Famous Lutherans List from 2008. Fowl Play Expected

Steve Jobs, Apple Computer, was confirmed in the LCMS.
He died October 5, 2011.
Famous Lutherans List

Famous Living Lutherans
Here is a list of “Famous Living Lutherans” compiled from various sources. Those listed are ELCA members, unless noted otherwise. This list is accurate to the best of our knowledge. Please send your additions and/or corrections to michelle.daniels@elca.org Updated March 2008.

Politics
U.S. Representatives: Michele Bachmann (WELS), Lois Capps, John R. Carter, Norman Dicks, Stephanie Herseth, Darlene Hooley, Ron Kind (WELS), Tom Latham, Zoe Lofgren, Collin Peterson, Thomas Petri, Dave Reichert (LCMS), John Shimkus (LCMS), Bill Shuster, Tim Walz.
U.S. Senators:
Sherrod Brown, Byron Dorgan, Ernest F. "Fritz" Hollings, Tim Johnson and Nikki G. Setzler
Nane Annan, wife of former UN Secretary General Koffe Annan
Douglas K. Bereuter – former US House, now head of the Asia Foundation
Bob Bergland, former US Secretary of Agriculture
John Bolton, US Ambassador to the United Nations
William Dannemeyer, former US House of Representatives (LCMS)
Tim Goeglein, special assistant to President Bush and Deputy Director of
Public Liaison (LCMS)
Steve Gunderson, former US House of Representatives, now known as an author
Gaylord T. Gunhus. former chief of chaplains for the U.S. Army
John Hamre, former deputy director, US Department of Defense
Donald Hodel, former US Secretary of Energy and Interior
John E. Jones III, judge, US District Court, Pennsylvania (ELCA)
Judge Dan Joy, New York State
Thomas S. Kleppe, former US Interior Secretary
Conrad Lautenbacher, Jr., Under Secretary of Commerce for Oceans and Atmosphere
Cynthia Lummis, Treasurer, Wyoming (LCMS)
John Marty, Minnesota State Senator
Ed Meese, former US Attorney General
Mark Neumann, former US House of Representative (WELS)
Tim Penny, former US House of Representatives
Dale Sandstrom, Justice, North Dakota Supreme Court

Sports
Shane Battier, Memphis Grizzlies NBA
Kim Bauer, Womens PGA Golfer (WELS)
Tom Brady, New England Patriots quarterback
Matt Bullard, Houston Rockets
Karyn Bye, US Women’s Hockey Olympic Team
Dan Califf, San Jose Earthquakes (soccer)
Dom Capers, Houston Texans coach
Bill Cartwright, former Chicago Bulls coach
Chris DeMarco, PGA golfer
Morgan Ensberg, Houston Astros baseball (LCMS)
Darin Erstad, Los Angeles Angels
Phil Hansen, former Buffalo Bills defensive end
Elrod Hendricks, former Baltimore Orioles catcher
Tony Kubek, former NY Yankee (WELS)
Michael Jackson, former Seattle Seahawks & Washington Huskies football
Dale Jarrett, NASCAR driver
Ned Jarrett, NASCAR commentator & retired NASCAR driver
Calle Johansson, Washington Capitals (hockey)
Janet Lynn, Olympic skater
Madeline Manning Mims, former Olympic athlete, current Olympic chaplain
Scott Madson, Soloflex ads (LCMS)
Carmelo Martinez, professional baseball player
Luis Matos, Baltimore Orioles baseball player
Paul Molitor, Baseball Hall of Fame
Andy North, PGA Golfer, former US Open champion (LCMS)
Gregg Olson, retired professional baseball player
Lute Olson, University of Arizona basketball coach
Hank Peters, former general manager of the Orioles and Indians (LCMS)
Brian Propp, NHL (ELCIC)
Paul Reuschel, former Chicago Cub
Rick Reuschel, former Chicago Cub
John Scheirholz, general manager, Atlanta Braves
Jerry Seeman, head NFL referee
Richard Steele, referee
Terry Steinbach, Minnesota Twins baseball (WELS)
Gary Suter, NHL
John Vambiesbrouck, Philadelphia Flyers goalie, NHL (LCMS)
Duffy Waldorf, professional golfer
Bruce Weber, coach, University of Illinois basketball
Jim Wilson, former Chicago White Sox
Mark Wilson, PGA Tour player (ELCA)
Dave Winfield, Baseball Hall of Fame
John Zimmerman, professional skater

