Tuesday, February 3, 2015

Bishop Heather Cook Accused of CUI - Consecration Under the Influence.
After DUI and Counseling. PB Did Nothing.
Cook Ran Down a Biker and Ran Away


PB Katie Schori, behind and to the left,
knew Heather Cook was Consecrating Under the Influence.
Schori did nothing.

After the Arrest, left; after Photoshop, right.

Bishop Sutton is on the extreme left, and
PB Schori is on the extreme right for once.
Both were negligent for ignoring Heather's boozy consecration.
The legal liability is almost infinite.

Bishop accused in cyclist’s death suspected of being drunk at installation festivities


 February 2 at 10:51 PM  


The bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Maryland suspected that Heather Cook — now charged in the drunken-driving death of a Baltimore bicyclist — was drunk during her installation festivities this past fall, a new official timeline shows.
Officials with the diocese, which elected Cook its first female bishop last spring, have said for weeks that they knew before her election of a drunken-driving incident in 2010. However, they have declined to answer questions about whether they had any reason to be concerned about her drinking after she was elected — until the fatal accident in December.
The timeline, which the Diocese of Maryland said Monday it had added to its Web site, says the head of the national Episcopal Church was made aware that Cook may have been drunk during her installation celebration. Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori was the leader of the Sept. 6 service that consecrated Cook, or made her a bishop.
Bishop Eugene Sutton — who oversees Episcopalians in much of Maryland aside from the D.C. suburbs — suspected Cook was “inebriated during pre-consecration dinner,” the timeline says, “and conveys concern to Presiding Bishop. Presiding Bishop indicates she will discuss with Cook. Cook consecrated.”
The timeline says Bishop Clay Matthews, who works in the Episcopal Church’s Office of Pastoral Development, met with Cook in October. “Details confidential to only the Presiding Bishop’s office,” it says.
Efforts late Monday to reach the offices of Jefferts Schori and Sutton, as well as Cook’s attorney, David Irwin, were unsuccessful.
The Episcopal Church began investigating Cook after she was charged last month with manslaughter, drunken-driving, texting while driving and leaving the scene of the crime in the death of Thomas Palermo, a father who was out for a Saturday bike ride when he was hit by Cook. It’s not clear whether Jefferts Schori’s office is investigating.
Officials in the diocese have asked Cook to step down from her position as No. 2 in the region.
Officials in the dioceses of Maryland and Easton have said little since Cook’s arrest about what they said and did after the incident in 2010 — when she was pulled over in the middle of the night, driving on three tires and too drunk to complete a sobriety test. Sutton’s office has said that the diocese of Easton recommended her “without hesi­ta­tion or reservation.”
According to the Baltimore Sun, which obtained a transcript of Cook’s 2010 hearing before a judge in that case, she was at the time undergoing three different forms of counseling for drinking and had “voluntarily had an ignition interlock device installed in her car,” the piece said.
“I am regarding this as a major wake-up call in my life, and I’m doing things now that I was not able to do without this motivation,” Cook told District Judge John E. Nunn III, the Sun reported Jan. 31.
Thomas Palermo's young children have no father,
his wife is a widow.
Drunk drivers leave a lot of victims.

Second Wave of Edible Pod Peas - Crash into Spring Gardening with These Cold-Loving Veggies

Super Sugar Snap Peas - eat them raw or cooked.

We ran out of peas to plant along the fence, so I ordered another big envelope. It is good to try different types and also to plant some early and some later. Trying types is only a problem with corn, since it is wind pollinated and that affects the seed.

Peas are the ultimate way to break into spring gardening. Carrots maybe, peas always. The idea of waiting until Ash Wednesday to plant peas is strange, because that date changes so much from year to year, depending on the date of Easter Sunday.  That date varies by one entire month, from the earliest date in early April to the latest date in early May.

Here is the guideline for peas - Can you get them into the ground? Good, then plant, the earlier, the better. They love cold. LeSeur peas come from Minnesota, not Florida.

