ICHABOD, THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED - explores the Age of Apostasy, predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, to attack Objective Faithless Justification, Church Growth Clowns, and their ringmasters. The antidote to these poisons is trusting the efficacious Word in the Means of Grace. John 16:8. Isaiah 55:8ff. Romans 10. Most readers are WELS, LCMS, ELS, or ELCA. This blog also covers the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Left-wing, National Council of Churches denominations.
Tuesday, November 4, 2008
And God Said - "I Think It Would Be Really Cool"
The Joe Biden of the Wisconsin Sect, about Rock and Roll worship:
Skorzewski said. "It's like God just said, 'I think it would be really cool if you went this way.' "
Other Change and Changers in the same story:
I.
"You have to get the difference between the way the evangelicals and Lutherans look at theology," said James Tiefel, dean of chapel and a professor of worship and homiletics at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary. "The evangelicals will say that a human being has to make a decision to become a Christian. And so the way you get him to make that decision becomes very important. You have to find a way to raise his emotions or convince his intellect. Lutherans will say the Holy Spirit works through the word (Scripture) to create a Christian."
There has been some experimentation with full-blown praise bands in WELS churches for at least 10 years, but it is not widespread, Tiefel said. [Young Tiefel worked for VP Patterson, at WELS expense.]
II.
One of the noteworthy WELS examples nationally is St. Mark Lutheran Church in De Pere. About 80% of the music that its praise band plays comes from top-selling contemporary Christian music. The church, which has a $150,000 audio-visual system with two big video screens, has nearly 2,000 members and needs to expand beyond the new facility it built a few years ago, said Phil Boileau, its minister of music and family.
A growing number of WELS churches nationally are making at least some use of contemporary music and instruments beyond the organ, according to Tiefel and the Rev. Bryan Gerlach, administrator for the WELS Commission on Worship. At least 150 have gotten instruction at Gerlach's School of Worship Enrichment.
III.
Wayne Mueller, first vice president of synod mission and ministry for WELS, estimates that 25% of the denomination's 1,263 congregations offer some type of regular alternative worship.
IV.
From 15 people at the first Sunday night services, attendance now averages about 150, with many more for special services, said the Rev. Jim Skorzewski, who conducts the alternative services and assists Senior Pastor Mark Jeske in shepherding the diverse, growing congregation. Many are 18 to 35. Sunday's service drew about 300 worshippers.
St. Marcus has grown from about 500 members four years ago to about 800, Davidson said. The home of Jeske's "Time of Grace" television and radio ministry, the church has a 280-pupil school with a waiting list, a gospel choir, bible study groups for men and women, a bible-based Wandani Youth Outreach program and other groups for various age ranges.
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Skorzewski, Rev James R St Peter - Appleton WI 08/11/2008
To start daughter congregation, Solid Rock Ministries
Bored* Member, Church and Change
From His Blog
What is Drive ’08? That’s a great question. Drive is a two day conference for church leaders. During these two days church leaders from the three North Point campuses will share what they have learned over the last twelve years about creating and maintaining awesome ministry environments. The entire conference has been designed around questions from churches all over the world.
Over the two days Andy Stanley (Lead Pastor at North Point) will address the attendees in three main sessions. There will be five break-out sessions that will revolve around questions asked by the attendees. These sessions allow those in attendance to get pretty specific on certain areas of ministry as well as get great feedback.
I invite you to check out my blog while I’m gone. I’ll try to update the blog daily and share what I’ve learned. Please feel free to share your comments.
I’ll see you all when I get back!
Blessings,
ski
WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:
WHO WENT THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW?
Pastor Ski - St. Marcus - Milwaukee
Pastor John Parlow - St. Mark - Depere
Pastor Jim Buske - Lighthouse Youth Center - Milwaukee. Another stealth operation. Find the word Lutheran, I dare ya'. Funded by Kingdom Workers, which has a Church and Change mole on its board.
HOW LONG WERE WE THERE?
May 3rd - May 7th
WHERE WAS THE CONFERENCE?
North Point Church, Alpharetta, GA [Psst - It's really Babtist.]
FAVORITE PART OF THE CONFERENCE:
Final Main Session with Andy Stanley [Psst - He's really Babtist.]
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*Bored with Lutheran worship, bored with Lutheran doctrine, he drops everything to go spend days with a Babtist minister. The Bored Members of Church and Change must have made a deal. Ski's bunch (Buske, Parlow) went to hear Babtist Andy Stanley. Patterson's group (Doebler, Stelljes, etc) sat at the feet of Babtist Ed Stetzer.
Stetzer has the biggest unionistic congregation of all. He only preaches to preachers of all denominations. And they are dumb enough to pay him for the honor of being his diciples (as he spells the word).
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