Television News and Sports
Troy Aikman, FOX Sports, former NFL player
Emily Akin, NBC news, Houston
John Bachman, WHO TV, Des Moines, Iowa
Dick Bremer (LCMS), Minnesota Twins TV announcer
Jack Cafferty, CNN anchor
Gretchen Carlson, FOX news (former Miss America)
Mary Hart, "Entertainment Tonight" host
Jim Henderson, radio announcer
Joel Hochmuth (WELS), former CNN reporter
Donna Kelley, CNN anchor
Verne Lundquist, CBS sports
Ann Martin, KABC-TV (L.A.), news anchor
Lisa Malosky, NBC Sports
Cliff Michaelson, WCSH TV, Portland, Maine
Mike Miller, Milwaukee TV news
Pat O’Brien, former "Access Hollywood" host, now “ The Insider” host
Dane Placko, FOX news, Chicago
Dick Reeves, CBS radio news anchor, retired
Jane Robelot, CBS news
Christine Romans, CNN anchor
Orion Samuelson, WGN TV and radio
Flip Saunders, NBA head coach, Detroit Pistons.
John Scott, NBC news (LCMS)
Susan Spencer, CBS news
Ron Steele, KWWL-TV, Waterloo, Iowa
Michelle TaFoya, CBS sports
Bill Whitney, CBS radio news
Paul Yeager, KWQC-TV news, Quad Cities

Actors/Entertainers/Musicians/Film Industry Folks
Erika Alezander, actor ("Bill Cosby Show")
Loni Anderson, actor
Brice Beckham, actor, Wooley Owens on “Mr. Belvedere”
Beverly Benda, soprano
Beau & Jeff Bridges, actors (entire Bridges family are active Lutherans)
Dana Carvey, comedian and actor
Gary Cole, actor, “Brady Bunch” films
Brandy Dejongh, actor (LCMS)
Justino Diaz, opera singer
Fred Durst, singer and actor
Kirsten Dunst, actor
Rusty Edwards, composer
Kurt Elling, jazz musician
Paul "Ace" Frehley, rock musician "KISS" (LCMS)
Janie Fricke, country music star
Michael Gesme, Conductor of Bend Oregon Symphony Orchestra
Annabeth Gish, actor, "The X Files"
Jerry Hadley, opera tenor
Don Hahn, Disney film producer
Hilary Hahn, young violinist
Patti Hansen, actor and model
David Hasselhoff, actor/producer, "Baywatch"
Marty Haugen, composer
Adolph Herseth, retired Chicago Symphony lead trumpeter
Felicity Huffman, actor “Desperate Housewives”
William Hurt, actor
Marta Casals Istomin, cellist
Craig Hella Johnson, singer, music director
Kris Kristofferson, singer/actor
Gary Lewis, musician "Gary Lewis and the Playboys"
Lyle Lovett, singer (LCMS)
William H. Macy, actor
Paul Manz, organist
Kurt Masur, former conductor, New York Philharmonic
Ron Maxwell, film producer ("Gettysburg")
Peter & Jim Mayer, Jimmy Buffet band
John Mellencamp, musician and singer (LCMS?)
Kirsten Nelson, actor, “The West Wing” & “Pysch”
Thomas Ian Nicholas, actor
Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen (attended a Lutheran day school)
Ann-Margaret (Olson), actor (LCMS)
Christopher Orr, actor, "The Mighty Ducks" movies (WELS)
Ivaan David Ortiz, film director
Ivan Gonzalo Ortiz, film producer
Michael Peterson, country music star
Frances Williams Preston, president and CEO of Broadcast Music Inc. (BMI)
James Rebhorn, actor ("The Game," "Fatal Attraction," "Seinfeld")
Andy Richter, former "Late Night with Conan O’Brien" co-host
David Rupprecht, actor, game show host (WELS)
Paul Schrader, film director and screenwriter
Elke Sommer, actor
Kevin Sorbo, actor, "Hercules" and Andromeda
David Soul, actor, "Starsky & Hutch"
Rick Steves, PBS travel host, travel author
Sally Struthers, actor - “All in the Family” and “Gillmore Girls”
Liv Ullman, actor
Stephen Werner, rock drummer
Roger Williams, pianist
Bruce Willis, actor
John Woo, film director ("Windtalkers" among many others)
John Ylvisaker, singer and composer ("Borning Cry")
Steve Zahn, actor "Sahara" and “Out of Sight” (LCMS)