I am going to do more wide row planting. We will open up the mulch, throw a lot of seed in wide rows, cover them with mushroom compost, and tamp it down lightly. Then water. The fence will support the vines, and vines grab each other to climb the fence.

Peas will add nitrogen to the soil, open up the root zone with their new roots, create complex cells from the soil, water, and solar energy, flower and fruit.

Birds Confirm Their Need for Bathing on a Wintry Day



Yesterday morning was about 15 degrees Fahrenheit, which is the coldest all winter. I added water to the bird baths, but that froze right away. I put out cracked corn and the feeding began.

Later I took out more water, since the sun was shining brightly and the temperature was going up.

Soon the birds were splashing in all four baths at once. That is always hilarious in winter, because the birds all want to enjoy cleaning themselves and having fun. They push and shove and get in line again, just like too many kids with too little room in the swimming pool.

I keep one feeder just outside the bedroom window, which worked so well in Bella Vista. We could see purple finches, chickadees, and starlings stopping for some sunflower seeds. When cold nights are still threatening, bird feeding and bathing are both active.

The full moon rises today and the rest of the week will be 50 to 60 degrees in the afternoon.

When the birds feed, they do not just look for the food I put in various places. They walk around the yard looking for more, which is the bonus given when birds eat and bathe in one location. They are slow to trust anything new, but once their habits are established, they return to look.

Birds have diversities of gifts, not unlike the gifts of the Spirit. Instead of one species dominating a yard and eating only its favorite food, birds will establish territory for their species only and get along with the rest. Male cardinals will eat together until it is time to mate and establish a nest. Then one pair will enjoy a territory and drive off other cardinals.

The effect is to have a nest of each species in the yard - a line up of various birds at the feeders and baths. Of course, we draw from all over because this is an official Jackson Bird Spa, with all the amenities, from mulch and trashy plants to gourmet food and multiple baths. When the hummingbird vines and flowers are established, we will see them share in the bounty. They will enjoy the spritzing water from the aerial aqueduct, since hummers like to move in and out of spray to get their baths.

Flocking birds are a little different. Common sparrows and starlings arrive in a flock, feed, and go somewhere for shelter. In New Ulm we had a flock of sparrows come out of the Boston ivy together and feed on the flat roof, where bird seed tended to get wet and rot. A cold winter decimated the flock and I missed their garbage pickup duties. They always kept the roof clean.

Starling Murmuration



Starlings have enormous flocks here, so one evening at a Reformation picnic, we watched a better show than fireworks - starling murmurations, gigantic patterns in the sky from thousands of starlings forming and changing geometric shapes in their coordinated flight.

Controlling 100 jets from an aircraft carrier is a big job. Who can coordinate thousands of birds at once? That is why I do not engage the evolutionists in long debates. No one can answer that one question, apart from the Creator.

I want the starlings to feed on suet and seed, because they return for bugs and weed seeds. They do not drive out other species. We see in our yard:

  • Blue jays
  • Mourning doves
  • Rock doves
  • Sparrows
  • Cardinals
  • Purple finches
  • Chickadees.

The robin, harbinger of spring, is already active n Springdale.
Art by Norma Boeckler.


Monday, February 2, 2015

More Icha-flogging on a Blog Where I Do Not Post Articles or Comments.
WELS Documented


WELS Documented

  1. "Our first run-in"? Way to go, Rev. Father Spencer. The ink is hardly dry on the obituary and you are already speaking ill of the dead. Shame on you.
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  2. Those who knew Pastor Soukup knew him as a man who loved the message of the gospel so much that he wished everyone knew it and who did everything in his power to get people to hear that message. That, I'm pretty sure, was the driving motivation behind what he said in his "run-in" with "Father" Spencer. As usual, we see "Father" Spencer putting the worst construction on something that someone said.


    1. "This is the ultimate in cowardliness, to make accusations about someone publicly after they have died." --anonymous

      Nice job.
  1. Some of us don't want to get our reputations assassinated in your old buddy's blog, Joe, over on Ichabod.
  2. I can't help but get a mental picture when I hear "Ichabod" come up.

