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ICHABOD, THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED - explores the Age of Apostasy, predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, to attack Objective Faithless Justification, Church Growth Clowns, and their ringmasters. The antidote to these poisons is trusting the efficacious Word in the Means of Grace. John 16:8. Isaiah 55:8ff. Romans 10. Most readers are WELS, LCMS, ELS, or ELCA. This blog also covers the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Left-wing, National Council of Churches denominations.
Thursday, March 27, 2014
SpenerQuest Continues To Boil Over with Narcissism, Biblical Ignorance, and Self-Inflicted Wounds
Rev. David R. Boisclair (Drboisclair) Advanced Member Username: Drboisclair Post Number: 512 Registered: 1-2002 |
Brett, the Kokomo families did more than merely affirm justification by faith alone. They also denied the biblical doctrine of Objective Justification. Read the report. If they had merely declined to subscribe the theses that would not have been sufficient to excommunicate them. Let's tell the whole story. [GJ - Poor Boisclair. I met the Kokomo families and discussed the case with them. WELS continues to lie about them. They were kicked out for rejecting the Four Kokomo Statements, three of them almost verbatim from JP Meyer. Do some homework and get the facts straight.] | ||
     Franz Linden (Franz_mann) Senior Member Username: Franz_mann Post Number: 1903 Registered: 12-2004 |
George Mueller writes: Jackson, who will traverse land and sea to make a single convert and when he is made will make him twice as much a son of hell as he is... I have often wondered whether or not Calvin could have truly been a Christian. He argued so vehemently against the Gospel that it is hard to understand how he could have believed it. Jackson and his disciples remind me of him. Franz [GJ - LQ is the skunkpatch where justification by faith, the Chief Article of Christianity, is rejected and attacked.] | ||
| Brett Meyer (Brett_meyer) Member Username: Brett_meyer Post Number: 180 Registered: 1-2008 |
Rev. Boisclair, the reason the Lutheran Seminaries teach that God was reconciling Himself to the world is because of the false gospel of Objective Justification. When you/OJ teaches that Christ was guilty of the world's sins, that God absolved Christ of guilt, that God justified Christ - it is God reconciling Himself. It sets up the UOJ tenet that because Christ was standing in the world's place therefore Christ's absolution and Christ's justification then becomes the justification of the world. Of course this is all false teaching because Scripture clearly states that Christ is only apprehended as Mediator and Propitiation through faith alone worked through the Means of Grace alone. And that God does not accept the world for Christ's sake except through the gracious gift of faith. So, your confession is consistent with the false teaching that the Seminaries are foistering upon the Lutheran clergy and the laity in the pews. I confess 2 Corinthians 5 in that God was reconciling the world to Himself through the Ministry of Reconciliation. World to God not God to the World as you have been teaching. Also, you made a big deal over the word was but the big deal should be made of the word reconciling which denotes not a completed reconciliation but a process which is further emphasized by God's declaration, "be ye reconciled." | ||
| George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1339 Registered: 11-2012 |
"I confess 2 Corinthians 5 in that God was reconciling the world to Himself through the Ministry of Reconciliation." ATTENTION GREGORY JACKSON! Is this the kind of garbage exegesis you are teaching your disciples??? Replacing the vicarious satisfaction of Jesus with the ministry of the Word??? How about you, Rydecki, Stefanski, Heiser? I know you're out there! Set this guy straight. Or is this the kind of nonsense you are peddling? I don't normally get angry reading junk on websites, but this really ticks me off! I know for a fact that Brett Meyer NEVER could have gotten this from 2 Corinthians 5:19 by himself. A natural reading of the text is that God was in Christ, that is in his vicarious obedience and suffering, reconciling the world unto himself and that he has committed to us the word of reconciliation. To say that God was reconciling the world through the ministry of reconciliation is simply absurd. The words don't say that and no layman would think that they do! Only a layman bamboozled by a slick-talking gospel-denying preacher would come to such a conclusion! [GJ - To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.] | ||
| Joe Krohn (Jester) Intermediate Member Username: Jekster Post Number: 230 Registered: 4-2011 |
You have not answered my question, Brett Meyer. What did you mean by: "The Holy Spirit graciously works faith in those God has called." | ||
| Franz Linden (Franz_mann) Senior Member Username: Franz_mann Post Number: 1904 Registered: 12-2004 |
Brett Meyer writes: Also, you made a big deal over the word was but the big deal should be made of the word reconciling which denotes not a completed reconciliation but a process which is further emphasized by God's declaration, "be ye reconciled." This, too, reads like something that Mr. Meyer was told, not something that he figured out himself. Here's a little clue for you, Mr. Meyer, one that your master hasn't filled you in on: in the Greek, the "was" is the main verb of the sentence and the "reconciling" is the participle. In Greek grammar, the timing of the participle is governed by the timing of the main verb. It even works in the English. For example, "I AM weeding the garden" means that the weeding is happening in the present because "am" is present. If, however, I say "I WAS weeding the garden," that means that the weeding happened in past time, because "was" is in the past time. This nonsense about the emphasis being on the "reconciling" and not on the "was" is absurd. Does the "was" not mean anything? Did God just throw some words in the sentence just to make it a complete sentence but really all he was concerned about was the word "reconciling." It's plain hogwash that your teachers are feeding you. It's reminiscent of the way