Wednesday, August 1, 2012

New WELS Group on Facebook - 122 Members



https://www.facebook.com/groups/WELS.GLBTQA/


  • Open Group

  • This is a Facebook group for the gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, transgender, questioning, and allies members and former members of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod.

And still going strong - Bring Back Party in the MLC


Personal Informationwe love the MLC version of Party in the USA and we were most devistated (sic) when they removed it from youtube. but thanks to a fan we now have our very own copy that we can watch any time :)

Wayne Mueller Imagines the Confessions Welcome New Dogmas.
UOJ Is the New Chief Article



quercuscontramalum (http://quercuscontramalum.myopenid.com/) has left a new comment on your post "If You Agree with the Augsburg Confession, Post a ...":

Is this like those emails we used to get way back right after Obama invented the internet infrastructure (and which we still get from AARPers)?

"Forward this email to 10 people and Bill Gates will donate $10 million to puppy cancer research. If you don't forward, then Jesus will cry when we drown these kittens [pic attached]."

Nyuk nyuk.

A pastor explained cheerily, "We don't rely on the Confessions, because we use Scripture instead." If that's not Quatenus, what is? WLS extrudes grads who believe (sic) the Confessions are useful when we need them, that is 'in so far as' they explain Scripture how we want it explained.

What?

Why Not Start an Anonymouse Blog Instead?


Anonymous said on Tim Glende's blog...

The termination of fellowship can be very much a private affair. It is among those parties who are involved. I would ask you what Scripture do you stand on that says everyone and their brother has an immediate right to know everything about everyone as it relates to the church. Even Jesus command to bring sin before the church is stretched if you think it means the Holy Christian Church and not a specific group of people.
If you wish to start your own synod where you and Greg can publish details about every single thing that happens whenever someone wants to know, please do so. Until that happens maybe you should wait for the DP report which is published for everyone and which will give the reason. If you wish to be rude and demanding that is fine but it will just make you look bad. Wait for the report. "Everything in a fitting and orderly way."

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GJ - Sigh. Another hypocritical post on Glende's anonymouse blog. The announcement was public and is still published on the Internet.

Timothy K. Poetter - suspended from the ministerium, published in DP Buchholz' report, published here:


The congregation responded by sending around its own letter and the threatening letter from the WELS attorneys.





And the obvious - I had nothing more to say on the topic, but Glende began harping on it, since he has nothing else to say.

So - Buchholz and district praesdium - thank Tim Glende and his bar-buying friends for the publicity.

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Pastor emeritus Nathan Bickel has left a new comment on your post "Why Not Start an Anonymouse Blog Instead?":

Ichabod -

Is this posting about the joint congregation whose pastor was suspended by WELS and whose chairman of the congregation stated in a well written letter, that the congregation's decision was to keep him as their pastor even if it meant having to leave WELS? 


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GJ - Yes. The congregation supports the pastor, who was suspended, so WELS wants to grab the property.

If You Agree with the Augsburg Confession, Post a Comment

Stained glass window honoring the Augsburg Confession.

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Pietism against the Means of Grace.
The Bi-Sectsual Lutherans Are Pietists and Unionists

Stephan means crown in Greek.
The Greeks/Romans used the laurel wreath as a crown.
Notice the Bohemian Brethren hat at the top.


Menno Simons invented the modern practice of shunning, although it is as old as ostracism in ancient Greece.

Simons, the founder of the Mennonites, had people disciplined by shunning, which meant people would not talk or do business with that person.

The National Geographic TV series on the Hutterites is a good example of how shunning works. Everyone must conform or be shunned.

Pietism is the dominant thought and practice of the Lutheran sects in America, from ELCA (Muhlenberg, Halle graduate) to the Halle-trained founder of the LCMS, Bishop Stephan, STD. Hoenecke also graduated from Halle, but he studied the Confessions later and also became an expert on the orthodox Lutheran writers.

Zinzendorf and John Wesley, Craig Groeschel's inspiration.


Halle-trained Zinzendorf visited America under a false name, which prompted the sending of Muhlenberg.

Zinzendorf had direct ties with Stephan. He donated the land for Stephan's church, and that church was given special permission for its conventicles or cell groups because of that history. Stephan himself came from the Bohemian brethren, who were protected and helped by Zinzendorf.