    It's like a western movie (High Plains Drifter comes to mind). The town is gathered to discuss how to get rid of the gunslinger who has them all scared. Then you hear the jingle of spurs coming down the boardwalk and someone whispers with eyes wide - "Ichabod" as they all turn towards the door, lips a quiver, wiping sweat from their brow (sic).

    It makes a funny mental picture wouldn't you agree? Rhetorical question so no need to answer. Of course I am in the crowd, though for vanities (sic) sake I like to think I am whispering "Search Engines" as a general pejorative rather than just singling out "Ichabod".

    Eine arme Schaf
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GJ - What started this tirade was Pastor Steve Spencer's comment that he and the late Pastor Paul Soukup had a different opinion about the effects of teaching the truth. That became a chance for the junkyard dogs - anonymously - to start biting and devouring.

I was not even on the page and--snap, bite, drool, snarl--they started on me. Watch them whine about being quoted, as if reading and quoting a blog is opening someone's mail.

"You're not too happy with Ichabod, Anonymous.
Maybe you should saddle up, sit down with him,
and tell him your sins.
I mean - his sins."

Too Cold and Too Bold in Gardening?

Use the Force - of Creation, Luke.


One reader is intrigued with my early planting of peas and sunflowers. Today we woke up to 15 degree temps here in NW Arkansas. Many times in January I was outside in a short-sleeved shirt, and I was used to getting the newspaper for our neighbor without the benefit of shoes. Dressing up means - wear shoes, clean sweats.

That January planting took place when we pulled back mulch from last fall and planted peas, then sunflowers along the back fence. That is easy when the mulch is placed in the fall. The ground stays soft, especially if lawn and weeds have been rotted by the covering. I learned that when I built a pine branch shelter for animals before the Minnesota winter. I did not see any wildlife there, but the area under the branched composted and became very soft for turning over.

The peas will do fine at 15 degrees. They can be planted in the fall, though many resist that because the seed is vulnerable to fungi and animals the whole time.

Spinach is easily started in the fall and continued in very early spring, since it likes cold (like peas) and attracts bugs, which dislike the cold.

This should not shock people, but city folk are often unaware of how much winter wheat is grown. Winter wheat is also planted in the late autumn and very productive from its enjoyment of spring rains.

Vigorous plants may host insects, but they shake off the damage by growing so fast. Seedlings attacked by insects can be seriously weakened, but beneficial insects, birds, and soil health will mitigate that problem.

Forget grocery store carrots, which are pretty good.
Carrots right out of the ground are delicious, sweet, and nutritious,
from baby seedlings - so cute - to full grown and dug up from the snow.
They are two-year plants, so they are not old and useless for eating until the second year.
Then they flower like their cousins - Queen Ann's Lace.

Next on my list is a second planting of peas, because they will grow before anything can. After that, a row of carrots will be planted. Carrots can be planted weeks before the last frost. Carrots can be kept in the ground into the winter, to sweeten them. In Midland I was never tempted to dig for carrots in the snow, but people think that is a great little adventure. I did grow kale and that can be harvested green from under the snow.

Let's think about that. Kale is so tough, it is still green under the snow. The texture has to be close to rubber, maybe tougher - and that is correct. But it is nutritious, like everything in the cabbage or crucifer family (crucifer for the flower - aka cole and brassica plants). The family is cold tolerant, even cold loving. Brussels sprouts, loved by gourmands like me, hated by city slickers, get better with a frost.