Jehovah's Witnesses argue. And you are following in the footsteps of those JW's who are sent out by their leaders. The leaders know they are making up the nonsense that they feed their followers. Still, they make it up and send their deceived disciples out to tell people the very nonsense that they make up. Those disciples speak in a way as though they know what they are talking about, but it is obvious they haven't a clue. That's you, Mr. Meyer. You haven't a clue. You are only repeating the nonsense that your leader has fed you. Your leader, meanwhile, sits in the background watching you get destroyed. Why? Because he's smart enough to know that it's an argument that he can't win. He doesn't have Scripture on his side. He doesn't have the Confessions on his side. He doesn't even have grammar on his side. So, instead, he makes up explanations and grammatical sounding rules and then sends you here with this nonsense about the emphasis being on the "reconciling" and not on the "was." Franz [GJ - Franz, baby, you are so angry and rude, like George Mueller. Do any of you use your real names? I would hide too if I had the manners of a pimp and the dogma of a mini-pope. Brett can read plain English, unlike your addled gang. He was not converted by me. The Holy Spirit convicts him through the Word, while it hardens and blinds the short-fused and willfully ignorant SpenerQuesters. I have repeatedly posted the fact that Brett contacted me because we already agreed. At the time he could not find a Lutheran pastor who taught justification by faith. Pretty sad! I am impressed by his scholarship and his patience with the thugs on LQ sic.] | ||
| Rev. David R. Boisclair (Drboisclair) Advanced Member Username: Drboisclair Post Number: 513 Registered: 1-2002 |
George Mueller, I second your post, THANK YOU! Well, Brett has coined a new word, "foistering." He, of course, means "foisting," but beware when you post on Ichabod: if your grammar and composition are not impeccable, you will be lampooned by the Dr. Gregory Jackson. That is, if you are opposed to him. His disciple Brett Meyer may break every grammatical and spelling rule in the book without a peep from his master. I think that Gregory Jackson, Ph.D. should teach him better theology, or at least better grammar! Now, what have we in the lastest post from a Jacksonite: It sets up the UOJ tenet that because Christ was standing in the world's place therefore Christ's absolution and Christ's justification then becomes the justification of the world. Of course this is all false teaching because Scripture clearly states that Christ is only apprehended as Mediator and Propitiation through faith alone worked through the Means of Grace alone. And that God does not accept the world for Christ's sake except through the gracious gift of faith. My question is how is Christ being apprehended as Mediator and Propitiation opposed to Christ reconciling the world to God by what HE, CHRIST has done? The implication of this amazing statement is that Christ does nothing to reconcile the world to God but man reconciles himself through his faith. It doesn't matter whether that faith is arrived at monergistically or synergistically: IT IS FAITH RATHER THAN CHRIST! Now we have heard everything. [GJ - David, you need a hobby - or perhaps a job where you won't bum everyone out all the time. You could get a job as a pooper-scooper on Mackinac Island, or be a night watchman at a mausoleum.] | ||
| Rev. David R. Boisclair (Drboisclair) Advanced Member Username: Drboisclair Post Number: 514 Registered: 1-2002 |
Gentlemen, this is what the infernally esteemed teacher has to say about his catechumen: Brett Meyer has shown everyone the meaning of scholarship. He has relentlessly pursued what others have claimed for UOJ and compared that to the Scriptures and the Book of Concord. He is polite and reserved while the UOJ Storm-Brownies boil over with incoherent rage. He is also in contact with like-minded Lutherans and asks for opinions and facts. You can see it in context here. Interesting, isn't it? [GJ - I agree. You still cannot get your facts straight. Why should anyone trust you with the Gospel? You are faithless in the little things, so you are faithless in the big things, like the mysteries of God.] | ||
| Brett Meyer (Brett_meyer) Member Username: Brett_meyer Post Number: 181 Registered: 1-2008 |
Joe Krohn, the Gospel promises (the Ministry of Reconciliation) goes out to all people. In such a way God calls the whole world to repent and believe in Christ alone. There is another calling that is tied to predestination, God’s Election to Grace. Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Also, 2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, This calling is tied to God’s Election/Predestination“which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,” Here too, <b>Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Ephesians 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. It is God who choses who has faith in Christ alone. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: This does not negate that God would have the whole world come unto the knowledge of the truth, faith in Christ alone, and He sends the Gospel to everyone for that purpose. 1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Joe, were all men elected to salvation – yet some reject that election? In Christ, Brett Meyer PS, Rev. Boisclair, please stop foistering your teaching that God was reconciling <i>Himself</> to the world. | ||
| Rev. David R. Boisclair (Drboisclair) Advanced Member Username: Drboisclair Post Number: 516 Registered: 1-2002 |
Brett, it is "foisting," not "foistering." Doesn't your spell check give you a red squiggly line under such a word as "foistering"? I will continue to teach the truth in spite of you and your infernal master. [GJ - David, one little homonymic goof does not mean anything. I have more typos in a day than you have in a year. The trouble is, you can pound your concave chest like a gorilla, but you have no grasp of the Gospel. You know not that you know not, to quote Socrates. I can see from above you are are all seething with jealousy because I observed correctly that Brett understands the Gospel and you MDivs do not.] |
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