Authors, Artists and Scholars
Gerald Barney, Millennium Institute, Washington, D.C.
Paul Bouman, composer
Warrin Bennis, author on leadership
Peter Berger, sociologist
Robert Bly, poet and author “Iron John”
Sandra Bowden, artist (LCMS)
Herbert Brokering, author
Rita Mae Brown, author "Bingo" and "Rubyfruit Jungle"
Jill Alexander Essbaum, poet
Jean Garton (LCMS), author of "Who Broke the Baby?"
Richard Hillert, composer
Bill Holm, poet
Edna Hong, author
Howard Hong, author
Ichabod, independent blogger
Marta Istomin, director, Pablo Casals Foundation
Cecile Johnson, watercolorist
Betina Krahn, author
Gary Larsen, cartoonist "The Far Side"
Jean LemMon, former editor, "Better Homes & Gardens"
George Lindbeck, scholar/author
Betty Mahmoody (WELS), author of "Not Without My Daughter"
Paul Maier, author (LCMS)
Janet Letnes Martin, author
Martin Marty, church historian
Cindy McTee, composer
Francisco Molina, poet
Alexandra Nechita, artist
Larry Rasmussen, Union Seminary, New York, ethicist
Jose David Rodriguez, author
Carl Schalk, composer
Peter Schieckele, composer, musician
David E. Schrader, Executive Director, American Philosophical Association, Newark, Delaware
Bob Sylwester, author, pioneer in brain-based learning (LCMS)
Walter Wangerin Jr., author/speaker
James Wind, Alban Institute
Karl A. Ylvisaker, artist (WELS)
Harriett Ziegenhais, composer

Science, Military, Business, Beauty, etc.
Linda Ahlers, Dayton Hudson, President, department store division
Bradbury Anderson, CEO, Best Buy
Gerald Barney, the Millenium Institute
Linda Bartlett, president "Lutherans for Life" (LCMS)
David Beckmann, President, Bread for the World
Mary Beth Blegen, 1996 Teacher of the Year
Norman E. Borlaug, awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal for his work in agricultural science.
Don Branderstein, astronaut
Tom Buis, President, National Farmers Union
Robert Cade, inventor of Gatorade (LMCS)
Doris Christopher, CEO, the Pampered Chef
Lt.General Roger DeKok, Air Force Space Command
William Foege, former executive director, Center for Disease Control, Atlanta
Ron Gangelhoff, Chicago Cutlery Company founder
Bryan Holderby, US Navy Chief of Chaplains (1996 – 2000)
Steve Jobs, Apple Computer co-founder (LCMS)
Michael Johns, health care executive
Rebecca O. Kendall (Gass), retired Eli Lily VP & general counsel
James M. Kilts, CEO, Gillette
Grant Krafft, scientist (Alzheimer’s research)
Ed Kruse, CEO, Blue Bell Creameries, Inc.
Victor Langford, US Army General & chaplain
Judith Larson, scientist
Mark Lee, former astronaut
John Moellering, US Army General, former West Point commandant (LCMS)
Don Muchow (LCMS), former Navy chief of chaplains (1992 – 1996)
George "Pinky" Nelson, former astronaut
Marilyn Carlson Nelson, CEO, Carlson Companies
Paul Olson, President, National Farmers Organization
Ardath Rodale, CEO Rodale Press
Carolyn Sapp, former Miss America
Alfred Schwan, CEO, Schwan Foods (WELS)
Norman Schwarzkopf, US Army General
Bob Stallman, President, American Farm Bureau Federation
Diane (Baum) Thormodsgard, President of Corporate Trust Div. at U.S. Bank
Ross Trower, former Navy chaplain chief
General John Vessey, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (LCMS)
Jeff Williams, astronaut

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Joe Abrahamson has left a new comment on your post "Famous Lutherans":

Greg,
Too funny if the reference
"Ichabod, independent blogger"
means you!!! And without the parenthetical qualification of membership, the ELCA is claiming you as their own!!

Of all the stupid ironies.

I guess that shows us how reliable the rest of the list probably is.

My name isn't on the list. So, I know two things. 1) I'm not a famous Lutheran, and 2) The ELCA doesn't consider me a member. Well, yet, I suppose. I'll try to avoid both.

Wishing you the best,
Joe A.

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GJ - Joe, I have to admit scratching my name in the wet cement. I could not resist. I wondered if anyone would notice. Diablo saw it right away. So did AnonyMouse, squeaking away as expected, from the dives and cheap bars of Appleton, Wisconsin, drunk capital of America.