The taxonomy of common cruciferous vegetables
common namegenusspecific epithetCultivar group
HorseradishArmoraciarusticana
Land cressBarbareaverna
Ethiopian mustardBrassicacarinata
KaleBrassicaoleraceaAcephala group
collard greensBrassicaoleraceaAcephala Group
Chinese broccoli (gai-lan)BrassicaoleraceaAlboglabra Group
CabbageBrassicaoleraceaCapitata Group
Savoy cabbageBrassicaoleraceaSavoy Cabbage Group
Brussels sproutsBrassicaoleraceaGemmifera Group
KohlrabiBrassicaoleraceaGongylodes Group
BroccoliBrassicaoleraceaItalica Group
BroccoflowerBrassicaoleraceaItalica Group × Botrytis Group
Broccoli romanescoBrassicaoleraceaBotrytis Group / Italica Group
CauliflowerBrassicaoleraceaBotrytis Group
wild broccoliBrassicaoleraceaOleracea Group
bok choyBrassicarapachinensis
KomatsunaBrassicarapapervidis or komatsuna
MizunaBrassicarapanipposinica
Rapini (broccoli rabe)Brassicarapaparachinensis
Flowering cabbageBrassicarapaparachinensis
Chinese cabbagenapa cabbageBrassicarapapekinensis
Turnip root; greensBrassicaraparapifera
Rutabaga (swede)Brassicanapusnapobrassica
Siberian kaleBrassicanapuspabularia
Canola/rapeseedBrassicarapa/napusoleifera
Wrapped heart mustard cabbageBrassicajuncearugosa
Mustard seeds, brown; greensBrassicajuncea




Another reader is all set to plant, but her garden is under a foot of snow. We had two inches of snow predicted - accumulation! Oh no! I saw some flakes falling this morning, but not enough to make the car windshield white. Frost on the windshield has been a no-show all winter, with a few exceptions.

I am looking for bulbs to poke through the soil now, but the cold nights of February may slow that down quite a bit. We are usually a month ahead of the flowers in Midland, Michigan, where we once had six inches of snow fall in May.


I believe n God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth.

Sunday, February 1, 2015

Your Superbowl Halftime Entertainment - Blessed by the WELS Stuporstars:
Tim Glende and Ski

Tim Glende and Ski posed with Katy Perry,
the no talent Superbowl entertainment for 2015.
I hope she didn't sing one of her porn songs -
that would embarrass WELS, maybe.

I used to wonder why Glende and Ski were so enchanted with Katy Perry. Let's skip the first two reasons.

The third reason - she lip-syncs her songs and they lip-sync their copycat sermons.

Oh oh. She did go porno for the Superbowl:

"I thought it would be appropriate to draw blood tonight," tweeted the singer, who also sang excerpts from I Kissed a Girl and Teenage Dream during her set.

Classic Father Hollywood - Women Consecrating the Elements in WELS

Or both - Sam Birn's graphic on his Facebook page.


Girls Gone Wild, WELS Edition

In spite of the Wisconsin Synod's reputation for "conservative" rigor, WELS has a rather "liberal" view when it comes to women officiating at the Eucharist.

According to this Q&A from the WELS's own website, there have been at least two instances where laywomen in the WELS have said the Lord' Words of Institution over bread and wine and served it, claiming that it was the body and blood of the Lord. The practice was in no way condemned by the WELS hierarchy, but rather, the practice is current under a "moratorium" in order to "keep from offending our brothers."

This error has come about by the intersection of an error on the doctrine of the ministry combined with a legalistic view of the role of women.

First, WELS does not believe the pastoral office has been divinely established, and further teaches that "The Bible establishes all of public gospel ministry but does not establish a pastoral office as such or vest certain duties exclusive to that office" (Emphasis added).

From this starting point, WELS adds the next premise that the differences between male and female are limited to a legalistic "thou shalt not," as the article puts it:
"Since the Bible does not assign specific duties to the pastor, WELS approaches the matter of women communing women from Scripture's man and women role relationship principle. WELS doctrinal statements on the role of man and woman say that a woman may have any part in public ministry that does not assume teaching authority over a man. That, of course, would include women communing women" (emphasis added).
And this has moved beyond the theoretical into the practical:
"WELS has had only two instances of women communing women, and our Conference of Presidents has since issued an indefinite moratorium on such practice to keep from offending our brothers until the matter is mutually resolved" (emphasis added).
The "it's only happened twice" defense reminds me of the Monty Python sketch claiming that the British Navy now has cannibalism "relatively under control."

