ICHABOD, THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED - explores the Age of Apostasy, predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, to attack Objective Faithless Justification, Church Growth Clowns, and their ringmasters. The antidote to these poisons is trusting the efficacious Word in the Means of Grace. John 16:8. Isaiah 55:8ff. Romans 10. Most readers are WELS, LCMS, ELS, or ELCA. This blog also covers the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Left-wing, National Council of Churches denominations.
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Monday, November 5, 2012
Remember the GM Volt!
rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Southern Baptist Loyalties and WELS Follies":
After working most of my adult life for General Motors, the similarities between it and the Olde Synodical Conference are scary. I often wondered how long GM could carry so much dead weight from the middle to the top of its management. I lived long enough to get an answer. I was also puzzled as to why anyone would want to move from the shop floor into supervision. At the bottom of management, independent thinking was always squelched. The Olde Synodical Conference was once the largest Lutheran body in this country. GM was once the largest auto maker. Both have collapsed from their own weight.
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GJ - We have a cousin who retired very young from GM in Canada. It was said that the LCA was formed in the 1960s with GM as its model. Every few years a lot more committees, commissions, and staffers were eliminated. That goes on with the ELCA, which merged having a women's commission and national women's group, both committed to the same feminist ideals.
The structure was great for achieving radical goals, leveraged by quotas.
Abraham, the Patriarch, the Father of Faith - Creates the Ultimate Problem for UOJ
arkos has left a new comment on your post "A.D. Asks - Can We Only Believe in What Is Already...":
"I cannot believe in something unless it has already happened."
So they must believe in the preexistence of souls?
4 Then the word of the Lord came to him: “This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir.” 5 He took him outside and said, “Look up at the heavens and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
6 Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness.
Isaac and the multitude of Abraham's descendents must have already been in existence, otherwise there is no way Abraham could have believed the promise.
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GJ - But also, Christ have already died for the sins of the world, or the Promise would not have been valid.
However, the UOJ numbskulls are not bothered by the content of the actual text. They voted for UOJ in 1932 in the Brief Statement, where Romans 4:25 was cited as proof of the imaginary Easter absolution (taught by Pietists Rambach, not by the orthodox Chemnitz). All of Romans 4 is dedicated to the theme of justification by faith, climaxing with the great summary statement of Romans 5:1-2, which allows no room for UOJ.
Only one pastor has been suspended during the reign of Pope Mark Schroeder. And the reason for the suspension? - teaching justification by faith.
- Worshiping with Babtist gay activist Andy Stanley? No problem.
- Copying the sermons of Methodist Craig Groeschel? No problem.
- Storing man/boy rape files at the WELS headquarters? No problem.
- A woman administering the Means of Grace? No problem.
- Working with ELCA, who pays for abortion? No problem.
- Promoting Thrivent, the all-religion insurance racket? No problem.
- Opposing Luther's doctrine of justification? No problem.
- Rejecting the Confessions? No problem.
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Southern Baptist Loyalties and WELS Follies
St. John in Milwaukee was kicked out, because of a DP's spite. |
A Southern Baptist missionary was defending his denomination when I broached the subject of apostasy. I knew about their battle for the Bible, years ago, but I was not in position to talk about their
leadership.
Most of us know they had a convention resolution to reject the New NIV, which included NOT displaying it in their bookstores. Often new paraphrase is sold as a curiosity before everyone finds it tiresome and silly. That was the first time I heard of an effort getting the leprosy label from the start.
It's over. |
No wonder WELS loves it. Three out of three hand-picked study groups gave their slobbering approval. SP Mark Schroeder is helpless to do anything about it. Spinmeisters grieve over his heavy burden of office.
That may be the crucial difference - and the reason why the hierarchies will fail completely in the next generation.
The Boomers were channeled into ultra-organized structures. In Moline we had clubs with four officers, church groups with four officers, state and national groups with four officers. The yearbook shows our 1966 class activities at a very large high school - 3,000 Boomers. A glance showed who the most active were, who got scholarships for that, and who would turn hippy soon after.
No one could question the purchase or the money spent there. Now it is a prison. I don't write satire - I just record it. |
Herman Otten had to apologize on the front page of his independent tabloid, because WELS was offended about my honest discussion of their homosexual problems. Soon after, Joel Hochmuth was arrested and The Love Shack was investigated by the FBI for those problems. Grotesque evil has a way of revealing itself, even when the hierarchy is hell-bent on covering it up.
I have been watching a very large business for three years, attending all but one of their monthly meetings. One thing they emphasize is managers listening to workers and to shoppers. The bigshots visit stores all over the world. They also feel compelled to listen to customers and to their subordinates.
