Wednesday, November 30, 2011

VirtueOnline - News - Exclusives - The Fictional Future of Frank Griswold's Denominational World

Frank Griswold was the previous presiding bishop of The Episcopal Church.
Katharine Jefferts Schori is building (destroying) upon his sorry legacy.



VirtueOnline - News - Exclusives - The Fictional Future of Frank Griswold's Denominational World:


"Whatever and wherever Griswold was grounded (and he seemed to enjoy Sufi the Rumi over St. Paul), he definitely felt more at home among gay and lesbian Episcopalians. He was SUPPOSED to have been grounded in Scripture and to declare the "mighty works of God" and "sound doctrine". He did neither."

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ELCA, Episcopal presiding bishops remember lives lost to HIV, AIDS - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

ELCA Bishop Mark Hanson,
Episcopal Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori

I tell you, 'tis incredible to believe
How much she loves me: O, the kindest Kate!
She hung about my neck; and kiss on kiss
She vied so fast, protesting oath on oath,
That in a twink she won me to her love.
Shakespeare, The Taming of the Shrew. Act 2, Scene 1.



ELCA, Episcopal presiding bishops remember lives lost to HIV, AIDS - News Releases - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:

CHICAGO (ELCA) - Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) and Episcopal Primate Katharine Jefferts Schori said World AIDS Day on Dec. 1 is "an opportunity for us to remember the 30 million lives that have been lost to the deadly pandemic."

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"Kindness in women, not their beauteous looks,
Shall win my love."
Shakespeare, The Taming of the Shrew, Act IV, Scene 2.

Midweek Advent Service, November 30, 2011

Norma Boeckler,
The Flight into Egypt



Advent, November 30, 2011

Pastor Gregory L. Jackson


Mid-Week Advent, Thursday, 7 PM Central

The Hymn # 61             Comfort, Comfort                  221
The Order of Vespers                                             p. 41
The Psalmody            Psalm 100                             p. 144
The First Lection                      
The Second Lection           
 The Sermon Hymn # 76            A Great and Mighty             2.2

Miraculous Christmas Events

The Prayers and Lord’s Prayer                         p. 44
The Collect for Peace                                           p. 45
The Benediction                                                   p. 45
The Hymn # 558     All Praise to Thee               2.9

KJV Isaiah 7:10 Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, 11 Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. 12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. 13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

KJV Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

KJV Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Miraculous Christmas Events


The events of Christmas are simply full of miracles, but the greatest miracle of all is God becoming man.

This is expressed in many ways. The virgin birth of Christ represents both aspects of this great mystery. By mystery Christians mean a teaching revealed by the Holy Spirit in the Word. A mystery cannot be explained by human reason or reasoned by logic. That is why people who begin with human logic end up missing the divine teaching of the Word. One can get as much from an engineering book, which is certainly valid but empty of life-changing truths.

The virgin birth of Christ expresses the Two Natures in a clear and vivid way.

KJV Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

One is often emphasized today, because it has been under attack – the divinity of Christ as expressed in conception by the Holy Spirit. Ancient art had God’s angel whispering in Mary’s ear. I said on Facebook this was good, because God’s Word comes to us from hearing. When God said it, His Word accomplished it.

Just as important is the birth of Christ – His human nature. Although His birth was remarkable and attended with many stupendous wonders, the greatest wonder was the God-man Jesus lying in swaddling clothes.

Much is said about His poor circumstances, and they are true on a human level. We would not want them. Yet God was not absent. God’s power was manifested in the miracle itself and visible in the presence of the angels.

We should remember the same, because Christ is always with us, no matter how poor the circumstances might be at the moment. Another way to see the manger is realize, “This is how God works – not with human power, but with divine mercy, doing far more than we can ever imagine.”

The first Isaiah virgin birth passage is an example, which we find throughout the Bible. Ahaz is too proud to ask for a miracle, so one is offered him anyway, the greatest of all.
The effect of the Gospel is not lacking because someone is blinded and hardened by it. He has another chance as it is spoken to him.

And yet people have railed against this ever since the Age of Rationalism. They do not like it, which means they question the power of God’s Word. If that is true, why do they bother themselves with it? The Promises leave them restless and they have to re-interpret them into an alien philosophy that fits their noble image of themselves. They will fix the world with that philosophy, they imagine.

Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

This three-fold Gospel promise is remarkable. Centuries before the event, the miracle is described. Mary, before she lived with her husband, conceived by the Holy Spirit and gave birth to a Son. His name – Immanuel – God with us.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The titles of Jesus in the second passage point only to Him. Only the Savior can be the mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, and yet have a government traced to the throne of David.

This is the only kingdom that will be endless – the Kingdom of God, ruled by the Prince of Peace.





Intrepid Lutherans: The LORD (no longer) Our Righteousness in NIV 2011



Intrepid Lutherans: The LORD (no longer) Our Righteousness in NIV 2011:

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GilroyDispatch.com | Religion Today: Church changes affiliation



GilroyDispatch.com | Religion Today: Church changes affiliation:

"For many years our congregation has been operating, in theology and practice, in a much more open and inclusive manner than allowed by the Missouri Synod," he said. "Holy Communion open to all, ecumenical cooperation and worship, greater inclusion of women and non-discrimination toward gay and lesbian Christians are some of the practical ways this has become manifest."

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Stan Olson's Hometown Congregation Left ELCA.
His Job Disappeared after the 2009 Convention.
He Now Heads the Bankrupt Wartburg Seminary


His job at ELCA headquarters disappeared.
His daughter is living with her female partner, as reported in the YDS alumni magazine.
He is from Eagle Grove, Iowa.
A prophet is not without honor, except in his own farm town.

ALPB link for Bruce Foster:

Two more Iowa congregations joining the NALC:

Emmanuel Lutheran, Grafton:  2nd vote passed Sun Nov 27 94-15.  Then voted to join the NALC 104-6.

Samuel Lutheran, Eagle Grove:  They left the ELCA 2 years ago and were independent.

As soon as they are officially received by the NALC Executive Council, the Iowa Mission District will be up to 28 congregations.  And there are more on the way.

Ken

They will also bring the total of NALC congregations to 299.

Marshall Hahn




Them Eagle Grove farmers must know more about nature than ELCA.

Dark night of the stole | StarTribune.com

Dark night of the stole | StarTribune.com:

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GJ - This story was linked on SpenerQuest and followed by this remark from David Jay Webber, who had no problem with having Floyd Luther Stolzenburg as one of his sponsors of Thoughts of Faith in the Ukraine, with a matching grant from the adulterous Marvin Schwan:


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Various forms of sexual misbehavior among ELCA clergy will become an ever increasing problem, I fear, now that the misbehavior of homosexual conduct is officially permitted. If this is now allowed, then why not other previously forbidden behaviors? Remember, too, that the new "inclusiveness" is more broadly aimed at the "GLBT" community, not just homosexuals and lesbians more classically defined. The last two letters of that acronym stand for bisexual and transgendered. If a bisexual lifestyle is no longer considered to be naughty, then why is offering money to a woman for sex still considered to be naughty? At least in that scenario it would just be one man and one woman having a trist.

ELCA has opened a Pandora's box. Who knows what will eventually crawl out of it? And I can tell you what they can also expect more of in the future: lawsuits!



Various forms of sexual misbehavior among ELCA clergy will become an ever increasing problem, I fear, now that the misbehavior of homosexual conduct is officially permitted. If this is now allowed, then why not other previously forbidden behaviors? Remember, too, that the new "inclusiveness" is more broadly aimed at the "GLBT" community, not just homosexuals and lesbians more classically defined. The last two letters of that acronym stand for bisexual and transgendered. If a bisexual lifestyle is no longer considered to be naughty, then why is offering money to a woman for sex still considered to be naughty? At least in that scenario it would just be one man and one woman having a trist. 


ELCA has opened a Pandora's box. Who knows what will eventually crawl out of it? And I can tell you what they can also expect more of in the future: lawsuits!


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Misbehavior…naughty

Could the voice for UOJ in the ELS choose any less condemning language to describe the sodomy in the synods which the (W)ELS and LCMS financially support?

Considering Pastor David Jay Webber has publicly confessed that all those actively practicing the sodomy of men, women and children are the recipients of Christ's righteousness and are by God's divine verdict forgiven and justified, the words may even be too harsh.

Jay Webber could start the tongue-clucking about
his work with Floyd Luther Stolzenburg.
 

Preus Family Tree




Herman Amberg Preus came to America in 1851 from Norway.

Herman begat Christian and other sons and daughters.

Christian begat Jacob and other sons and daughters.

Jacob begat Jacob (Jack) and Robert.