In other words, the theology of male and female boils down to an oversimplified and law-based overarching principle that women are free to do anything and everything in the Lord's economy so long as she does not exercise authority over a man in doing so - when in fact, the role of women is much richer than the "anything other than..." approach of the WELS. Accepting these two premises and following them to their logical end yields the result of women saying the Words of Institution over bread and wine, and distributing the elements to each other as if they were the true body and blood.

This is roughly the equivalent of my asserting that since I'm an American citizen, I can sign my name on a bill and make it a law, or that I can authorize people to go up into the Statue of Liberty's crown, or may indeed put stars on my lapels and order military personnel about. I can do no such thing. It is a matter of authority. Pastors are ambassadors of Christ, and speak by His authority, standing in His stead and by His command. The American ambassador to Canada speaks with the authority of the government of the United States. Of course, I am free to visit the Parliament in Ottawa, but unlike the word of the ambassador, my word bears no authority. Any statements I make have no force behind them, as I have not been placed into any such office by those who have such authority to delegate.

This is quite different than the Roman Catholic assertion that at a man's ordination, a metaphysical change in his person has happened. But this is also quite different than the Protestant assertion that ordination is nothing more than a quaint ceremony. Sometimes the president of the United States is called "the most powerful man in the world." Not so. I'd be willing to wager than any middle linebacker in the NFL could take out President Obama in any kind of a strength competition or fight. What the president has is not personal "power," but rather delegated personal "authority" that he exercises "by virtue of his office." Not even someone more "powerful" than the president can make laws and issue commands to the military. If someone were to attempt to do so lacking authority, it would be a mutiny and a rebellion.

The examples in Scripture of those who assumed and usurped authority not given by the Lord do not end well. Korah's rebellioncomes to mind.

And lest we become too smug in the LCMS, I think we should be on guard. We do have deaconesses who are described as "ministers," some even serving in institutional chaplaincies, providing spiritual care to both men and women. I have even seen this work described as being "pastoral" - though there is great care not to turn this adjective into a noun. At some point, the earlier understanding that deaconesses would only teach women and children has been superseded in the LCMS, as deaconesses are now permitted to teach men as well as women and children. What authority they have and do not have seems to be on a sliding scale of gray, and varies with whomever is asked.

But the problem goes well beyond the malleable role of the deaconess. I recently heard firsthand of a "laying on of hands" in the LCMS that involved not only clergy, but the congregational elders (after all, see 1 Tim 4:4...) and the female congregational president as well. I know that sometimes clergy wives are even involved in these ceremonials.

We also have an oxymoronic "office" in the LCMS called "lay minister." Male "lay ministers" have been given "license" for "Word and Sacrament ministry" by district presidents. Female "lay ministers" take the same classes and hold the same synodical designation, yet (to my knowledge) there have not been instances of female "lay ministers" either preaching or presiding over an alleged Sacrament of the Altar. But I do think this toe-to-the-line of the Wisconsonian view of the office of the ministry and the roles of the sexes leaves the possibility open.

One of the most foolish things anyone can ever say is: "It can't happen here."

We in the LCMS have a similar rather limited theology of the sexes as the WELS. We tend to focus on the narrow and myopic legalistic issue of "what women are allowed, and are not allowed, to do" (functionalism) rather than the deeper and eternal issue of what men and women were created to do (ontology). Function ought to flow from ontology rather than trying to reverse-engineer the situation in the opposite direction.

I suspect there are some in our midst who indeed would make the argument that women have the divine authority to bless bread and wine (even as they have the power to physically say the words), that they can indeed also have the churchly permission ("call") to do so as long as no men take the "sacrament" from her hand, and so long as she does not lay claim to the title of "pastor." And there are some that will, no doubt, make a couple arguments in favor of women consecrating based on:

1) The charge of "Donatism." This is the ancient heresy that the validity of the sacrament is based on the moral standing of the officiant. However, sex has nothing to do with moral fitness. It is rather an ontological distinction. For example, men are not denied the privilege of carrying a child in the womb based on a moral reason, it's rather a question of reality and vocation. Just as a good and righteous American citizen can write his name at the end of a bill passed by Congress, the fact is that his righteous signature is not effective whereas that of even a wicked president is - by virtue of authority. A person's sex has nothing at all to do with Donatism.