That listening has been key to their turn-around. They are definitely a hierarchy too, but a hierarchy that is held accountable for return on investment. Church hierarchies do not listen to anyone - they command. They demand apologies and retractions. They only want agreement or hat-in-hand trembling subordination of the brain cells.
A church hierarchy looks for subordinates who gladly obey whatever the boss commands. WELS tries out people by putting them on various boards and executive committees. If the initiates agree to having their spines removed, they continue to serve and eventually become senior bosses. Any display of independent thinking is met with, "You are not a team player" and "Who told you?" It is far more pleasant to whack moles than to be mole whacked.
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rlschultz said...
After working most of my adult life for General Motors, the similarities between it and the Olde Synodical Conference are scary. I often wondered how long GM could carry so much dead weight from the middle to the top of its management. I lived long enough to get an answer. I was also puzzled as to why anyone would want to move from the shop floor into supervision. At the bottom of management, independent thinking was always squelched. The Olde Syndocial Conference was once the largest Lutheran body in this country. GM was once the largest auto maker. Both have collapsed from their own weight.
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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Southern Baptist Loyalties and WELS Follies":
Ichabod -
You perfectly described synodical church hierarchy. You stated:
>>>>>> ...... Church hierarchies do not listen to anyone - they command. They demand apologies and retractions. They only want agreement or hat-in-hand trembling subordination of the brain cells.
A church hierarchy looks for subordinates who gladly obey whatever the boss commands. WELS tries out people by putting them on various boards and executive committees. If the initiates agree to having their spines removed, they continue to serve and eventually become senior bosses. Any display of independent thinking is met with, "You are not a team player" and "Who told you?" It is far more pleasant to whack moles than to be mole whacked....... <<<<<<<<<< [Your words]
Such is the sorry case of those who think they are at "the top." They have since abandoned the principle of Christ that whoever would be first, must be servant of all. Dictatorial cruelty toward parish pastors and their perspective congregations is nothing more than wanton carnal behavior. As sanctimonious as it is always made to be; it is nothing more than busybody bully behavior; thus, under the Lord's curses.
Various denominational and synodical head cheese church people are a stench in the Lord's nostrils. They think they are doing God a service; when, in reality they hinder the Holy Spirit's purposes. They will be judge with severity; so much so, that if some of them should attain to glory; they will squeak in by the skin of their teeth. Shame on these of whom the Scripture speaks:
Psalm 14:4 - "Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD."
Jeremiah 23:1 - "Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD."
Jeremiah 23:2 - Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD."
Nathan M. Bickel
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WELS Mission Board News - The Kind That Never Reaches the Propaganda Outlets
bruce-church (https://bruce-church.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "Report to WELS - Two Headquarters. Two Felony Arre...":
Sources tell me that an announcement was made in the WELS Synodical Council meeting on Saturday, Nov 3rd, that the synod received a letter of intent from someone to buy the N. Mayfair Rd. synodical office complex for $1.8 million. They were very excited, but noted that it wasn't a contract yet.
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A real estate firm could not wait to sell their white elephant to WELS. |
GJ - Excited means they can move into their Pewaukee high-rise, since the financial whiz-kids of the Schroeder administration managed to become owners of two synodical headquarters buildings at once - in a down commercial real estate market.
WELS is a buyer of last resort. If no one wants a commercial property, WELS will buy it at a premium price. |
In other WELS news -
The Church Extension Fund gives out its own grants, designation by the Home Missions and District boards (which are totally controlled by Jeske's Church and Changers).
Moncks Corner in North Carolina got a $1 million grant because Boeing is moving a plant there.
Trapp's Madison student chapel spends $4,000 a year, giving away free coffee to attract students to the study lounge on the main floor. The chapel is above the lounge, so students are not scared away by religious trappings. Trapp has always been a Willow Creek loyalist and once had his congregation a member of the Willow Creek Association (as Parlow did).
In fact, the mission board sent pastors to Willow Creek and paid their way, so being a WC member was more of an asset in getting free loot from WELS for building and remodeling.
The CORE got its grant money from WELS because Church and Change controls the synod leaders. Golly - they ARE the synod leadership. The CORE will probably back very little of all the money received from WELS. My source did not say so, but I suspect the CORE donor laundered a gift through the Church Extension Fund to make it look more legitimate. If infallible WELS makes a decision, that decision cannot be questioned.
As one pea-brained WELS pastor told a family, "You have questioned the proposed hymnal. You have broken fellowship with WELS. You are no longer a member." That family was happy to leave and the pastor is still in WELS. He fits right in!
Free coffee, a crooning sax, WELS propaganda, CCM, Elton Stroy's expertise - How could the Latte Church flop? "When all else fails, try religion." |
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