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ICHABOD, THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED - explores the Age of Apostasy, predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, to attack Objective Faithless Justification, Church Growth Clowns, and their ringmasters. The antidote to these poisons is trusting the efficacious Word in the Means of Grace. John 16:8. Isaiah 55:8ff. Romans 10. Most readers are WELS, LCMS, ELS, or ELCA. This blog also covers the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Left-wing, National Council of Churches denominations.
Thursday, April 10, 2014
Noah - The Righteousness of Faith
Brett Meyer and I are looking for Biblical or Confessional examples of the righteousness of unfaith.
Send your contributions in to:
bethanylutheranworship@gmail.com
Halle University's George Mueller Bares His Fangs at the Mention of Justification by Faith.
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Brett Meyer (Brett_meyer) Intermediate Member Username: Brett_meyer Post Number: 202 Registered: 1-2008 |
I appreciate your consideration and discussion Mr. Gorman. Rev. Boisclair states, "I cannot believe that ELDoNA would look kindly on the extreme views of Brett Meyer and Gregory Jackson, whose doctrine goes beyond the ELDoNA theses to the point of even denying the biblical doctrine of universal reconciliation and forgiveness." I thought we cleared that up for you in my comment dated Sunday, March 23, 2014 - 12:52 pm. Your response was, "Brett, well I guess that ELDoNA's doctrine is even worse than I thought!" Rev. Boisclair, discussions like this one are excellent means of instructing readers as to the teachings of the doctrine of UOJ. When I post direct quotes from the Christian Book of Concord that reject the teachings of UOJ I am challenged by each of you indicating that I am misinterpreting the Confessions. Where is the difinitive BOC style document for your chief article of your religion that everyone can read to learn what UOJ teaches and what it rejects? You claim that without OJ there is no Gospel. Then where is the Confessional document concerning this "heart"? I will even allow a step back from the BOC and ask where is Martin Luther's published book on the "heart of the Gospel" - UOJ? In Christ, Brett Meyer | ||
     George Mueller (Mueller) Senior Member Username: Mueller Post Number: 1369 Registered: 11-2012 |
Brett, your questions are dishonest and insincere. I showed you how AC IV taught objective justification shortly after you came onto this website spewing out your propaganda. I showed you a couple of times, in fact. I pointed out how the text of AC IV teaches that the object of justifying faith is the gospel that says "that they are received into favor and that their sins are forgiven on account of Christ, who by his death made satisfaction for our sins." Throughout this long conversation you have denied that anyone's sins are forgiven on account of Christ, who by his death made satisfaction for them until he believes. You have argued that sins are not forgiven until one believes. The Augsburg Confession says that one is to believe that his sins are forgiven for Christ's sake, who by his death made satisfaction for them. You've denied it and denied it and denied it. You reject the clear teaching of the Book of Concord. When we Lutherans define justifying faith as believing that one's sins are forgiven for Christ's sake, who by his death has made satisfaction for them, you deny this object of faith in unbelief, arguing that nobody's sins are forgiven until he believes, thus taking away from faith its foundation in the gospel. You promote your poisonous error as Jackson, Stefanski, and other cowardly errorists look on, none of them having the courage to step into this forum to debate. They will only debate when they control the forum of the debate. Typical of sectarian errorists! Brett, you are brainwashed. You don't argue. You just repeat canned arguments without in any way responding to the arguments posed against you. But I respond to you in order to answer the false teachers like Jackson, Rydecki, Stefanski, and Heiser. We who have shown you to be wrong on this forum have shown them to be wrong as well. So, while they won't come here to debate, we've refuted them by refuting you. I have shown you from the Augsburg Confession that you reject the Lutheran doctrine. What does justifying faith believe according to AC IV? You deny it, and so do Rydecki, Jackson, Heiser, Stefanski, and all the other sacerdotalists who lurk on this website but lack the courage to engage in an honest debate. | ||
| Daniel Gorman (Heinrich) Senior Member Username: Heinrich Post Number: 2198 Registered: 11-2004 |
Dave Schumacher: "If a person denies the central article yet, is not excommunicated by the Christian congregation, he goes to Heaven?" "Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly." Athanasian Creed Hypocrites and wicked men who have not been consigned to hell by a Christian congregation are mingled with the Church. "For we grant that in this life hypocrites and wicked men have been mingled with the Church, and that they are members of the Church according to the outward fellowship of the signs of the Church, i.e., of Word, profession, and Sacraments, especially if they have not been excommunicated." Ap, Of the Church | ||
| Joe Krohn (Jekster) Intermediate Member Username: Jekster Post Number: 239 Registered: 4-2011 |
Brett, you have not answered my question. Do you forgive those who sin against you regardless of whether or not they formally repent to you? | ||
| Brett Meyer (Brett_meyer) Intermediate Member Username: Brett_meyer Post Number: 203 Registered: 1-2008 |
George, your interpretation of the BOC passages goes against the clear Scriptural and BOC teaching that Christ is only apprehended as Mediator and Propitiation through the gracious gift of faith (Christ's righteousness) alone. Without Christ to Mediate and Propitiate God's wrath over man's sin God does not, in any way, view the unbelieving world as being forgiven or righteous - much less making a divine declaration of the same. You talk about this forum as though it was the hub of all religious discussion - it isn't. You state, "They will only debate when they control the forum of the debate. Typical of sectarian errorists!" How many times have you, George Mueller, commented on Pastor Jackson's blog? You need to read the conversation over again, and the one from November 2013 and the one from 2008 to show that I respond to 98% of all questions posed to me on LutherQuest. In Christ, Brett Meyer | ||
| Joe Krohn (Jester) Intermediate Member Username: Jekster Post Number: 240 Registered: 4-2011 |
I guess my question is in the 2%. Pity. I thought it was legit... | ||
| R.D. (Ryan11676) Intermediate Member Username: Ryan11676 Post Number: 408 Registered: 2-2006 |
" How many times have you, George Mueller, commented on Pastor Jackson's blog? " I know you're not asking me. I personally would not comment on Greg Jackson's blog because I just don't want to look at bad photoshop pictures, even if they're funny sometimes. I mean really, how many pictures of Paul McCain in a mitre do you need? [GJ - We also have lactation and pants on fire graphics, depending on the occasion.] |
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GJ - George Mueller sounds exactly like Rolf Preus, who seems strangely absent from LQ since he rejoined the LCMS - after leaving the LCMS, the Little Sect, and the Rolf Synod. Verbal abuse is no substitute for good argumentation. All he has to offer is a series of accusations accompanied by unwarranted claims.
That reminds me of a famous example from the practice of law. "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither one on your side, pound the table."
George-Rolf is a table-pounder.
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