Stephan identified with them, wearing the hat which was associated with the Bohemian Brethren.

My biggest laugh in reading the Walther hagiographies came from Walther admitting that Stephan was a bit of a Pietist. The clergy under Stephan first gathered under Candidate Kuehn, a severe Pietist. They also had a Bible study cell group  under a Halle leader. Finally, the entire group switched loyalties to Stephan when Kuehn died.



At the time, university students were either rationalists or Pietists (sometimes called mystics). Most Pietists could not get a church position there, so they served as tutors or other teaching positions.

The Pietistic Lutheran associations worked with the Calvinists and sponsored a considerable amount of world missions. Each group that came to America struggled with the issues of Pietism and gradually discovered the Lutheran Confessions and Luther.

Now all of the Lutheran groups work together, having reverted to an extremely vulgar and materialistic Pietism, welcoming every false teacher, shunning the Book of Concord and Luther.

Stephan's church reminds me of The Great Walther's shrine.



From the Same People Who Bought a Bankrupt Bar in a Deserted Part of Appleton

Your guide to the truth in Fox Valley, WELS.

From  the Fake Blog:
In any case, the book as been completely picked apart on the basis of historical errors and poor scholarly methods by a number of professional Church-historians. Cameron McKenzie's review is worth reading in this regard. The author is not a trained historian, but rather a psychologist. It's odd in light of the fact that Greg is supposedly a trained Church-historian that he wouldn't pick up on this. Though his "scholarship" generally amounts to little more than accumulating quotations. The quotations are never interpreted, but merely labeled as "bad" or "good." Considering how he's willing to endorse such a transparently poor piece of scholarship as the Stephan book, it shows that what I've thought him for a while is true: basically Greg is a nihilist. He doesn't believe in reality or in truth, at this point he just wants to destroy all those stupid Synodical theologians, officials, and pastors who never recognized him and kicked him out of multiple times basically being a crazy heretical jerk. Either that or he's just a dope who doesn't get how bad the Stephan book is. It's probably a little of both.

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GJ - The same cowering blogger argued that I cannot possibly get anything right because I earned two degrees "from the famous Roman Catholic Jesuit (sic) school, Notre Dame."

I had some fun with their profound knowledge of higher education -

http://ichabodthegloryhasdeparted.blogspot.com/2012/07/more-hilarity-from-team-glende-he.html

Let us pause to consider their repudiation of any Lutheran with a doctorate from Notre Dame, disregarding the natural of graduate work. Their expert on on CFW Walther is Cameron MacKenzie, a faculty member I met at Ft. Wayne. Here is his bio:



Dr. MacKenzie is chairman of the Department of Historical Theology. Before joining the faculty in 1983, he served St. Matthew Lutheran Church in Detroit, Michigan, as pastor (1975–1983) and as headmaster of its school (1972–1983). Dr. MacKenzie received his B.A. from the University of Detroit, a M.A. in History from the University of Chicago, a M.A. in Classics from Wayne State University, a S.T.M. in New Testament from Concordia Theological Seminary, Fort Wayne, and a Ph.D. in History from the University of Notre Dame.

[end, Concordia Ft. Wayne quotation]

Using the logic of the Fox Valley Enthusiasts, all of MacKenzie's arguments must be discarded, because he graduated from the famous Jesuit (sic) university, Notre Dame. I doubt whether Cameron wants those "Lutherans" in his fan club.

Book reviews are part of the scholarly enterprise. They sell books, simply by making a volume noticed in the public eye. But they also contribute by correcting, supporting, debating, and supplementing what an author has claimed in print.

Unlike Paul McCain and Tim Glende, I do not think MacKenzie's review exculpates Walther from his crimes. Nor does the review convict P. Stephan of poor scholarship. He wrote as a family member, with credentials as a psychologist. Since his family organized the Stephanite enterprise, their records just might have some relevance in LCMS history.

Missouri Synod history is not richer for erasing the truth about Loehe or Stephan. As many readers know, Loehe contributed a considerable degree of positive influence on that sect. Ludwig Fuerbringer was quite laudatory about  the Loehe-sent men, even though his father was a Stephanite. Frankenmuth and Concordia Seminary, Ft. Wayne - both came from the Loehe men.



PS - It takes five seconds on Google to learn that Notre Dame was founded by the Holy Cross fathers - CSC.