Response to WELS Hazing Abuse

Response to Secret Hazing Ritual at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary

Hi Pastor:

You hit the "WELS Hazing & Bullying" expose out of the park.  Spot on.  I still remember the "Fuchs Code" all these years later from Martin Luther Academy:

"I a poor, humble freshman of the lowest form of mass, beg pardon of this man of the noble Junior (or X) class.  I bow to thee in honour, and beg thy pardon please, that thou my noble conqueror shall ever be my liege.  I carry this shoe-rag to do thine every wish, that I shall never lag to make this shoe-rag swish."

This rendering, or something very close to it, had to be cited on demand or the victim would have to do some task, like shining shoes or carrying books.  Glad to see this pagan ritual was eliminated but it was a cult-like control mechanism. [GJ - The New Ulm prep was eliminated and replaced with an area high school. The current state of abuse will not be known until they heatedly deny it.

After recently running into a thug-like, ungodly synod leader, I renounced all ties to WELS and will never again step into one of their churches.  I warn others of WELS abuses--Scriptural, mental, emotional & physical--that goes on in its temples and watering holes.

May God bless you.

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Martin Luther College - WELS - is a transforming, or rather, a transgendering experience.

Graduation Day, six months into the change.

 And now...

Luther Died at the Age of 63

 This Luther graphic was designed by Norma Boeckler.

Luther lived 63 years, a long life for his era, dying in 1546.

Melanchthon was younger, and also lived 63 years, dying in 1560.

Martin Chemnitz was born after the Reformation started, and he united the warring factions of Lutherdom, dying in 1586, dying at the age of 64. Taught by Luther and Melanchthon, he unitd the warring factions among the Lutherans. Few people realize how all his previous work led to his masterful work in fashioning the Book of Concord and writing the Formula of Concord, both published in 1580. He worked with a team of genius theologians, including Selnecker, whom he converted from the wobbly Lutheranism popular at the time.

Living past the age of 63 is a gift from God, which is clear when looking over the memorial list of my highschool in Moline. My best friend from Yale died young from cancer. Several friends were born with weak hearts and died very young. One wasted his health and talents on alcohol and drugs.

I decided, upon reaching the magical age of 63, that I would get as much writng done as possible for whatever years might be left. Fortunately, I am blest with good health, inherited from my ancestors and not merited by any virtues on my part.

Two groups of people have done wonders for my understanding of Biblical theology.

1. Opponents of Christianity.
2. Faithful laity.

Opponents of Christianity
The opponents of Christianity are a sorry lot - obnoxious in behavior and greedy for gain. The obvious apostates turn the miracles of Christ into hilarious parodies and the divinity of Christ into the "Easter faith of the disciples," descending into Fundamentalism only when it comes to tithing.

Unfortunately, the open apostates control old, established denominations and their failing gay seminaries. Around 1981 I met the Philadelphia LCA seminary professor who published the traditional, heterosexual view of marriage in The Lutheran (LCA) magazine, and I knew the previous two editors of that publication.

The ELCA got rid of professors like him, and replaced them with the hair-on-fire radicals who promptly turned the schools into wastelands while soaking up enormous salaries for doing no more than posturing. Even in the old days, LCA professors did some great work for Lutheran doctrine, such as Tappert and his edition of the Book of Concord, which did not have to be recalled and pulped, unlike Paul McCain's misbegotten effort.

The founders of the previous ELCA denominations - Lenski, Jacobs, Krauth, Schmauk, Passavant - are good examples and good reading for those who might imagine the obvious apostates are true to their heritage. Someone has to remember these forgotten giants, so I mention them often.

Worst Apostates - NIV and ESV Salesmen
The worst apostates are far more subtle, sneaking out to conferences with ELCA, calling themselves "conservatives" and "confessional" and even "orthodox." But they do everything together to eliminate Lutheran doctrine from WELS-ELS-LCMS and the micro-minis. These spineless, lazy, and overfed apostates are far more dangerous than the obvious ones, because they borrow the faith words of Christianity to destroy the Faith, while gloating and rewarding one another for their efforts.

WELS-ELS-LCMS are quickly replacing the KJV with the surfer-dude paraphrase called the New NIV. Some replace the KJV with the Calvinist edition of the RSV - the ESV.  These two factions do not acknowledge the KJV, based upon Luther, or any of its updates, which vary somewhat in doctrinal precision but at least share in a common heritage and honor for the Word of God.

The NIV and ESV are money machines for the owners. The RSV is owned by the National Council of (Communist) Churches, so I wonder how much ESV money goes to the red faction of the mainlines.

