Issues Etc Needs $300K a Year To Help Teach Universalism?

Norman Teigen (left) and Rolf Preus

This episode of Issues Etc (audio linked) asked for $300,000 from congregations to continue their world-wide ministry. Holy moly, I am blogging for free and they are soliciting a small fortune to support the doctrinal foundation of ELCA and the Church Growth Movement.

Pastor Rolf Preus and Pope John the Malefactor (Little Sect on the Prairie) agreed about everyone forgiven without faith, without the Means of Grace, but Pope John kicked out Rolf anyway, by threatening Rolf's congregation.

Rolf has been stuck on Universal Objective Justification for a long time. In this interview, Todd Wilken scattered rose petals before this ambiguous and misleading presentatation of false doctrine.

Rolf danced around the central tenet of UOJ, which is found in the Brief Confession of the LCMS - that God has declared the entire world free of sin. Although Rolf kept insisting that message is found in the New Testament, he did not identify a single verse where God said, in effect, "I don't care if you have never heard the Gospel or never believed the Gospel, you are all forgiven anyway. Faith in My Promises is irrelevant."

Someone who separates grace from the Means of Grace is an Enthusiast.

In a startling display of doctrinal ineptitude, Wilken and Preus tried to associate Calvin's limited Atonement opinion (Christ dying only for the elect) with justification by faith.

Neither pastor conceded that Lenski wrote consistently against their UOJ opinion, that Rolf's dad repudiated UOJ in his final book, Justification and Rome.

UOJ is from Pietism, from Reformed doctrine. Clearly, Walther borrowed UOJ from his Pietistic circle. Double justification was in print in America before Walther landed in Perry County. Norwegian Pietism was quite comfortable with this new, oddball twist on justification.

The dishonesty of this conversation shows a studied indifference to scholarship. Unfortunately, graduates of The Surrendered Fort are full of themselves, because the faculty teaches them that they are the greatest. (Ditto - Our Lady of Sorrows, St. Louis; The Sausage Factory, Mequon; The Little Schoolhouse on the Prairie, Mankato; and The Beehive, Eau Claire). Wilken and Preus imagine there are two sides to the issue: UOJ and Calvinism.

A Lutheran layman recently made this point, and a Jew in my class said almost the same thing - there is no scholarship among Protestants today.

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rlschultz has left a new comment on your post "Issues Etc Needs $300K a Year To Help Teach Univer...":

Many years ago, I had objective justification explained to me this way by a vicar from the Sausage Factory, "we are all saved, but unbelievers forfeit their salvation". Make sense to those who accept UOJ, I guess.

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GJ - I removed the Issues, Etc. icon from the blog. Wilken's poor grasp of Christian doctrine is additional evidence of the state of Lutheran apostasy.

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L P has left a new comment on your post "Issues Etc Needs $300K a Year To Help Teach Univer...":

This is the reason I am not able anymore to be a supporter though they were instrumental in my becoming Lutheran. I used to send support and listen, now I just listen.

This has made me sad. Because as I listened, they are talking about 2 justifications, one without faith, the other through faith. This is logically inconsistent. Either you are justified without faith or justified through it.

They get into this conundrum because they collapse Atonement with Justification.

Calvinists collapse the two also but arrive at another conclusion.

Amazing, these Lutherans are doing the same - collapsing Atonement with Justification.

LPC

The CORE's Real Message

DK's Inner Speech Writer

Luther identified Enthusiasts as Schwaermer, because they were always buzzing around someone's head.

DK's inner speech writer has left a new comment on your post "Church and Changer Offers More Deep, Deep, Deep, D...":

Press Release:
My fellow Confessional Lutherans,

We must not rest in our War on Error until the threat of Enthusiast Insurgence has been quelled. We know full well that those who would do harm to pure doctrine work tirelessly, and so I must ask my fellow Confessional Lutherans to meet adversity head on, sticking to the principles that have made our Church great. Even now, covert Errorist training camps in the Milwaukee region are recruiting an army of rictus-afflicted socialites, confused but well-intended college students, and those who have rejected the teachings of their youth in favor of glam-sham-flim-flam Christianity.
The time has come for all Confessional Lutherans to study the Bible and the Confessions. Arm yourselves with Truth, preparing an answer for the hope that you have--not in the machinations of human Christians, but a hope that rests purely on the efficacious work of the Holy Spirit through Word and Sacrament. Reject and fight the notion that human-born ideas and methods can make the Holy Spirit more efficient in Evangelical ventures!

