Jars of Clay was formed in Tennessee in the ’90s and is considered one of the most popular and acclaimed contemporary Christian bands today. In 1995, their self-titled debut album was a major success for the group, reaching beyond Christian radio play to secular audiences.

The group’s single Flood received heavy secular radio airplay and reached #12 on the Billboard Modern Rock chart and #37 on the Hot 100 pop chart. It’s debut album has achieved double-platinum sales in the U.S. since its release, while the group has scored 20 top 10 singles on the contemporary Christian singles charts.

However, Haseltine says that some stations have now decided to stop playing the band’s music due to his recent statements, and some fans have erased Jars of Clay from their music library.

“Caught wind that some radio stations have pulled my music and people are deleting my music from their playlists,” he Tweeted on Thursday. “Why?”

“Because you have decided to support a lifestyle God calls an abomination,” one follower responded. “The fallout was inevitable.”

Video of the Last Mark Jeske Change or Die! Conference

If you like ELCA, apostasy, abortion, and the Lavender Mafia,
attend Jeske's conferences to learn even more.

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Change or Die Conference 2013

The Change or Die Conference was held on April 18, 2013, at the Harley Davidson Museum Conference Center.  The guest speakers and their presentations were captured and are here for you to view.

• Pastor Mark Jeske, from Time of Grace Ministry and St. Marcus Lutheran Church, facilitated the conference.
   
• Rev. Dr. Jeffery Schrank, Senior Pastor, Christ Lutheran Church, Phoenix, Arizona.  Dr. Schrank is an energetic, outspoken leader who has helped Christ Church Lutheran grow from 2,000 souls to almost 3,000 in the last decade.  A former member of the LC-MS Board of Directors, Schrank embraces his church's urban neighborhood and enthusiastically supports Christ Lutheran School and its enrollment of over 480.  His "Best Practices" conference in February draws hundreds of attendees from all over the country.
   
• Rev. Dr. Paul Hill, Executive Director, Vibrant Faith Ministries, Bloomington, Minnesota.  Dr. Hill has more than 35 years of experience in outdoor ministries, lay education, youth and family ministry and congregational development.  He has served as a parish pastor, a camp director and taught for 17 years in theological education.  He is co-author of many books and articles including:  Up the Creek with a Paddle:  Building an Effective Youth and Family Ministry; Frogs Without Legs Can't Hear:  Nurturing Disciples in Home and Congregation; Coming of Age:  Exploring Identity and Spirituality in Younger Men; Operation Fuzzy Squirrel:  Effective Youth Ministry Practices.
   
• Dr. John Bauer, CEO, Bethesda Lutheran Communities, Watertown, Wisconsin.  Dr. Bauer is well-known in the Milwaukee area, having served as Academic Dean at Wisconsin Lutheran College and Executive Director of the CHARiS Foundation.  At present, he is the CEO of Bethesda, leading their wonderful ministries to developmentally disabled people and helping the organization change to meet new regulation and funding realities.  CHARIS was a birth-parent of Church and Change in WELS.
   
• Rev. Dr. Patrick Ferry, President, Concordia University--Wisconsin, Mequon, Wisconsin.  Dr. Ferry has served as Concordia's president since 1997 and overseen tremendous growth in the University's enrollment, campus capacity, and programs.  He oversaw the rebuilding of the magnificent bluffs above Lake Michigan, the opening of the new School of Pharmacy, a community baseball field, and the recent assumption of administration of Concordia Ann Arbor.
   
• Rev. Carl Leyrer, Pastor, Divine Savior Lutheran Church, Doral, Florida.  Rev. Leyrer has quietly led one of the most successful cross-cultural ministries in the Lutheran Church.  The congregation in this Miami suburb draws more than 200 in worship each week and offers a vibrant congregational life in both English and Spanish.  The congregation's school, Divine Savior Lutheran Academy, serves early childhood, primary school, middle school and high school-aged students.
   
• Mr. Frank H. "Dick" Moeller, President, Water to Thrive and Enovate, Austin, Texas.  A Harvard M.B.A. Moeller serves as founding principal of Enovate Enterprises, LLC, a consulting firm focused on assisting entrepreneurs, founders, companies and organizations to achieve their full potential with strategic planning, mentoring/coaching, market strategy, governance design and board services.  In addition, Moeller is the founder and president of Water to Thrive, a faith-based, non-profit organization that works to bring fresh water to rural Africa.  he serves also a chairman of the Board of Directors of Thrivent Financial - Funding Planned Parenthood's abortion business.

I am not going to say it,
but you know what I am thinking.