Church Growth, Pietism, and Universal Objective Justification
The most dangerous apostates despise the KJV family of Bibles, and share a common love of these three toxic influences:

1. Church Growth marketing.
2. Pietism and the congregation defined by cell groups.
3. UOJ's rationalism and Pietism.

Church Growth has already been defined by C. Peter Wagner as a failure, but it was useful in introducing apostasy into the Christian Church. It only took one generation of drunken, stupid denominational leaders to make Church Growth habits habitual.

The genius of the Church Growth apostates is revealed in their simplistic tactics. They start with the cell groups of Pietism. That is the real church, they say. The Means of Grace at church worship services - they are nothing except a gathering place for the cell groups. Unlike my apathetic peers, I attended some of these CG beehives, and they all share common, nauseating characteristics. One was all the self-talk, completely supplanting any talk of God. Another was the rationalism that grows from Pietism - this works, so this is good. The Scriptures are set aside, except for sentimental slogans.

UOJ has been the best motivation to study Luther's doctrine and the Book of Concord. How could anyone turn Justification by Faith into Justification without Faith? That was like tracing the wiry roots of Bermuda grass and pulling them out, only to find those tenacious roots ripping up the soil and leaving remnants for a new generation of weeds.

Faithful Laity
A few - very few pastors - have been encouraging. The more they contacted me to verbally abuse me, the more I saw how addicted they were to synod control, like baby scorpions hanging onto the tail of mama scorpion.

 Holy Mother Synod will take care of her babies
and give them a free ride.

Faithful laity do not need the approval of any synod. They read Luther and the Bible, so the complex truth-twisting of UOJ, Church Growth, and Pietism are unknown to them. They want to learn more and obtain books that teach them to discern the spirits.

Plants Are Closing All Over Springdale, Arkansas. Time To Dream about Spring's New Creations

The color has left the Crepe Myrtle bush as the
flowers turn to seed to complete their work.

The Crepe Myrtle bush looked like pink fireworks all summer, but now in October, the flowers are completing their work, going to seed. Fall is arriving and all the plants are closing their reproductive cycle, going to seed, going to sleep.

Thousands of spherical seeds will remain on the bush most of the winter to feed birds, and Cardinals love them. That is why two Cardinals set up their love-nest, hidden away, in the plant. I discovered that by sitting on the porch motionless to watch the garden. I saw the male, and soon after the female, emerge from the Crepe Myrtle, so I walked over to find a nest - and there it was.

Cardinals were the first to visit the feeders after I moved the hanging one over to accommodate  our viewing. Mrs. Ichabod said, "There is the female Cardinal!" - pointing. Mrs. Cardinal saw the motion in the room and flitted away.

Those who made growing roses an onerous task, awash in toxins, missed this fact of flowers turning to seed and the plant becoming dormant. The old rose books had gardeners trimming canes lest "they be whipped around by the winter winds and damaged." But pruning rose canes just before winter is a fine way to promote new growth that will freeze in the predestined frosts. Instead, the flowers should be allowed to turn into rose hips (seed pods) for the winter, the rose dozing off for a few months of rest.

I have a little more time to harvest roses, and I already found a brilliant orange rose hip from a flower that was never removed by pruning.

I visited a spectacular corner garden recently set up by a neighbor a few blocks away. I looked at all the seeds developed by the flowers that grew there. The dried up seed-heads were gone, and new autumn plants were sitting there to lend color to the yard. If I had that kind of ambition, I would gather the dried stalks and their copious seeds and pile them in the back yard as a spare birdfeeder.

Four areas are enjoying a layer of cardboard over the soil, to let the soil creatures convert grass and weeds into compost. Those gardens have six months to get this work done. If the soil creatures grow cold and sluggish - and even freeze - they will have locked up nutrition and water for the spring growing season. Their descendants will take over and enjoy explosive growth in the warm, rain-soaked Spring.

Vines are shriveling and dropping seeds (Morning Glory, Honeysuckle) or building a tough root system to promote Hummingbird attracting flowers (Trumpet Vine), or merely trying to take over the world (English Ivy).

Our neighbor wants a bunch of Morning Glory vine to lay down on her fence, seeds for a new season. Buying the seeds is expensive, but if we pretend we do not care, the vines will spring up and display their flowers each morning. Mr. Gardener and I enjoy the vines on our shared fence, and they make a great backdrop for the roses in bloom.