Robert begat Daniel, Klemet, Katy, Rolf, Peter, Solveig, Christian, Karen, Ruth, and Erik.

Rolf begat Daniel, David, Paul, John, Mark, Stephen, Christian, Andrew, James, Mary, Samuel, and Peter.

The children of Rolf who have posted on Luther Quest are: David, John, Mark, Stephen, Christian, Andrew, and James. I think.

More later.

The Age of Hypocrisy in Lutherdom
And Other Dark Places

"We do what we say, Brett.
Give us that much...
And stop taking notes."


The Age of Apostasy, predicted in the pastoral epistles, could also be named the Age of Hypocrisy.

KJV 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away [apostasy] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I was reading about a large ELCA congregation voting to leave, so I asked Mrs. Ichabod about it. Her instant recall and photographic memory relayed some details immediately, since she grew up in Indiana. The congregation has 1300 baptized members, so I looked up the website. In the news section I found that 22 youth were coughing up $1,000 each to attend a youth rally in New Orleans. I thought, "No, it cannot be. They are leaving ELCA and sending 22 youth to the ELCA youth rally, where they promote homosexuality as a gift from God?

Every Lutheran synod leader is a sock puppet.
Don't get too close.


As far as I can tell, since the parish article is not specific, that gathering is the ELCA youth rally. I can find no other youth rally in New Orleans on that date.

Why would a congregation leave ELCA over its gaity while organizing and funding an ELCA youth extravaganza?

Let's say that $22,000 youth trip is a terrible mistake, made by the parish or by me.

At the same time, the alternative denomination, LCMC, is crying  "FOUL!" over being kicked out of the ELCA Board of Pensions benefit plans - which cover abortion for any reason. I imagine ELCA also included domestic partners health coverage as well, after the 2009 convention.

The two alternative denominations leaving ELCA--the LCMC and NALC--are stuck like dog-fur on Velcro to ELCA.

Besides that, all the Lutheran sects are owned and managed by Thrivent as marketing centers. Thrivent is the pimp and they are the crack whores, weeping about their poor lot in life while counting on Big Daddy in Appleton to fund their addictions.

SP Harrison admitted to $50-60 million a year from Thrivent funds. ELCA must get far more than that.  WELS, the ELS, the LCMC, and the NALC all get their portions from the bowl of lentil soup. All the groups work together at various levels and attend the same religious functions.

The non-ELCA groups would have more credibility if they actually distanced themselves from the obvious apostates. Not doing so makes the rest hypocritical apostates - hardly a title fitting "confessional" Lutherans.

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 LCMC, is crying  "FOUL!" over being kicked out of the ELCA Board of Pensions 

It's the NALC not LCMC that is being dropped because they are breaking a part of the agreement with BOP to only use their health plan. If NALC can use two plans then they could send all their high risk pastors to BOP and cherry pick others at a lower cost.

If my sarcasm is juvenile, what adjective do you use for this statement?

Thrivent is the pimp and they are the crack whores.

Bruce Foster

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GJ - I didn't go to the first gay Lutheran seminary - Seminex - your bailiwick, Bruce. I try to use language that Seminexers can grasp.

Lighthouse shines for inner-city youth | Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS).
Excommunication Clarified

Is that James Buske with Babtist Andy Stanley - Drive 08?
Lutherans can learn so much from men who deny
infant faith, infant baptism, and the Means of Grace.




Lighthouse shines for inner-city youth | Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS):

"It has been five years since Rev. James Buske opened the doors to the Lighthouse Youth Center, in Milwaukee, Wis. Now, the youth center ministry is expanding with a second location."

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GJ - James Buske is one of many WELS workers who attended the Drive Babtist Andy Stanley worship conference, including Cardinal Tim Glende, Archbishop Ski, and Bishop Katie.

Buske is presenting at the upcoming Men of His Word (aka Church and Change conference).

This clarifies the WELS position on excommunication. If a layman dares to ask a pastor questions about doctrine and practice, he is excommunicated and cut off from all parish activities. Forced to leave the synod, even though he was encouraged to follow Matthew 18, he is then condemned all over the cult for leaving the synod.

However, if a pastor worships with various heretical sects--as Buske, Patterson, Ski, and Glende have done--he is given grants, synodical honors, and leadership positions for being an outstanding WELS pastor.

Yes, I think that was James Buske at Drive 08.
Ski was on the board of Church and Change, so he would know Buske quite well.