Mark Jeske's Newest Change or Die! Conference Packed with Anti-Christian Radicals

Change or Die Conference

Thursday, October 9, 2014

11:00 a.m. – 7:30 p.m. (approximate)

Country Springs Hotel
2810 Golf Road, Pewaukee, WI  53072

Near the Pewaukee Love Shack, WELS
262-547-0201
(If you would like to reserve a room, please call the number above.  A block of rooms has been reserved for this conference.  The Siebert Lutheran Foundation is not responsible for hotel charges.)

Our Change or Die Conference provides an opportunity for Lutheran ministry leaders to network and learn from each other.  The Conference is a safe place for assembling people from across the Lutheran tribes and building relationships across denominations. 

This year, the Conference focus is on the Dynamics of Leadership While Managing Change.  Our speakers are:

• Rev. Yehiel Curry, shekinah chapel, Riverdale, Illinois.
• Rev. Paul Kelm, Recently Retired WLC Campus Pastor, Parish Pastor, Missionary, Parish Counselor, now continuing in his role as a Visionary.
• Ms. Beth Lewis, President & CEO, ELCA's Augsburg Fortress
• Rev. John Parlow, St. Mark’s Lutheran Church, DePere, Wisconsin. WELS plagiarist. Affiliated with Willow Creek Community Church.
• Rev. Mark Schultz, LCMS Trinity Lutheran Church, Lisle, Illinois.
• Rev. Steve Wagner, Associate Pastor, Concordia Lutheran Church, San Antonio, TX; Pastor360; Christian Leadership Institute, Concordia University
Texas; former executive leader Pastoral Leadership Church Growth Institute.

The Conference includes lunch and dinner.  There is no charge for this conference.  Due to limited capacity, reservations are limited to church pastors (we will accept more than one pastor from a single church) and one member of their lay leadership team.  Registration is on a first-come basis.  We request that when you register, you commit to attend the ENTIRE event, including lunch and dinner.  Thank you for your understanding. 

Registration is limited, so sign up early!

Our Planning Committee consists of:

Rev. Jim Bickel, ELCA Executive Director, Outreach for Hope.                         Rev. Paul Hill, Executive Director, Vibrant Faith Ministries.

Rev. Mike Ernst, Retired Pastor, LCMS Hales Corners Lutheran Church.           

Rev. Mark Jeske, Time of Grace Ministry.

Brenda Skelton, President and Deborah Engel, Operations & Program Officer, Siebert Lutheran Foundation. (Siebert gives money to Time of Grace and to St. Marcus.)

If you cannot attend, but would like to be added to our mailing list for future Change or Die conferences and other events, please click here.

Videos of the 2013 Change or Die Conference can be viewed HERE.

Register

Both these clowns worked for Mark Jeske.
Tim vicared at St. Marcus.
Ski and Bishop Katy were on the staff together.
The Change or Die congregations of WELS
offer soda and snacks going into church.
Sugar-coated? No you can get diet drinks,too.

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Dr. Paul Hill – Change or Die Conference 2013

Vibrant Faith Ministries was honored this Spring by the Siebert Lutheran Foundation of Milwaukee, as an example of an organization that has made major changes in order to better serve it’s mission. Representing the whole organization, director Paul Hill, keynoted at the “Change or Die Conference” sponsored by Siebert. Church leaders from across the country came to be informed and inspired to change so as not to die.

GJ - Vibrant Faith was founded by Merton Strommen, ELCA, so it is safe to assume that the parachurch group is ELCAish, but that also include LCMS clergy as happy campers.

Helen Pins Back George Rolf Mueller's Ears

These are baby bats -
irrelevant, like George Rolf Mueller.

Helen E. Jensen (Helen) Senior Member Username: Helen Post Number: 6825 Registered: 7-2004

Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 1:02 pm:       It's just possible that George Mueller, who hides his identity, doesn't know anything about ELDoNA either. [I haven't read your opinions here. Long winded repetitions bore me.] I used to share classes, know and respect some of the men who are a part of ELDoNA. What I know now is that Augustana Ministerium is a Good Samaritan to men who need one, (whose own "brothers" are likely to turn aside), although some 'come around by night for fear of their DP'. Christ did not say you would know his disciples by their [anonymous] noisy name calling of anyone who might disagree with them.

SpenerQuest seems to exist to post hysterical attacks against justification by faith. George Mueller, in stealth mode, continues the tradition.

Confidential to George - Vast swaths of Missouri no longer teach that idiosyncratic fetish called UOJ. Worst of all, your Romanizing pal, Paul McCain, still sells a JBFA Small Catechism, the KJV Catechism.

Clean up your own tent before setting fire to another.

Obama's pajama boy in the White House -
so last year.