Gardening can make the most impatient ready to wait for Creator's schedule. Vines quickly change their growth patterns from "Don't stop" to "Don't! Stop!!!!" Now my eye is on the English Ivy as it creeps into the rose garden. We actually cut all the vines off the porch floor and all the ambitious tendrils from the edge of the roses. They will return for more sun, more water, and more soil to conquer.

I hoped for instant Trumpet Vine, but I learned they take as long as Asparagus to produce well. My strongest vine of the three bloomed with a huge orange flower on the neighbor's side (Mrs. Wright's fence). All three should be productive and seductive for Hummingbirds next spring.

Entire denominations have been swindled by marketing people from Fuller Seminary, who took the view of the chemical gardeners. "Boost the soil with factory chemicals and you will get instant growth!" This siren song lured all the denominations - even the Church of Rome - to founder on the rocks of marketing gimmicks:

1. Drop the liturgy.
2. End the Creeds.
3. Eliminate the hymns.
4. Yank out the pipe organ.
5. Turn sermons into life-coaching talks.
6. Install a praise band.
7. Harvest thousands of members and millions of dollars in the instantaneous aftermath.

Their newly minted experts, converted from the Gospel to selling to the masses, mocked everything good about the past and replaced those "hideous hidebound traditions" with their shabby snake-oil cures. They took their 10 horsepower rototillers through the seedbeds, doused them with herbicides and insecticides, and wondered why their glorious new buildings emptied out faster than a circus tent on fire.

In a congregation, the pastor and members might see unquestionable results after 20 years, or maybe not until a new generation or two. I have lost track of the years. Now people are writing me about services online and (ELDONA and LCMS) and asking about good Lutheran books (adult children of Boomers). The Baby Boomers were either passive about Church Growth or actively supported it. Decades ago, I only found support in people twice my age - now in men half or 1/3 my age.

I remember one member of St. Paul, German Village (now WELS) suggesting she would give them $100,000 to avoid Church Growth altogether. Since then, the congregation has turned into a prune parish after being a plum parish for many years.

Creation shows us that vast forces work slowly to accomplish God's will, even in reclaiming ground laid waste by foolish, faddish methods. Our yard used to be a grape vineyard, and now illustrates the Parable of the True Vine. For a long time the renters let the field weeds grow as they neglected the yard. Mr. Gardener got a place developed for flowers and vegetables for one resident, and the children tore it up immediately. 

The longer one gardens, the more he can see that understanding Creation is far more important than listening to the experts. I am awaiting the publication of Teaming with Fungi, a concept that verified what I suspected about organic gardening. 

God already designed a system to feed and protect every plant, because all plants have a fungus living within. Besides that, fungi send out their strands to gather nutrition and water demanded by the root hairs of plants and trees. To motivate the fungi, the root hairs offer carbon credits. These clever root hairs know what the plant needs and supply the carbon the fungi must have to grow. 

 Finally, a kind word about fungus.

New NIV Disaster Predicted in 2011 - No Leadership in WELS

WELS church lady has left a new comment on your post "From the Inside - About the WELS NNIV":

The NNIV is all about apostasy. We as a synod are fools to let the leadership sell us out. Say "NO" to the NNIV. It is time to start a petition. Check out Facebook! WELS pastors and laity have been voicing their displeasure with this masonic bible. Do not let Forward In Christ-A Lutheran Voice articles deceive you. It is high-time that I begin emailing my Ichabodian and Intrepid friends again. I will be glad to help, but the men are going to have to see this to the finish line.

In Christ,

from WELS church lady

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Zorro wrote:

Another sales pitch forthcoming. So is Nass in regards to the NIV debacle. It is about the money.  WELS is going to pay dearly right through the nose.  It will repeat itself in another 15+ years.  I reviewed a portion of  new NPH Sunday School course.  This series are going to be terribly expensive. Small congregations will have to spend a ton of money, yet again. The current series isn't that old--15 years, maybe.  The reason for this new series is, I suspect, generated by copyright issues from current NIV translation, which will be defunct when the new version replaces it.  

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GJ - I got a hint that the NIV axe would be spared in some cases - not that I care. WELS likes to dig deeper holes. Pastoral leadership in WELS goes like this, "You over there. You tell them for me."

The WELS Church Lady could give lessons in manning-up, but that would violate WELS directives.

Jokesters call the New NIV the Ninevah Translation.
Watch for constant changes toward feminism, UOJ,
and other isms.

Team Jeske is always inflicted on the poor, innocent, inebriated
souls of Martin Luher College - "Evangelism" Day there
is always Church and Change Day.
One thing never changes, his tired shopworn
harrange about "running out of Germans."