With this knowledge you will then be prepared to approach your fellow laymen and pastors, encouraging those who have remained true, and gently correcting those who have turned an ear to the slippery lies of the Errorist factions. Discernment and action are necessary in these dark times, especially when considering the future generations of Confessional Christians. Above all, most importantly, PRAY for your fellow Christians and PRAY for the Errorist cells that so threaten our fair church.

We will prevail with God's direction and help.
God bless the Confession Lutherans of America!

More Anonymous Spiritual Wisdom--Cloaking False Accusations, As Usual

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Brief Autobiography":

So sad Pastor Jackson. Your postings indicate that you are bitter. This is just plain sour grapes. Do you put as much time in at (sic) church as you do maintaining this blog? You are on the edge... Thou shalt not bear false witness..

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GJ - The accusatory posts make me chuckle, but I post them so the readers can see how nasty and cowardly the Church Shrinkers are. I am still waiting for them to give their names, addresses, and email addresses. I hear from confessional Lutherans all the time. They phone, write, and send me emails. I have not met most of them face to face, but I know them from their many personal emails.

The apostates have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to silence Lutheran orthodoxy. I wish they knew a few more logical fallacies than the ad hominem and the straw man.

Have the readers noticed that the Shrinkers have no defense, no positive witness? Their method is to brag about themselves and attack anyone who doubts their glory.

Paul Tiefel in the CLC (sic) used to quote Pieper to the effect that false teachers are Christians too. Just as charming as his cousin James Tiefel, Paul constantly justified his Xeroxing of the Reformed and Roman Catholics. He also loved the cryto-Calvinists and Unionists in WELS. If people dared to question any WELS Shrinker, Tiefel and his buddy David Koenig jumped on them like hobos on a hotdog.

There is a great divide across the Lutheran landscape. Most of the synodical leadership is Reformed and lying about it. The synodical leaders are protecting and promoting the false teachers - and deceiving everyone about it. All the seminaries teach Reformed doctrine and practice.

Great Idea

Moi?

dk, in a moment of genius has left a new comment on your post "Time of Enthusiasm":

This comment is to every anonymous poster who is a C&C Enthusiast. We confessional Lutherans are fine to let you remain anonymous if only you leave the WELS and join Elmbrook. If you choose to stay in the WELS and continue in errorist teaching then I must request that you give up anonimity so that we can warn our children about you.

Church and Changer Offers More Deep, Deep, Deep, Deep Insights for Bored-Again Lutherans

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Time of Enthusiasm":

The only thing that is piling up is the crap that this blog dishes out. GJ, SJ, DOW, BM, and the rest can't stand the fact that Time of Grace, The CORE, St. Marcus, Parlow, Church and Change, etc., are actually making a difference and are reaching people with the Gospel.

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GJ - Collecting bored-again Lutherans for a rock service is not my idea of evangelism. As someone noted, the CORE makes the ELCA churches in Fox Valley look confessional.

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Interview prep to find the Suffragen Bishop of the Popcorn Cathedral of Rock:

1. What's your favorite baseball team? Give three reasons why.
2. What's your favorite baseball star's lifetime batting average?
3. What is the best rock station in America? Explain.
4. What are the Four Noble Truths of Buddha?
5. How many books by Drucker do you own?
6. Name the most influential emerging churches in America.
7. How can we make the Word effective?
8. Is popcorn better with coconut oil, canola oil, or peanut oil? Explain.
9. Beer and popcorn. Good combo or not?

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Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "Church and Changer Offers More Deep, Deep, Deep, D...":

GJ,

Don't look now but your WELS training is showing. This is obvious when a one paragraph statement is met with a response that is four times longer and has nothing to do with the original paragraph.

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GJ - I was just demonstrating how to copy and paste honestly, legitimately. Of course, you can start your own blog and demonostrate the proper way to do this sort of thing. I am sure everyone in Pewaukee will read it.

Drew Lomax Quoting Ichabod Citing Herescope

Drew Lomax

Drew Lomax has a blog on Lutheran doctrine. He quoted a recent Ichabod copy and paste from Herescope, which was found by a reader.

Naturally, I am waiting for a Church and Changer, three sheets to the wind, posting an angry comment, asking "Why can you copy and paste?"

The short answer is, "We give credit where credit is due."

Secondly, "We copy good material. You copy garbage."