George "Rolf" Mueller Rages about the Augustana Ministerium and His Precious UOJ Fantasy

George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1421 Registered: 11-2012	Posted on Monday, April 21, 2014 - 11:36 am:       Here is the front page of the Augustana Ministerium website. Look at the names and compare them to the membership in the Evangelical Lutheran Diocese of North America. Now that ELDoNA has emphatically broken with the unanimous consensus among confessional Lutherans in America on objective justification, it is time for true Lutherans to do with respect to ELDoNA what ELDoNA has done with respect to them: MARK and AVOID. The Bible teaches objective justification. Deniers of this precious truth have been shown from Scripture again and again that God, for the sake of the vicarious satisfaction of Jesus, has forgiven the sin of the entire human race and justified this whole world of sinners. (John 1:29; Romans 4:5,25; 5:19; 2 Corinthians 5:19; etc.) Faith can trust no other gospel than a true gospel. If it is not true before faith believes it, faith cannot believe it. What a vicious error this is! It is inconceivable that an Evangelical Lutheran who has given any thought to this matter would want to express fellowship with deniers of objective justification. This isn’t a debate about terms. Anyone who has read ELDoNA’s official statement and the response of the ACLC and ELDoNA’s response to the ACLC can see that we are dealing with the cardinal teaching of the Christian religion here, and ELDoNA is wrong, promoting false teaching. Confessional Lutherans in the Missouri Synod that are presently bound to the ELDoNA through the Augustana Ministerium (which is dominated by ELDoNA) should either persuade ELDoNA to leave the Augustana Ministerium or they should leave it themselves and begin a new organization that will not tolerate such false teaching as ELDoNA promotes. To work together in common churchly endeavors with purveyors of such soul destroying doctrine is sinful unionism. Debates about church and ministry pale in comparison with ELDoNA’s error on justification. Will confessional Lutherans presently associated with the Augustana Ministerium take a public stand against the false doctrine of ELDoNA? Or will they, by their silent acquiescence, encourage these manifestly impenitent errorists to continue dividing the flock and leading precious souls into doubt through their false teaching on the article on which the church stands or falls?
Timothy Christian Schenks (Tschenks) Advanced Member Username: Tschenks Post Number: 924 Registered: 3-2006	Posted on Monday, April 21, 2014 - 12:12 pm:       For the last few years, Augustana Ministerium has been primarily supporting LCMS pastors who have been unscripturally removed from their Call, as the Missouri Synod's own ministerium fails to do so. Do you know of any ELDoNA pastors who have been unscripturally removed from their Call?
Helen E. Jensen (Helen) Senior Member Username: Helen Post Number: 6822 Registered: 7-2004	Posted on Monday, April 21, 2014 - 12:24 pm:       Better yet, do you know of any LCMS organization that is helping men un-Scripturally removed from their calls? Nah. "They must have done something wrong!" [Like preach according to their ordination vows.] "So we'll pass by on the other side... and hope it isn't us, next!" [Mueller, someone implied the other day that you were not LCMS. Right or wrong? If not, what? ULMA?]
Rick Strickert (Carlvehse) Senior Member Username: Carlvehse Post Number: 4663 Registered: 10-2003	Posted on Monday, April 21, 2014 - 12:48 pm:       Better yet, do you know of any LCMS organization that is helping men un-Scripturally removed from their calls? The organization specified by the LCMS bylaws to help rostered members who are unScripturally removed from their calls is identified as... the District President. Ask former called teacher Cheryl Perich how that worked out for her.
George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1422 Registered: 11-2012	Posted on Monday, April 21, 2014 - 1:07 pm:       Timothy, I don't know if any ELDoNA pastors have been unscripturally removed from their calls, but I do know it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Do you believe that ELDoNA should be marked and avoided by all faithful Lutherans and that the orthodox Lutherans associated with the Augustana Ministerium should either see to it that ELDoNA is excluded from the organization or they should leave it and form a different organization that will not work together with deniers of objective justification? Helen, I assume that you care about the gospel. Objective justification is the gospel. Do you then agree with me that all of us should mark and avoid the ELDoNA? The ELDoNA has been attacking the pure gospel for many months now. It is time for the faithful to mark and avoid these wolves.
Jojakim Dettmann (Random_layman) Senior Member Username: Random_layman Post Number: 3248 Registered: 5-2006	Posted on Monday, April 21, 2014 - 11:25 pm:       "Ask former called teacher Cheryl Perich how that worked out for her." I wonder how many people saw the headlines and thought... "What kind of cult would go to the Supreme Court to stick it to a disabled teacher". They could have settled it without any of that antithetical-to-the-Gospel publicity. We could insert a new verse in the Bible: Blessed are the litigious, for they will get what they want.
Rick Strickert (Carlvehse) Senior Member Username: Carlvehse Post Number: 4664 Registered: 10-2003	Posted on Monday, April 21, 2014 - 11:49 pm:       "What kind of cult would go to the Supreme Court to stick it to a disabled teacher". And other than the medication prescribed by her physician, who signed off the legal notice that she was fit to return to work, there was no evidence that Cheryl was "disabled" from teaching... except the gossip of the school board members, none of whom were qualified medical experts on the treatment her doctor was providing Perich.