In fact, the Donatism charge can even go the other way. For example, a very pious and morally upright lay woman can say all the right words over bread and wine without having any authority from God, neither from Scripture nor from the Church, and yet a wicked ordained male pastor with a valid call can do the same thing - and there is no doubt whatsoever of the validity of the sacraments he officiates over.

This is because the issue is authority, not moral fitness.

In fact, there was an interesting conversation between some LCMS seminary professors over this very issue. You can read the initial article about the "validity of churchly acts of ordained [sic] women" here and the rebuttal against the charge of "Neo-Donatism" here.

2) Emergency baptism. The argument goes that if women can "confect the sacrament," so to speak, regarding an emergency baptism, then it follows that she can similarly officiate over celebrations of the Holy Eucharist. But this is a leap of logic that presumes that all sacraments are equal and that we are not bound to any authority in these matters apart from our own modern whims. The crux of the matter is that emergency baptism is just that - a life and death situation. The Church has long established this form of Holy Baptism, and has never denied the fairer sex the extraordinary authority to administer the Holy Sacrament in matters of extremity. However, the same cannot be said for other sacramental and churchly acts. For there are no emergency marriages or confirmations or communions. Our confessions cite the scenario attributed to St. Augustine in which one dying man baptizes the other, and the newly-baptized administers the Sacrament of Holy Absolution to his fellow. There is no mention of any other sacrament or church rite. Most certainly there is no precedent for emergency lay Communion.

Just as female ordination inevitably leads to the blessing of same-sex marriages, I also believe that a functional view of the ministry inexorably leads to women functioning (if not outright claiming to be) pastors. Until we in the LCMS come to grips with the idea of ontology (both of ministers and of the sexes), we will continue to follow in the train of our conservative brethren, even though the tracks have taken a radical turn to the left.

HT: Dr. William J. Tighe

13 comments:

  1. What would you say is the connection between "Authority" and Ontology? When I think of these issues, I tend to think of authority first (rather than ontology), but I would wager that there is a fine and strong connection. How might you describe it though?
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  3. Interesting that when I was in WELS, it maintained the view of the OHM just as you describe, and saw LCMS as waffling on the authority thing by allowing women voters in congregations, which as far as I know are still not allowed in WELS.

    As I read and learned more, it was the view of the OHM that was one of three factors that led me to change synods, because, as you point out, without the OHM the rest of it surely follows at some point.

    (The other two factors, for anyone curious, were local matters and it seeming that almost every blogger I found who understood Lutheranism as I do was LCMS, including our host, though we may part ways re secular music and church polity.)
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  4. Dear Eric:

    I think authority flows from ontology.

    For example, the husband has authority in the family because of who he is ontologically - a man. The Lord orders authority in the family not in a functional way (the head of the household being determined by who happens to be functioning as the head on a particular day), but in an ontological way (by virtue of the husband's maleness).
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  5. Dear PE:

    I think the female suffrage was a case of the church imitating the world. I think it is an example of viewing the Kingdom of God in terms of "rights" instead of seeking ways to serve. This same impetus is what led to women's "ordination" among our former brethren. Sometimes I think the modern Church is embarrassed by looking different than the world.
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  7. Scripture, in helping us to understand the church, likens the church, which is of divine origin, to the body, which is also of divine origin, and not to any social or political organisation, all of which are of human origin.

    The church always gets into serious trouble when it ignores this and begins to understand itself in terms of the man made rather than the divine.

    It did so when it began to resemble the world in terms of its empires and kingdoms, and does so now as it begins to understand itself in terms of democracy and free or open society.

    The RCC considers that Baptism, Confirmation and Holy Orders confer an indelible character -- technically a redundancy, since the Greek root of the word character means to engrave -- which is not erased however much a person falls from it morally.

    Which turns the focus to who can impart that character. The RCC considers that anyone may baptise, whereas only those who are valid bishops (the highest of three degrees of Holy Orders) may confirm or ordain.

