Tuesday, July 16, 2019

LutherQuest (sic) Is Pooled Ignorance - What a Fetid Pool




Rev. Kevin D. Vogts (Kevin_vogts)
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>>Lenski too believed in Objective Justification, but he used different terms

That was always my impression too, which would explain how this didn't drastically warp his overall teaching. However, I have had pastor friends argue quite vociferously that Lenski should be shunned, for his position on this as well as what seem to be chiliastic tendencies some places in his New Testament Commentary


GJ - Tis funny how these superficial Enthusiasts want to enroll their superiors in the Hall of Objective Justification Numbskulls.

Jay Webber, a typical Ft. Wayne graduate, gave Martin Luther a membership.

Lenski's family was part of the very large group that left Pope Walther behind, with CFW's Calvinistic Election without Faith backing up his Calvinistic Justification without Faith.

No, Lenski never taught OJ. He wrote, rather succinctly, "No one is forgiven without faith."

I think Lenski's language was rather loose in his effort to make the OJists see the light; hence his use of "objective reconciliation."

I use Lenski all the time, and our group has produced a complete set of free Lenski PDFs.

The free Lenski PDFs and other resources can be found here.



Putting Your Finger on Gut Feelings!



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Yes, Pastor Vogts, you are putting your finger on the gut feeling I have about the position of ELDoNA and GJ: they interject a gap between Christ's atonement and its appropriation by faith. Paul Rydecki's watershed paper that paved his way into ELDoNA, "Forensic Appeal to the Throne of Grace," gives one the impression that there is an unpredictable interval between my appeal to the throne of grace, and God's answer. One has the suspense of waiting to see if God will forgive me.
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Another Doofus post on LQ!

WELS Pastor Steve Spencer Still Shilling for Jack B. Simple Casione (no synod)

Jack Cascione and Assumption of Walther Gang continue to ignore these Scriptures and even the phrase Justification by Faith.




------ Original Message ------
From: "Rev. Fr. Steven D. Spencer" <frspence@gmail.com>
To: "Rev.'d Dr. Greg Jackson" <greg.jackson.edlp@gmail.com>
Sent: 7/16/2019 8:45:19 AM
Subject: FW: Book Review: "The Path to Understanding Justification" by Dr. GregoryJackson

Greg,

I understand you no longer care what I think. But I believe Jack treated you quite fairly in this review. He would like to print your reaction in CN.

Thanks!

Steve

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Hi Steve. Jack is welcome to copy and paste from my blog at any time. I already posted my reaction.

I think it is a pity you would associate with him. But lie down with dawgs, git up with fleas.

In Christ,

Greg

 Covers and illustrations by Norma A. Boeckler.

If Objective Justification Is the Gospel, Then Why Are These Things True?

 The Righteous Brothers, Robert and Jack, pictured here, took over the LCMS by swinging the Objective Justification axe.

Objective Justification - the unbelieving world absolved of all sin and declared righteous - is exalted by:

  • The LCMS dogmatics, the new LCMS catechism, Matt the Fatt, Paul the Plagiarist, Christian News, LutherQuest (sic), Pieper, Mueller, the Great Inerrant Walther, Martin Stephan STD, Halle's Rambach, and Wittenberg's Samuel Huber;
  • The WELS catechisms, from Kuske on, Mirthless Mark Schroeder, etc;
  • Pope John the Malefactor, all the way back to Koren, who had a crush on Walther.
  • ELCA, in those places where they actually concede that God exists.

 Who is better known and loved? Leyser or C. Peter Wager?

 Why do they not admit to Samuel Huber veneration? He was in the bag for OJ long before Stephan and Walther.


If Objective Justification is the Gospel - as claimed by so many - then why are these things true?