Timothy Christian Schenks (Tschenks) Advanced Member Username: Tschenks Post Number: 925 Registered: 3-2006	Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 12:49 am:       George, I was a member of the Augustana Confraternity several years ago. I'm not sure if ELDoNA would fit Augustana's foundational statement any more.http://augustanaministerium.org/statement.pdf
Rick Strickert (Carlvehse) Senior Member Username: Carlvehse Post Number: 4665 Registered: 10-2003	Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 9:07 am:       Maybe the Augustana Ministerium, by keeping its ElDoNa members, is following the example noted in another LQ post: For example, Chemnitz politely overlooked that Jakob Andreae disagreed with the Preface to the Smalcald Articles and signed the Book of Concord along with him. So even the Book of Concord was in part an "agree to disagree".
Helen E. Jensen (Helen) Senior Member Username: Helen Post Number: 6824 Registered: 7-2004	Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 12:55 pm:       Rick, I read about the school teacher. She got to the Supreme Court. In Texas, Pastors can't do DRP because the DP won't allow it (and they won't sue because they are confessional Pastors.) Isn't that neat!?  Mueller, have you answered my question?
George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1424 Registered: 11-2012	Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2014 - 2:11 pm:       Jensen, your question is impertinent. My question, on the other hand, is important. Do you wish to express fellowship with deniers of objective justification? Had I wanted to advertise my synodical affiliation, I would have listed it under my profile. It is not there. Neither is my marital status, my income, my political affiliation, and other biographical data that do not pertain to what I post on this website.
Timothy Christian Schenks (Tschenks) Advanced Member Username: Tschenks Post Number: 926 Registered: 3-2006	Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 1:14 am:       The question is whether this is to be considered actual mission work (church fellowship) or is it cooperation in externals (labor unions, etc.)?
David Breitenfeld (Dbreitenfeld) Advanced Member Username: Dbreitenfeld Post Number: 919 Registered: 10-2004	Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 6:54 am:       Helen: "In Texas, Pastors can't do DRP because the DP won't allow it (and they won't sue because they are confessional Pastors.) Isn't that neat!?" Really, how can DP or districts have so much power over pastors? What is the procedure then for disputes? This looks like some type of 1st level gatekeeper idea.
George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1426 Registered: 11-2012	Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 8:30 am:       The Augustana Ministerium is not engaged in cooperation in externals. It is engaged in joint church work. The fact that so called confessional Lutherans in Missouri continue to remain affiliated with this organization, dominated as it is with deniers of objective justification, shows how much the internal politicking in the LCMS is just a matter of party spirit and isn't really about the truth at all. Consider Helen Jensen as an illustration of this. She reflects the biases of this so called confessional clique. Suspecting that I am not LCMS, she cannot trust me because I am not of the clique. I become the issue, while she sees nothing wrong with continued association with deniers of the pure gospel. Anyone who continues to work with members of ELDoNA shows his contempt for the pure gospel and reveals to one and all that all of the whining and complaining in the name of confessional Lutheranism is a great big show, signifying nothing but a party spirit. Since the men now in ELDoNA who are rejecting the pure gospel come from the same confessional clique as men presently in the LCMS, they can overlook such details as the divinely revealed truth.
Timothy Christian Schenks (Tschenks) Advanced Member Username: Tschenks Post Number: 927 Registered: 3-2006	Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 10:03 am:       The fact that so called confessional Lutherans in Missouri continue to remain affiliated with this organization, dominated as it is with deniers of objective justification, shows how much the internal politicking in the LCMS is just a matter of party spirit and isn't really about the truth at all.  Rather than this conspiracy theory, I think most LCMS pastors are completely unaware of what ELDoNA believes or even that it exists.
George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1429 Registered: 11-2012	Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 10:08 am:       Conspiracy theory? Nonsense! I'm talking about the herd mentality. These guys stick together like girls in a sorority. Don't tell me that the men associated with the Augustana Ministerium don't know that ELDoNA exists and don't know what the ELDoNA teaches. They know perfectly well. They just don't know what to do about it. And they won't know until the herd comes to some kind of consensus. You can be sure that they won't act in a principled manner because following the clique and acting according to principles are not the same thing.
George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1430 Registered: 11-2012	Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 - 10:13 am:       I agree with you that most LCMS pastors don't know anything about ELDoNA.