    That is why when I became Lutheran I was not baptised, my RCC baptism being held valid, whereas if one of you blackbirds became RC, your Lutheran baptism would be valid but you would be confirmed, and if seeking blackbirditude even without the celibacy thing you would be ordained, neither sacrament having been administered before.

    Ontology gone wild. Which is the point of bringing it up here. The specific formulation of these doctrines in the RCC is from Trent, which is post-Reformation, but are considered to be simply later formal declarations of long held truths, whereas the Reformation challenges what in fact are the long held truths and what later formulations serving the RCC.

    Which is why as an RC I saw the OHM as what happens when you try to have priests without being priests, in the context of trying to be Catholic without being Catholic, but as having come to believe the BOC is a true and correct statement of the revealed truth of God in Scripture and joined WELS, I saw the OHM as something for which one changes synods.

    We certainly have enough feet grumbling that they are not heads, and legs trying to act like arms, etc, these days.
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  8. Dear PE:

    Just to clarify, Tritarian Christian clergy that were ordained in another communion are not "re-ordained" upon becoming Lutheran and being placed into ministerial service there.

    We treat such ordinations in the same way that we do baptisms - as a once-in-a-lifetime event.
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  9. You might appreciate this:

    My congregation adopted women voters in 2001, just before I got here in 2004 (in fact, the final constitutional paperwork went through just after I got here). When my dad dropped off my stuff, he was asked by a member, "What do you think of women voters?"

    My dad's reply - "I don't like any voters." >=o)
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  10. Yes, I understand. Beyond baptism, the reciprocity is not mutual, except Matrimony where the ministers of the sacrament are the couple.

    That's what makes it such a hoot for me, having lived on both sides of the street and two different versions of the Lutheran side of the street.
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  11. Show me in the Bible where it says that it must be a pastor that offers the sacrament.
    Show me in the Bible where women are commanded not to minister to each other in any way.

    Thank you.
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  12. Dear TShinnick:

    Matt 28:20 Jesus excludes all but the future pastors (exclusively men) from the initial Eucharist.

    Luke 22:19 Jesus tells only the future pastors (exclusively men) "do this," and excludes both male and female laymen from this command, vocation, and authority.

    John 20:22 Our Blessed Lord (the most sensitive Man in history who fears neither civil authority nor falling out of favor in terms of social mores) ordains His exclusively male disciples, deliberately excludes Mary Magdalene, the other female eyewitnesses of the resurrection, and even His own mother from the presbyterate.

    1 Tim 3:1-7 St. Paul (as all the scriptures do) uses exclusively the masculine gender to describe the episcopal/presbyterial office, says they must have "wives" (not spouses).

    All over the NT, the words "pastor," "elder," and "overseer" appear in their exclusively masculine gender.

    In the entire history of the Lord's people, He made no provision for female priests or overseers. The OT Israelites were looked at askance by their contemporaries, as they worshiped a male God and had only male priests who stood in His stead.

    The NT Church of Peter and Paul's day were equally weird for, unlike the pagans in the Greco-Roman world, they ordained exclusively men. That's because they knew both the Word and the word up close and personal.

    The reason for this "weirdness" is because the Church, the people of God, are "holy" - they are not like the world. The world has a different view of the roles of men and women, but we, the peculiar holy ("separate") people, believe Holy Scripture, and did so exclusively until many years after the "enlightenment" - when people just decided to rewrite the Scriptures and do what they want.

    To those who want women to be ordained and want laymen of both sexes to preach and administer sacraments, I would ask: "Show me in the Bible where laymen are given the authority to consecrate the Sacrament of the Altar," and "Show me in the Bible where women are ever, under any circumstances, consecrating the Sacrament of the Altar."

    Thanks for writing!
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  13. I am presently a member of WELS and am interested in studying more of the differences between the LCMS and WELS on the doctrine of ministry. Would you be able to recommend any good books or articles dealing with this?

    Women should definitely NOT be administering the Eucharist under any circumstance!