  1. The LCMS-WELS-ELS are collapsing in membership, church attendance, and seminary enrollment.
  2. The leaders (just like ELCA) are known for attending Fuller Seminary, Willow Creek, and Trinity Divinity School.
  3. The clergy and professors are so ignorant of Biblical doctrine that they screech like witches when they hear about Luther's Biblical doctrine while they parrot Calvin and Zwingli.
  4. The road to promotion is not through Biblical knowledge but through the Schools of Enthusiasm promoted by those apostate Lutheran leaders, ELCA included.
  5. Creation is denied by the faculty of Concordia Seminary, St. Louis; criticism of their Seminex stance is "slander!"
  6. The dying WELS seminary in Mequon continues its GA/HB secret hazing ritual.
  7. These sects are dependent on Thrivent for cash. They shamelessly promote a second-rate company that shares the doctrine of ELCA and the murder record of Planned Parenthood.
  8. The political and educational leaders are paid substantial sums of money to increase the speed of the decline.
  9. Now that no one is fooled by their supposed distance from each other, the LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic) are united by one thing Objective Justification - and proud of it.

 How does someone become president or a professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary? Answer - Attend Fuller Seminary and deny it.

Monday, July 15, 2019

Joe Krohn - Church and Change Veteran - Justification by Faith Is a Damnable Heresy





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Never mind about 2 Peter 2:1; where the Holy Spirit speaks of a redemption ("bought them" = ransom-AKJV) of even the apostates (unbelievers).

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."

 Rambach, the Halle Pietist, taught 1 Peter 3:16 as the Easter Absolution of the Entire World, as did Pietists Stephan and Walther.

How is Walther different from Rambach in absolving the entire world without faith?



According to LutherQuest (sic), Justification by Faith Is "Akin to Roman Catholic's gratia infusa"



Rev. Kevin D. Vogts (Kevin_vogts)
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It pains me that several college and seminary classmates and other friends and acquaintances who are part of ELDONA have adopted this view. I was willing to concede the specific term "Objective Justification" if it was simply a matter of terminology, but they quickly disabused me of that notion. They made it crystal clear that they reject the terminology because they now reject the underlying doctrine.

Functionally, it [Justification by Faith] seems to me akin to the Roman Catholic teaching of gratia infusa. By His death on the cross Jesus only established the conditions that make it possible for us to attain our own salvation.



Sail On! Sail On! O Mighty Ship of Fools - Eructations from the LQ Peanut Gallery.
SS Schmidt's 666th Post




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Jackson's error is supported in his mind by two things:

1. The terms are not used verbatim in scripture.
2. The ELCA and its predecessor bodies had no history of using them. Even Sasse, trained as a church historian and often a weak theologian outside of his field, objected to Missouri's doctrine. 


The OJ and SJ terms and concepts are never used at all the in Scriptures, Luther, Melanchthon, Chemnitz, the Book of Concord, Gerhard, or any decent theologian.

I enjoy being lectured by people who cannot get a job in higher education. The less they know, the more they swat - ineffectively - at sound doctrine.

The SS Schmidt is so hilariously wrong that Mrs. Ichabod asked me to answer him a bit. ELCA's components began in Pietism, as WELS and Missouri did. Tis natural for Pietism to degenerate into rationalism, because of its roots in Calvin's creative and erroneous dogmas.

I will step on tender toes again - with glee - to mention the first OJist came from Calvinism and taught at Wittenberg. He did until he began raving like the LQ denizens and found himself defeated in the discussions and tossed out like a broken beer stein. But they say, "According to Walther..."

ELCA has taken the next step beyond Universalism. I doubt whether theology has any meaning for them. They exist to be Left-wing activists, but that is what OJists are too. LQ is just preparing the way. Missouri and WELS will have fewer but better Lutherans, they think.

Reading comprehension is tested many times in school. The Miller Analogies Test is also used. The OJists cannot make a case for their precious dogma because they cannot understand the plain meaning of words and pratfall when they try to be clever, which is funny at first, sad later.

They Are Still Avoiding the Scriptural Passages, Proving My Contention: The Path Is Overgrown from Their Neglect and Choked with Their Weeds

No one has dealt with Abraham in Genesis 15:6 and his dominance in the New Testament, Galatians, and Romans 4.

These guardians of the sainthood of Walther, Pieper, and JP Meyer are frightened of the Word. They cropdust by zigzagging all over their shallow, repetitive, and illogical arguments.

So  let us look at the red cape they are waving - The Smalcald Articles. This is where reading comprehension is handy, even if the Biblical languages have been neglected. Some have had decades to make up the deficit but would rather root for their home teams.

 He has grown in office, the Pope of Plagiarism, the warrior armed with every weapon but the Word of God.


McCain's teachers at his Roman Catholic high school taught him thoroughly; he is easily triggered.


The Smalcald Articles

THE SECOND PART

Treats of the Articles which Refer to the Office and Work of Jesus Christ, or Our Redemption.

Part II, Article I: The first and chief article.

The Formula of Concord, Solid Declaration

III. The Righteousness of Faith

1] The third controversy which has arisen among some theologians of the Augsburg Confession is concerning the righteousness of Christ or of faith, which God imputes by grace, through faith, to poor sinners for righteousness.
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6] This article concerning justification by faith (as the Apology says) is the chief article in the entire Christian doctrine, without which no poor conscience can have any firm consolation, or can truly know the riches of the grace of Christ, as Dr. Luther also has written: If this only article remains pure on the battlefield, the Christian Church also remains pure, and in goodly harmony and without any sects; but if it does not remain pure, it is not possible that any error or fanatical spirit can be resisted. (Tom. 5, Jena, p. 159.) 

67] Concerning what is needful furthermore for the proper explanation of this profound and chief article of justification before God, upon which depends the salvation of our souls, we direct, and for the sake of brevity herewith refer, every one to Dr. Luther's beautiful and glorious exposition of the Epistle of St. Paul to the Galatians.  

This poor Schmidt fellow cannot see that the Smalcald Articles section he misquotes with glee is part of the discussion about Justification by Faith? Luther did a backflip and no one noticed until the precious and charismatic teaching of Stephan and Walther shined upon the Midwest?

And what about Luther's Galatians? I do not think any other book is commended by the Formula of Concord authors for additional study of that topic, the Chief Article, Justification by Faith. Did I miss the reference to the precious and holy works of Walther? Did my eyes miss the footnote?

OJists completely block out Luther so they can preach Walther back into heaven. No one has ascended so high so many times via hot air than CFW Himself. There must be a subscription even more demanding than a Quia for Walther. They have adopted intersectionality from the Left, because they are the Left wing of Midwestern Lutherans, pirates who have stolen the vessel from the greats of the past, from the Bible itself. 

Missouri, WELS, and the ELS began falling apart when they kicked aside Luther in favor of Objective Justification, Calvinism, and Church Growth.

Sasse was not a good theologian because he was critical of OJ? So what does that make Luther? We all saw that for the 500th. The disgust and revulsion felt for the Reformer was palpable, visible in the trinkets sold by CPH, where the great warrior for OJ idiocy is paid a fortune.

Many have seen the Walter Maier family and Pastor Vernon Harley treated as badly. Are the LCMS-WELS-ELS-CLC (sic) sects gaining in any way?


 Here is your new CG-OJ pope!

Alan Lubek - Your Nike Tennis Shoes Have Been Set Aside for You and Team Cascione

 The LutherQueasies have a big order reserved for them.

Alan Lubek, LutherQueasy:
It sounds as though Cascione has come to the same conclusion that Rev. Phil Hale came to in his book on justification: You can't have forgiveness unless it is already there to have. The world is already righteous in Christ...reconciled to God. [GJ - Yes, that is the definition of OJ, which is utterly opposed to the Gospel.]

How anyone could recommend one of G. Jackson's books..especially on the subject of justification is beyond me. I would think "Mark and Avoid" would be the proper response to his persistent promotion of heresies which claim Jesus really didn't finish what He claimed He did when He died for the world and rose again.

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GJ - The saddest aspect of these deluded souls is their complete misunderstanding of doctrinal debate. Their answer is to silence anyone who questions their raging love for Walther.

Their first dodge is overlooking that Holy Mother Missouri and the Wisconsin Sect taught Justification by Faith. I pointed that out - thanks to help from someone - let the reader understand. The Path To Understanding Justification proves that the LCMS and WELS both taught Biblical Justification by Faith and then turned from that to follow Walther's addled disciples.

David Becker admitted that fact, but the snowflakes cannot admit it. Instead, they cropdust with their old "he went to Notre Dame" malarkey. Most of the Concordia Ft. Wayne faculty went to ND, as I pointed out more than once. However, not one of their scholars has written a book against Roman dogma. Moreover, I argued with  the liberals, including faculty, in class. They were not classical Vatican I conservatives, but apostate liberal Zwinglians - just like the OJ Gadarenes on LQ.





For the Edification of LutherQueasies

Please observe my humble blog, with only 7 million views and 17,000 posts. They are not my invented statistics but Google's count. Please argue with them. 

I make a point of quoting both sides of an argument. Notice the Hale book review on quasi-Universalism, not only posted but featured as a sticky post.

I also quote verbatim the LQ fantasies, because who would believe such statements? They make my case for me.

The LQ use of Straw Man fallacies is simply obnoxious and accomplishes nothing. 

 "his persistent promotion of heresies which claim Jesus really didn't finish what He claimed He did when He died for the world and rose again."

That is OJ's ridiculous Straw Man argument against Justification by Faith, not anything I ever said or wrote. The fallacy is apparently universal. Someone I know said something about Justification by Faith and the brain-washed layman said sarcastically, "Oh, you think Jesus did not do enough. You have to do something to make it complete?"

Veneration of Walther

Face it, Walther was a multiple felon who would have been imprisoned in the current J. Epstein scandal. 

Walther and his clergy pals:
  1. Knew Stephan was an adulterer who had sex with young female followers, already in Dresden, where he was tried and put under house arrest.
  2. Knew Stephan had syphilis and gave it to his wife and children (except the oldest healthy one he brought along).
  3. Knew Stephan brought his mistress on his ship and left his dying wife and children at home.
  4. Signed the certificate making Stephan bishop-for-life. Walter signed it. Yes, he did.
  5. Had no problems with the single girls hanging around
    Stephan until it was time to organize the riot.
Moreover, Walter and his mob:
  • Kidnapped his niece and nephew to go to America.
  • Organized the riot against his bishop-for-life, leaving the pro-bishop people behind.
  • Threatened Stephan's life.
  • Stole Stephan's land, gold, books, and possessions.
  • Kidnapped Stephan, forcing him to go to Illinois with virtually nothing.
  • Endlessly slandered the man after covering for him.
  • Learned his convenient Easter absolution from Stephan, a fact he acknowledged. Yes, it was the same dogma as Halle's, where Stephan did some studying.


LutherQueasies Respond with Gratitude to Justification by Faith Exegesis



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What is most offensive to me is Jackson's slander of Holy Scripture whose teaching on the subject of justification is clearly reflected by Walther.

It sounds as though Cascione has come to the same conclusion that Rev. Phil Hale came to in his book on justification: You can't have forgiveness unless it is already there to have. The world is already righteous in Christ...reconciled to God.

How anyone could recommend one of G. Jackson's books..especially on the subject of justification is beyond me. I would think "Mark and Avoid" would be the proper response to his persistent promotion of heresies which claim Jesus really didn't finish what He claimed He did when He died for the world and rose again.

I'm very thankful the Wisconsin Synod took this approach with a pastor promoting this same error for the sake of the errorist and those who would fall prey to his false teaching.
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Rev. David R. Boisclair (Drboisclair)
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I am thankful that there are more of us out there that are standing up to this serious problem.


Kindle 99 cent version of The Path To Understanding Justification.

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Reader -

Just read your latest post with the quote from Rev. David Bolsclair.  In his passion he seems to have revealed more than he intended, specifically, that his main objection is less the doctrine than your iconoclasm.  For example, he writes:

"...to refute the entire body of doctrine of the LCMS and WELS...", and

"What is most offensive to me is Jackson's slander of C.F.W. Walther. On his website he pictures him with a miter on his head and labels him a pope. How despicable."

As a young teenage actor in a play with L. used to say offstage after an act, "Nailed it!"

You are toppling religious idols.  That is not permitted.